chaznoodle

[Guest]

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I read what you wrote exactly as is.

It is best to write a complaint sooner rather than later however it can only be done after the round has ended.

[Guest]

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I read what you wrote exactly as is.

It is best to write a complaint sooner rather than later however it can only be done after the round has ended.

[the_furry]

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I read what you wrote exactly as is.

It is best to write a complaint sooner rather than later however it can only be done after the round has ended.

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[the_furry]

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I read what you wrote exactly as is.

It is best to write a complaint sooner rather than later however it can only be done after the round has ended.

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[Jennalele]

We have enough information to deal with this complaint as of now. Everyone take a step back, please. ( Thread locked, complaint pending investigation. )

[Jennalele]

We have enough information to deal with this complaint as of now. Everyone take a step back, please. ( Thread locked, complaint pending investigation. )

[Doomberg]

Well then.

Since Chaz is banned from the forums, I'm speaking for him, and he had this to say.

 

"As I'm banned from the forums, I had to get someone else to post this for me. Much cheers to them for taking time out to do that.

Now, as an overthought, it's interesting that you decided to make a player complaint during the round in which the happenings took place, due to an IC issue. I believe you broke more rules right there than I did by denying your request. Since when was denying paperwork ever grounds for a complaint, anyway?

1. I'd like to know whom the 4 players backing you up on making a complaint are, because if it's the people I'm thinking, then it's metafriends/metagrudging issues.

2. I would also like to know how proper and thought-out IC reasoning designed as part of the character's background, that had no major impact on any player aside from yourself who decided to take a pissfit, is grounds for an OOC complaint.

3. At no point did I threaten to shoot Tajarans, whether in a previous round or anything. If the staff check the logs, they will see that I asked Tajaran to desist from using catbeast language over the public comms, at which the character was told 'fuck you', and called 'a bitch', at which point I asked the HoP to use Telecomms to mute them from public comms as a breaking of the radio misuse Space Law crime.

4. The IC reasoning behind the refusal to sign the form which was brought to the character was this: Since Tajaran recently rebelled and killed numerous humans, others and their own kind, having one walking about aboard a top-secret, high-tech experimental research facility could be perceived as a threat to station safety and security. Alongside this, due to Genetics being an experimental department, allowing it out into public areas where the Genetic user could be subject to genetic instability (such as serious wounds or death) would be a danger to the mental health of the crew.

5. At no time were you 'forced to sit in a tiny lab'. You were perfectly welcome to wander about as long as you did not have powers. Using a clean SE is a good method to this, if you actually know Genetics. Test powers whilst in the controlled testing environment of the Genetics lab, and remove them when going outside. Simple as.

6. As a whitelisted player, there is a responsibility to act within your department and be a good head. There is no responsibility to bow to the whim of any player who wants to do what they want, to do so would be bad RP. By doing this, I created a situation which could have been explored through RP ICly, but you instead decided to throw a fit and make a complaint, which is bad conduct. The first rule of improvisation is take what someone else says, go with it, and add more as it progresses.

7. On another follwing note, I'd like to say the character was not a racist. They took into account the happenings on Tajplanet, and made an educated choice based on these. I clearly stated that it was a race issue, but not racism.

8. 'Look at whos backing this complaint, they are all cats, they are all going to be affected by this captain': Then maybe you should take a look at what you are doing that would so cause you to be affected in this way. From my experience, Tajaran players are all rebellious, toeing the line of self-antagging every round and complaining that people discriminate against their character just because they're a cat, rather than looking at their own bad actions. Of course they're going to be affected. People who do wrong things are going to be affected, and that goes under the bracket of misuse of comms (Nightmare) and genetic testing (Furry), as well as any other crewmember who takes bad actions. It's not singling anyone out, it's dealing with the people who do these things, when they do them.

9. If you're taking insults such as 'cat' and 'furball' to such a level that you feel the need to antagonise other, maybe you should relax. It's like calling Soghun 'lizards' or 'scales' and IPCs 'bots'. Not once have I seen any other race get pissed about nicknames. It's just Tajarans. What does that tell you about the players playing those?

10. I would have liked to have been present to dispute the case of my report/arrest, but unfortunately I had to disappear. It's interesting that the whines of a Tajaran were taken over the thoughts of a Captain with ridiculous years of experience and making choices like these.

11. Turns out the character's age is set at 28. THat's a mistake, it has been rectified. Thanks for pointing that out, Alberyk.

Thanks to the comments from players saying sticking to my choice was a good option. If you're going to play a character you play it, you don't change just because other people want you to fit in with what they want.

*This is my reply to both threads pertaining to this matter, seeing as the original complaint was locked just as this was about to be posted. Don't delete or edit this please if it seems out of place, it's a reply to both threads.

 

And for my own personal opinion:

I don't see what the big fuss is about, I believe people are throwing the "racist" card when clearly this is just a show of good work ethic, people with genetic powers are an absolute threat to station security, with powers that can EASILY overpower even the most heavily armed and armored of people while giving them no chance to fight back. You should consider yourself lucky that you are even allowed to experiment on yourself, let alone be allowed outside of your lab while having said powers.

Another thing, taking biology and racial history into account, it is well known the Tajaran are rebellious, and rather feisty (a common trait amongst all tajaran on the station that I have seen), so it is no wonder that they would be treated differently compared to humans. Genetic super power testing in my opinion should be completely restricted to R&D and genetics, because in my eyes it is far too dangerous to be around normal crew members.

