Staff Complaint: SierraKomodo, AimlessAnalyst, DO Corps

[Skull132]

Alright. Once Tishina and Sierra roll around, we can get first bit squared away. Then I'll look at the logs and shit, and look over Jenna's actions with her, and hopefully that'll be that. One headache less for everyone.

Also, for the purposes of clarification. Jennalele is a Secondary Admin, who was retired for a period of 1 to 2 months around September/October.

[Xelnagahunter]

Just so that it's not hearsay... Yes I am CCIA Greg Ashcraft. Yes I tagged along and ICly it was for a show that CC was serious given a captain level arrest was made. OOCly I was there to observe and attempt to become a better DO myself by seeing how event such as this can be handled. I will admit that a few too many shenanigans happens, such as the BStech, to kill my suspension of disbelief. Hindsight it was a bad idea to agree that it would be nifty to see, and I can see how the pile of people plus ghosts who made themselves known in LOOC could make someone think shit was going down for the sake of shit. Who knows, you didn't mention it so you might have not even thought about it, but yeah. Given conversation behind the scenes, I noticed no intended malice against you on a personal level. Our intent when going was purely driven between 2 things, the faxes received, and us having a desire to do something.

I'm not sure if it clarifies anything, but my post confirms a thing and gives an informal apology for your perceived slights and a small explination for the mindset I noted with Sierra while going in. Aimless and whoever played the other escort were purely tag alongs as required for DO arrivals.

[SierraKomodo]

I'm just going to toss in here that the pre-meeting 'suspension' was CC ordering /both/ the Captain and the Head of Security to be temporarily relieved of duty until the duty officer was able to speak with everyone in person and get a final idea of what actually happened. Alongside that, I'd waited until after the CT vote went through before sending anything so I'd know if there was time for that meeting (If the CT vote passed, I'd have just sent a message saying an internal investigation was being opened, and that all parties should expect to hear from a DO in the future).

I hadn't intended for the temporary relief of duty to become both of your IDs being suspended; That's just how the other heads of staff interpreted it which was another communication error on my part I suppose.

To answer Skull, it jumped up to a suspension because he pulled a stunt ICly that, if this were an actual job, would have resulted in similar actions I'm fairly certain. Being reprimanded for something you did, then backtalking the superior who's reprimanding you and going to sleep on the desk doesn't make a good impression. But, as Skull said, I did bring up retconning the suspension:

 

TishinaStalker - Yesterday at 11:38 AM

I, personally, feel like if he appeals the suspension, then to be lenient towards it. It's sorta the same MO we have with bans for logging out on ahelps. Ban appeals mainly work as opening a line of communication.

SierraKomodo - Yesterday at 11:39 AM

I was more thinking along the lines of just retconning that part.

TishinaStalker - Yesterday at 11:39 AM

That could work too.

SierraKomodo - Yesterday at 11:39 AM

OOC frustrations can result in acting out of character

 

And I'm still perfectly fine with going this route; I'm not sure if admins need to approve on this or not though.

[Skull132]

Well, at that point, why not use this as a line of communication? I mean, it's not specifically an appeal, but it is one (if we can stop with the wall of texting v.v ).

[Ove]

I realize that you find that me quitting in the middle of a meeting was bad, and I know that. But what else was I going to do? I couldn't inform anyone through any means of OOC text, and I'm not going to announce to the entire server that I'm angry as fuck and just want to stop being called a horrible HoS, even if it wasn't directly said, it was very certainly implied. But I was just really upset, and I would have announced that I'm going to calm down if I could have. I had to settle for telling you all IC'ly. Which is why I didn't just wordlessly log off.

Why would I write an appeal for a situation that shouldn't have happened in the first place? I'm serious about this, I still don't believe the meeting was required, the only thing that was required was what Skull exactly said. "You shouldn't have arrested the Captain, please let him go and don't do this kind of thing again." Is this unacceptable to think of? :/ I was very respectful in my first faxes and you can probably tell that I was very tentative, albeit in a subtle manner.

If I'm going to resort to making an appeal, then I've had done everything here for nothing. Every single word I've written, right down the drain. I'm sorry, but I'm going to stand by what I've said so far. The fact of the matter is, intentional or not, we both fucked up, Sierra. Who's was worst, I'll let everyone else decide, but that's something that we're not getting away from. You know what would be ideal? If we scrap this issue, and act as if nothing happened. I'll rescind my complaint against Aimless, because, again, I shouldn't have even gotten so upset at her, due to the meeting that shouldn't have been.

