Duplicate Custodial Closet Items And Add Additional Janitor Slot

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

The station is either in a state where a janitor is useless, or in a state where there isn't enough janitors.

Allowing a second one would allow any slack to be picked up, and they can be janibros, while the duplicate items also allow the crew to snag a bit from the closet to clean up all the gibs without totally depriving a late arriving janitor.

[Nanako]

As a regular janitor player, i agree.

The Galoshes and the janicart are the most critical things, those cannot be built or ordered from cargo afaik. I'd be happy with duplicating only those things, and expecting a second janitor to order a custodial crate for the rest of the stuff

Also, please add galoshes to the whitelist of items that aren't deleted when the wearer goes to cryo

[afitz]

Lets not forget that slapping janitor access on an assistant, and ordering nearly an entire janitor closet replacement kit achieves the same thing. While also giving the Head of Personal something to do.

[Guest Complete Garbage]

I like the idea of a janibuddy system. I'd rather have two of pretty much everything though instead of just a few duplicates, that way you aren't totally screwed if you get two janitors and no cargo.

[Nanako]

Lets not forget that slapping janitor access on an assistant, and ordering nearly an entire janitor closet replacement kit achieves the same thing. While also giving the Head of Personal something to do.

 

No janicart, which is crippling

No light replacer, which is a huge pain

No galoshes, which is something of an annoyance

Unless these items are added to a custodial crate, or made constructable somehow, that idea doesnt work

[afitz]

I do think that another janitor slot would be useful, but only when there are enough players connected. Really this will need to be regulated by the players choosing their roles. Otherwise I would be up for this. One more free vamp card sounds good to me.

[Nanako]

auuugh, the janitor slot keeps getting taken by griefers who just screw around, or by people who get antag, and thus murder things instead of doing the job.

Either way in 60% of the rounds, the station ends up a total mess, and its hard to do anything about it effectively without that janicart.

There's no reason for janitor to be so restricted, give us the second janitor slot at least. please make it happen soon. I have a character just for playing janitor and i get to use her so rarely

[Guest]

IIRC from fowl, he mentioned there will be 2 station janitors in the new map.

[Nanako]

IIRC from fowl, he mentioned there will be 2 station janitors in the new map.

I also recall a mention of the janitor closet being turned into a tiny 1x1 square, which seems dumb to me. I hope that's been changed.

In any case though, the new map is an indeterminate (and possibly long) time away. This is a really quick and simple change to make, i'd really like to see it ASAP.

[Zundy]

Ya know, if you want to be a janitor but some mad retard chuckler has taken the slot you can just mooch over to a HoP and be turned into one.

No gear? A crate of janitorial supplies is sufficient for your needs.

"But Zundy, no cart means it takes longeeeer."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Get mopping fam.

[SierraKomodo]

IIRC from fowl, he mentioned there will be 2 station janitors in the new map.

I also recall a mention of the janitor closet being turned into a tiny 1x1 square, which seems dumb to me. I hope that's been changed.

 

That was a suggestion made by Meow, not anything officially stated by the mapping team.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Get mopping fam.

 

The next time you encroach on my thing I'm filing a ban request. These are my memes.

And maybe I don't want to spend the first 15 minutes begging to become a janitor. Maybe I just want to spawn in and start mopping. My argument is that the role isn't special and exclusive enough to need to be locked being a single job slot, especially when it consists of something as vital as cleaning up all the bullet casings and gore we leave sprawled all over the halls.

[Zundy]

The next time you encroach on my thing I'm filing a ban request. These are my memes.

 

Try it m8, swear on me mum.

I'm all for having this be an extra slot (or two because hell why not), just all be aware that you can get your self jani-ed-up if need be, hell, you could just order the gear as an Assistant from cargo and just go to town as a temporary measure.

You don't need authority from the HoP to clean blood and shit off the floor.

[LordFowl]

I would like to clarify that I never said there would be two janitor roles on the new map, although I am not necessarily opposed to the idea. Furthermore, if you want any mapping changes to be done to the current map, you will need to follow the guidelines presented here http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5835. I'm not opposed to giving the janitor's closet extra supplies, however creating a second janitor slot wholesale is A) not under my authority, and B) constitute a significant change to game-balance. (Yes, janitor count is a significant change to game-balance), and would by my creed require a suggestion thread like this.

[Nanako]

And maybe I don't want to spend the first 15 minutes begging to become a janitor.

Agreed. For various RP reasons these things are never as simple as they seem. You have to page the HoP and get him to come to his office, cuz he's never there. Then convince him that you're trustworthy for the role, and that whatever you currently do isn't more important, then hand over your ID for the necessary processing.

And even then, without the extra items, you're seriously crippled as a pseudojanitor. The cart and lightreplacer are really critical.

 

My argument is that the role isn't special and exclusive enough to need to be locked being a single job slot, especially when it consists of something as vital as cleaning up all the bullet casings and gore we leave sprawled all over the halls.

Agreed. There's no logical reason for something like this to be limited, personally i think we should have four janitor slots. but two would at least be a step in the right direction.

