On the topic of SSL's and OOC antagonizing.

[Jakers457]

Alright, I know I'm just a forum mod and I try to be objective these days for the sake of observation and keeping some sort of order?

But I want to bring up a topic that needs to be dealt with, and I feel like reaching my hand out for the individuals responsible to be reasonable, you know, just maybe?

The topic is the general harassment and negativity towards players who have characters that show the slightest homosexual inclination (mainly female characters, because gay females are worse than gay males apparently.) You might, in your little mind, find it to be lighthearted humor or dank jokes bro but I personally believe shitting on another player or their character because of a creative choice you dislike is completely unacceptable.

Why should a player immediately experience heckling as soon as they choose a character who is perhaps homosexual or of a certain social class? Why should one character suddenly become suicidal because they're a fucking lesbian? It's somewhat off putting for a handful of players, some which hardly play on this server anymore because they have to deal with nonconstructive comments that leave little for credibility or basic decency. If you don't like a character, get over it, because it isn't your's and refrain from making comments like a petty child.

I have the idealistic idea that we shouldn't disregard a characters credibility because of their sexuality? I mean, I can't believe I'm having to defend the sexuality of pretend characters because people think they're fucking hilarious.

TL;DR Stop making remarks in OOC and deadchat about someone's character.

Edited July 26, 2015 by Guest

[Dreamix]

I think you don't really understand the difference between 'suicidal space lesbian' and usual homosexual female/male. The second one, you wouldn't really distinguish from the crowd. But the first one is a lesbay nurse that only talks to other females, or that medical doctor that creates drama and kills herself after being rejected, or these female characters that are super secretly whispering, giggling, smiling and kissing in a dark corridor. "Nurse-senpai, hug me" "Snowflake-senpai, let's live together" "Senpai-sama, I love you. Uguu~" Or whatever. It's just ridiculous/amusing to watch that while ghosting.

I don't really know how to express what I think, as english is not my first language.Please, don't hurt me.

[Difret]

This pretty much comes across as;

"Someone said something about a character and I took it personally. If you don't do as I say I'll tell mods. If you don't agree with this, go fuck yourself."

Bad meme, 0/10. Don't force your opinions onto other people. If people are prejudiced against a certain kind of character, that's roleplay. Deal with it.

[Dreamix]

This pretty much comes across as;

"Someone said something about a character and I took it personally. If you don't do as I say I'll tell mods. If you don't agree with this, go fuck yourself."

Bad meme, 0/10. Don't force your opinions onto other people. If people are prejudiced against a certain kind of character, that's roleplay. Deal with it.

...Did you even read Jakers's post? It was about OOC remark, not IC racism/prejudice. And, that was not about "fucking yourself", but trying to talk about the issue and actually change something, and not just "dealing with it" and "bad memes"? Also, Jakers is a server moderator.

[rrrrrr]

Also, Jakers is a server moderator.

Does this mean anything, though?

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

People are salty and anonymity makes people assholes. Making threads and having discussions on this highlights the issue but it won't solve it. If you see harassment or prejudice in OOC, ahelp it with a brief remark on what is being said and why you feel it's breaking the "dont be a dick" rule.

[Dreamix]

Yes.

"Someone said something about a character and I took it personally. If you don't do as I say I'll tell mods. If you don't agree with this, go fuck yourself."

Jakers is indeed a server (forum, my bad) moderator.

EDIT: Also:

People are salty and anonymity makes people assholes. Making threads and having discussions on this highlights the issue but it won't solve it. If you see harassment or prejudice in OOC, ahelp it with a brief remark on what is being said and why you feel it's breaking the "dont be a dick" rule.

Basically: "Don't do anything, people won't change anyways, we don't need more of these threads. Oh, ahelp, because joking about others characters is soooo bad, and they all will be banned and things."

Can we stop with that "people won't change, don't bother", please?

EDIT2: (I don't want to up my post counter that much.)

SSL's are in-your-face about being homosexual, they stir drama and generally make the round back by killing themselves, assaulting people, or refusing to help certain people (Seen it happen three times).

All my yes, +1's and agree's. I have even seen a 'lesbay' character join as CMO, see that aren't any other 'kawaii lesbays' on station, cryo, and ghost around until the next round.

Edited July 25, 2015 by Guest

[canon35]

SSL's are in-your-face about being homosexual, they stir drama and generally make the round back by killing themselves, assaulting people, or refusing to help certain people (Seen it happen three times).

Normal homosexual people that I see aren't in your face, sometimes makes a few jokes, and if they got a SO on the station, they won't usually drop everything just to talk to them.

