chaznoodle

[the_furry]

BYOND Key: xXThe_FurryXx

Player Byond Key: Chaznoodles

Staff involved: (This is if the complaint was ahelped and if it was handled by a staff member)

Reason for complaint: whitelist abuse

Approximate Date/Time: 09/13 8~PM central standard.

Eight mins into the round Chaznoodles as captain denied a signature for a permission for me to be outside of genetics after testing. For those that don’t know unless you get this signature you either spend the entire round cooped up in your lab or cooped up in the brig. The stated reason was because I was playing a tajara. Now racism can be fun to rp at times, but using your whitelist privilege (captain no less) to push your weight around is not conducive to fun roleplay. His actions completely shuts down any potential of doing anything with genetics. The point of a whitelist is to encourage fun and enjoyable rp for players. Shutting down an entire lab and shutting down a players chance to play simply breaks that rule. Racist characters are fine, but a majorly racist head of staff that shut downs any fun any xeno could have is not what a whitelist is about.

[the_furry]

BYOND Key: xXThe_FurryXx

Player Byond Key: Chaznoodles

Staff involved: (This is if the complaint was ahelped and if it was handled by a staff member)

Reason for complaint: whitelist abuse

Approximate Date/Time: 09/13 8~PM central standard.

Eight mins into the round Chaznoodles as captain denied a signature for a permission for me to be outside of genetics after testing. For those that don’t know unless you get this signature you either spend the entire round cooped up in your lab or cooped up in the brig. The stated reason was because I was playing a tajara. Now racism can be fun to rp at times, but using your whitelist privilege (captain no less) to push your weight around is not conducive to fun roleplay. His actions completely shuts down any potential of doing anything with genetics. The point of a whitelist is to encourage fun and enjoyable rp for players. Shutting down an entire lab and shutting down a players chance to play simply breaks that rule. Racist characters are fine, but a majorly racist head of staff that shut downs any fun any xeno could have is not what a whitelist is about.

[SierraKomodo]

For reference, Chaznoodles' captain's name is Maria Valance

[SierraKomodo]

For reference, Chaznoodles' captain's name is Maria Valance

[Garnascus]

Hi, before I left for work i was ghosting at the time and managed to watch this situation unfold. The captain played by chaz did indeed deny the executive permission form allowing you to leave your lab with the genetic modifications and explained to you that due to unrest and revolt of tajarans he considered it a security risk.

He also stated over command channel that you are free to experiment on yourself in your lab and a discussion was initiated between him and the RD katelynn mcmullen. The captain contested he found no reason that any meaningful research could be gained and considered it too risky, mostly yes because of your race.

Frankly I'm not sure if I consider this whitelist abuse. Chaz was quite willing to engage in discussion on the issue and give his reasons. I'm not sure if I agree that this decision completely shuts down your round either as you could simply save the relevant powers to discs and give yourself a clean SE when you wanted to leave. Annoying? Yes but I really feel like chaz was playing true to a particular character his created and the conflict born from it was quite interesting.

[Garnascus]

Hi, before I left for work i was ghosting at the time and managed to watch this situation unfold. The captain played by chaz did indeed deny the executive permission form allowing you to leave your lab with the genetic modifications and explained to you that due to unrest and revolt of tajarans he considered it a security risk.

He also stated over command channel that you are free to experiment on yourself in your lab and a discussion was initiated between him and the RD katelynn mcmullen. The captain contested he found no reason that any meaningful research could be gained and considered it too risky, mostly yes because of your race.

Frankly I'm not sure if I consider this whitelist abuse. Chaz was quite willing to engage in discussion on the issue and give his reasons. I'm not sure if I agree that this decision completely shuts down your round either as you could simply save the relevant powers to discs and give yourself a clean SE when you wanted to leave. Annoying? Yes but I really feel like chaz was playing true to a particular character his created and the conflict born from it was quite interesting.

[Nightmare]

The Tajara unrest was caused by this captain though. Once in a while is fine, but are we really going to have to always deal with getting called furball this and catspeak that by a captain? WHat type of employer would do that to their work force? Once in a while is fine, but seriously? A captain I do not see as doing that. Also, I could be 100% wrong, but wasn't she also threatening to shoot Taj for being taj or speaking cat tongue or whatever?

[Nightmare]

The Tajara unrest was caused by this captain though. Once in a while is fine, but are we really going to have to always deal with getting called furball this and catspeak that by a captain? WHat type of employer would do that to their work force? Once in a while is fine, but seriously? A captain I do not see as doing that. Also, I could be 100% wrong, but wasn't she also threatening to shoot Taj for being taj or speaking cat tongue or whatever?

