[Resolved] Player Complaint - Abendroth, RoderickGrey

[Brayce]

BYOND Key: Brayce

Game ID:bwt1Tf

Player Byond Key: Abendorth, RoderickGrey

Staff involved: None that I contacted

Reason for complaint:

I originally made this IR complaint against both characters

http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=90&p=67982

It was thrown out due to the prisoner in question happened to be a vampire. So now we move onto a player complaint while I'd prefer to stay IC I still think the sec play from both players was pretty poor. Slightly Edited IR report Incoming!

The incident began when I heard Legatus ask over communications who should he talk to about Security allowing the Chaplain to force water down someone's throat. I then shortly after heard this from the Warden Nia Snyder "It's proving to be an effective method." I quickly made my way over to Security, and I saw all I needed to confirm the validity of Lagatus's concerns. Nia Synder played by Abendroth was allowing, and it was claimed, participated in the torture of a prisoner tied to the chair by the Chaplain. The prisoner in question was revealed to eventually be the vamprie Kanda Ratree who as far as I could tell was a new player. When I arrived Surgeon Astor Shaner played by Candiandollar was already there wanting to get to the prisoner to administer treatment of which he was being denied by Snyder, and Fenrir played by RoderickGrey who was also present, and overseeing the act. At my order Legatus let us in, and I asked Shaner to tend to the Prisoner. I was distracted shortly afterwards, and by time I had returned the prisoner had jumped down disposals. Snyder claimed that I was at fault, and I should never have let Shaner in there. Quote 'do not get in the way of Security work. You may be a head, but you're still an Engineer.' Security work in this case torturing a antag. Shortly afterwards with the permission of the Chief Medical Officer I took on Acting Captaincy. Snyder pretty much brushed this off being frankly childish in her continued insults direct at me, and Engineering in general. I charged her with Mistreatment of a Prisoner, and ordered her arrested. She was cuffed due to the Borg's belief that Snyder was unstable and would fire upon him with an E-gun. Once in processing she explained the reason of her actions leading up to the time I intervened. Which involved them responding, and finding Ratree chewing on a corpse. After a fight they subdued her, and asked for Medical to come to the brig. The Chaplain showed up wanting to help, and they said why since Ratree was acting unnaturally afraid of the Chaplain. At which point the Chaplain started bonking Ratree on the head with a nullrod, and forcing holy water down their throat. I saw no reason why Security would allow it to continue as it did there was literally no reason if they thought it was a new organism that's Medical, or Science they jumped straight to vampire after seeing Ratree drink blood. ICly Oliver has no use for the supernatural, mystical, or any spooky/magical antag always explaining it of with technology he thought Snyder had lost it, and the way she was acting only reinforced that belief. I decided the charges would stick, but she had served time telling her story so I told her i would in addition to time served be demoting her to cadet since I couldn't trust her to act professionally as a Warden. At this time Captain Vincent LeChiffre played by UnknownMurder arrived, and Snyder, and Fenrir proceeded to ignore any of my calls up to that point informing me to 'go back to your Engineering'. I informed Captain LeChiffre of the current events, and he asked me to continue in my capacity as Acting Captain. I informed him of my intentions to demote Snyder, and he agreed furthering wanting her to be suspended. I let him know Security had no intention of listening to me, and he made an announcement for Security should listen to me. At this time I went to the Head of Securities office to get the paperwork requested in order. Fenrir decided, despite me continuing in my capacity as Acting Captain, and informing him of such that I was trespassing, and tabled me followed by holding me in a neck grab. He claimed until he saw I was still Acting Captain in writing he didn't have to listen, and Captain LeChiffre had to come down personally to see me released. When later the paperwork was filed I presented it to Snyder to inform her of the decision. She refused to comply with the order, and tore up the copy of demotion papers. I ordered her arrested yet again for neglect of duty since I had no idea what refusing to be demoted fell under. Fenrir asked for a warrent which was provided, and then flatly refused to follow orders in addition to threatening other officers with detainment if they tried to follow the order to detain them. At this time IAA McBell played by SierraKomodo arrived, and Fenrir, and Snyder refused to comply with arrests until he had fully investigated the matter. As we moved to the office other security officers tried to arrest Fenrir, and Snyder but Fenrir disarmed them, and me and McBell told the officers to stand down for the time being .I gave my statement to Agent Bell, and left to help deal with a blob which showed up. Later I was informed that Central Command had ordered the suspension of both Fenrir, and Snyder pending an investigation into the matter. LeChiffre bailed on me, but had the suspension forms completed. Again once confronted by the order for suspension, and confirmation from Agent McBell that they had been filed properly both Snyder, and Fenrir refused to comply, quoting my 'Engineering' bias, and lack of the 'right' evidence as reasons why the order was invalid despite it coming from Captain LeChiffre. Fenrir further elaborated that Security had better not come to arrest them lest his bag become full of their weapons. Both Fenrir, and Snyder refused to recognize the chain of command throughout the shift always believing themselves to be in the 'right' or else claiming any arrest on them was illegal regardless of the arguments presented, or procedures followed. They basically holed up in the IAA's office ignoring everyone waiting for their personal CCIA lawyer to come down and exonerate them of all liability for their actions.

