11/29/15 - Player Complaint - Ffrances & Halorocks

[SierraKomodo]

BYOND Key: SierraKomodo

Player Byond Key: Ffrances/Isuckatroleplaying as 'halo', halorocks as 'Isaac Garneys'

Staff involved: Josh1133 (Provided/confirmed ckeys), TishinaStalker (Situation was explained to him via steam)

Reason for complaint: There is so many things to bring up here, I'm not sure where to start, so I'm just gonna note things randomly.

ISSUE 1:

Frances/Isuckatroleplaying as a bald nuclear operative named 'NOPE', and an ID labelled 'halo', spent the majority of the round acting in a manner that I wouldn't consider conducive to a heavy roleplay environment. To start with, here's what their ID said:

 

 

And then there's these snippets from things said over radio by halo. There's a lot more, but these are all I have screenshots for (Server logs can be reviewed for other things. There's just so much in the log I have saved I don't even want to go through it all).

 

 

ISSUE 2:

There was what looked a /lot/ like metabuddying going on between halorocks (Isaac), frances, and a third person playing Solomon Curnow (Whom was banned this round, not 100% sure on the exact reasoning for the ban). To start of with, Isaac completely stripped off all of his gear as a janitor - Including his clothing and ID card - and gave it all to Solomon, spending the rest of the round running around completely naked up until Frances' character announced that the syndicates were hiring - She specifically called out Solomon by name, but not anybody else, just after asking if anybody wanted to join them and Isaac had immediately volunteered himself. He accepted, and they both were in departures.

They both ended up being SSD when Frances arrived to recruit them, so she left, apparently leaving behind a hardsuit as Isaac was running around in a blood red hardsuit (Without an ID) after coming back from SSD. Here's a screenshot of Solomon being called out by name, and of Isaac wearing nothing but the hardsuit, no ID (Had to have Tish hop in to temporarily remove his helmet so it wouldnt just say 'Unknown')

 

 

And then, while laying on the ground in the middle of the brig, dying from a popped lung...

halo (follow) says, "Okay"

halo (follow) says, "Maybe a bit late to ask"

halo (follow) asks, "But once all this blows over, any of you interested in defecting from NanoTrasen to join the syndicate?"

ISSUE 3:

This is primarily with Isaac, particularly with him running around as a bald, naked, IDless janitor for a good 45 minutes to an hour of the round. There was a point where he just walked right into engineering, didn't say anything, and tried picking up an engineering hardsuit and had put it on before one of the engineers told him off for it. He put it back, said 'Sorry, i wanted to be an engineer' and was then escorted out by a borg. He spent the rest of the round wandering around, still completely naked until issue #2. (I wasn't focused on him up until issue #2).

Approximate Date/Time: Nov 29, 2015. Round started at ~11:00 PM Pacific Standard Time (0727 UTC)

On a side note, I want to bring attention to the fact that incidents like this, regarding the low level of RP standards and the blatant chucklefuckery done by people who should know better, are happening way more often than they should be, without any actions being taken to mitigate or stop it. This server calls itself heavy RP. As of this moment, with what this round just showed us, this server is less RP than Paradise was a year ago, and they call themselves low-medium RP. One of our older moderators that's been a moderator for a long time (I think possibly nearly as long as I've been on Aurora?), who's also a friend of mine, just got done telling me he's leaving the staff, possibly the server for that matter.

You guys /really/ need to start cracking down on things like this. It's turning this server into a toxic community that doesn't deserve to call itself heavy RP, or even use the name of 'Aurora' that I remember was a hell of a lot better than this back in February. Figure out your rules, get a system worked out, decide once and for all if you're going to be a heavy RP server that's going to crack down on this, or if you're going to be a low-rp server so that people can stop expecting things to get better.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Guest

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

The first image doesn't make any sense for a complaint. The agent pointed out the humor in a dionae op. I'd do that too, because they're tree pacifists. I mean. It seems really. . . Arbitrary.

The rest of this stuff shows that the character was still attempting to facilitate roleplay and engage the players online at the moment.

 

It's turning this server into a toxic community

 

low level of RP standards and the blatant chucklefuckery done by people who should know better,

 

There is no obligation that the nuke ops have to be edgelords. You have been more insulting throwing around heated rhetoric than the player who was having fun and trying to engage other players with good intentions. If you genuinely feel that light-hearted yet sincere shenanigans in IC are a symptom of toxicity, then I really think you've created an inflated, unreachable ideal of 'serious', and that you won't be satisfied. I encourage you to really look at your expectations, and ask yourself if they're fair to be placing on someone else - you're demanding Frances conform to your ideal playstyle, and you're extremely angry that she isn't.