[Contextual]

This is not whitelist abuse. Racism exists in the Aurora universe, and is a viable option for anyone to have, so long as it is not manifest in self-antag lynch groups and hate crimes (outside of traitor rounds). Making a player/character complaint every time someone makes a legitimately, openly racist character is essentially just railroading others' roleplay in order to make this server into even more of a hugbox than it already is. This is not an OOC issue, it is an IC issue, and this complaint was also posted DURING the round in question, meaning it is against the rules of the board it is posted in.

The captain did not override the research director's opinion that you should be allowed to self-test, which means he did not overstep his bounds. No exceeding of official powers occurred, no member of command staff is obliged to sign that waiver of yours, and sometimes your boss is going to snub you. It happens, it's part of life.

[Contextual]

This is not whitelist abuse. Racism exists in the Aurora universe, and is a viable option for anyone to have, so long as it is not manifest in self-antag lynch groups and hate crimes (outside of traitor rounds). Making a player/character complaint every time someone makes a legitimately, openly racist character is essentially just railroading others' roleplay in order to make this server into even more of a hugbox than it already is. This is not an OOC issue, it is an IC issue, and this complaint was also posted DURING the round in question, meaning it is against the rules of the board it is posted in.

The captain did not override the research director's opinion that you should be allowed to self-test, which means he did not overstep his bounds. No exceeding of official powers occurred, no member of command staff is obliged to sign that waiver of yours, and sometimes your boss is going to snub you. It happens, it's part of life.

[Garnascus]

On the contrary, while its possible i may be mistaken i did not once witness the captain use any form of slur such as cat or furball. Perhaps safiya did and in missing it but overall i found him to be quite respectful about it despite the issue being racially motivated.

[Garnascus]

On the contrary, while its possible i may be mistaken i did not once witness the captain use any form of slur such as cat or furball. Perhaps safiya did and in missing it but overall i found him to be quite respectful about it despite the issue being racially motivated.

[Nightmare]

Not this round, Garnascus. I was speaking on the pervious round where OOC got muted because of how extreme the complaints got. There were plenty of slurs. And while racism exist how do you figure that it would exist to be so blunt. Not even alittle subtle. Correct me if im wrong, but a captain would have to go through a lot of background test, and have a lot of psychological testing? I'm not completely convinced that an openly racist would be allowed to be put in charge of a station that has a heavy population of alien staff. That does not seem to work in the interest of nt to me

[Nightmare]

Not this round, Garnascus. I was speaking on the pervious round where OOC got muted because of how extreme the complaints got. There were plenty of slurs. And while racism exist how do you figure that it would exist to be so blunt. Not even alittle subtle. Correct me if im wrong, but a captain would have to go through a lot of background test, and have a lot of psychological testing? I'm not completely convinced that an openly racist would be allowed to be put in charge of a station that has a heavy population of alien staff. That does not seem to work in the interest of nt to me

[Contextual]

The Tajara unrest was caused by this captain though. Once in a while is fine, but are we really going to have to always deal with getting called furball this and catspeak that by a captain? WHat type of employer would do that to their work force? Once in a while is fine, but seriously? A captain I do not see as doing that. Also, I could be 100% wrong, but wasn't she also threatening to shoot Taj for being taj or speaking cat tongue or whatever?

 

The captain was threatening to shoot tajarans because they continued to speak catspeak on public communications channels. Not only is speaking anything other than Tau Ceti Basic on the general channel a misuse of communications and punishable by fines and brig time, this is an IC issue, not an OOC issue. Yes, you see, Nanotrasen WOULD employ people like this, because even though it's so hard for many Tajaran players to realize, Tajarans are widely discriminated against by humanity. There are entire (majority) factions of humanity centered around mistrust of all other species, and Tajarans are not going to be handed a free pass just because their players don't want to deal with it. Yes, there are people who don't like your Tajarans because they're Tajarans. Yes, some of these people are in positions of power. Yes, many of these people have been in said positions of power since before Tajarans were even discovered. No, this is not an issue. Yes, it can and should be resolved IC'ly. No, it should not be punished and curbed OOC'ly.

[Contextual]

The Tajara unrest was caused by this captain though. Once in a while is fine, but are we really going to have to always deal with getting called furball this and catspeak that by a captain? WHat type of employer would do that to their work force? Once in a while is fine, but seriously? A captain I do not see as doing that. Also, I could be 100% wrong, but wasn't she also threatening to shoot Taj for being taj or speaking cat tongue or whatever?