Finally, I (the HoP) requested that a reason should be given that the geneticist should be allowed outside the lab with her powers, and despite repeated requests over the command channel (To the RD no less) I was not given an answer.

 

Couldn't be posted due to the thread being locked, so I'll quote this here.

[Doomberg]

Well then.

Since Chaz is banned from the forums, I'm speaking for him, and he had this to say.

 

"As I'm banned from the forums, I had to get someone else to post this for me. Much cheers to them for taking time out to do that.

Now, as an overthought, it's interesting that you decided to make a player complaint during the round in which the happenings took place, due to an IC issue. I believe you broke more rules right there than I did by denying your request. Since when was denying paperwork ever grounds for a complaint, anyway?

1. I'd like to know whom the 4 players backing you up on making a complaint are, because if it's the people I'm thinking, then it's metafriends/metagrudging issues.

2. I would also like to know how proper and thought-out IC reasoning designed as part of the character's background, that had no major impact on any player aside from yourself who decided to take a pissfit, is grounds for an OOC complaint.

3. At no point did I threaten to shoot Tajarans, whether in a previous round or anything. If the staff check the logs, they will see that I asked Tajaran to desist from using catbeast language over the public comms, at which the character was told 'fuck you', and called 'a bitch', at which point I asked the HoP to use Telecomms to mute them from public comms as a breaking of the radio misuse Space Law crime.

4. The IC reasoning behind the refusal to sign the form which was brought to the character was this: Since Tajaran recently rebelled and killed numerous humans, others and their own kind, having one walking about aboard a top-secret, high-tech experimental research facility could be perceived as a threat to station safety and security. Alongside this, due to Genetics being an experimental department, allowing it out into public areas where the Genetic user could be subject to genetic instability (such as serious wounds or death) would be a danger to the mental health of the crew.

5. At no time were you 'forced to sit in a tiny lab'. You were perfectly welcome to wander about as long as you did not have powers. Using a clean SE is a good method to this, if you actually know Genetics. Test powers whilst in the controlled testing environment of the Genetics lab, and remove them when going outside. Simple as.

6. As a whitelisted player, there is a responsibility to act within your department and be a good head. There is no responsibility to bow to the whim of any player who wants to do what they want, to do so would be bad RP. By doing this, I created a situation which could have been explored through RP ICly, but you instead decided to throw a fit and make a complaint, which is bad conduct. The first rule of improvisation is take what someone else says, go with it, and add more as it progresses.

7. On another follwing note, I'd like to say the character was not a racist. They took into account the happenings on Tajplanet, and made an educated choice based on these. I clearly stated that it was a race issue, but not racism.

8. 'Look at whos backing this complaint, they are all cats, they are all going to be affected by this captain': Then maybe you should take a look at what you are doing that would so cause you to be affected in this way. From my experience, Tajaran players are all rebellious, toeing the line of self-antagging every round and complaining that people discriminate against their character just because they're a cat, rather than looking at their own bad actions. Of course they're going to be affected. People who do wrong things are going to be affected, and that goes under the bracket of misuse of comms (Nightmare) and genetic testing (Furry), as well as any other crewmember who takes bad actions. It's not singling anyone out, it's dealing with the people who do these things, when they do them.

9. If you're taking insults such as 'cat' and 'furball' to such a level that you feel the need to antagonise other, maybe you should relax. It's like calling Soghun 'lizards' or 'scales' and IPCs 'bots'. Not once have I seen any other race get pissed about nicknames. It's just Tajarans. What does that tell you about the players playing those?

10. I would have liked to have been present to dispute the case of my report/arrest, but unfortunately I had to disappear. It's interesting that the whines of a Tajaran were taken over the thoughts of a Captain with ridiculous years of experience and making choices like these.

11. Turns out the character's age is set at 28. THat's a mistake, it has been rectified. Thanks for pointing that out, Alberyk.

Thanks to the comments from players saying sticking to my choice was a good option. If you're going to play a character you play it, you don't change just because other people want you to fit in with what they want.

*This is my reply to both threads pertaining to this matter, seeing as the original complaint was locked just as this was about to be posted. Don't delete or edit this please if it seems out of place, it's a reply to both threads.

 

And for my own personal opinion:

I don't see what the big fuss is about, I believe people are throwing the "racist" card when clearly this is just a show of good work ethic, people with genetic powers are an absolute threat to station security, with powers that can EASILY overpower even the most heavily armed and armored of people while giving them no chance to fight back. You should consider yourself lucky that you are even allowed to experiment on yourself, let alone be allowed outside of your lab while having said powers.

Another thing, taking biology and racial history into account, it is well known the Tajaran are rebellious, and rather feisty (a common trait amongst all tajaran on the station that I have seen), so it is no wonder that they would be treated differently compared to humans. Genetic super power testing in my opinion should be completely restricted to R&D and genetics, because in my eyes it is far too dangerous to be around normal crew members.

Finally, I (the HoP) requested that a reason should be given that the geneticist should be allowed outside the lab with her powers, and despite repeated requests over the command channel (To the RD no less) I was not given an answer.

 

Couldn't be posted due to the thread being locked, so I'll quote this here.

[Shadow]

It was IC behaviour and will be punished ICly.

Locking and archiving.