She looked like she was calling everyone to join the Syndicates, and Solomon was one of the people she specifically asked by name. If she was metabuddying, why would she call him out on the public radio channel?

The Isaac issue is the sticky one here. Dumping all your gear on the ground and running around naked is a bizarre and unreasonable thing to do, I agree with you here. His behavior only continues to be absolutely bizarre. Did you ahelp that? You said you involved Tishinastalker after the round, via steam. . .

[Frances]

As this is a relatively long complaint, I'm gonna start by throwing out the things which I believe shouldn't have any reasonable basis, then I'm going to let this sit in and see what people think before writing my side.

 

Frances/Isuckatroleplaying as a bald nuclear operative named 'NOPE', and an ID labelled 'halo', spent the majority of the round acting in a manner that I wouldn't consider conducive to a heavy roleplay environment. To start with, here's what their ID said:

NOPE is actually the name of the character I readied as, a cyborg. Its full name is "Nanotrasen Operated Patrol Engineer, and it kinda looks like a huge mechanical spider. As for "Halo the Dank agent", I have no issue admitting that was a pretty silly reference to one of halorocks22's previous nuke op characters. Nuke ID cards have little to no bearing on the game, however, and I honestly don't know many people who don't enter joke titles on them.

 

These logs are actually disjointed although they appear continuous in your post. I actually mentioned runescape first before making any allusion of being part of the syndicate. As far as the crew were concerned, this was just some random people talking on the radio. As characters pretty consistently reference incredibly dated games, movies and songs, I don't really see how mentioning runescape was a crime. (And there's actually a full story about why I asked the crew about runescape, although it was just an "in"-joke between me and another nuke op. If you have the full logs from observing since roundstart they should explain it.

 

There was what looked a /lot/ like metabuddying going on between halorocks (Isaac), frances, and a third person playing Solomon Curnow (Whom was banned this round, not 100% sure on the exact reasoning for the ban). To start of with, Isaac completely stripped off all of his gear as a janitor - Including his clothing and ID card - and gave it all to Solomon, spending the rest of the round running around completely naked up until Frances' character announced that the syndicates were hiring - She specifically called out Solomon by name, but not anybody else, just after asking if anybody wanted to join them and Isaac had immediately volunteered himself. He accepted, and they both were in departures.

I have no idea who Solomon was. I actually made various attempts to try to convince the crew to join the Syndicate through humorous incentives, citing health benefits, dental plans, paid overtime, etc. I did happen to call out Solomon, though I admit it was by pure coincidence (though if I was metabuddying with that character's player, why exactly would I need to call them out on the radio anyway?) I would also have tried to convince any other people who manifested interest in joining the syndies.

 

They both ended up being SSD when Frances arrived to recruit them, so she left, apparently leaving behind a hardsuit as Isaac was running around in a blood red hardsuit (Without an ID) after coming back from SSD. Here's a screenshot of Solomon being called out by name, and of Isaac wearing nothing but the hardsuit, no ID (Had to have Tish hop in to temporarily remove his helmet so it wouldnt just say 'Unknown')

I actually didn't make it to the station until almost two hours into the round, after spending most of my playtime lost in space.

 

halo (follow) says, "Okay"

halo (follow) says, "Maybe a bit late to ask"

halo (follow) asks, "But once all this blows over, any of you interested in defecting from NanoTrasen to join the syndicate?"

I also addressed my condition repeatedly, to an extent I would say is greater than the one the group of security officers and doctors who decided to leave me in the brig dying engaged in. I actually called out for help several times, tried to get to medbay (before getting kicked out) and pretty consistently called out to my condition, reminding the crew that I was dying and in pain, while coughing and stuttering. (As for still trying to recruit people for my cause, it's absurd humor. I'll elaborate on that in my next post as the purpose of this post is to debunk false accusations).

 

One of our older moderators that's been a moderator for a long time (I think possibly nearly as long as I've been on Aurora?), who's also a friend of mine, just got done telling me he's leaving the staff, possibly the server for that matter.