Of course a good number of you are probably going to scoff at that, but whatever. I'm respectfully standing up for what I believe in, and you're free to input your opinions if you'd like.

[Skull132]

Well, I mean, it's a little lately to completely scrap everything forever and ever.

I used this complaint to locate and identify matters that need adjustment (such as asking all DOs to make their orders clear if they're actually meant to be orders). The very least you can do here is to take away two things from this:

- First, please try your best to actually try and enter a situation like this without assuming direct malice if no evidence for it exists. I get it, you're pissed off, but literally half of your posts are shitflinging and relatively baseless accusations, or accusations made out of context. Are the issues highlighted legitimate? Yes some are, otherwise I wouldn't be here addressing them. But the rest could have been left at the door, in return for a much calmer discussion for everyone involved.

- Second, you learned that arresting a captain for exceeding official powers because they lack paperwork on a relatively mundane promotion is not supported by the article itself. At least, as far as staff, both IC (DOs) and OOC (administrative) are concerned.

Also, for future reference. ((OOC stuff here)) in the say verb is also an acceptable form of LOOC.

Just saying that all of this was for naught would be a bit silly as this point, in my opinion v.v

[Ove]

But

 

Nah, but in all seriousness, Ihintza was suspicious that the Captain would just do this out of the blue without telling anyone, and she was concerned that since the assistant was so young and had no records whatsoever, on top of being granted access to the Bridge, given a headset that can listen in on Security, and basic access to all departments barring Security, that she could have literally just been some trash that was picked up from some backwater colony and applied for a job in Nanotrasen with the hopes of causing mischief. Like, is this really so unreasonable? We have Assistants with no records whatsoever, constantly breaking into places on the station all the damned time. Are they antags, most of the time? No, they're not. Why is it so hard to believe that she was acting in tandem with her loyalty implant regarding this? Yes, arresting the Captain without faxing Nanotrasen first was wrong, but god damn, why has no one even thought of this yet? This is a completely realistic and believable reason to check out both the Captain and the assistant. For all Ihintza knows, this could have been an elaborate plot by the Syndicate, and the assistant could have been a sleeper agent. You never fucking know, and there are reasons that Ihintza both has scars to prove her experience, and why she takes her job so seriously.

 

Nnnnnnnngggghhhhh. Is this really that unbelievable to think? It's why I did what I did, because we can't just have this every now and then, it's exactly how security breaches are made and if that assistant was in fact a sleeper agent sent by the Syndicate, guess who'd be fucked. I mean, I'm just saying. Is this part really that inadmissable?

And yeah, I realize that it's gotten to the point beyond forgetting everything, hence why I said it would be ideal for it to happen. Yeah, there was a lot of shit-flinging, but if you can look past that, you can see that I'm bringing up legitimate issues. such as the DOs acting like autonomous robots who're devoid of any soul whatsoever, to just name one :/

I'm just saying. The meeting shouldn't have happened at all, and everything in this complaint stemmed from it. Doesn't it make sense to cut it out of the picture? Aimless knows they fucked up, Sierra probably knows they fucked up, and of course, I most of all know that I fucked up. Why should this not be resolved in the manner that you suggested? I really would appreciate it if the meeting was scrubbed. All Sierra needs to do is acknowledge what I'm saying right now, and it's as simple as that. You think that I'm trying to prompt them to do it? Of course I am. It's a setting which shouldn't have existed, should the proper information have been relayed to me, and by now, everyone knows that. Why should my record be stained with something that shouldn't have existed, asdjfnakljsdn

[SierraKomodo]

A quick clarification. It was the suspension, and only the suspension, as a result of you leaving that I was talking about retconning. The meeting, and the official warning you were originally going to receive after the fact were still going to be canon. If admins want to scrub that as well, it's up to them.

[Ove]

I still believe that everything could have been cleared up and avoided with one simple fax saying that I did a bad and to not do it again as opposed to an official warning, but very well, I'll leave that decision up to the administrative staff as well. I do appreciate you prompting the removal of Ihintza being fired, make no mistake.

[Skull132]

I mean. I'll be frank: I don't really care how the IC bit of this ends up. At least, not directly.