[Nanako]

(Yes, janitor count is a significant change to game-balance), and would by my creed require a suggestion thread like this.

how so?

I'd argue janitor is only a major balance thing in gang warfare mode, which this server doesn't have.

I know the janitor can clean cult runes, but so can anyone else with a spacecleaner bottle. Medical has at least five of them, engineering and security have one each too, and more can be ordered from cargo.

[Guest]

I would like to clarify that I never said there would be two janitor roles on the new map, although I am not necessarily opposed to the idea. Furthermore, if you want any mapping changes to be done to the current map, you will need to follow the guidelines presented here http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5835. I'm not opposed to giving the janitor's closet extra supplies, however creating a second janitor slot wholesale is A) not under my authority, and B) constitute a significant change to game-balance. (Yes, janitor count is a significant change to game-balance), and would by my creed require a suggestion thread like this.

 

Thankfully, we have this thread right here to discuss whether or not adding a second janitor slot + an expanded closet would be a good feature to add.

I'm for it, considering the station will be split into 3 z-levels and there's no way 1 janitor can get anything done.

[LordFowl]

(Yes, janitor count is a significant change to game-balance), and would by my creed require a suggestion thread like this.

how so?

I'd argue janitor is only a major balance thing in gang warfare mode, which this server doesn't have.

I know the janitor can clean cult runes, but so can anyone else with a spacecleaner bottle. Medical has at least five of them, engineering and security have one each too, and more can be ordered from cargo.

 

This is for a variety of reasons, but the one that is easiest to understand is that it requires staff co-operation, because defining role amount is a coder thing. The other reason is a matter of perspective; while any amount of janitors may not have a severe impact on the entire round, an additional janitor slot will definitely have an impact on the janitor. Whether this impact is beneficial or not isn't really relevant when questioning its significance.

While I can't guarantee a second janitor slot wholesale, I can tell you that its very likely that there will be extra custodial supplies somewhere on the station in the new map.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I swear this community picks the most random things to have a moral panic over.

[Nanako]

I swear this community picks the most random things to have a moral panic over.

agreed. extra janitor slot nao pls

[Zundy]

To be honest, one janitor handles shiz as is. The only reason why we have hallways coated in vombit/blood etc is because the Janitor got bored and went SSD. Two slots just means two SSD janitors to be honest droogies.

I say add cart et al to things cargo can order. Solves everything.

[Nikov]

I strongly agree that we need two or more janitors. It makes little sense to have dozens of "assistants", who do precisely fuck all, and only one janitor, who is responsible for cleaning up everyone's mess. With Cleanbots outlawed, this is exactly what we need.

[Nanako]

To be honest, one janitor handles shiz as is. The only reason why we have hallways coated in vombit/blood etc is because the Janitor got bored and went SSD. Two slots just means two SSD janitors to be honest droogies.

I say add cart et al to things cargo can order. Solves everything.

No

When things get really bad, noe janitor just can't handle it, the mop is not fast enough. I've played rounds where i janited my heart out constantly and still couldn't keep up with the mess. at seriously bad times a second one is needed

Also your statement about going SSD doesn't make sense. Four security officer slots doesn't mean four SSD officers More people to fill a job means less chance that all of them will be SSD at once. It also means that should one janitor go SSD, the other can find them (custodial locator yay), recover their sleeping body (because same access) and cryo them so that a third person can take that slot.

And, as jackboot mentions originally, it also means that they can buddy up. Instead of standing alone mopping hallways, they can team up, discuss how to divide labour, and thus avoid loneliness and boredom. they can spend time together grumbling about how messy people are, and trade tips about janiting, learn from each other. Everyone deserves some socialisation. Having someone to talk to means less chance of going SSD

Thus i argue, having two janitors will mean a net decrease in the frequency of SSD janitors, not an increase

[Zundy]

To be honest, one janitor handles shiz as is. The only reason why we have hallways coated in vombit/blood etc is because the Janitor got bored and went SSD. Two slots just means two SSD janitors to be honest droogies.

I say add cart et al to things cargo can order. Solves everything.

No

When things get really bad, noe janitor just can't handle it, the mop is not fast enough. I've played rounds where i janited my heart out constantly and still couldn't keep up with the mess. at seriously bad times a second one is needed

Also your statement about going SSD doesn't make sense. Four security officer slots doesn't mean four SSD officers More people to fill a job means less chance that all of them will be SSD at once. It also means that should one janitor go SSD, the other can find them (custodial locator yay), recover their sleeping body (because same access) and cryo them so that a third person can take that slot.

And, as jackboot mentions originally, it also means that they can buddy up. Instead of standing alone mopping hallways, they can team up, discuss how to divide labour, and thus avoid loneliness and boredom. they can spend time together grumbling about how messy people are, and trade tips about janiting, learn from each other. Everyone deserves some socialisation. Having someone to talk to means less chance of going SSD

Thus i argue, having two janitors will mean a net decrease in the frequency of SSD janitors, not an increase

 

Fair, you have won me over.

[Nanako]

Fair, you have won me over.

Wait, really? That never happens.

Yaaay <3