A mod pretty much lost his shit (I'm not sure over what, seeing as he didn't contact either me or halo about any of the issues of this complaint), but I don't think this should be used as an argument to further this complaint. It's better to look at what the actions were, not how the actions caused people to react (as I could lose my shit over literally any issue and that wouldn't necessarily give that issue more or less legitimacy).

 

On a side note, I want to bring attention to the fact that incidents like this, regarding the low level of RP standards and the blatant chucklefuckery done by people who should know better, are happening way more often than they should be, without any actions being taken to mitigate or stop it. This server calls itself heavy RP.

Maybe this is just my personal opinion, but I don't think incidents of chucklefucking have been increasing lately (Solomon Goldstein was found out to be an obvious troll and banned - we've always had those). Silly and lighthearted rounds have actually always been a part of Aurora - the only difference is that people recently started to get very upset at them for not being serious, while players chose to either ignore or enjoye them in the past, for the most part.

Anyway. That should cover most of the details, I'll post a full explanation tomorrow, after we're done establishing what actually happened or not.

Edited November 30, 2015 by Guest

[Shadow]

Right-o. Give me a couple hours to read over this and I'll write a proper response.

[punkDMD]

There is no obligation that the nuke ops have to be edgelords. You have been more insulting throwing around heated rhetoric than the player who was having fun and trying to engage other players with good intentions. If you genuinely feel that light-hearted yet sincere shenanigans in IC are a symptom of toxicity, then I really think you've created an inflated, unreachable ideal of 'serious', and that you won't be satisfied. I encourage you to really look at your expectations, and ask yourself if they're fair to be placing on someone else - you're demanding Frances conform to your ideal playstyle, and you're extremely angry that she isn't.

 

But this is exactly the type of behavior which will scare off new visitors to the server who came here explicitly because it said "Heavy RP" and not "Low-Medium RP."

These "light-hearted shenanigans" revolving around what are supposed to be 500 year old memes and video games people haven't played in multiple generations are immersion breaking, to begin with, and quickly become flat out annoying and round-ruiners over time. I'm not saying, personally, that all characters should act the way I like. There ARE people on this server who do think that we should be targeting characters with dyed hair, or for being a Tajaran, and I get the impression some target characters for simply being people they OOCly wouldn't make friends with IRL. This ISN'T that. This is about maintaining the heavy RP character of this server and the immersion that should be expected of it.

[Guest]

I played Samantha Curnow. You're mixing Solomon (x) with my character's last name.

Edited November 30, 2015 by Guest

[LetzShake]

Tishina wasn't around for a vast majority of the round, Jackboot. Josh was, and the round was so infuriating he announced he was quitting the server and the game.

Honestly, Sierra, I think it might be worth posting the full log, even if nobody'll really read all of it. This kinda goes on, it was a bad round for a LOT of people. The problem wasn't Syndicate trying to recruit crew, on the contrary, I like that idea. They explicitly called themselves terrorists, and refered to themselves as The Syndicate. Also the meme spouting ridiculousness is the problem. "Dankest lawyers", talking about Runescape and Call of Duty. It's really really ridiculous.

You guys (and I notice very much a clique of memey people forming) seem to think there's this black and white "YOU ARE EITHER HITLER OR YOU THINK MEME FESTIVALS AND RACIST CHARICATURES ARE FUNNY". No. That is not how it works. You can be funny without making no damn sense in the world or its lore. Silly is fine. Vomiting 400 year old memes is not. This is not goonstation. And seeing this behavior encouraged by loredevs is kind of disturbing.

[Guest]

This is not goonstation.

 

Fun fact: Racist cariactures, or any sort of bigotry for that matter in the eyes of the goon admins, is totally unacceptable and they give people (appealable) permabans on the first offense for it. So, your comparison is a bit null, there.

So, I'd suggest trying to get back on track again. Stop with the raging, stop with the shitposting, stop acting like dummies. Let's deal with objectivity here. I'll pose a question, and you all should bat it back and forth and see it how it goes.

Is this sort of behavior acceptable for the server climate? If not, why?

[Frances]

But this is exactly the type of behavior which will scare off new visitors to the server who came here explicitly because it said "Heavy RP" and not "Low-Medium RP."

These "light-hearted shenanigans" revolving around what are supposed to be 500 year old memes and video games people haven't played in multiple generations are immersion breaking, to begin with, and quickly become flat out annoying and round-ruiners over time. I'm not saying, personally, that all characters should act the way I like. There ARE people on this server who do think that we should be targeting characters with dyed hair, or for being a Tajaran, and I get the impression some target characters for simply being people they OOCly wouldn't make friends with IRL. This ISN'T that. This is about maintaining the heavy RP character of this server and the immersion that should be expected of it.