 

The captain was threatening to shoot tajarans because they continued to speak catspeak on public communications channels. Not only is speaking anything other than Tau Ceti Basic on the general channel a misuse of communications and punishable by fines and brig time, this is an IC issue, not an OOC issue. Yes, you see, Nanotrasen WOULD employ people like this, because even though it's so hard for many Tajaran players to realize, Tajarans are widely discriminated against by humanity. There are entire (majority) factions of humanity centered around mistrust of all other species, and Tajarans are not going to be handed a free pass just because their players don't want to deal with it. Yes, there are people who don't like your Tajarans because they're Tajarans. Yes, some of these people are in positions of power. Yes, many of these people have been in said positions of power since before Tajarans were even discovered. No, this is not an issue. Yes, it can and should be resolved IC'ly. No, it should not be punished and curbed OOC'ly.

[the_furry]

Chaz has Ooc obligations and responsibilities as a white listed player to encourage fun and interesting role play situations for the crew. Having an ic reason to behave the way he does, doesn’t exempt his responsibility as a whitelisted player. He played a great racist character, but he broke a big rule for whitelisted players and that is to encourage not hamper the enjoyment for other players in the round. If he wants to play a racist character that is fine, but don’t let him do it in a position where he can affect so many so negatively by avoiding responsibly of making this a fun atmosphere. (how many xenos play regularly?). That is the center of the complaint here. As nightmare said “are we really going to have to always deal with racism and shutting down xenos roleplay because captain.

[the_furry]

Chaz has Ooc obligations and responsibilities as a white listed player to encourage fun and interesting role play situations for the crew. Having an ic reason to behave the way he does, doesn’t exempt his responsibility as a whitelisted player. He played a great racist character, but he broke a big rule for whitelisted players and that is to encourage not hamper the enjoyment for other players in the round. If he wants to play a racist character that is fine, but don’t let him do it in a position where he can affect so many so negatively by avoiding responsibly of making this a fun atmosphere. (how many xenos play regularly?). That is the center of the complaint here. As nightmare said “are we really going to have to always deal with racism and shutting down xenos roleplay because captain.

[Nightmare]

So we're allowed to kill people who speak another language over comms? Purrrrfect. And yes, Tajara could be widely discriminated, as you say. But I do not think that NanoTrasen would openly promote that, you won't be able to convince me of that. And Tajara were discovered and taken in about 100 years ago? So, I don't think that any current captain (this one in particular) would be in post before hand. No one wants a free pass, but being openly racist like that makes no sense in a professional setting. Discriminated or not

[Nightmare]

So we're allowed to kill people who speak another language over comms? Purrrrfect. And yes, Tajara could be widely discriminated, as you say. But I do not think that NanoTrasen would openly promote that, you won't be able to convince me of that. And Tajara were discovered and taken in about 100 years ago? So, I don't think that any current captain (this one in particular) would be in post before hand. No one wants a free pass, but being openly racist like that makes no sense in a professional setting. Discriminated or not

[Jboy2000000]

I have to agree with Furry. Whitelisted players are obligated to help expand roleplay, and furry was literally forced to sit in a tiny lab because of the captain. Not only that, but if racism and lore were meant to coincide with jobs and the function of the station so much, Taj wouldn't be heads, Unathi wouldn't be heads, sec, science, or anything outside of general bitch work because of everything going on right now in Unathi lore.

[Jboy2000000]

I have to agree with Furry. Whitelisted players are obligated to help expand roleplay, and furry was literally forced to sit in a tiny lab because of the captain. Not only that, but if racism and lore were meant to coincide with jobs and the function of the station so much, Taj wouldn't be heads, Unathi wouldn't be heads, sec, science, or anything outside of general bitch work because of everything going on right now in Unathi lore.

[Garnascus]

Gonna have to agree with contextual here. Its an IC issue when a tajarans beats a guy up who called them a cat and I think a racist captain is also an IC issue. Granted our community ICily decided racism is mostly not tolerated and that's great. If the captain openly displays it i see no reason why he shouldn't be able to suffer IC consequences.

[Garnascus]

Gonna have to agree with contextual here. Its an IC issue when a tajarans beats a guy up who called them a cat and I think a racist captain is also an IC issue. Granted our community ICily decided racism is mostly not tolerated and that's great. If the captain openly displays it i see no reason why he shouldn't be able to suffer IC consequences.

[Garnascus]

So we're allowed to kill people who speak another language over comms? Purrrrfect. And yes, Tajara could be widely discriminated, as you say. But I do not think that NanoTrasen would openly promote that, you won't be able to convince me of that. And Tajara were discovered and taken in about 100 years ago? So, I don't think that any current captain (this one in particular) would be in post before hand. No one wants a free pass, but being openly racist like that makes no sense in a professional setting. Discriminated or not

 

If he had actually shot the tajarans then I or another mod would have bwoinked him