But like, there is one major issue left unresolved, and it's something that I am going to put onto the table: as said, I understand, you were pissed off, but that can only carry you so far in a defence. A good few commentators already touched on your attitude, and much like the staff-related issues you present, your attitude also requires some sort of review and resolution with it. Because, if we end up with another complaint that involves this much liquid hate over a mistake made by staff (and guess what, we can't really give you insurance on them never happening again), then I don't know, I would feel like all of this was for naught. Tracking what I'm saying?

[Ove]

Completely understandable and what I've made known from the start: I'm not hiding anything whatsoever. I'm speaking the truth, and it's what I've been doing since I started this complaint. That being said, I know that I have a temper, as I've stated many times before. I completely get it, if you're going to make assurances for me, you're going to want something in return, and that's for me to stop being sharp as a sword. Am I fair in making this assessment? If I'm not, then whups, sorry e.e

Buuuut anyway. The main reason that I was so upset was because I was being silenced by the staff, who I believed and still do, have a problem with me completely based off of their opinion of me. Try to reason with me all that you'd like, I've realized that Sierra wasn't as bad as I thought they were, but I have not been made aware of any indication or evidence that Aimless is in fact, welcoming me with open arms back as Ihintza. Scoff and deliberate as much as you'd like, I've received no evidence thus far, and this is my express opinion that likely isn't going to be changed, unless I'm made aware of something that's been hiding from me, at which point I will formally apologize and of course, attempt to make amends. But yeah, that's that.

I know that I can be a volatile person, and to reiterate on my previous point, I was getting so upset in my complaint because people just weren't paying attention to what I was saying, and were cherrypicking from my words. That's probably attributed to the fact that I wrote so much, but I'm an avid writer, as you lot can probably tell. I just can't help myself.

I can't make any express promises or guarantees, much like Skull can't promise me that the staff will always be 100% right in every scenario. I've heard it from countless people, "Ove, you're a pretty cool cat" "Ove's a pretty good roleplayer" "Ove's pretty alright" Do you really think I want that sullened by "...Until I saw him raging on the forums." No, I don't want that. I don't get off on being a ball of tar, I hate getting so upset like this. But like I said before, it's a part of me, just like someone with ADHD who can't sit still. Of course I'm going to try my fucking hardest not to get so upset, but in the post where I said that I came back after seeing The Revenant, I was in a pretty good mood. You can see where I started to go sour, and again, it's because of cherrypicking/false accusations.

I'm sorry, I really am, to everyone that was subject to my words. I don't want to come across as an asshole every time I put something on the forums, but it's an unfortunate trend that I've been forced into nowadays. I'm really not as bad as I seem when I'm ranting like that, I promise I'm not.

But as for Skull? I can't completely quell your fears of me spitballing words like a machinegun if I'm abused in the future by your staff, but it's definitely something that I'm working on, and it's definitely. Something that I don't want to happen again. As you can hopefully tell, I'm speaking from the bottom of my heart here when I say that I regret having such an awful temper.

Edited January 27, 2016 by Guest

[SierraKomodo]

I still believe that everything could have been cleared up and avoided with one simple fax saying that I did a bad and to not do it again as opposed to an official warning, but very well, I'll leave that decision up to the administrative staff as well. I do appreciate you prompting the removal of Ihintza being fired, make no mistake.

 

That was mostly a communication error on my part; I'd thought that fax had made it clear enough what the issue was when I sent it.

[Ove]

I'm more-so just waiting on what the final verdict is, here. Also, am I permitted to play HoS Ihintza again? And is there going to be a warning, or are you lot feeling generous? I'm just curious, I want this issue to be over already.

[Skull132]

Gonna be gathering opinions from the admins before making a final decision. Means we should be good to go like, tomorrow morning.

My personal proposal is to remove the suspension at the very least. The warning I wouldn't really care about, as, as long as the offence doesn't repeat, the warning will simply expire. We'll see what the rest think.

Though, as a note. While I cannot speak for Jenna 1 to 1, I think she probably won't really care whether or not you play Livingstone. Her concerns are more towards your OOC attitude, which this topic also serves as a very bad example of (as you yourself realized).

[Jennalele]

Skulls last post pretty much hits my sentiments on the head of the nail. My concerns are not that serious in regards to Livingstone herself, though I believe you have work to do to ensure this sort of thing doesn't happen IC(and the resulting ooc) again. If you'd like help with that, I'm welcome to being PM'ed or pagered.

[Tenenza]

I think this seems to be in a psuedo-settled state, so if one wishes to add anything else, I'll archive.