Sorta breaking my vow to not post again until tomorrow. Anyway, I wanted to provide an explanation for these kind of things as a whole (the explanation for that specific round can still wait until tomorrow).

Silly, lighthearted things aren't bad, nor should they scare away anyone. It's quite simply impossible to maintain a 24/7 facade of office simulator and/or edgy syndicate drama, because people do get tired of these things, actually. I don't think the server should always be silly (and in fact it's often the staff's job to make sure that the silly doesn't overlap too much into the serious), but there are moments for silly and moments for serious. I see people getting upset at the presence of any silly at all.

We do have, and enjoy (for most of us anyway) silly things. We had a thunderdome a few days ago, which definitely isn't in the spirit of "we're serious employees working for a space fortune 500 corporation". We also have wizard rounds, which are literally impossible to play completely seriously even if you try (they can be dramatic, but they'll never really be "serious" - even the best dramatic wizards I've seen have always been good because they had some slight comedic elements.) I feel terribly sorry by people getting offended by the sole presence of memes (tough luck living on the internet tbh), but as long as the memes aren't constant, I think it's a bit ridiculous to rule them as a problem. People actually make silly references and comments over general comms a lot, and this only becomes a problem when you have a recurrent character that's based around memes. Having a one-off character say "dank" a few times and make a mention of runescape isn't going to tear the fabric of roleplay apart, is it?

So, anyway, I think this would be something valid to lament about if serious roleplay was literally missing from the server, but... it's not. A silly thing happened during a deadhour round, as many silly things have happened during deadhour rounds before. Other things I've seen people get upset at include players not playing seriously during nations, an event which is literally based around departments of the station splintering into pretend "countries". So what actually makes silly acceptable or not? Is it just an arbitrary distinction that you should enforce based on your personal, subjective preferences? If actual, serious roleplay was being trampled on for this I'd be more willing to empathize with your grievances, but you're actually requesting the unreasonable out of three disorganized nuke ops (one of which a nonviolent Diona) at two in the morning, local time.

I'll post more about this tomorrow.

[Susan]

I literally cannot fathom why you people are defending the chucklefuck duo when I've been calling to get them slapped for a long time now.

If you want lighthearted IC shenanigans, go to a light roleplay server. Space Station 13 is already shallow enough as it is; if you want Aurora to purport itself as a heavy roleplay server, then it's expected our staff enforce this vision for it. Seeing nuke ops with ID cards that say 'dank agent' and saying things like 'OMG THE SYNDIKATES' over the radio (which is against the rules, I'm pretty sure???) is immersion breaking and ends with people only expecting low-rp bullshit which seems to be plaguing the server recently.

I'm with Sierra. You admins need to do something about this shit for once and stop sitting on your hands, walking on glass. Start fucking dealing with people who do this shit or take off the heavy roleplay tag so people don't expect more and are free to leave to avoid going down with the ship.

Also, that thunderdome was absolutely fucking retarded, and Canon should be ashasmed, IMO. The people involved should have been reprimanded.

[Frances]

Alright, I've had some sleep and I guess nobody really replied to this, so here's my take on what happened:

It's 2AM. There's 20 people on the server. We barely manage to get a nuke round started, I get operative.

I notice that my teammates are a Diona, and a black guy named Tyrese who seems to be kinda struggling with typing (no offense Tyrese's player, you were still cool, but most definitely a slav.) The Diona's player, Hackie, asks me in LOOC if I'm Halo (since my character was bald, I readied as a borg slot so my character didn't have any traits), and I decide to humor him by actually naming my character after Halo's nuke op. The two other ops actually seem to be getting a kick out of this, the Russian guy is calling me a legendary warrior or something and I tell him that I've never actually killed anyone and learned all of my combat skills through runescape.

So, planning time. I quickly realize that the Diona isn't really intent on harming anything or anyone, which makes things kinda complicated for our remaining two ops. Black Russian wants to kill every single animal on station to "demoralize the crew" - a plan I'm not sure if the Diona is opposing because violence is involved, or because it actually sounds plain stupid. The two of us stealthily make our way to the bridge and I watch the other op shoot Chauncey through the window with a laser carbine before silently leaving. (This produces no effect whatsoever, as there wasn't even a captain or a head besides a late-join CMO for the entire round, and even so, I'm not sure if anyone would have actually cared about the captain's fox mysteriously dying, or if people would have just assumed it was natural causes somehow).