[Guest]

Jakers is most definitely not a server moderator, he is a forum moderator only (like me), to my knowledge at least. But I agree completely with this. If someone wants to make a character that is lesbian, and does not wish to interact with male characters unless necessary, SO WHAT? I've never once seen a Medical Lesbian be suicidal, so I'm not sure where that even comes from, originally this joke was harmless as medbay was called Lesbay, but now its come to people outright discriminating against players and characters that they deem as 'Suicidal Space Lesbians' . And @Dreamix, that kind of stuff really does not happen.

I have played here for a year this coming August, and I do not believe I have ever ONCE, not ONCE seen an SSL. I have never seen a non-greytide medical staff member kill themselves, I have never seen medical staff refuse to treat someone unless that person directly interacted with them negatively during the round, and I have never ever, inquired enough into other characters personal lives enough to know they are both mentally suicidal and lesbian.

[Jakers457]

It's not my personal experience either, I'm currently speaking on behalf of other people who've told me that it's causing them to actually avoid the server for the most part. This I don't agree with, I don't think we should have people avoiding the server because a couple of us can't keep our teeth shut and get on with their own shit.

And it will change, I'm merely highlighting the issue but that's only to state I'm aiming to stomp out this issue. There's joking around and banter, then there is being outright toxic for the sake of sating your own ego.

[Difret]

We already have a lot of people avoiding the server because a couple of us can't keep our teeth shut and get on with their own shit, AKA the people who didn't like another's style of roleplay and forced them out of the community through hostility. If you want to compare space lesbians to that, then be my guest and ban those guilty of outright toxicity who forced people out of the community.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I wasn't saying to stop making these threads or to stop having a discussion. But we have these every other week and every forum debate just fosters the kind of OOC attitude that this very thread is now complaining about. It's a ferris wheel of controversy; predictable and with different things rising to the top. The only thing unique about this particular thread is that it happened later than I thought it would have, and I was for sure convinced the next forum debate would be about sec again.

Swinging back to the point of the topic.

You can have an opinion in OOC. But you can't be an asshole in OOC. If I have the opinion that you're literal human trash and should be curbstomped by the Teletubbies, it would violate the server rule for me to proclaim this in OOC. (I don't think this you're cool)

This isn't a freedom rally in the US; your freedom of speech is not unlimited or exempt you from the rules. There are rules in place to prevent bad OOC behaviour. The most effective means of combatting this behaviour is through ahelps. What, genuinely, are we supposed to do with this thread? Change our own behaviour? The people who agree with you already agree with you, but unless they're server administration or moderation it won't change the bulk of the issue, unless we implement a custom vote to mute people from OOC.

The IC conduct itself is something that you can make an incident report over, or character complaint. OOC lynchings violate the "Don't be a dick" rule. Bad IC roleplay (Suicide without a very good reason) or obsession with a relationship that trumps their professional job are, again, things that you can solve through:

1) Command reprimand of the character.

2) Ahelp.

3) Duty Officer incident report.

4) Taking the initiative and spacing them.

[Jakers457]

The entirety of it seems to be OOC and though yes ahelping it is effective. It is also good to bring the issue out in the open and to tell the community that is a problem and that is it to stop. I feel only by making this issue apparent and that it is a concern to even a hand full of people will put it on the staff's radar. That's one of the reasons why I felt it necessary to give my stance on it.

[Guest]

There are PLENTY of reasons besides someone who is bitching in OOC and deadchat that make this server unappealing to join into.

There are a MULTITUDE of reasons why this server is extremely unappealing to join into.

Also, the OP is a classic case of, "I don't like thing, but I'm going to escalate it to even worse proportions and threaten to have you banned for being a dissenting party."

Is this seriously how staff are going to compose themselves?

EDIT: OH GOD. That's great. A fellow forum moderator edited the post of the OP to 'avoid flammatory remarks'. You mean, edited the post of the OP to avoid the OP for catching flak as an individual? Blue Code, Blue Code!

Were those dicks actually right?

Edited July 26, 2015 by Guest

[Difret]

There are PLENTY of reasons besides someone who is bitching in OOC and deadchat that make this server unappealing to join into.

There are a MULTITUDE of reasons why this server is extremely unappealing to join into.

Also, the OP is a classic case of, "I don't like thing, but I'm going to escalate it to even worse proportions and threaten to have you banned for being a dissenting party."

Is this seriously how staff are going to compose themselves?

 

God damn son, lay down the law

[Gamegod12]

Right seeing as how my ORIGINAL POST was removed, I'll chime in AGAIN.

