Ove Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 BYOND Key: Ove Staff BYOND Key: SierraKomodo, AimlessAnalyst Reason for complaint: I was planning on drafting this after Wednesday due to my exams happening this week, but with the silence of Sierra and the amount of time that's already been wasted, I didn't think it'd be smart to put it off for another day. So, here I am. And please, if anything sounds offensive, edgy, salty, or anything of the like, it's purely coincidental and my intent is not to offend, or otherwise come across as immature. That being said, let's get to the nitty gritty. So, the Captain (Zander Moon) promoted a female Assistant who's 19, to "Captain's Assistant", complete with the job title, his own spare headset, and additional access. I frowned at this, considering that I've been around so many Captains who do this just because they want to for no reason other than "Just because." So, I ask him this over the Command channel, and he confirms that he did indeed promote an assistant to her current position. Very well, I call him over to the Brig to speak to him about it. Once again, I confirm if whether or not he actually did it, and lo and behold, the assistant in question is with him. Ihintza and the assistant stare one another down as she questions the Captain, and after a short delay, Ihintza asks to see the paperwork involved in the promotion, just to make sure that everything was in order. After all, she's loyalty implanted, and she can't have a Captain who's illegally promoting people. She's been around long enough to know the fine line between right and wrong, and promoting someone to your assistant just because with no record of it whatsoever is in fact, wrong. So, I ask for the paperwork. He doesn't have it on him. Well, that's acceptable, it's natural not to keep such documents on your person at all times. I ask him where it is. He doesn't know. Wait, what? I ask him that we need to go get it, and he suggests that we search his workplace for it. Very well, that's acceptable as well. I keep asking him to lead the way, yet he never budges. I prompt him over and over again. Twenty minutes pass, since he stepped into the Brig. He still hasn't led me to believe that this document exists at all. Ihintza also had to step out due to an issue in the Bar, and once she came back, the Captain was still there, no documents. Then, she ended up just prompting him to follow her instead. They both go on, up to the Bridge, and then to the Captain's office. He then searches his filing cabinets, nothing's there. He searches the HoP's cabinets. Nothing's there. He ends up admitting that he doesn't have it, and there you go. It isn't my fault that the Captain couldn't provide proper paperwork for his now-illegal promotion, and so as the HoP was dozing off at his desk, being AFK of course, I prompted, not ordered, the Captain to ask the assistant to come back to hand in her ID and Captain's headset, due to her being put back to assistant. Through no fault of this was hers, and even though she was disrespectful and snippy towards me, I didn't believe that she deserved punishment, and she was let go scott-free, as she should have been. So the Captain willingly comes with us to the Brig, and he's put in a cell for Exceeding Official Powers. I did not force him to serve the full time. He was put in for ten minutes, as opposed to the fifteen and a demotion. See, this is where I got a bit nervous, because I wasn't absolutely 100% confident in this. So, literally right after punching the time in, I went to my office and faxed Nanotrasen, informing them right off the bat that the Captain was arrested for Exceeding Official Powers, that he was in a cell serving time, and I asked them if I did in fact, make a mistake by doing this, a mistake that I would happily accept and learn from it. There were a few more faxes exchanged, before the Command staff were asked to submit their own reports. That is, the entire station was subject to this message. As in, this was starting to get a bit bigger than it needed to be. Nevertheless, since I didn't even receive confirmation on whether or not Ihintza did a bad, after an hour and forty minutes into the shift, she went on break in the Bar and simply sat down at a table, drinking a glass of water, as is her norm when she's relaxing. Oliver Roadman, the Chief Engineer, joined her, and they had a pleasant conversation for a few minutes. Then, it happened. A wall of text in fax form announced to the entire crew. "The Captain and HoS are to be suspended. Their loyalty implants are going to be checked. We're coming aboard to deal with this 'Unwarranted arrest, and poor display of behaviour'" and other inane blabber. Lol, the fuck? I was very surprised and discontent at this remark, seeing as how I drafted an arrest warrant against the Captain before asking him to come with me. If the Duty Officer in question, SierraKomodo, actually paid attention, then perhaps this situation could have been dealt with a bit easier. Nevertheless, I agreed and handed in my ID to be changed. The HoP, played by PumpkingSlice, was, I dare say, extremely rude and confrontational. I will admit that I was also upset, but damn. Spouting line after line of robotic-sounding nonsense against me in an extremely passive-aggressive attitude doesn't serve to make anyone's mood better. So yes, blah blah blah, every single Command staff member is forced to attend the meeting in the Meeting Room with the four snowflake DOs and their super-secret-special Staffmember bodyguards. Yeah, I get it, y'all like to make a scene by being silent and tough, good for you. And leading the charge, is Jonathan Rase (I'm not sure if I spelled that correctly, my apologies.) played by SierraKomodo. Who, may I add, in my opinion, been extremely passive-aggressive towards me both IC and in LOOC. I remember when he was under my command once playing a young Tajaran female who wore bright blue pants, a red hat turned backwards, and her jumpsuit rolled down. Well, there was no shortage of arguments between us both IC and LOOC as previously mentioned, and I was starting to get a bit suspicious that they didn't enjoy my company. Like, at all. Pssh, whatever, as if I care if people don't like me, of course that's going to surface, given my character. So anyway, the meeting was getting increasingly heated, and Sierra is all over the place. "The arrest you made was illegal, unwarranted, and you never informed Command of it AT ALL!"...Unless, I did? Another Command member spoke up and confirmed that I did in fact, tell everyone that I've arrested the Captain on the grounds of Exceeding Official Powers, and that he was serving time, not being demoted. This was also mentioned in their fax, contrary to Mr. Rase's statements. He then humbly apologizes and brushes it off. Honest mistake, right? Guess you're Human, too-- Oh, wait. He then goes on to say that Security has been getting barrages of complaints over the past few years, and that he's just been working so hard to rectify that. I'm not going to deny that, of course being a DO is a big job. However, he then goes on to say that "Perhaps I've just been focusing on the wrong area. It shames me to see that we currently have a very, /very/ bad example of a Head of Security with is right now." Or something of the like, and that's when I just decided, "Y'know what? This guy really is out to ruin my day. I'm not going to stay, because I'm only going to get more upset." And so, I bid them adieu and informed everyone that I was tired, and I logged off. Bit of a shitty move in the middle of the meeting I know, but I was fuming, and being called a shit HoS who's a very, very poor example of Security. Lol. In what regard? Ensuring that I have order on the station? Not wanting corrupt heads of staff promoting whoever they feel like it and giving them access with no record of it whatsoever? Actually taking a bit of time off to confirm the fact that I'm not just a mindless NT drone, and that Ihintza actually has some personality and thoughts of her own? Please, please explain to me how I'm a "Horrible example of Security and a bad HoS." I'm actually daring people to come forth and give me proof that Ihintza is a bad Head of Security. I'm pretty much daring everyone. This is a gross misuse of authority, and I dare say, meta-hating. Not only could this have been solved with "Yes miss Livingstone, you did a bad by arresting the Captain. Bad girl, don't do it again." in response to my first fax, asking if I did anything wrong by arresting the Captain for Exceeding Official Powers. Which for the record, I still believe was correct given how it isn't in the Captain's authority to just promote someone in a non-emergency, give them a headset that can listen in to every single channel on the station, along with additional access to every Department barring the Brig, all without telling anyone of it happening, (I had to call him out on it) having no record of it whatsoever, and not giving her at least a loyalty implant. Even an announcement to everyone could have been done. If I am wrong in this regard though, and I would very much appreciate a third party instead of PumpKingSlice, Aimless, or SierraKomodo answering me, that I did do wrong by arresting the Captain for ten minutes with the use of a warrant, informing the Command staff, and not stripping him of anything whatsoever, then I will happily accept that I made a mistake in that regard. I've created this complaint against SierraKomodo because I believe they are in fact, meta-hating against me and have had an inexplicable grudge or displeasant nature against me for a while, now. Why else would they go through all of this trouble instead of just sending one fax back saying that I was wrong, and to release the Captain from his ten-minute coffee break in a cell. Why else would they announce that I'm being suspended to everyone on the station because I'm a bad Head of Security. Why else have they, and still are, behaving in a passive-aggressive and utterly "NO, I AM THE BOSS AND YOU ARE WRONG, DO NOT SPEAK OUT OF TURN AGAINST ME." I'll even back that statement up with some logs, if you'd like. I believe that since the update where DOs can answer faxes on their own without the intervention of a Staff member, Sierra wanted to knock out two birds with one stone. Demonstrate that the DOs are complete and utter corrupt, lawless asses, and make an example out of Ihintza just because! Woo, don't you love being a DO?! Yeah, whatever. Horrible, blatant misuse of authority, metagrudging, and utter laziness. I say lazy because with a shred of effort, they could have read the faxes completely and established that I did inform Command of everything. But nah, couldn't have a DO admitting that they missed something, or that they're wrong, eh? It would ruin their inhuman, robot-like reputation and they wouldn't be feared anymore. It's not like they were actual people at one time, nope, they're soulless, mindless machines driven by Nanotrasen. The reason I included AimlessAnalyst in this complaint is also a case of metagrudging and extreme passive-aggressive behavior towards me. During the meeting, which I was very upset at due to the ineptitude that I was forced to endure, I made a somewhat-edgy remark in LOOC. I was just about to type something else and then Aimless told me that if I don't cut it out, I'll be muted. Literally the instant right before that was sent, my finger pressed enter and the message was forced through, and what do you know, I was muted. I then commented on this in an adminhelp towards Aimless, and yet again, they immediately became emotional and told me to "knock it off" again. I can't particularly remember what I said, but it very clearly was not an insult, more just expressing my extreme distaste towards this situation, and I agreed that we should handle this IC'ly. I was then muted from Ahelps as well. This is not the way you deal with someone who's upset at this game. It's literally the most childish thing you can do. Sit in the corner, you're in time out. You can't speak to anyone anymore, you're forced to let everyone talk about everything in LOOC, fuck your questions, you can't ahelp either. Yeah, real mature. By the way Aimless, remember when you were a HoS and brigged that one person, and charged him with a whole slew of crimes that were supposed to stack together? Remember when I commented on that that isn't the way you do it? Assault and Assault on a Head of Staff are not to be put together. You choose Assault on a Head of Staff because it's the more serious crime. It doesn't matter if he committed Assault previously and got away with it, he still committed the second act and you do not charge them all together. But whatever, the statement you made in LOOC told me everything. "Ove darling, I know what I'm doing." Heh, evidently so. I suspect you didn't speak to Skull about this, like I suggested. Why is the "Retired Admin" rank even a thing? Clearly they're not Staff anymore, why are they given admin permissions. Aimless, or more commonly known as Jennalele, or whatever their name is, has apparently been away from SS13 for a very long time, yet they were immediately given a position back on the team despite their exodus. She's a highly emotional, unprofessional staff member by the looks of it, and I'd appreciate her position being reviewed once more. She even had an Incident Report filed against her for being an abusive officer. If you don't believe me, check out the incident report filed against Reanne Strafford and give it a read for yourself. The DOs are going to take the case, then they're going to meet with her, and give her a warning not to do this kinda thing again. And remember, there's proof and witnesses to this infraction. What do I get? Immediate suspension, less than a twenty minute decision, nope, she's guilty. What's that? We're ignoring evidence and clear claims that Ihintza may not be guilty? Well, we can't have that, now can we. Evidence/logs/etc: http://puu.sh/mIKLj/3fb48ddf16.png < This is the private message I sent to Kierra upon being informed that I was suspended. Yes, I was very upset in it, and I was being very rude. However, I started to realize that I was going overboard, and it evens out the longer you read it. You'll find that I asked them to reconsider else I'd draft this very complaint, and here it is. IT TOOK ME YEARS BUT HERE'S WHAT I GOT: [17:20:44]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Ceti Basic) It's come to my attention that you've serendipitously hired someone by the name of Kiara Brangwen, who is nineteen, as your personal assistant. [17:20:46]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Ceti Basic) Is this correct? [17:22:47]EMOTE: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove : Ihintza Livingstone frowns, standing with her hands behind her back as she salutes briskly towards Zander. She then focuses her gaze roughly on Kiara. [17:22:58]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Ceti Basic) You have chosen to give this woman your headset, as well? [17:23:12]SAY: Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh/Mofo1995 :(Ceti Basic) Yes, that is a good question. Have you delivered her enhanced access with this promotion? Anything your staff should be aware of accomodating this? [17:23:23]EMOTE: Zander Moon/Omnivac : Zander Moon narrows his gaze "is there an issue?" [17:23:38]EMOTE: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove : Ihintza Livingstone immediately flicks her gaze to his eyes. "There may very well be." -- [17:25:50]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Tradeband) Has there been appropriate paperwork filled out for her sudden promotion? [17:26:38]EMOTE: Zander Moon/Omnivac : Zander Moon Gives a small smile and sighs "I hardly call it a promotion. Think of it as