It's at this point that I begin to think that we're not going to get very far, as Black Russian's plan is comically evil yet ineffective (he kept trying to convince me to shoot Chauncey by calling him "Old Yeller" and saying he had to be put out of his misery, I told him I forgot my weapons on the shuttle), and the Diona guy was happy to stay on the ship just driving us around after Black Russian told him not to come on our missions because he didn't want to harm anybody (I later tried to get him involved and he did come out with a ton of medkits).

That's when I tried to suggest we hold a syndicate recruitment campaign. I knew we weren't going to come up with something terribly serious or dramatic as the only other plan my team came up with was to shoot the station's animals "to make the crew sad", and to prove my point our slav operative pretty much immediately begin to blare on comms that people should join us because we were "cool space pirates" (I say this literally, those were the terms used.)

Now, I'm not saying that those two players were idiots and that my actions were excused because I followed suit. Far from that. I actually don't think there was really anything wrong with either of them (the Diona was content just to follow anyway tbh, and I had also planned on following until I realized slav op didn't have a plan that wasn't terrible.) What I'm arguing is more the fact that it was obvious the situation wasn't set up for anything serious from the start, and I don't feel like I really trampled on anyone's plans or expectations as a result. Rather than pretend to be the only serious op in a failing team (and probably get captured near-immediately and provide some very boring and lackluster roleplay), I tried to embrace some lighthearted fun, while giving players a wide change of pace and providing them with a chance to interact extensively with some less-than-serious, probably incredibly stupid and gullible ops, who were ready to let just about anybody onto their ship to do "cool syndicate stuff".

Yes, the situation was absurd, I won't deny that. But we play in the absurd very often, as I've already stated. Thunderdome. Wizard rounds. Magical boxes that grant people's wishes and turn everybody into random mobs. Exploding ERP-detecting clowns. Evil space worms that battle against teams of 20 deathsquad or syndicate soldiers. Alien experiments raised on 400 years of bad memes that call people "bitch nigga". (Sue actually participated in the last one, so I'm not too sure why she's mad here.)

The only real difference that happened in this round is that a few vocal people got upset because, as Jackboot put it, our operatives weren't total edgelords, I guess. And to that, all I really have to say is that I'm sorry, but I don't think we could have been.

[Madpredator]

I was the Dionaea this round and i think Frances explained very well what happened on the round. It was a mistake to call ourselves "Syndicate" or "pirates" and would been a better idea to call us something less conflictive for our purpose. We had no leader and it seemed like non of us had a solid plan of what to do. I tried to roleplay as a confused diona who ended up joining the syndicates being the driver and medic of the team. So we knew from start this wasnt going to be a very serious syndicate mission.

We were probably the worst syndicate team ever seen yeah. But we were also unique. And that made us different from other syndicate rounds when "blowing the armory is a must and then get some hostages" . We tried to recruit members first to involve more civilian people and not only security and why not, doing some RP. I dont think this Isaac thing was "meta buddy" , When i saw him on departures he was wearing his clothes, then he went ssd and somehow after that he was naked. We also didnt leave equipment for him.

Most part of the round i was trying to communicate with the rest of the team but were so dumb and funny that they ended up being lost on space or doing random things.

[LetzShake]

So we're still hiding behind the "We can only spout memes or be Shadow The Hedgehog, there's no middle ground?" thing? That's not how it works. You can be silly without blowing immersion away with an SMG. Nobody is saying all nuke rounds have to be a boring violent gankfest. Hell, If you did everything the same way, but without pretending to be Halo, this would've been a brilliant, fun round, I think. The problem was it ended up being ridiculous and clownish by almost everyone involved and not in a funny way (at least not intentionally, it was funny when security showed up and started trying to bring down a motionless, peaceful diona with tasers). Between the bribes accepted by security officers, the nuke ops being a pacifist, a clown, and a clown who went SSD, the round fell flat, directionless it just was awful. You don't need violence but it really doesn't work without any kind of endgame or RP or objective. This is an RP server, your job as an antagonist is to create interesting conflict RP. You don't have to murder people but you have to do SOMETHING. Recruiting is fine, but where does that go?

Also Madpred you were a great straightman to the madness. I think you played perfectly.