Just come ON. What in the hell is wrong with some random guy going "oh look that guys a girl even when hes not lelelelelel"

Have we come this far that we can't even make fun of ourselves anymore? Or is fun the wrong word to use?

It's a goddarn game guys, someone's gon make fun of you if you were playing Bald McGriff, Or Kate McSucksAlot yet we only seem to notice when it's directed at our ladies.

Just. Enjoy. The. Game. Not that hard, OOC can be turned off for a reason, and this is one of those reasons.

Besides, if you're coming to Aurora and you're getting yelled at for playing a female space lesbian, then that might be because you're doing it in the most horrific way possible. But that's just me.

[Doomberg]

Alright. Since we're all intent on doing... this, I'll be locking this thread for 12-24 hours. I'm hoping we can actually have a normal, civil discussion after that.

@Mods/admins: Feel free to unlock this yourselves once the minimum amount of hours has passed, if I haven't gotten to it already. Thank you.

[Jakers457]

Just a disclaimer while the thread is locked. I didn't call people who disagreed with me, bastards. I called those who chose to harass people, who had homosexual characters, in OOC to be bastards. Which I think is a fair view, harassment isn't really up there in terms of basic decency. I will also happily take the flak for having this view, because I remained adamant on curbing the harassment.

Those who feel that they are being antagonized OOCly about their characters may PM me and I will endeavor to have your grievances looked into and if needed be, rectified.

[Tenenza]

Posts regarding XanderDox's actions will be moved to a compiled complaint thread for ease of information, evidence, and to keep this thread on topic. Binned posts will also be moved to that thread, or restored to this thread and a copy left in the complaint thread, at the request of their poster. If you feel your post is important to this thread and should not have been moved to the complaint thread, please contact me and I'll see what I can do.

Linked thread: http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3263

[Doomberg]

Unlocked. Will not hesitate to lock again if things become dumb. Please don't make things dumb.

Dumb includes, but is not limited to:

 

• Reposting/quoting binned posts without getting staff approval to have the post restored.
  
• Making more off topic "fuck the police" remarks.
  
• Discussing forum mod conduct - this should be taken to the recently-created complaint thread, instead.

[Dea Tacita]

Just going to ignore whatever shitfest happened above and say this.

I play almost exclusively lesbians (I do have one or two straight characters) that's mainly because that's my actual sexual orientation and it's what I'm comfortable playing as. I barely play any anymore, but I can say that aside from one or two out of place OOC comments, I've never had an issue with anyone harassing me over my character's sexual preferences. That might be because it's not an issue, or it might be because I don't play the lesbay "I hate men" type who only talks to women and sneaks off to the janitor's closet to make out with that other SSL nurse.

So I'm just saying this, don't be a dick, don't harass people, and try to make reasonable characters

[enkas]

Just a disclaimer while the thread is locked. I didn't call people who disagreed with me, bastards. I called those who chose to harass people, who had homosexual characters, in OOC to be bastards. Which I think is a fair view, harassment isn't really up there in terms of basic decency. I will also happily take the flak for having this view, because I remained adamant on curbing the harassment.

Those who feel that they are being antagonized OOCly about their characters may PM me and I will endeavor to have your grievances looked into and if needed be, rectified.

 

No one is harrasing anyone of playing homosexuals. The only ones that are being harrassed, are the ones that play those terribly. If you've read most of the responses before, it might have gone through to you.

[Difret]

Just a disclaimer while the thread is locked. I didn't call people who disagreed with me, bastards. I called those who chose to harass people, who had homosexual characters, in OOC to be bastards. Which I think is a fair view, harassment isn't really up there in terms of basic decency. I will also happily take the flak for having this view, because I remained adamant on curbing the harassment.

Those who feel that they are being antagonized OOCly about their characters may PM me and I will endeavor to have your grievances looked into and if needed be, rectified.

 

No one is harrasing anyone of playing homosexuals. The only ones that are being harrassed, are the ones that play those terribly. If you've read most of the responses before, it might have gone through to you.

 

This is pretty accurate. If you're playing them in a way that attracts negative attention, then it's your fault. Just the same as other characters attract negative attention.

[Doomberg]

Someone's roleplay being perceived as below your own standards does not permit or justify their harassment. It will not be tolerated. There are two options here: A) Suggest improvements for them in a polite and constructive manner and hope they consider what you've said. B) Shut up and simply RP with someone else.

Edit for clarification purposes: I'm referring to RP that is not against the rules. If it is, do as Skull says.

[Skull132]

There is a C, as well. If it's stupid, contact an admin. We've taken action against idiotic RP before, we can do it again. We just need to be made aware of it.