training. Furthermore, she will be with me this shift until I find her unfit or she can not keep up. Do you think that she poses a threat to you or I?" -- [17:28:52]EMOTE: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove : Ihintza Livingstone furrows her brow at him, her hands still clasped behind her back. "That isn't the issue. Do you have the appropriate paperwork filled out for the sudden promotion?" [17:29:15]SAY: Zander Moon/Omnivac :(Ceti Basic) Fair enough. I will bring you a copy myself. -- [17:35:20]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Tradeband) You think that promoting a crewmember and giving them access to all channels without the appropriate paperwork is a minor issue? [17:35:30]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Tradeband) You may very well be arrested for this, Captain. [17:35:31]EMOTE: Zander Moon/Omnivac : Zander Moon gives a slight frown --- Cap was AFK --- [17:45:08]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Ceti Basic) Let's get that paperwork then, hmm? --- [17:47:56]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Ceti Basic) It appears your filing cabinet is empty. [17:48:00]SAY: Zander Moon/Omnivac :(Ceti Basic) Must be in the HoP's office. --- [17:48:46]SAY: Ihintza Livingstone/Ove :(Ceti Basic) And it's not there. [17:48:56]SAY: Zander Moon/Omnivac :(Ceti Basic) Well then. It seems to be missing. As such you'll have to draw up a formal complaint. --- Arrested Captain because no paperwork filled Faxed the DOs about aressting the Captain --- FROM: Jonathan Rase, CCIA, NMSS Odin SUBJECT: RE: Exceeding Official Powers BODY: The position of 'Captain's Assistant', while not an officially recognized position, is a commonly appointed role by various captains on various stations. As such, there are no real requirements for this position beyond whatever requirements the Captain deems necessary. While access to the command channel may seem questionable, we would hope we can trust the decisions of a loyalty implanted captain and his fellow command staff members when it comes to assigning a command level assistant. A lack of paperwork is an issue, and is something that should be addressed. Please ensure the proper paperwork has been filled out, signed, and stamped by the relevant parties. Additionally, we would prefer if paperwork was completed prior to such actions being carried out and officiated. We do not see why it was felt necessary to brig the captain for any amount of time for this situation, unless there were additional concerns or actions violating regulations which we have not yet been informed of; Please provide any additional information if it is available. DTG: 24-18:20-TAU CETI STANDARD-01-2458 SIGN: Jonathan Rase --- Told people over sec comms why Cap was arrested. I am sorry, I couldn't find more, the logs are too long and stuffed with useless stuff. After this fax was received in response to my own, I gave a reply and told them why it was Exceeding Official Powers. Unfortunately, Senpai was not able to include my informing of Command as well, but I assure you, I did in fact inform them several times, as I am hoping either further investigation into the logs or the other Command members can attest to. Yes, I informed Security multiple times as well, and unfortunately, there was some silly asshole who kept on saying things like "IT ISN'T VERY WISE TO KEEP THIS FROM EVERYONE, WHY ARE YOU KEEPING US IN THE DARK" Despite me, saying, multiple times, that the Captain was under arrest and why. There was literally no need to upgrade this to a fax where the entire station could see it, involve an entire DO party, and suspend me based on me co-operating fully. I asked if there was anything I did wrong, you never confirmed that I did in fact do something wrong, you only asked for more information, which I gave. Then, out of the damned blue, you start pulling all of this stupid shit and inform everyone that I'm going to be suspended because "muh reasons." Additional remarks: I'd like the staff to take a serious look at the DO Corps. No, really. They can decide to suspend me with no incident reports filed against me whatsoever, in the span of one round because I arrested the Captain on what I still believe was a legitimate charge against him? Also attributed to their own ineptitude that they couldn't even read everything? This even further proves the point that Sierra has a grudge against me, they were seeing what they wanted to see in the faxes and decided to get a big admin party together, and decided to ignore the fact that Command was made aware of the arrest, because "muh new update, wnat 2 b bigshot, hate the way Ihintza carries herself like she actually knows what she's doing, gettur party togeder, we're going to the stayshun". Lol. Link to comment
SierraKomodo Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Don't currently have the time to read through all of this because of work. However, I can say that originally your character was going to receive an official warning from the DO corps and leave it at that. The meeting was mostly IC fluff, since DOs are supposed to handle everything ICly. What made this become a suspension was this: CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Now that I've seen what occured this shift, I'm starting to think I had my focus in the wrong areas"Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "It's not very obvious to me that the issue may well lie within the heads of security assigned to this station providing a very /very/ bad example of proper conduct as a security official." ÿ!Ihintza Livingstone unbuckled ! Ihintza Livingstone asks, "Is that so?" CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Livingstone. Have a seat." Ihintza Livingstone says, "By all means, ask my Security personnel right now if I am a bad example." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "I plan on it." Ihintza Livingstone says, "Unfortunately, I feel tired, mister Rase." Ihintza Livingstone says, "Very much so,." Zander Moon whispers something. Ihintza Livingstone says, "You will have to inform me on how this ends." Kiara Brangwen nods slowly. Ihintza Livingstone says, "I won't be around to see it." Alex Noels says, "They are /not/ your security personnel. You are not the head of security." ÿ!Ihintza Livingstone buckles in! Oliver Roadman says, "They're her people, Noels." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "If you cannot even have the courtesy to stay and let me finish, you can consider yourself fired." You check Ihintza Livingstone's pulse. *---------* This is Ihintza Livingstone! She is wearing a head of security's jumpsuit with a red tie and a red armband with a shoulder holster. She is wearing an armored trenchcoat. She is carrying a heavy duty flashlight on her armored trenchcoat. She has a leather satchel on her back. She has some black gloves on her hands. She has a security belt about her waist. She is wearing some jackboots on her feet. She has HUDSunglasses covering her eyes. She has a head of security's headset on her left ear. She is wearing PDA-Ihintza Livingstone (Suspended). She isn't responding to anything around her and seems to be asleep. She isn't responding to anything around her and seems to be asleep. She has suddenly fallen asleep. Criminal status: [None] Security records: [View] [Add comment] ÿ!This figure stands at an intimidatin... More... *---------* She has a pulse! Kiara Brangwen says, "..Hhhuh." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Troopers, cuff her." In the middle of being spoken to by the duty officer, your character decided to backtalk him, then say she's going to sleep, and you went SSD. That's basicalyl the IC equivalent of backtalking a mod in ahelp, then quitting when they were talking to you. For the record, the decision I made was run past admins before I went ahead and actually posted it. For anyone that wants to look over them, I saved logs of all the faxxes sent to/from central, and of the meeting that took place in round: Log of all faxxes sent NanoTrasen Inc.Civilian Branch of Operation Form 0109 Situation Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Facility: NSS Aurora Date: 1/24/58 Index: To: Central Command Subject: Exceeding Official Powers The Captain, Zander Moon, promoted an assistant by the name of Kiara Brangwen to "Captain's Assistant". Complete with additional access, and the Captain's spare headset, which allows her access to all channels aboard the station. The assistant in question is nineteen years old, and has no records whatsoever. On top of this, there has been no paperwork whatsoever for the promotion, hence why the Captain was served ten minutes in a cell. I would appreciate feedback and guidance on what to do. Do you want him demoted? Do you want anything done about the assistant? Or do you believe that I have done something wrong? Please get back to me as quickly as possible. Employee: Ihintza Livingstone Signature: Ihintza Livingstone TO: Ihintza Livingstone, Head of Security, NSS AuroraFROM: Jonathan Rase, CCIA, NMSS Odin SUBJECT: RE: Exceeding Official Powers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BODY: The position of 'Captain's Assistant', while not an officially recognized position, is a commonly appointed role by various captains on various stations. As such, there are no real requirements for this position beyond whatever requirements the Captain deems necessary. While access to the command channel may seem questionable, we would hope we can trust the decisions of a loyalty implanted captain and his fellow command staff members when it comes to assigning a command level assistant. A lack of paperwork is an issue, and is something that should be addressed. Please ensure the proper paperwork has been filled out, signed, and stamped by the relevant parties. Additionally, we would prefer if paperwork was completed prior to such actions being carried out and officiated. We do not see why it was felt necessary to brig the captain for any amount of time for this situation, unless there were additional concerns or actions violating regulations which we have not yet been informed of; Please provide any additional information if it is available. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DTG: 24-18:20-TAU CETI STANDARD-01-2458 SIGN: Jonathan Rase NanoTrasen Inc.Civilian Branch of Operation Form 0109 Situation Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Facility: NSS Aurora Date: 1/24/58 Index: To: Central Command Subject: Re: As was stated before, paperwork was not filled out in the slightest for the promotion, and therefore, it was illegal. As such, the Captain misused his authority to grant an assistant additional access on top of his headset while not informing Command as a whole. It's for this reason that he was arrested for Exceeding Official Powers. I believed that while honest mistakes may happen, some things should not be forgotten, especially when it comes to someone in a position as high as the Captain. He also attempted to stall as long as he could when regarded about the location of said paperwork, indicating that, in my opinion, he was either buying time to come up with an excuse, or attempted to get his assistant to draft a form while we were deliberating. As was stated before, the Captain misused his authority by promoting an assistant with no proof of him actually doing so whatsoever, other than the assistant's word. Employee: Ihintza Livingstone Signature: Ihintza Livingstone Central Command Update Statements Requested Following certain fax communications we have received from your head of security, we will now require a full statement, signed and stamped, from all heads of staff currently on duty. The statement will be in regards to the recent incident involving the Captain's arrest due to the promotion of a 'Captain's Assistant'. Please be thorough and honest with your statements. ~CCIA Jonathan Rase Central Command Update RE: Statements Requested An addendum: All heads of staff includes the captain himself. ~CCIA Jonathan Rase TO: Central Command FROM: Acting Captain, Alex Noels - NSS Aurora SUBJECT: Information Request of Incident -------------------- BODY: At approximatley 1800hours, Captain Zander Moon was temporarly dismissed from command staff due to the following reason(s); -Authorizing an assistant additional access without official documents -Abusing authority by applying additional access to an assistant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The arresting personnel of the Captain, Zander Moon was Head of Security, Ihintza Livingstone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Due to events leading to my inactivity I can not provide further information or factual evidence for or against this incident. -------------------- DTG: 183825012458 SIGN: Alex Noels At the start of today's shift after performing my normal start of duty actions I, Captain Zander Moon of The NSS Aurora, saw fit within my capacity as a captain to grant an assistant extra access and a captain's headset with the objectives of 1) Learning more about Nanotrasen's command structure and 2) assisting me with light duties. After I filled out a 0101 form I gave the Assistant additional non-secure access. Shortly thereafter the HoS began to question the assistant's presence during my inspection, asked her to use a door to confirm if she was able to enter the brig on her own. After finding she couldn't. Began to question me about the paperwork, then implied that I had diffrent motives for 'promoting a woman' half my age. We had a short conversation about this and went to locate the form. We did not find it in the HoP's Office nor my own. I then offered to submit myself to formal reveiw for this and was placed under arrest for exceding powers for 10 minutes. I still hold that alteration of the access levels for one shift for training purposes is within my powers. I do not hold it against the HoS for acting on what she thought was correct. zæ´nd?r mu´n TO: Central Command FROM: Oliver Roadman, Chief Engineer. SUBJECT: Incident Statement -------------------- BODY: I wasn't aware of the incident regarding the captain's arrest until he announced he was putting his things away. At this time I merely though he was going to cryo much to my surprise when I found out he was being arrested. The reason for arrest that I was given was Exceeding Offical Powers due to lack of paperwork. It was my understanding the Head of Security had to get confirmation from the other Heads of Staff before proceeding with an arrest something in this case they failed to do. -------------------- DTG: 18:34 01-24-2458 SIGN: Oliver M. Roadman NanoTrasen Inc.Civilian Branch of Operation Form 0109 Situation Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Facility: NSS Aurora Date: 24 January 2458 Index: To: CCIA Jonathan Rase Subject: The situation involving Zander Moon, Captain. It has been requested of all heads of staff to submit a report on othe subject of the captain's detainment following the promotion of Kiara Brangwen to his personal assistant. All though I was no present for the situation, I can, however, report my observations, largely through the command channels. It seemed that Captain Moon had given Brangwen additional access around the station and even a headset which contained access to the command channel without proper paperwork, as reported by Ihintza Livingstone. From there, the proceedigns were largely unobserved by me, as my involvement in the situation only revolved around what I heard coming through the command channel of the headset, including Brangwen speaking on the command channel. Employee: Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh Signature: Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh Central Command Update RE: Statements Requested We've received the requested statements