 

When i saw him on departures he was wearing his clothes, then he went ssd and somehow after that he was naked. We also didnt leave equipment for him.

 

I missed that someone said you guys left equipment for him. To clarify, they didn't leave equipment for him. He woke back up and someone CAME BACK and gave him a spacesuit, then fucked up because three stooges nuke ops, and got him accidentally spaced with no gear except oxygen and a hardsuit. Which is what led to him vandalizing the mining outpost when he could've just walked into the door.

[halorocks22]

Guys, let me step in to clear a few things up.

First and foremost, nobody was metabuddying. Frances actually chose to hold the recruitment drive to her own accord (like she said in her post) and I had nothing to do with it. When she and her team started recruiting, they most certainly didn't call me up by name. I volunteered over the radio (not because Frances was in the team, but because I was bored). At the start of the round, I actually didn't even know that Frances was nuke op.

Solomon Goldstein was just a random dude. Neither Frances nor I were metabuddying with him.

Secondly, I didn't strip down and give my gear to Solomon. He removed my articles himself and took them.

I was too lazy to try and get my stuff back and due to the fact that I was going to join the Syndicate anyways, didn't bother looking for clothing or reporting it to Security. Better to leave Nanotrasen-issued items behind, I reasoned. As for the Engineering visit.. my character, about to leave the NSS Aurora and possibly never come back, wanted to take a look at this department of the station and try on a hardsuit before he left because he always wanted to be an engineer when he was a little chillun. That's all.

Lastly, I was running around in a blood-red hardsuit because I was on my way to joining the Syndicate before I unfortunately got flung into space. I found my way back to the station and left the server because it was late and I had class in a couple of hours.

P.S. I was asked by Tishina to refrain from using netspeak like "OMG THE SYNDIKATES" ICly over the radio, so please don't worry about that part.

P.P.S. There's no "meme clique" nor any other conspiracy theory you guys can think of. I'm not teaming up with Frances to troll the server, I assure everyone. If you guys think that the fact that I like to play with Frances whenever it's appropriate is wrong, then that's hypocritical. There have been people playing with only certain people since the dawn of this server (which I generally don't even do).

Edited November 30, 2015 by Guest

[halorocks22]

I missed that someone said you guys left equipment for him. To clarify, they didn't leave equipment for him. He woke back up and someone CAME BACK and gave him a spacesuit, then fucked up because three stooges nuke ops, and got him accidentally spaced with no gear except oxygen and a hardsuit. Which is what led to him vandalizing the mining outpost when he could've just walked into the door.

 

Yes, that was when they were recruiting me into the Syndicate, understand? I was going to leave the station with them to join their cause. It wasn't metagaming and Frances wasn't even in that group.

[LetzShake]

Do you honestly expect people to believe that? It's just a coincidence the memelords stick together, always, in character, out of character, and on the forums?

OH AND GUESS WHAT. I was logging the whole round. That includes PDA messages. That includes you and Solomon blatantly in collusion together, Halo. So welcome to being caught in a suuuuper obvious lie.

 

 

Soo. Blatantly lying in your complaint thread. How's that working out for you?

Another choice passage.

 

Issac Garneys farts!

Issac Garneys (follow) whispers, "Ayy"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Brother why"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "H, what"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Brother"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "My brother"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) asks, "What happened to your nose!?"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) asks, "It is so small!?"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Ah yes"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "I had a nosejob"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "WHA-"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) yells, "WHY!"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Well for one thing"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) exclaims, "Brother!"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "I'm adopted haha"

 

No I'm sure you absolutely don't know each other at all, right? Just a random guy, right?

[Frances]

Do you honestly expect people to believe that? It's just a coincidence the memelords stick together, always, in character, out of character, and on the forums?

I'm just suggesting that perhaps similar characters/players are naturally attracted to each other, much like medbay lesbians or super serious angry sec officers also tend to gravitate towards their own groups.

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that Halo was drawn to that player because they were saying ridiculous and silly things? I also don't understand how the accusation of metacommunication stands - whether this was a player that was actively out to seek Halo (I'm assuming by copying the "jewish chaplain" spiel that happened earlier that day), I've yet to understand how the two of them gained an unfair gameplay advantage through any sort of collaboration.

[halorocks22]

Do you honestly expect people to believe that? It's just a coincidence the memelords stick together, always, in character, out of character, and on the forums?