from your station's heads of staff. A brief look through what was sent indicates a potential issue. As such, until we have finished reviewing this information, we are temporarily relieving both Zander Moon and Ihintza Livingstone of their duties, and requesting a review of both person's loyalty implants. A duty officer may be sent to your station to speak with all parties involved depending on the results of this review. ~CCIA Jonathan Rase NanoTrasen Inc.Civilian Branch of Operation Form 0109 Situation Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Facility: Date: Index: To: Central Command Subject: Re: Temporary Relief Ultimately, I fail to see the issue with my actions so far, and believe that I have acted in a fair, and loyal manner to Nanotrasen. I very much trust that when the DO officer arrives, you will rescind my temporary leave and meet me with an apology. Additionally, I would like to be informed on just when said DO will be arriving to the station. [Addendum:] Please fax this to the Bridge, as I am being demoted and will await your reply. Employee: Ihintza Livingstone Signature: Ihintza Livingstone Central Command Update Command Investigation After a thorough review of all information that has been sent to us, we have determined the following: - Head of Security Ihintza Livingstone has exceeded the bounds of their authority by performing an unwarranted arrest on Captain Zander Moon without consulting or gaining approval of other heads of staff before hand. In fact, according to signed statements, the other heads of staff were not aware of this action until we sent an announcement. - Captain Zander Moon had an error in judgement and/or a mistake in not having the proper paperwork filed and completed prior to perform a promotion of Kiara Brangwen to the role of Captain's Assistant. A mistake such as this warrants a correction and completion of the paperwork, not arrest for 'exceeding official powers'. No information has been sent to us to indicate any cause for concern regarding Kiara Brangwen shift-promotion to this position, or the access which was granted to her. A duty officer is now preparing to come aboard the NSS Aurora and conduct a formal investigation into this matter, to ensure all information is accurate. P.S.: We will not issue apologies upon request to personnel whom fail to follow the proper protocols regarding chain of command. Meeting log: CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Now. As it's apparent that the head of security failed to properly inform you.." Alex Noels talks into the head of personnel's headset Sub Alaric does the same, quietly looking over the room with a nuetral facial expression. Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh checks the time on his PDA. *beep* CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Captain Zander Moon promoted Kiara Brangwen here to the position of 'Captains Assistant'." Ihintza Livingstone says, "Actually, that's incorrect." Ihintza Livingstone says, "I did inform them." Ihintza Livingstone says, "Multiple times." Sub Avenburg whispers something. CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Based upon the statements we received, that's incorrect." Alex Noels talks into the head of personnel's headset Ihintza Livingstone says, "Clearly, the Command staff were not paying attention." Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh says, "I believe my situation report included "as reported by Ihintza Livingstone" somewhere in there." Ihintza Livingstone says, "As I -did- inform them, several times, that the Captain has promoted an assistant with additional access with no paperwork over the Command channel." Ihintza Livingstone asks, "See?" CCIA Jonathan Rase asks, "Now, also based upon the statements we received, this promotion did not include any actual changes to Miss Brangwen's access levels. She was only given a headset. Correct?" Ihintza Livingstone says, "No." Ihintza Livingstone says, "As I said, AGAIN. In the REPORTS I made to you." Ihintza Livingstone says, "She was granted additional access as well." Kiara Brangwen says, "Bridge access. I think maintenance, too." Ihintza Livingstone says, "And Science." Ihintza Livingstone says, "And Medical." Alex Noels talks into the head of personnel's headset Oliver Roadman asks, "So. Almost full access?" CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Ah, I misread this particular fax.. She was not given brig access." Zander Moon says, "If I may." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Alright, so she was given access." CCIA Jonathan Rase asks, "Yes, Moon?" Ihintza Livingstone says, "It wasn't all-access." Zander Moon says, "I gave additional access, to only non-sensitive areas that were staffed." CCIA Jonathan Rase nods Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh drums his fingers on the table, reviewing his copy of his situation report. CCIA Jonathan Rase asks, "Now. According to the reports, Captain Zander Moon failed to complete the proper paperwork prior to performing these access changes, correct?" Ihintza Livingstone says, "That's correct." CCIA Jonathan Rase asks, "Anyone else able to confirm or deny this?" Zander Moon points to the chest drawer CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Alaric, check that drawer please." Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh says, "I cannot confrim or deny, as I had heard only claims over comms." CCIA Jonathan Rase points to the chest drawer CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Alright.. Avenburg." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "The drawer in the control room" CCIA Greg Ashcraft stands silently, watching the meeting. *beep* ÿ!Sub Alaric handed NFC-0101 - Additional Access to CCIA Jonathan Rase. Sub Avenburg nods curtly. Ihintza Livingstone says, "As was previously mentioned, Captain Moon failed to present paperwork to me at the appropriate time." Zander Moon says, "As I stated we checked the HoP's Office, and my own. I found it in my bag in front of the HoP and the CE. The Warden had my bag till it was returned by the HoP." Alex Noels says, "I am unable to provide input in the matter due to a sudden influx of space sleep dissorder." Alex Noels says, "At the tiem of the incident." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "So, we do have paperwork for this." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Livingstone. I have a question for you." Ihintza Livingstone says, "I did not see any, and was not informed that the Captain did in fact, have it on him." Ihintza Livingstone says, "There was none presented." CCIA Jonathan Rase asks, "Did you consider simply ensuring the paperwork was properly filled out after discovering you couldn't find it?" ÿCCIA Jonathan Rase has thrown NFC-0101 - Additional Access. Ihintza Livingstone asks, "How would I ensure something's completion if I believed it did not exist?" Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh warbles resembling a chuckle. Kiara Brangwen asks, "Communicating?" Sub Avenburg whispers something. Kiara Brangwen asks, "Isn't that what heads do?" Ihintza Livingstone says, "I did." Ihintza Livingstone says, "Several times." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "The point I'm trying to make, Livingstone, is if someone forgets to file a form" *spoopy* CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "You have them go file that form" CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "You don't brig them and then cause a commotion with Central Command over it" Sub Avenburg holds her tongue, shifting her feet about a half inch further apart. Zander Moon says, "To be fair sirs." *beep* Zander Moon says, "If I may interject once again." CCIA Jonathan Rase turns to Zander and nods Sub Avenburg talks into CentCom Response Team headset Ihintza Livingstone says, "And the point -I- am defending currently, mister Rase, is that we have an issue with Command staff who think they can do whatever they want. While you're probably going to scoff and laugh at that considering my position, I've been around countless Captains and HoPs who simply promote people out of the blue, with no paperwork whatsoever." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Livingstone, silence. I'll be addressing that exact point in a moment." Ihintza Livingstone says, "If paperwork is not presented to me, especially so since mister Moon was stalling and very clearly was not giving it to me or even confirming its existance, then--" Ihintza Livingstone says, "Fine." Zander Moon says, "I went of my own free will, and can not say I was "arrested" exactly." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "My security hud says you're marked as 'Released', implying you were previously arrested" *---------* This is Zander Moon! He is wearing a captain's jumpsuit. He has a captain's backpack on his back. He is wearing some laceup shoes on his feet. He is wearing PDA-Zander Moon (Captain). Criminal status: [Released] Security records: [View] [Add comment] ÿ!A tall man, looming at 2 meters. He ... More... *---------* Zander Moon says, "If anyone should sholder the blame it's me. I let this escalate when I could have pulled rank to stop it, or refiled." Name: Zander Moon Criminal Status: Released Minor Crimes: None Details: No minor crime convictions. Major Crimes: None Details: No major crime convictions. Notes: Offical reveiw for miscounduct 2453, see report #11-6-a2-12-12-2453 [View Comment Log] *beep* CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "In fact, there's even a security note on your record from this shift for it" No comment found [Add comment] Zander Moon says, "That must be an error in paperwork sir..." Zander Moon smiles. CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "I'm sorry but you're not going to talk this down. You brought us here by continuing to fax me, so I'm here." Zander Moon says, "It happens." Alex Noels asks, "Sir, if I may propose a question which is also indirectly being asked to the ex-Head of Security?" *beep* CCIA Greg Ashcraft talks into CentCom Response Team headset CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Go ahead." Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset *beep* Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh talks into Research Director's headset *beep* Alex Noels says, "I would liek to ask /why/ was the /head of security/ looking into an action that was /not/ of their /directives/? Unless the captain and their complace was causing harm to the station or the crew, /why/ was the head of security getting involved? That is /not/ their department to deal with. That was /mine/. Whilst I understand I was SSD, that does not allow them to overstep their boundries and do /my/ job." Alex Noels says, "That is all, sir." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Livingstone, if you would care to answer the question" Sub Avenburg brings the back of her palm to her mouth with a slight cough at the..spiel. Oliver Roadman relaxes into his chair for what will be a long meeting. CCIA Greg Ashcraft shifts about a bit then returns to a rigid stance. Sub Avenburg [Response Team] says, "You should look into recruiting Noels..That was some spiel." Sub Avenburg talks into CentCom Response Team headset CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Oh. It's you again." Alex Noels nods at the BST. Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh lightly is blown back by the outburst, and then uncomfortably shifts in his chair, before settling back quitely. Sub Avenburg nods to the BST. Bluespace Technician sits down on the table Zander Moon frowns. CCIA Jonathan Rase asks, "Right. Livingstone?" Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh talks into Research Director's headset Bluespace Technician pulls a bap of popcorn out of his bag and begins eating it *---------* This is Ihintza Livingstone! She is wearing a head of security's jumpsuit with a red tie and a red armband with a shoulder holster. She is wearing an armored trenchcoat. She is carrying a heavy duty flashlight on her armored trenchcoat. She has a leather satchel on her back. She has some black gloves on her hands. She has a security belt about her waist. She is wearing some jackboots on her feet. She has HUDSunglasses covering her eyes. She has a head of security's headset on her left ear. She is wearing PDA-Ihintza Livingstone (Suspended). Criminal status: [None] Security records: [View] [Add comment] ÿ!This figure stands at an intimidatin... More... *---------* Ihintza Livingstone says, "As I've stated earlier, I've been around enough Captains and Head of Personnels to know that when one has promoted someone who has no paperwork available to present whatsoever, and who has been given over twenty minutes to present it and yet still failed to confirm its existance, it does indeed become a problem. That problem especially blooms when it's the /Captain/ of all people. While I'm not doubting the fact that it is in fact the HoP's position, I believed that action needed to be taken regarding the Captain, and I did." Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh talks into Research Director's headset *spoopy* Sub Avenburg seems..used to BSTs. She focuses on the meeting at hand. Alex Noels asks, "If I may interject again, sir?" CCIA Jonathan Rase asks, "Did you discuss this with the other heads of staff? Did you get approval from the other heads of staff?" Ihintza Livingstone says, "And despite your rather opportunistic approach of renouncing me in front of the entire Crew, it was -not- unwarranted." Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh talks into Research Director's headset Ihintza Livingstone says, "No, I did not ask for the approval of the other Heads of Staff at the time." Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh talks into Research Director's headset CCIA Jonathan Rase asks, "Do you understand what a chain of command and proper protocol is in regards to arresting or demoting a superior officer? Do you know what a 'mutiny' is?" Alex Noels remains silent. Sub Avenburg whispers something. Bluespace Technician pulls a beer out of his backpack Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh casts a glance at Livingstone, his beady eyes conveying curiosity. CCIA Jonathan Rase ignores the fact an entire keg just came out oif the BST's backpack Ihintza Livingstone says, "As you may probably guess, mutiny, in my state, is impossible. Nor would it be in my interests to take his place. Nor do I -care- who takes his place. In fact, I never, at any time, removed his identification card, nor have I ever claimed that he was to be demoted." Ihintza Livingstone says, "In fact. The only person to directly assume control was the HoP as soon as he learned of the Captain's detainment." Ihintza Livingstone says, "Not at any time, did I discuss his demotion." Alex Noels asks, "If I may interject?" Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh looks at the bag of holding with admiration, and winks at the BST. Zander Moon says, "I turned over command as you recall." Ihintza Livingstone says, "I didn't bring it up, nor did I authorize it." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "You may, Noels." Alex Noels nods. Ihintza Livingstone says, "I simply arrested him on Exceeding Official Powers. Nothing more." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "And once Noels is done, I'm going to address the main reason why I'm here, and why we decided to make these announcements public." Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh talks into Research Director's headset Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh talks into Research Director's headset CCIA Greg Ashcraft glances somewhat longingly at the keg before sighing and returning to his 'serious' stance. Alex Noels asks, "Firstly, regardless of the sitaution it did /not/ fall in your deparment. I can confirm this as I am a qualified Head of Security myself. Check my records if you wish. Your arguement on that is mute. Secondly before aquiring the position of acting captain I formly asked all heads of staff to convey their opnion on this matter. /You/ were the only one who did not respond. Through your action, much uneeded headaches were caused. What you did was not of the correct procedure. I am sure I do not have to inform you of that. Do you understand that your actions overstepped your boundries and also the law?" Bluespace Technician stares at the keg, wondering if a kegstand would be in poor taste Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh talks into Research Director's headset Alex Noels says, "The reason you arrested the captain for.." Alex Noels says, "Was also the same law /you/ broke." Alex Noels says, "That is all." Shkor-Dyet Dom'Pesh looks at the bluespace tech, and then the keg, and nods. CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Regulation, not law, but otherwise correct in your assessment." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Now. I want everyone's attention for this" Alex Noels says, "Yes sir." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Not now, agent." Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset Zander Moon sits up Sub Avenburg shifts her stance slightly. CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Over the past year, we have had nothintg but problems and complaints from the security department on this station" Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Everything ranging from minor issues with insults and unprofessionalism, down to more severe issues of excessive use of force, and exceeding official powers" Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Now that I've seen what occured this shift, I'm starting to think I had my focus in the wrong areas" Oliver Roadman talks into the chief engineer's headset CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "It's not very obvious to me that the issue may well lie within the heads of security assigned to this station providing a very /very/ bad example of proper conduct as a security official." ÿ!Ihintza Livingstone unbuckled ! Ihintza Livingstone asks, "Is that so?" CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Livingstone. Have a seat." Ihintza Livingstone says, "By all means, ask my Security personnel right now if I am a bad example." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "I plan on it." Ihintza Livingstone says, "Unfortunately, I feel tired, mister Rase." Ihintza Livingstone says, "Very much so,." Zander Moon whispers something. Ihintza Livingstone says, "You will have to inform me on how this ends." Kiara Brangwen nods slowly. Ihintza Livingstone says, "I won't be around to see it." Alex Noels says, "They are /not/ your security personnel. You are not the head of security." ÿ!Ihintza Livingstone buckles in! Oliver Roadman says, "They're her people, Noels." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "If you cannot even have the courtesy to stay and let me finish, you can consider yourself fired." You check Ihintza Livingstone's pulse. *---------* This is Ihintza Livingstone! She is wearing a head of security's jumpsuit with a red tie and a red armband with a shoulder holster. She is wearing an armored trenchcoat. She is carrying a heavy duty flashlight on her armored trenchcoat. She has a leather satchel on her back. She has some black gloves on her hands. She has a security belt about her waist. She is wearing some jackboots on her feet. She has HUDSunglasses covering her eyes. She has a head of security's headset on her left ear. She is wearing PDA-Ihintza Livingstone (Suspended). She isn't responding to anything around her and seems to be asleep. She isn't responding to anything around her and seems to be asleep. She has suddenly fallen asleep. Criminal status: [None] Security records: [View] [Add comment] ÿ!This figure stands at an intimidatin... More... *---------* She has a pulse! Kiara Brangwen says, "..Hhhuh." CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Troopers, cuff her." Alex Noels says, "Negative. They are assets and tools." Sub Avenburg says, "Yes sir." Alex Noels says, "That is all." Alex Noels says, "Not her people." Oliver Roadman says, "My people ain't assets or tools. They're my team." ÿSub Avenburg is trying to put some handcuffs on Ihintza Livingstone CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "Moon, you've been re-instated as captain." Bluespace Technician starts clibing on the keg in preperation for a kegstand ÿ!Ihintza Livingstone was unbuckled by Sub Avenburg! CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "The rest of you are dismissed." Sub Alaric checks Ihintza Livingstone's pulse. Ihintza Livingstone snores. Alex Noels says, "See them as you wish, but they are not her property. Especially with her suspension." Alex Noels says, "Yes sir." Link to comment
Ove Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 As the logs can attest to, I fell asleep as soon as I was buckled back into the chair. I was not in fact, aware of the final statement made by mister Rase, as I had logged off previously. That's like saying "You were sick and had to stay home from work today? Well I gave a surprise meeting at work today, you're fired!" Yeah, okay. Absolutely nothing to hide via the faxes, nor the logs of the meeting. As you can tell, I was upset at this whole fiasco. Backtalk? Because I was being accused of being a horrible HoS and a very, very poor example of a HoS. Rase has never seen her in action before. Rase has never dealt with an IR against her. Rase hasn't even met with her before. This is literally straight-up meta-hate or metagaming if you're going to accuse her of being a horrible HoS and a very, very poor example of Security based on one incident that you oversee, which I still remain adamant that I did the right thing. So yes, I left. I'm not going to just sit here and be told that I'm shit for asking if I did anything wrong, and if you're going to fire me for leaving because I'm upset, even though I had no knowledge of you firing me for doing so, then I'm going to file a complaint against you for very. Obvious. Reasons. You say that the administrators were informed of this? Would you mind giving me a list of the administrators in question? I know for a fact Aimless will be on that list, why am I not surprised that she of all people approved it. Yet another meta-grudger against me. Link to comment
Guest Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 You (Ove) intentionally logged out of an important meeting with a DO (read as: someone who can easily take your job), in an effort for them to figure out what the hell went on. Even if you were guilty, at the very most you were going to get an IC warning. Had you not quit. Did you think about that? Instead you took the chickenshit way out and, without any OOC warning mentioning where you were heading off to, logged when it seemed like you were gonna be in trouble. And I don't know if you know this, but heads of staff are held underneath greater scrutiny than your average low-level crewmember. Unlike the latter, the former set of characters happen to be more established and known on the server and it's rather simple to get a hold of their players, too. I'm not going to just sit here and be told that I'm shit for asking if I did anything wrong, and if you're going to fire me for leaving because I'm upset, even though I had no knowledge of you firing me for doing so, then I'm going to file a complaint against you for very. Obvious. Reasons. Fair enough, considering you RQ'd out of a DO meeting, without warning on your own part. Communication is critically important as a head of staff, whether it be with your peer whitelistees, your boss in the workplace, or with your subordinates. You are not leading a very good example if you believe you were right in SSDing when you were supposed to be answering questions to your boss. CCIA Jonathan Rase says, "It's not very obvious to me that the issue may well lie within the heads of security assigned to this station providing a very /very/ bad example of proper conduct as a security official." This seems to be more of a point driven towards your conduct in arresting the captain for what could be construed as a non-criminal corporate violation. If you took it as an insult, you're uh, well, being dumb, sorry. Under Standard Operating Procedure, the head of security is simply NOT permitted to arrest the captain without first consulting with Central Command. You arrested the captain without that express permission, which makes you no better than the captain who was violating procedure by not filing paperwork for performing the task of reassignment. In order for any level of sanity or purity of the chain of command to be preserved, you ALWAYS file non-outstanding issues above the defendant's rank. You complain to the captain when the HoS executes a prisoner, you complain to the HoS when shitcurity is beating you, and so on. When it comes to the captain, you fax Central immediately, no questions asked unless the captain is being a destructive retard. Criminal charges (such as stealing, assaulting, killing, etc.) are okay to act upon, CC would prefer you arrest an aggressive criminal even if they are the captain before contacting them about it. However, if it's no more than a mild corporate misdemeanor, then back off, think, and then file upward. And no, this isn't my fucking opinion, this is how the Aurora works and has always worked. Stay in line, and there should never be an issue like this again. Here's the DO appeal forum http://www.aurorastation.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=98 with a fun little format attached below. Maybe if you apologize and agree to explain what happened, you can get your suspension lifted? Link to comment
TishinaStalker Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 This was run through me as well, if you want another name on that list of admins, and I'm also the main Duty Officer admin overseer. I was explicitly informed by Sierra that if you hadn't logged on him, then you would've simply received a warning. I found it to be totally reasonable in my opinion. Logging on a DO talking to you is like if you logged in the middle of an ahelp. If you intentionally logged out on me while I'm talking to you about a rule you broke or I'm perceiving you as being in the wrong, then you're right I'm going to put a temp ban or some form of punishment on you. I, personally, believe you should've had a little more foresight on this situation. You wouldn't log out on an admin talking to you in ahelps because then you know for a fact that you will be punished. Why log out on an IC disciplinary staff in the middle of them talking to you then? If anything, then you should've cleared this up with the DO first in LOOC, and work from there instead of intentionally logging out without any communication. Our staff is much more reasonable than you're perceiving them to be, but you took the unreasonable route in logging out without clearing it up first outside of saying IC'ly "I won't be here to see it" and then leaving. This even further proves the point that Sierra has a grudge against me, they were seeing what they wanted to see in the faxes and decided to get a big admin party together, and decided to ignore the fact that Command was made aware of the arrest, because "muh new update, wnat 2 b bigshot, hate the way Ihintza carries herself like she actually knows what she's doing, gettur party togeder, we're going to the stayshun". Lol. Also, what? I feel like you're being completely and totally irrational on this point. Once again, our staff is a lot less biased then you are perceiving them to be. As someone that chats with both Jen and Sierra on occasion, also as someone who has the ability to see all of their communication on server, and as someone who people complain to about heads of staff (since I've been working on heads of staff whitelists since I was moderator over a year ago), I can assure you I've heard two complaints on Ihihtza as a head of security before and neither of them were from Sierra. That being said, I really do feel like your point in the Additional Remarks section is misguided, and I'm trying to help guide you in it. Could Jenna have handled your remarks in LOOC better? Definitely, and it's situations like that, that staff use in order to improve for the future, and I'll be bringing it up to her. Was Sierra being biased in the handling of your situation though? I don't believe so, especially after looking into the situation and being told by Sierra why he carried out his punishment. Anything else I can do to help you understand on this? Link to comment
Ove Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 It figures that you (1138) decided to take part in this, too. You don't even attempt to misconstrue the fact that you have outright hate against me. And before you go "Well, Ove's just pullin' the victim card now, everyone hates'em." Remember that one time where Ihintza was suddenly reminded to re-install the power cell in Departures? Well, you had no quarter for holding back on that one. Absolutely off the handle, no way a Head of Security should know how to change a power cell. It isn't as easy as prying it open and replacing it, no sir! Lol. You (Ove) intentionally logged out of an important meeting with a DO (read as: someone who can easily take your job), in an effort for them to figure out what the hell went on. I'll stop you right there. As a matter of fact, no, that's incorrect. At least, mostly. You're right about the fact that they had no idea what the hell was going on, due to them not even being able to read faxes properly. However, everything else, they were in perfect contentment with. As was stated by myself multiple times now, have they had read the faxes in an appropriate, actual professional manner, we wouldn't be having this entire fiasco, now would we? Instead you took the chickenshit way out and, without any OOC warning mentioning where you were heading off to, logged when it seemed like you were gonna be in trouble. Again, no. You're hopelessly bantering against me, either due to your own distaste against me, or failing to even recognize that I'm a human being as well, with their own side to the story. I knew that I was "in trouble", but at no time did I "pussy out" and leave because of it. But then again, I'd hardly define this as being in trouble when the DOs are half-way incompetent. But hey, they could not be. They really could just be doing all of this because that's the proper procedure, and that's how every case is ha--...oh wait, no it isn't. When's the last time you saw a wall of text being sent to the station, along with four Nanotrasen representatives calling a meeting of all heads of staff? Yeah, I can't remember either. Communication is critically important as a head of staff, whether it be with your peer whitelistees, your boss in the workplace, or with your subordinates. You are not leading a very good example if you believe you were right in SSDing when you were supposed to be answering questions to your boss. Well, you must think of me as a mighty fine idiot if you don't know that I know communication is key, and obviously you aren't too bright yourself if you think that I'm stupid enough not to know that. I preach that communication is key. I say it to my Security team all the time. Report if you're making an arrest. Report if you're entering and leaving maintenance tunnels. Do not enter a situation you don't know if you can handle and not tell anyone. Always report when you're bringing someone in. Yeah, I know that communication is key. That isn't the issue. You must be as inept as the DOs to assume that I didn't communicate properly with them. Have you read the faxes sent? I explained everything in a very detailed, simplified manner. Yet of course, they raised the issue higher and higher and higher, until it got to the point where they just decided "Yeah, let's make this a big thing." Nice try, though. This seems to be more of a point driven towards your conduct in arresting the captain for what could be construed as a non-criminal corporate violation. If you took it as an insult, you're uh, well, being dumb, sorry. Your distaste against me is duly noted, and oh-so-appreciated. You don't like me, I don't like you, I get it. You obviously have not dealt with what I have against Sierra, and it's to the point where them speaking in such a manner was entirely directed at me. Why else would Sierra say that? A milkman accidentally breaks a few bottles of milk in his van in his deliveries. He's upset at this, but decides to continue working anyway. He's a bit late in his deliveries because of this. As he's walking down a driveway back to his truck after delivering a box of milk, there are two women standing outside his truck. "Boy, these milkmen nowadays are really slow..." The other woman agrees. "Yeah, they're getting worse and worse...guess we should bring this up with the Mayor." The milkman, hearing this, walks up to them, and the two women immediately jolt. "O-oh no, we weren't talking about you specifically! Heavens, no! We're talking about the other milkmen! Honest!" Yeah, real fuckin' coincidental. In order for any level of sanity or purity of the chain of command to be preserved, you ALWAYS file non-outstanding issues above the defendant's rank. You complain to the captain when the HoS executes a prisoner, you complain to the HoS when shitcurity is beating you, and so on. When it comes to the captain, you fax Central immediately, no questions asked unless the captain is being a destructive retard. Criminal charges (such as stealing, assaulting, killing, etc.) are okay to act upon, CC would prefer you arrest an aggressive criminal even if they are the captain before contacting them about it. However, if it's no more than a mild corporate misdemeanor, then back off, think, and then file upward. This is exactly the part that I was talking about when I said that I was nervous and wasn't 100% sure if I should have done what I did in my original essay-long post. I faxed Nanotrasen to ask. If I had done wrong, and I very much wanted their opinion. They didn't say that I did wrong, nor did they tell me to let him go. And fair enough, I didn't fax Central Command before I arrested him. I've never had to arrest a Captain in such an inane way before on my previous servers. Hence, why I was so god damned nervous that I faxed Nanotrasen to ask if I had done anything wrong. Fuck, it's like no one pays attention. Either that, or they're just acting like god damn robots and don't think of me as a human being at all who can make mistakes. Here's the DO appeal forum http://www.aurorastation.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=98 with a fun little format attached below. Maybe if you apologize and agree to explain what happened, you can get your suspension lifted? Yeah, your post has only confirmed my thoughts on just how much certain people really don't like me. I'll apologize for getting so upset and going SSD, and I'll apologize for not faxing Nanotrasen before arresting the Captain. But I'm not going to go into an appeal forum begging for a DO to give Ihintza her job back just yet. And if nothing comes of this complaint, and I've gained no ground whatsoever against corrupt, inept DOs? I'll probably just leave. Similar to a familiar four-numbered SS13 player, who...didn't, all those times they said they would? Link to comment
Ove Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 If anything, then you should've cleared this up with the DO first in LOOC, and work from there instead of intentionally logging out without any communication. Tishina, please. I expressively stated that I was muted from LOOC and adminhelps. I literally had no way to do so. Was Sierra being biased in the handling of your situation though? I don't believe so, especially after looking into the situation and being told by Sierra why he carried out his punishment. I do believe that they were. You may have not been online at the several times where they've subtly bantered against me, and yes, I am a naturally suspicious person, and I do realize that this may not come across as the most convincing story I've ever told, but I, in my heart, do believe that this was treated with bias. It's the situation where someone's been doing so many little things for so long, you can't specifically quote one of them, or else people are going to laugh at you. You have to look at the behavior over the extended time period. I'm sorry for writing such a long post right after yours Tish, I didn't see it, and I'm starting to get upset all over again. I know that I have a temper, and it easily shows. But I'm still telling you that I did, and still do, believe that there are a certain few individuals that very much know who they are who very much dislike my company and are attempting their hardest, and stealthiest may I add, incursion against me to stop playing Ihintza. In regards to the complaints though, I've never seen them, and I'm sorry if I sound so non-committal about this, but if they were legitimate, I probably would have addressed them, or even been contacted by one of you. Link to comment
Ove Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm going to be watching The Revenant soon, so I won't be able to respond for a few hours. I'm sorry for starting to lose my cool again, I really am. This is just really upsetting and frustrating to deal with. No one's paying attention to the full story, and it's infuriating. I have a side as well. I am a human being as well. Do I make mistakes? Yes, yes I do. Do I regret them? Of course I do, but I learn from them. At least that way they're helpful. I evidently made a mistake and didn't fax Nanotrasen first before arresting the Captain. That was a mistake, and I recognize that. But continuously stacking the stakes higher and higher until it got to this point? I only asked if I made a mistake, in my first fax, and if I did the right thing by arresting him. I wasn't told that I did anything wrong. I wasn't told that I should let him go, I wasn't told anything of the sort, just "Tell us more." I'm sorry if I've pushed anyone's buttons, I really am. I just want people to listen and recognize that I have a side of the story too, and you can't make judgements and accusations against me like we're all some sort of fucking machine. We're human beings, and we have feelings. Sometimes, those get in the way of thoughts. Me logging out in the DO meeting was one of those times. But should the meeting have even been a thing in the first place? It's still my opinion that the DOs could have handled this much better, and a simple slap on the wrist, saying "No Ihintza, you shouldn't have arrested him without our permission first. Please let him go and don't let this happen again." Instead of a wall of text detailing that I've been suddenly suspended, yes, let everyone know that, because fuck privacy and fuck Ove. I'll be able to post again in a few hours. Until then, I'm going to try to salvage this shitty day. Link to comment
Gollee Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Everyone just stop. I'll put a word in when I get back to my computer. Link to comment
Guest Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 You fling accusations of corruption, incompetence, meta-hate, meta-gaming and other splendid vitriol-filled language and allegories that hold little to no relevance to the topic at hand. No attempt was made at addressing you skipping out or any of the other details I mentioned. You're really pissed off, I can see that, but you seriously need to dial it down. You think I hate you? No. Do you not understand I'm trying to help you here? I sincerely believe you're a fine roleplayer, you have a good deal of investment into the framework, stories and iconic looks of your characters and it's a refreshing image to see that you give a damn. However, I don't think you really understand the climate of the server here. I'm going to tell you right now that you're going to be in for a rude awakening when it comes to learning about how this server works, for the greater good or not. Aurora is not like, for example, Baystation, it is not like Unbound Travels, it is not like Hypatia, it is not like the other heavy roleplay servers. Our standards (by 'our', I refer to the groups of regulars, staff and others I communicate to about this server and its players on a relatively regular basis) are much different to adjust to than, say, Baystation. You might be used to the shitty antagonist bias the staff there used to have, and how ridiculously overbearing they are regarding the scrutiny of security. This community does not have that crappy bias, at least not in any meaningful way. And when it comes to dealing with security players in general; Aurora has never jobbanned anyone without having a good reason for it. If anything, the job-ban by itself is the tamest bloodiest thing anyone could get. You'll find that right now, the staff lineup is the best it's been for awhile. Can't say much for the DO corps, but I know Gollee takes his position fairly seriously and does his best to ensure his subordinates are being fair to each other and to everyone they deal with. Same deal with the moderation staff. You might also wanna note how ridiculously productive our coder team has been recently. The staff's not even the best fucking part. It's the rest of us nerds. This community happens to be really interesting because members of the community tend to form their own opinions and images of other players/characters that they see. Yeah, sure, you get things called "cliques" that sprout up, but I'm seriously not going to go into denouncing why having friends are bad, because that's totally not true at all. We're not stupid. We're grown up enough to be able to identify problems and be able to exercise our critical thinking skills our moms and pops like to rant on about. This isn't a place where a bunch of nerds come to type up hateful blue text every evening. This is a place where a bunch of nerds come to play a game together. Yeah, no, I don't fucking hate you. Really, stop, you're being silly. I can name maybe two people off the top of my head that I've ever truly hated in this community's history, and both of them are gone from the SS13 community. My thoughts about you are really simple, and really honest: You do stick your neck out and you sometimes make bad choices. At one point or another, we've all done something wrong. The only thing I dislike is your actions, and I dislike the attitude attached to it. If you plan on sticking around regardless of your frustrations, you're going to end up changing yourself in some meaningful way anyway. Or get burnt out for lack of trying. Up to you, it's the same thing I went through when I was a newfriend here. That's it. Link to comment
Owen Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) Getting rid of my post because Gollee made a way better case than I did in my opinion. Edited January 26, 2016 by Guest Link to comment
Gollee Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 So, the Captain (Zander Moon) promoted a female Assistant who's 19, to "Captain's Assistant", complete with the job title, his own spare headset, and additional access. I frowned at this, considering that I've been around so many Captains who do this just because they want to for no reason other than "Just because." So, I ask him this over the Command channel, and he confirms that he did indeed promote an assistant to her current position. Very well, I call him over to the Brig to speak to him about it. Why? Why did you do this? It's outside your lane, you are the head of security, not the head of personnel, paperwork is not your field; you do not have the right to call in another head and interrogate them because you saw an ID. In the same way, you can't call in the CMO because they ordered a virus crate; it's within their job description. You aren't the inqusition; you are the internal security department, designed to prevent crimes, not chasing up random paperwork because you OOCly assume the captain is bad; because that is what you just did; you saw someone with a promotion, and stuck your head into another lane because you automatically assumed that that head was incapable of doing their job, and needs your constant oversight. Ihintza asks to see the paperwork involved in the promotion, just to make sure that everything was in order. After all, she's loyalty implanted, and she can't have a Captain who's illegally promoting people. Outside of your lane; assume competence until you see otherwise, you can't go assuming that just because a promotion has been given out, even with no records, that the promoter is immediately bad. So, I ask for the paperwork. He doesn't have it on him. Again, following up loose paperwork is not your department. This is better suited to IAA and HoP. He still hasn't led me to believe that this document exists at all. What reason do you have to doubt him? As you mentioned previously, both of you are loyalty implanted, he has done nothing to warrant an interrogation, and nothing to warrant you disbelieving his word. Nevertheless, since I didn't even receive confirmation on whether or not Ihintza did a bad, I'm going to pull this directly from the first response fax you recieved: We do not see why it was felt necessary to brig the captain for any amount of time for this situation, unless there were additional concerns or actions violating regulations which we have not yet been informed of; Please provide any additional information if it is available. ^As in, the Captain should not be brigged, if everything you told us is accurate. You did a bad. To: Central CommandSubject: Re: As was stated before, paperwork was not filled out in the slightest for the promotion, and therefore, it was illegal. As such, the Captain misused his authority to grant an assistant additional access on top of his headset while not informing Command as a whole. It's for this reason that he was arrested for Exceeding Official Powers. I believed that while honest mistakes may happen, some things should not be forgotten, especially when it comes to someone in a position as high as the Captain. He also attempted to stall as long as he could when regarded about the location of said paperwork, indicating that, in my opinion, he was either buying time to come up with an excuse, or attempted to get his assistant to draft a form while we were deliberating. As was stated before, the Captain misused his authority by promoting an assistant with no proof of him actually doing so whatsoever, other than the assistant's word. Employee: Ihintza Livingstone Signature: Ihintza Livingstone You then restate that he was arrested for not filling paperwork; let's refer back to the first fax: A lack of paperwork is an issue, and is something that should be addressed. Please ensure the proper paperwork has been filled out, signed, and stamped by the relevant parties. Additionally, we would prefer if paperwork was completed prior to such actions being carried out and officiated. We do not see why it was felt necessary to brig the captain for any amount of time for this situation, unless there were additional concerns or actions violating regulations which we have not yet been informed of; Please provide any additional information if it is available. So, you were told that un-filled paperwork does not warrant arrest, instead you