OH AND GUESS WHAT. I was logging the whole round. That includes PDA messages. That includes you and Solomon blatantly in collusion together, Halo. So welcome to being caught in a suuuuper obvious lie.

 

 

Soo. Blatantly lying in your complaint thread. How's that working out for you?

Another choice passage.

 

Issac Garneys farts!

Issac Garneys (follow) whispers, "Ayy"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Brother why"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "H, what"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Brother"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "My brother"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) asks, "What happened to your nose!?"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) asks, "It is so small!?"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Ah yes"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "I had a nosejob"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "WHA-"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) yells, "WHY!"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Well for one thing"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) exclaims, "Brother!"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "I'm adopted haha"

 

No I'm sure you absolutely don't know each other at all, right? Just a random guy, right?

 

Oh Jesus, you've got me.

Not really. Those PDA and radio messages prove nothing. Again, he was just some random dude. I don't really know why he was seeking me out but Frances's explanation seems to be logical (inb4 you were obviously metagaming as you always agree with Frances). If you pay close attention to the logs, you'll see that I was trying to deny being his brother the entire time he was talking to me (I said I was adopted, I said I got a nose job, etc. You also left out the part where I explicitly told him I wasn't his brother).

I did tell him where I was (the holodeck) because I shrugged and said, "why not?" I had no idea who he was and I was willing to interact with him. I wasn't meeting up with a metabuddy.

[LetzShake]

And the fact that Solomon Goldstein was looking for his 'brother' when you played Shlomo Goldstein in the round previously is totally just coincidence too, right?

RIGHT. Most believable story, I'm sorry, lets call the whole thing off, no way is this guy a blatant liar trying to get out of being caught completely red handed. Nope. Not what's going on here at all. Clearly it's coincidental that you went out of your way to meet someone (who at no point called you out by name before you responded), playing a similar character to a character you played in a previous round, with the same surname. You let him have all your gear, walked around naked, then you both agreed to join the syndicate (Self-Described pirates and terrorists, who kill people. All their own words, in this very round), after you were recruited into that organization by a person playing as a character named after you, copying your idiotic mannerisms.

Yeah, must be a coincidence, what was I thinking, no collusion happening here.

[Frances]

And the fact that Solomon Goldstein was looking for his 'brother' when you played Shlomo Goldstein in the round previously is totally just coincidence too, right?

RIGHT. Most believable story, I'm sorry, lets call the whole thing off, no way is this guy a blatant liar trying to get out of being caught completely red handed. Nope. Not what's going on here at all. Clearly it's coincidental that you went out of your way to meet someone (who at no point called you out by name before you responded), playing a similar character to a character you played in a previous round, with the same surname. You let him have all your gear, walked around naked, then you both agreed to join the syndicate (Self-Described pirates and terrorists, who kill people. All their own words, in this very round), after you were recruited into that organization by a person playing as a character named after you, copying your idiotic mannerisms.

Yeah, must be a coincidence, what was I thinking, no collusion happening here.

The chatlogs of Shlomo Goldstein were also posted in the funny stories thread, as well as in a chat involving over 60 people from the SS13 community (I may have had something to do with them ending up there). So it's not impossible for somebody to have made their way from there into last night's round. I'm not gonna deny that Solomon Goldstein is an obvious Shlomo Goldstein impersonator, but I have no idea who he was besides that (and apparently neither does Halo).

Anyway, I offered literally everyone on the station the ability to join the syndicate. This might have been metabuddying if I, say, only accepted those two while refusing other people for an arbitrary reason. Which is, tbh... not what happened. If you really want to complain about metabuddying, I would suggest explaining exactly what events you believe had a tangible, negative effect on the round and how they can be ruled under the rule for metacommunication.

Right now you just sound like you're upset and trying to find whatever excuse you can to get people in trouble because they were being silly and it doesn't conform to your RP standards.

Edited December 1, 2015 by Guest

[rrrrrr]

From what I saw - I was only here towards the very end of the round - it was shit. About 3/4ths of the station had converged together in the security lobby to capture an energy shield holding dionaea, including a gun toting CMO for reasons I'll never fully be able to comprehend. I think everyone should just accept that it was a shitty deadhour round and move on. It was 3 Am and there were less than 30 people on.