should sit his ass down, and make him fill it. Seems simple enough? There were a few more faxes exchanged, before the Command staff were asked to submit their own reports. That is, the entire station was subject to this message. As in, this was starting to get a bit bigger than it needed to be. This was directly after you ignored a point-blank message from Central saying that the captain should not have been brigged for this, and instead sent a fax saying that he was exactly brigged for this. TO: Central Command FROM: Oliver Roadman, Chief Engineer. SUBJECT: Incident Statement -------------------- BODY: I wasn't aware of the incident regarding the captain's arrest until he announced he was putting his things away. At this time I merely though he was going to cryo much to my surprise when I found out he was being arrested. The reason for arrest that I was given was Exceeding Offical Powers due to lack of paperwork. It was my understanding the Head of Security had to get confirmation from the other Heads of Staff before proceeding with an arrest something in this case they failed to do. -------------------- DTG: 18:34 01-24-2458 SIGN: Oliver M. Roadman You exceeded your own powers here. "The Captain and HoS are to be suspended. Their loyalty implants are going to be checked. We're coming aboard to deal with this 'Unwarranted arrest, and poor display of behaviour'" You ignored a direct order from Central Command. If the Duty Officer in question, SierraKomodo, actually paid attention, then perhaps this situation could have been dealt with a bit easier. Sierra dealt with this issue, as far as I can tell, in a professional manner, you, however, ignored large chunks of faxes and ignored direct CC commands. The HoP, played by PumpkingSlice, was, I dare say, extremely rude and confrontational. I will admit that I was also upset, but damn. Spouting line after line of robotic-sounding nonsense against me in an extremely passive-aggressive attitude doesn't serve to make anyone's mood better. Irrelevant to this issue. four snowflake DOs and their super-secret-special Staffmember bodyguards. Irrelevant, and not helping your case that you are not angry. I remember when he was under my command once playing a young Tajaran female who wore bright blue pants, a red hat turned backwards, and her jumpsuit rolled down. Irrelevant. "The arrest you made was illegal, unwarranted, and you never informed Command of it AT ALL!"...Unless, I did? Another Command member spoke up and confirmed that I did in fact, tell everyone that I've arrested the Captain on the grounds of Exceeding Official Powers, and that he was serving time, not being demoted. Rase was correct, correct, and correct, you informed command AFTER the arrest, not before. "Y'know what? This guy really is out to ruin my day. I'm not going to stay, because I'm only going to get more upset." And so, I bid them adieu and informed everyone that I was tired, and I logged off. Bit of a shitty move in the middle of the meeting I know, but I was fuming, and being called a shit HoS who's a very, very poor example of Security. Ragequitting in the middle of a staff interview, as this is what that was, is a very poor move; it is the same as if you logged while a moderator was trying to talk to you. Instead, you tell them that you are getting angry, and you need a bit to get a clear head. Every staff member will understand this, we have all been there. Lol. In what regard? Failure to carry out an order from Central Command, exceeding official powers, ragequitting, not following arrest procedure for the captain, stepping way out of your lane. None of these are acceptable. Not wanting corrupt heads of staff promoting whoever they feel like it and giving them access with no record of it whatsoever? Loyalty implanted head of staff, and stepping out of your lane. This is a gross misuse of authority, and I dare say, meta-hating. I heavily disagree, and fully support the action taken by Sierra in this case. You fucked up; live with the consequences, don't go playing the victim. "Yes miss Livingstone, you did a bad by arresting the Captain. Bad girl, don't do it again." in response to my first fax, asking if I did anything wrong by arresting the Captain for Exceeding Official Powers. This is exactly what you were told in the first fax; and I refuse to let a member of my team take this amount of anger because you failed to read it fully. Which for the record, I still believe was correct given how it isn't in the Captain's authority to just promote someone in a non-emergency, give them a headset that can listen in to every single channel on the station, along with additional access to every Department barring the Brig, all without telling anyone of it happening, (I had to call him out on it) having no record of it whatsoever, and not giving her at least a loyalty implant. 1. HoP was AFK. 2. Access was basic at best. 3. The only heads that matter in terms of civillian promotions are the Captain, and the Head of Personnel; the Head of Security does not get to stick their nose into everyone elses work just because they can. In the same way, the HoP can't go questioning the CMO about happenings in virology. Stay in your lane. I've created this complaint against SierraKomodo because I believe they are in fact, meta-hating against me and have had an inexplicable grudge or displeasant nature against me for a while, now. No, they have my full support in this scenario. Why else would they go through all of this trouble instead of just sending one fax back saying that I was wrong, They did this, you ignored it. Demonstrate that the DOs are complete and utter corrupt, lawless asses, and make an example out of Ihintza just because! Woo, don't you love being a DO?! Irrelevant, not helping your case. I was just about to type something else and then Aimless told me that if I don't cut it out, I'll be muted. Literally the instant right before that was sent, my finger pressed enter and the message was forced through, and what do you know, I was muted. I then commented on this in an adminhelp towards Aimless, and yet again, they immediately became emotional and told me to "knock it off" again. I can't particularly remember what I said, but it very clearly was not an insult, more just expressing my extreme distaste towards this situation, and I agreed that we should handle this IC'ly. I was then muted from Ahelps as well. I cannot comment on this as it is adminside, and I do not have the logs. In summary, you did not follow a clear direction on the first fax, and it escalated from their due to your sheer bullheadedness. You also did not have any sort of right to interrogate the captain to begin with, as promotions and demotions are not your department; Security should only get involved when they are asked to by IAAs, the HoP, or the Captain. You cannot call in the LOYALTY IMPLANTED captain for an interview based on the fact that you saw an ID, and you are loyalty implanted too. Link to comment
SierraKomodo Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Right so I've had a chance to read everything over. Between what Tish and Gollee have already said, that pretty much covers just about everything I was going to cover. There is one thing I want to bring up though - You seem very adamant about your belief that I'm meta grudging. Here's the thing. I didn't even know you played Livingstone until the admins informed me. My only interaction with you that I remember as being you wasn't even an interaction; Just me noticing you complaining about things in OOC awhile back then quitting. The argument you brought up in LOOC in the brig; I've done that a few times with various different people, particularly when they're doing something like stacking a ricidulous number of charges to brig someone for 30+ minutes instead of the 5-10 that they should be getting because, let's face it, locking a player in the brig for over a quarter of a usual round because you think you can as security is a shit move. You also mentioned an IC conflict with one of my characters - Blue pants, red cap; That's Sai'da Karim-Surkov, who has an attitude with just about everyone and everything if she doesn't like them. And, that's irrelevant. Why? It's IC - I know how to keep IC and OOC separate. And, honestly? I don't remember any conflicts between Sai'da and Livingstone, or even seeing Livingstone in round before. Hopefully that covers the last of this. Link to comment
Guest Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) Hi. So I was going to talk about stuff that happened in the round, but it appears that it's all been said. Whilst I'm aware Gollee said the part in regards to me is irrelevant for this situation, I'd just like to take the time and further explain what you said here: The HoP, played by PumpkingSlice, was, I dare say, extremely rude and confrontational. I will admit that I was also upset, but damn. Spouting line after line of robotic-sounding nonsense against me in an extremely passive-aggressive attitude doesn't serve to make anyone's mood better. In short; Yup! Thank you for picking that up, as was my intention. Was my HoP being a bit too much of a dick to your HoS? Yeah I guess he was. There is a reason as to why he was doing this though. He was mirroring your character pretty much. When this entire spiel happened from start to finish, your character was pretty much being confrontational towards the captain. Robotic-sounding nonsense? I'm sorry he didn't have time to be emotional. He was put as acting captain. The situation, I'm sure we can all agree, was pretty serious. If robotic sounding nonsense is the attitude that needs to be taken to get the job done then that's fine by me, I'll take it. There's no time to make sure everybody is sat comfortably in their seat with a cup of their favorite tea/coffee/hot chocolate and be ready for a nice bit of Command Drama. Passive-Aggressive? I disagree. Maybe I'm wrong, but in the end my intention was to mirror how your character was acting whilst I was acting captain. So yeah, not much to be said there. Oh yeah if we're talking about moods; I think you may have overlooked how your character's actions affected the moods of others, because it was certainly giving me a headache. I was also told by other players OOCly that they were getting some-what annoyed by your character's actions. Obviously I'm not going to mention them though because... well it was a private message to me and doesn't need to be furthered. You just need to know how your character was making others feel. What I do find humorous was before the meeting you did say something along the lines of "You would make a great commander." It's probably because he's primarily a HoS so he knows how stuff works. To continue shortly on the topic of me being, to put in short, rude. It seems you also over-looked your attitude in the meeting itself. You questioned the Duty Officers responses and their decisions. Something a loyalty implanted personnel would not dare do. You seemed to constantly preach the idea that you did nothing wrong, albeit you did admit you made a mistake though it felt like you were trying to make it seem like a minor error if anything else. Oh you also forgot to loyalty implant me upon taking Acting Captain. Though I haven't played for roughly 9 months or so, so I don't know if that's changed. Honestly I feel like you just took this situation too seriously from the start. As my character said in the meeting, if you didn't do what you did, all of this headache would have been avoided. From what I reviewed when I came back from being AFK, it just looked like a lot of rash decisions. Edited January 27, 2016 by Guest Link to comment
Skull132 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 As a note for the time being, Gollee and I reviewed the DO management of the issue. Namely, what led to the escalation of action and why action was escalated. (Obviously there's more to your complaint, but I need to parse it and do a bit of quick digging. After sleeps.) We do not see why it was felt necessary to brig the captain for any amount of time for this situation, unless there were additional concerns or actions violating regulations which we have not yet been informed of; Please provide any additional information if it is available. This was supposed to serve as an order to release the captain, and thus adhering to it would have resolved the situation relatively quickly. My concern was the fact that the order was not direct: it wasn't exactly much of an order. Ideally, the first reply you received would have contained clear and concise instructions on how to manage the situation (ergo, release the Captain, yadda). And after that, the issue would have simply been averted. (At least I hope. Obviously had you ignored it, the same stuff would have probably happened, though with much more valid reason.) Gollee will be making sure that all further orders from the DOs are actually conveyed as such. Link to comment
Ove Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 Well, I got back from watching The Revenant, and it was a pretty good movie! Pretty brutal, but nevertheless, pretty good! And so, I've come back to spread my merry cheer in one big post regarding everyone who's submitted their opinions thus far. To 1138: I'm sorry for lashing at you like I did, it was a pretty shitty thing to do. I feel that you're a very good roleplayer as well, but I was still hung up on the whole "Jimmy Jones, Vira Taryk" thing. As soon as you learned that I was the one who played Jimmy, in my opinion, you immediately soured against him and in turn, against me. I don't know if this was actually your intention or not, it's just what I perceived, and I'm sorry if I misconstrued it. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the staff lineup, with the exception of the behavior of Aimless. Nor am I speaking against the coders, or anyone else. I'm only speaking about the issues that I directly know of and have witnessed. I truly know that this isn't a place where nerds come to get angry at each other. I don't like getting angry and having my day ruined because of what mean people say over the internet, it's not a very fun time. I just can't help it, in the same way that someone with ADHD has difficulty staying still. When everybody's calm, nice talks like this can happen, and I do honestly, humbly apologize from the bottom of my heart. Now, onto Gollee's post. Why? Why did you do this? It's outside your lane, you are the head of security, not the head of personnel, paperwork is not your field; you do not have the right to call in another head and interrogate them because you saw an ID. In the same way, you can't call in the CMO because they ordered a virus crate; it's within their job description. You aren't the inqusition; you are the internal security department, designed to prevent crimes, not chasing up random paperwork because you OOCly assume the captain is bad; because that is what you just did; you saw someone with a promotion, and stuck your head into another lane because you automatically assumed that that head was incapable of doing their job, and needs your constant oversight. Yes, thank you Gollee, for telling me everything that I already knew and re-stating why I was nervous enough to fax Nanotrasen about this in the first place. Do you think that I don't know what I did regarding the Captain was wrong by now? I may act like an idiot sometimes, and not to honk my own horn here, but I'm one smart cookie. I can recognize and acknowledge when and where I was wrong, and can learn from my mistakes. Outside of your lane; assume competence until you see otherwise, you can't go assuming that just because a promotion has been given out, even with no records, that the promoter is immediately bad. I don't assume everyone is immediately bad because of what I see on the outside. That's probably one of the shittiest qualities people can have, it's called judging by the cover. At no point did I immediately go "Holy shit, the Captain's corrupt 'cause he promoted someone! No way, c'mere now!" upon learning that the assistant got an additional headset and access. No, I calmly asked them to come over so I could speak to them further about it, and get to the bottom of everything. Was this wrong? No, I was just curious. I don't believe I ever explicitly gave an order to him commanding him to come down to the Brig. I simply asked him. However, "assume competence" is a laughable statement, considering that this is Space Station 13. No one assumes that anyone's competent at first sight in this fuckin' game, let's be real. Nor is it something that Ihintza does. Are you suggesting that you know everything that's happened to her in her life, and that she immediately trusts everyone she meets and has no reason to be worried about them or their productivity? Eh, that's just not right. It's not her behavior, and neither is it mine. It's unwise to make assumptions, that much you should know by now if you're over the age of eighteen. I treat everyone exactly the same. No more, no less, just the same, until they give me reason to change that opinion about them. A Captain who's informed me that he didn't have any paperwork or reasoning for promoting an assistant out of the blue without telling anyone? Well, that gives Ihintza a little bit of cause for alarm. Again, I'm calmly expressing the fact that I know that I did wrong by sticking my neck out and arresting the Captain like I did. At the time I believed that it was the right thing to do. It actually was. I was just in the wrong position and did it. Again, following up loose paperwork is not your department. This is better suited to IAA and HoP. Thanks again, pumpkin. What reason do you have to doubt him? As you mentioned previously, both of you are loyalty implanted, he has done nothing to warrant an interrogation, and nothing to warrant you disbelieving his word. Becauuuuuuse...I don't knooooow, he failed to give me a reason why he did what he did, and couldn't confirm the existence of the form in question? I keep on saying this, yet no one seems to grasp it :/ ^As in, the Captain should not be brigged, if everything you told us is accurate. You did a bad. Okay, I'm going to pull what Skull said right out from under you and put it here. This was supposed to serve as an order to release the captain, and thus adhering to it would have resolved the situation relatively quickly. My concern was the fact that the order was not direct: it wasn't exactly much of an order. Ideally, the first reply you received would have contained clear and concise instructions on how to manage the situation (ergo, release the Captain, yadda). And after that, the issue would have simply been averted. THIS exactly RIGHT HERE. RIIIIGHT HERE. This is literally ALL THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN DONE AND I WOULD HAVE COMPLIED. Like holy shit, what is so difficult about understanding this??? This is what I've been saying the entire time. How was I supposed to know that it was You ignored a direct order from Central Command. ??? Honestly, who would have taken that as a direct order? I didn't get any orders, I only got "Send us more information." and that's it. I was literally stunned when I read that Ihintza was to be suspended for arresting the Captain. I stared at my screen for about ten full seconds before I even came to. There was no direct order here, and if you're going to preach against me this: you, however, ignored large chunks of faxes and ignored direct CC commands. then holy shit, I'm just going to get upset all over again and lose the good mood I've been having since I got back. At no point did I ignore any of the faxes, and trust me, I completely read over each of them, twice. Anyone, anyone at all, please read them over and you tell me if you thought that THAT was a direct order the first time around. Was there any direct order stating to let the Captain go? Even at all? Was there even a hint that he should be let go? "We do not see why it was felt necessary to brig the captain for any amount of time for this situation, unless there were additional concerns or actions violating regulations which we have not yet been informed of; Please provide any additional information if it is available." That's what it said, word for word. Nanotrasen, or more specifically Sierra, told me that they didn't see what the problem was, and asked for more information, which I gave. By the time the second fax from the lot of you came through, the damn Captain was already out, he was just standing in his cell. Aeghhrguheirhgieuhriguh I'm already approaching that point again just because of this. Whatever, let's get on with the rest of it. Ragequitting in the middle of a staff interview, as this is what that was, is a very poor move; it is the same as if you logged while a moderator was trying to talk to you. Instead, you tell them that you are getting angry, and you need a bit to get a clear head. Every staff member will understand this, we have all been there. One question. How. I don't know how many times I have to say this. I was muted. From LOOC. And adminhelps. Muted from LOOC and adminhelps. Muted. LOOC. Adminhelps. I really do hope that everyone gets the picture on why I didn't speak in LOOC or inform the admins why I left, because hey, I wonder why :/ Lol. In what regard? Failure to carry out an order from Central Command, Incorrect and you know it. There were no direct orders, please stop preaching that it was one. exceeding official powers, Albeit in a misinformed way, I recognize and acknowledge that I overstepped my bounds as the Head of Security, and I humbly apologize for doing so. It's not my place to worry about potential thieves or anyone who'd like to take advantage of this position, oh, no. :^) Nah, but in all seriousness, Ihintza was suspicious that the Captain would just do this out of the blue without telling anyone, and she was concerned that since the assistant was so young and had no records whatsoever, on top of being granted access to the Bridge, given a headset that can listen in on Security, and basic access to all departments barring Security, that she could have literally just been some trash that was picked up from some backwater colony and applied for a job in Nanotrasen with the hopes of causing mischief. Like, is this really so unreasonable? We have Assistants with no records whatsoever, constantly breaking into places on the station all the damned time. Are they antags, most of the time? No, they're not. Why is it so hard to believe that she was acting in tandem with her loyalty implant regarding this? Yes, arresting the Captain without faxing Nanotrasen first was wrong, but god damn, why has no one even thought of this yet? This is a completely realistic and believable reason to check out both the Captain and the assistant. For all Ihintza knows, this could have been an elaborate plot by the Syndicate, and the assistant could have been a sleeper agent. You never fucking know, and there are reasons that Ihintza both has scars to prove her experience, and why she takes her job so seriously. I find it so god damn frustrating that this is so difficult to believe, and that people are still giving me shit for this. Honestly, you have no idea how frustrating it is. ragequitting, not following arrest procedure for the captain, stepping way out of your lane. Call it what you want. I thought of it more as a break, but whatever. The only time I deviated from procedure was not faxing Nanotrasen first. I get it, I did bad by that. I'm still not so sure that I was stepping way out of my lane by reminding the Captain the hard way why it's bad to forget paperwork regarding an issue like this. You of all people should know just how much havoc one could wreak with the access the assistant was provided, along with that headset. In what mindset, honestly, in what mindset would someone like Ihintza willingly ignore an issue like this. The only reason she wouldn't follow up on this is if she were passed-out drunk or high off her rocks. Neither of which, will ever happen by the way. Why is it so hard to understand that she takes her job seriously and doesn't want to have another assistant rampage/looting spree going on. The-- THE OTHER ME IS...TAKING OVEEEEEEEEEER! I heavily disagree, and fully support the action taken by Sierra in this case. You fucked up; live with the consequences, don't go playing the victim. Then thank you for making your opinion known. You'll find that I heavily disagree with your heavy disagree. Ultimately, the only thing I'm going to respond with is...well, let's agree to disagree. Oh, and it isn't my intent to play the victim. If that were the case, I'd be a very poor "sad case" indeed, getting as riled up as I normally do. My intent is to clear everything up, and stop the DO corps from acting like mindless, autonomous freaks and learn that it's not always the interrogate-ees who are the ones doing things wrong. In the glorious, very correct words of Skull, This was supposed to serve as an order to release the captain, and thus adhering to it would have resolved the situation relatively quickly. My concern was the fact that the order was not direct: it wasn't exactly much of an order. Ideally, the first reply you received would have contained clear and concise instructions on how to manage the situation (ergo, release the Captain, yadda). And after that, the issue would have simply been averted. Literally. All. That had. To be done. But no, Sierra chose to continue rising and rising up to that point of no return. Why are you turning a blind eye to this, Gollee? Why is everyone with the exception of Skull not mentioning this? Lol, I almost can't believe this willful blindness. It's like you're all brainwashed into knowing for a fact that DOs can't, and never will mess up. If this is the rude awakening that 1138 was speaking about, then damn, I think it's the people here who need to open their eyes, not me. This is exactly what you were told in the first fax; Happy trails to you buddy, but this wasn't what I was told in the first fax. At least, not in a manner that any intelligent, sane person could understand. and I refuse to let a member of my team take this amount of anger because you failed to read it fully. failed to read it fully. Ohmygodit'sstartingagainI'mtellingyourightnowthevoicesaregettinglouderwhat the FUCK is wrong with you, Gollee. Why else would they go through all of this trouble instead of just sending one fax back saying that I was wrong, They did this, you ignored it. Hhhnnnnnnn. In summary, you did not follow a clear direction on the first fax, and it escalated from their due to your sheer bullheadedness. You also did not have any sort of right to interrogate the captain to begin with, as promotions and demotions are not your department; Security should only get involved when they are asked to by IAAs, the HoP, or the Captain. You cannot call in the LOYALTY IMPLANTED captain for an interview based on the fact that you saw an ID, and you are loyalty implanted too. Actually, here's the beautiful, beautiful thing that I've learned about this server. On here, we don't have laws for loyalty implants. The common code of conduct has, and currently is to my knowledge, that as long as your character is acting in a way that they truly believe befits the company of Nanotrasen as a whole, then chances are, you're doing it right. After all, just ask Chaznoodles, the HoS who believed that taking their energy weapon out and point-blanking a restrained serial killer to death would be okay, because due to their character, they honestly believed that the suspect would escape again, so that was the best course of action for the company as a whole. That being said. Are you really going to lecture me on what I shouldn't have done involving a non-loyalty implanted 19-year old assistant with basic access to almost every single department along with a headset that can listen in on literally any frequency at all with no records detailing where they're from, what experience they have, or what their history is? I'm literally offended that you'd think that Ihintza Livingstone, Security's all-time famous, fair but bad/hardass dark-skinned amazonian Head of Security (all of these are self-entitled, don't take this literally for fuck's sake) would ignore this very serious issue. On top of that, she was promoted with no records of it happening whatsoever. This has the potential to be a major security risk. I legitimately find it fucking insane that people think that doing this kind of thing is just okay straight out of the blue. Head of Securities are onboard to follow up on every possible lead regarding danger. Did Ihintza believe that the assistant I've oh so previously mentioned could have been a threat? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is she going to follow up on what she believes what could be a threat? WHAT DO YOU THINK. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GRASP, HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO SCREAM IT. Good for you Gollee, I hope you enjoyed attempting to act like a hardass who's out to prove that I did everything wrong and the glorious opinion of the DOs are always right no matter what. I don't care how many people are brainwashed into thinking the DOs are supervillian robots who have no emotions or human thought whatsoever and that we should fear their very presence. If you're going to be unclear and even have your staff making mistakes, as they've admitted IC'ly, then they're not some god damn unstoppable, un-assailable force that everyone's making them out to be. SierraKomodo fucked up. They were unsure/unclear of what needed to be said, and so, not wanting to seem wrong or rather, wanting to maintain the image that DOs are not to be fucked with under any circumstances whatsoever even if they weren't in the right, they decided to make this a much bigger deal than what it had to be. That's literally it. I get upset because people fuck up and start doing stupid shit. Never did I once claim that I was perfect, and that I don't make mistakes. But I at least can fucking realize when I have made one, and I'm not going to write up an essay against someone on why one of their unstoppable team's members "orders" were unclear and caused a convoluted situation, where I'm the one who's getting shit. I hope everyone's thoroughly enjoyed reading all of this. You probably saw the slow descent into madness as you read downwards, eh. Yeah, well. Shit happens. Just know that for everyone I'm getting upset at here, I'm not going to harbor hard feelings. I don't hold grudges, when this is over, I'm either going to be gone or playing Ihintza in the role that she was meant to be in again, and I'm going to think of everyone here the same as I did before. As people, with feelings and emotions and thoughts. I don't give a fuck if everyone thinks that I'm an unlikeable asshole, but I do care if I'm known for being someone who fucks up and doesn't know how to be a good HoS. Call that stupid logic, but that's just how I feel. Of course I want to be liked, I want to have friends on here, and I don't want to write all of this and make both myself and more people upset, but what the fuck else can I do. I'm seeing a very serious, blatant issue here and nobody's choosing to talk about it. Uuuuuuuuuuuuuggghghhhhhhhhh, please, please start paying attention to what I'm saying now, so I don't have to repeat myself fifty fucking times again. Link to comment
Ove Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 Please keep this relevant to the complaint at hand, Jboy. I would appreciate if you didn't answer Hive, in the interest of not getting side-tracked. Link to comment
Shadow Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Only post if involved. If you are not a moderator or administrator and were not involved in the incident(s) referred to, you may not post or reply to a staff complaint regarding said incident(s). It is permissible, however, to provide testimony regarding a staff member's behavior backed by proof, in the form of screenshots or logs. Stay on topic, this means that the posts should be constructive and focus on the complaint itself only. Any off-topic post made will be removed and met with a reminder to remain on topic. Binning all posts from people who were not involved or are off-topic Link to comment
Skull132 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Why are you turning a blind eye to this, Gollee? Why is everyone with the exception of Skull not mentioning this? Lol, I almost can't believe this willful blindness. It's like you're all brainwashed into knowing for a fact that DOs can't, and never will mess up. It may have something to do with the literal barrage of stuff you put up as your original post. I'll be frank: I didn't even read it (2 600 something words: yeeaah, fuck no, I ain't reading it after work), before proceeding over to the fax exchange. You threw up a huge wall of text, and people are focusing on that. Further, if you want to talk about turning blind eyes, let's talk about entering the situation while assuming the literal worst. You dug up like, a months old incident (which wasn't even OOC, ergo, doesn't showcase the player's attitude towards you as another player) in order to paint Sierra as someone who's metagrudging against you. While, on staff chats, fun stuff like this was being discussed: SierraKomodo - Today at 2:41 AM I did poke wth the idea of retconning the suspension with Tish Sounds like someone who's out to get you, and who believes that he's always right, aye? Further, about the multiple DOs going out, there's a much simpler reason to this than "HRRRM, SHOWCASE OUR DOMINANCE" that you assumed. SierraKomodo - Today at 2:32 AM To be fair There was no need for the second DO and second escort Just someone [another DO], I've forgotten who now, wanted to tag along Link to comment
Witt Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 As a note, the second DO was xelngalhunter, and he went along purely to observe Sierra a day how they handle interviews as a learning experience. The second escorts was brought because we had two DOs and the unofficial policy we run is one escorts per DO. Link to comment
Jennalele Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 As another note. The reason you were muted from LOOC was because of your hostile and highly sarcastic/passive-aggressive attitude to the other players, insulting them and generally showing very poor sportsmanship. You were asked to stop multiple times, and did not. You then proceeded to take it to adminhelps, where I again told you to stop. You did not. I might add that a Head of Staff/Whitelisted player is meant to serve as an example, as well, to the server. Instead of raging on in all caps, boldtext and passive aggressive quips, you may want to take a step back and clear your head. Ending a post with "Uuuuuuuuuuuuuggghghhhhhhhhh, please, please start paying attention to what I'm saying now, so I don't have to repeat myself fifty fucking times again." is not helping this. Link to comment
Ove Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 It may have something to do with the literal barrage of stuff you put up as your original post. I'll be frank: I didn't even read it (2 600 something words: yeeaah, fuck no, I ain't reading it after work), before proceeding over to the fax exchange. You threw up a huge wall of text, and people are focusing on that. Further, if you want to talk about turning blind eyes, let's talk about entering the situation while assuming the literal worst. You dug up like, a months old incident (which wasn't even OOC, ergo, doesn't showcase the player's attitude towards you as another player) in order to paint Sierra as someone who's metagrudging against you. That's fair, I have a tendency to start writing and writing and writing. When it comes to the "month old incident", it's the only thing that I can actually quote from the top of my head. Like I said before, it's the kind of situation where you can't just quote one specific small issue, or you're going to look like an idiot. You need to look at the behavior over the entire spectrum. SierraKomodo - Today at 2:41 AMI did poke wth the idea of retconning the suspension with Tish Sounds like someone who's out to get you, and who believes that he's always right, aye? Further, about the multiple DOs going out, there's a much simpler reason to this than "HRRRM, SHOWCASE OUR DOMINANCE" that you assumed. I'm sorry, but I have no knowledge whatsoever about what's happening behind the scenes in a staff chat somewhere. Wanting to tag along for a learning experience is more than fair, it isn't something you should be afraid of doing, nor should you be given strife for it. However, did I know all of these things? I was taking everything going on in that meeting against me because I believed Sierra was in fact, metagrudging against me. Are they actually harboring an unknown grudge against me? I would have said yes before, but now, I'm going to go with I don't know. It matters if there's an issue against me and the staff has bias. (Not saying for sure that there is any right now) But it also matters on if I feel like I'm being targeted. Let me ask you something. I was given no direct orders, and before I knew it, I was suspended. The HoP starts acting all high and mighty, as if he were the God of doing things right, and of course that did nothing to quell my distaste. Oh, and by the way, the HoP in question, PumpKingSlice, has an IC relationship with Aimless' character, Reanne Strafford. Reanne and the HoP were sending intimate PDA messages to one another, inviting each other over to their houses and getting drunk, along with the fact that Reanne started pulling the HoP, who said "I guess you're the dominant one in this relationship? Suggesting that the relationship is sexual. Let that sink in. before you take Pumpking's words to heart. Then, he continues to act in such a way when I'm getting my ID changed to "Suspended." Then, I'm made aware that every single person in Command is to attend a meeting, with four Nanotrasen personnel arriving on the station. Then, or even better yet, I'll let everyone here be the judge of this one. Read the meeting logs that Sierra posted towards the beginning. In my state of extreme distaste and what I believed to be a "Singling out" move, I did in fact perceive what mister Rase was saying was directed at me. Yes, of course I did, who wouldn't? I was confused as to why I was suspended, angry, and on top of that, I was muted from being able to say anything out of character, both to the people in the room, and to the administrative staff. But then again, if you still feel like my actions are unreasonable, why do you think that I went through so much effort with all of this. Do you really believe that I go on these huge blocks of texts for fun, to intentionally make everyone upset because I get off on it? I'm doing this because I honestly, truly believe that there are issues regarding what I'm speaking about, and Skull was the only one who even managed to pick up on the gist of what I was saying. It isn't assumption if I truly do believe that I'm being targeted. The evidence was almost literally smacking me across the face. Was this my fault, due to me perceiving them as hating against me specifically, the player behind the screen? Perhaps partly. But I'm still adamant about the fact that this could have been avoided without the need to escalate so damned much. So, upon being made aware of more information, I don't believe Sierra has as much of a grudge against me as I previously claimed. Aimless, however? No, I'm not going to back down from that accusation quite yet. As a note, the second DO was xelngalhunter, and he went along purely to observe Sierra a day how they handle interviews as a learning experience. The second escorts was brought because we had two DOs and the unofficial policy we run is one escorts per DO. Now that I actually know why the second DO was there, this is entirely acceptable, no question about it. As another note. The reason you were muted from LOOC was because of your hostile and highly sarcastic/passive-aggressive attitude to the other players, insulting them and generally showing very poor sportsmanship. You were asked to stop multiple times, and did not. You then proceeded to take it to adminhelps, where I again told you to stop. You did not. At the risk of showing my very upset attitude in that meeting, I'd appreciate the LOOC and adminhelp logs being posted here so that I may further elaborate on them, because I can't remember specifically what I said. I do believe however, that I was told once in LOOC to stop being salty. Literally right as you sent the second message saying that I would be muted, I pressed enter and only managed to read it right after my own message was posted. Literally no time to rectify it, literally no time to apologize, instantly muted. I spoke about this in ahelps. Again, you told me once that I needed to knock it off. I made another comment on saying how this didn't need to be so taken over the top or something along those lines, and agreed that we should keep it going IC'ly. "You have been muted from adminhelps." That's when I really got upset. Being told that I was a horrible HoS just pushed me over the edge and I knew that I wasn't going to be able to stay any longer. And what do you know. Since I was muted, I couldn't inform anyone that I was going to leave to clear my head. So then the fiasco happens, which I didn't know about and wasn't there to see by the way, where I was fired for disconnecting with no warning, other than telling everyone IC'ly, because that's the only way I could. Why do you think I didn't just wordlessly log off. I told everyone in the meeting in the only way I could that I was leaving. I might add that a Head of Staff/Whitelisted player is meant to serve as an example, as well, to the server. Instead of raging on in all caps, boldtext and passive aggressive quips, you may want to take a step back and clear your head. Ending a post with "Uuuuuuuuuuuuuggghghhhhhhhhh, please, please start paying attention to what I'm saying now, so I don't have to repeat myself fifty fucking times again." is not helping this. You think that I don't know this? Or are you just trying to justify that you're a staff member and that I'm behaving like a child, and that you can do no wrong? "People like you are supposed to be more mature than the others, you getting upset at legitimate issues and miscommunication is not helping your case, ho ho ho." I've stated multiple times that I know that I have a temper, and that I make mistakes. I literally can't think of any other way to get my point across because nobody is listening to what I'm saying. They're just picking out the parts they know they can't defend against, just like you, Jennalele. You're speaking against the fact that I'm angry. I get that I'm angry, I know that I'm angry. At least I have a legitimate reason for being angry. Appropriate at every single time? No, of course not. But it's so unbearably, unbelievably frustrating to have people continuously ignore certain parts of your writing just to further their own points, while not even acknowledging the existence of what you're trying to prove. I'm going to stop getting upset when everyone starts behaving like human beings with regard to other people's feelings and thoughts. You think instantly muting someone because they're angry to let them sit and broil on their foul mood is going to do anything? If you think the answer to that question is yes, then I'm sorry, but you really, honestly don't belong on the staff team. If the answer is no, and you agree that you shouldn't have did what you did, then of course I'm going to forgive you. I just want you to realize that you can't just do that to someone and expect everything to be okay. I've been on this server for months, now. Have I ever had an issue with anyone of this magnitude? Have I ever caused a massive shit-storm IC'ly by being an awful Head of Security? If I did, then I can't remember, and I'd appreciate someone bringing it to light, so long as it's legitimate. I'm just saying, I'm a person with feelings, and thoughts. This entire situation, in my mindset, was completely stacked against me and it seemed like the entire staff was out gunning for me. Muted by the admins, fired by the DOs for not wordlessly going on with a suspension that they never even told me was about. They only said that I was to be suspended for arresting the captain, but through the multiple times asked by myself, they never told me what I did wrong. At least, before the meeting. I'm just saying. I only want people to start paying attention to what I'm saying, and to stop bringing up the fact that I'm pissed off. I know that I am, and I know it's not helping my case. I'm trying to calm down, but every time the lot of you respond, it's like you're just doing it all over again just to make me angry. I want you to read everything, and not just skim over it and mindlessly accuse me of being angry again. So please, I'm trying to tell you that I'm calming down, I just want to stop being ignored, in favor of people cherrypicking what I'm saying. Link to comment
Skull132 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Here's the issue. And I pointed it out with the earlier post. You assumed that staff is out to get you, and are metagrudging you, and all that good stuff. And I responded to your assumptions, proving them invalid as I went. (As the evidence, as shown by myself, proves the assumptions in question invalid.) No, you're not meant to see what's going on behind staff chats, but if you continue to assume things, as you have been, then I will keep pointing it out as invalid in light of actual events. If you pose them as a question or a request for clarification, or simply raise the issue for review, then I will respond without invalidating the claims presented, as there is nothing for me to invalidate. And I name, specially the metagrudge thing, an assumption because it has no leg to stand on. Nor is it even called for: it seems to be thrown in just for the extra ammunition effect. To summarize: I may or may not back the actions of the staff in question, but I also definitely do not back the mentality of, "Someone mismanaged something, time to throw everything and the kitchen sink into making them look horrible!" Two wrongs do not make a right, I said this to the staff I talked with yesterday, and I will say it to you. Because it is applicable to both parties. Anyways, as far as the IC and DO things are concerned, one note that I have left to figure out is why the jump to suspension. As the violation in question, at worst, would warrant a re-eduaction course, and at best nothing but a finger wag. (The original intent was to issue a warning, which is a level playing ground.) Once that's dealt with, and resolved (with a retcon or whatever the shit the situation may warrant), we'll proceed over to the admin actions. And hopefully resolve that side of it as well. This means I am actively awaiting input from Tishina and Sierra, who I've flagged. Sound like a plan? Link to comment
Ove Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 I want to stop writing so much. I also want Ihintza's job back, and I really want for this to be over. I don't want to continue sparking up like I have been. Yeah, it's a plan. Link to comment
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