[LetzShake]

Here's some more highlights

 

Solomon Goldstein Begins to wheep

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Listen to me ok"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "I have aids"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "You have to understand"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Catches tears in water bottle for reuse later"

Issac Garneys (follow) [145.9] says, "Ok"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "ok"

Solomon Goldstein Begins to wheep

Issac Garneys (follow) [145.9] says, "Who wants to team up and fight the queen black dragon"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "who wants to team up and fight the queen black dragon"

~Solomon then proceeds to take all of Issac's gear. Issac does nothing about this~

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Woah"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Where did your shoes go"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "They just disapeared"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Aids"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "I have it"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Woah where did suit go"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Woah all your things"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Just dissapeared"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "How strange"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "They are just dissapearing"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "So very strange"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Haha"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Haram"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "They just disspeared"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Poof"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Haha"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "I have aids"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "I'm sure they'll turn up on Ebay later brother"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Anyways you can take my job haha"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "My job was gay"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Haha"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Yes brother"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) [145.9] yells, "I AM NOW SELLING AUTHENTIC JANITOR MERCH!!"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) yells, "I AM NOW SELLING AUTHENTIC JANITOR MERCH!!"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Hey"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Brother"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "You want to buy Authentic Janitor Merch"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Sure haha"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) [145.9] yells, "500 thalers!!"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) yells, "500 thalers!!"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Let me get my credit card"

Robert Spenlow snores.

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Whoops

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Okay haha"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Where is it"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Woah"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "I have no credit card"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Look at that"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Oh"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "There it is"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Actually"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Just give me your number"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "And I will sell you the things"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "I will get money myself"

Solomon Goldstein (follow) says, "Good price"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Well"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Number is 203903"

Issac Garneys (follow) says, "Pin is 8203"

 

So he gave his gear AND bank information to this guy. Boy this is some high quality RP that involves absolutely no metabuddying.

"I HAVE AIDS HAHA"

Also at no point does Issac deny knowing Goldstein.

[halorocks22]

And the fact that Solomon Goldstein was looking for his 'brother' when you played Shlomo Goldstein in the round previously is totally just coincidence too, right?

RIGHT. Most believable story, I'm sorry, lets call the whole thing off, no way is this guy a blatant liar trying to get out of being caught completely red handed. Nope. Not what's going on here at all. Clearly it's coincidental that you went out of your way to meet someone (who at no point called you out by name before you responded), playing a similar character to a character you played in a previous round, with the same surname. You let him have all your gear, walked around naked, then you both agreed to join the syndicate (Self-Described pirates and terrorists, who kill people. All their own words, in this very round), after you were recruited into that organization by a person playing as a character named after you, copying your idiotic mannerisms.

Yeah, must be a coincidence, what was I thinking, no collusion happening here.

 

It actually is, lmao. How the hell was I supposed to know that somebody was going to copy my character? I guess that whoever he was, he just got inspired and decided to find me.

Thank you for recognizing that this is a coincidence, Letz Shake. It's nice to see that people are willing to accept other people's viewpoints these days. But uh, just for your information, I told you in my earlier post about why I told him my location. It was because I thought it was worth at least meeting somebody who wants to interact me - again, I will say that it was not to metabuddy. I don't know who Shlomo Goldstein was. And his player was banned, by the way. I also told you why I didn't bother taking my gear back. Frances explained why she played a character named after me and her reason doesn't even show a hint of metabuddying. Finally, I personally agreed to join the Syndicate but I don't know if Solomon did. Frances did ask Solomon to join (which I think she did after I already left or basically went AFK, correct me if I'm wrong) but I'll repeat that I still don't know if Solomon actually joined. Nothing more to say.

Take a chill pill, Letz Shake. You're really zealous about all this.

[halorocks22]

So he gave his gear AND bank information to this guy. Boy this is some high quality RP that involves absolutely no metabuddying.

"I HAVE AIDS HAHA"

Also at no point does Issac deny knowing Goldstein.

 

No, I never explicitly told him to piss off. But, by the fact that I tried to passively get him to piss off (by telling him I have aids and such) it's pretty damn apparent I wanted him gone. Do you think I would've tried to shoo away a friend of mine?

As for the bank account, I just gave that away because I, again, wanted him gone. Currency does nothing in this game, don't lynch me.

[Frances]

I dunno, the logs posted do show that they were fucking around, and letting someone strip you completely while laughing about it is definitely pushing the limits of "acceptable" silly RP, so Halo should probably get a talking to about this.

But I still don't understand how it's a proof of metabuddying, or a metacommunication issue. What sort of out-of-perspective information was communicated? How did the players team up to gain an unfair advantage?