Characters involved

- Nia Snyder, Warden (Abendroth)

- Fenrir, Security Officer (RoderickGrey)

- Astor Sharner: Doctor :(Canadiandollar)

- Legatus, Sec Borg (?: Don't know)

-Vincent LeChriffre: Captain (UnknownMurder)

-Amos McBell: IAA (SierraKomodo)

-Kanda Ratree: Vampire Antag In question (Prillup)

-Urist Melons: Chaplain (? Don't know seemed pretty new as well)

Approximate Date/Time: 4:30ish CST 8/29/16

[Roderick Grey]

Sorry would it be possible for you to explain what I did personally that warrants this complaint?

What rules did I actually break? It would be a lot easier for me to discuss this if you were specific and concise about the problems you had with my sec play and how you would've preferred I dealt with your ic actions.

From my perspective we had medical look at them and they were unable to help the vampire who was able to flash anyone that entered the room besides the Chaplain who offered to help, we allowed it as we could either attempt to help the feral, dangerous beast or let it rot in solitary; to clarify, we had not intention of torturing the prisoner, it was an attempt at treatment, albeit a clearly uncomfortable one. Oliver Roadman then barged into Sec and started issuing orders and insulting the Warden, the Warden, who was now defensive and upset started issuing orders and insulting back. At this point I felt both IC and OOC that Roadman was less interested in the plight of the prisoner and more interested in punishing the Warden, this was reflected in the majority of the back and forth consisting of roadman accusing and Synder defending. I eventually asked roadman to leave, as a CE I felt like he was over stepping his authority by barging into the brig. while escorting him to the lobby a scientist managed to enter the brig (not communal, just the hallway) and the CE promptly charged them with trespassing, flashed them and threw them out while I was more than capable of dealing with it myself. Oliver and I argued, him quoting misconduct and me pointing out that as CE it's not his place to charge and flash civilians or storm the brig demanding arrests...

While we bickered the Vampire had manged to unbuckle and get into Disposals, according to the Warden the doctor in their panic blocked their passage. Astor and I were the first to respond, I kept them cuffed and got them the treatment they required, then escorted them to solitary as the treatment, although it turned the Vampire more feral was sadly, a failure. While I was managing the prisoner Oliver Roadman had taken Acting Captain and had ordered the Arrest of the Warden, who, although complying fully was cuffed and buckled to a chair, I performed the processing myself, searching them and this was the first time the CE, now acting Captain listened to Sec's side of the events, when asked why he didn't ask before the arrest he stated that "the sec department has a long history of fuck ups" Nia and I both brought up that that really isn't really valid reasoning as a department is formed by the individuals in it and the members should be judged based on their own actions, not the actions of others before them in the same department. While we argued The Captain, played by UM arrived. the CE still demanded Nia's demotion, I advised they turn over any weapons and stay around the brig until this is sorted and approved by the Captain (including paperwork). The CE continued to argue and I simply told him that as he was no longer Captain processing was no place for him and he should leave, he then stormed off and I received reports he had gone directly to the HoS' office. The Captain, not really taking any active role in the departmental dispute at this time had made a vaguely worded announcement that "security was to listen to the CE" if UM MEANT the CE was now the HoS or acting captain he never competently communicated that, all the announcement did was tell us to hear out the CE, which wasn't an issue in the first place, but UM does have issues playing as Heads of staff in regards to delegation and communication from what I've seen of his Captain and HoS play.

Hearing the reports of the CE now in the HoS' office I responded, the A.I opening the door, I told him to get out, he ignored me, so I tabled him and pulled him out, the captain arrived on the scene, told us that roadman was now the acting captain to clarify, and went back to sitting in the bridge. Roadman, over sec comms then started to demand Nia's forceful arrest, who at the time was in my custody, outside the HoS' office in the briefing room. I told him if he wanted them arrested he can file a warrant, and if he wanted demotion he could get the papers for that too, by the time he sorted the warrant most of sec was in the briefing room, some attempting to perform the arrest prematurely, I told them not to, if they did I would stop them. Before the CE sorted the demotion papers the Internal affairs agent arrived and told us to come to their office, I took Nia from the briefing room and responded, with Oliver Roadman yelling over comms to stop us and arrest us. Klaus Eliade pulled out his gun, chased us into the office, swapped to his baton and hit me, I disarmed him and handed the baton to the IA agent, he then pulled a pistol on me so I disarmed that too, and handed it to the Ia agent the door then closed and Klaus and another officer started fighting eachother outside. We waited for Roadman to arrive and give his side to the agent, he then left and I gave our side, while doing so roadman came back with papers telling us he contacted CC and we were now suspend, we refused it and told him we would tell the IA our side and deal with it on the Odin when CC had both sides of the story.

In short if you want command respected, you need to be respectful and competent, you can't barge in and issue orders, and then find justification for them later, you can't order Sec officers around as the CE in the brig, you also can't issue arrest warrants on them as a CE. If you wanted your orders to be respected as Acting Captain you shouldn't have tried to get away with trying to take over brig operations as CE while blatantly flouting procedure and respect for the sec staff and the department itself. In my eyes you turned the sec department in on itself to feed some sec hate-boner and the Captain wasn't competent enough to handle you, we co-operated fully with the I.A agent because they were respectful and were actually willing to hear nia's side.

I spoke to you looc, I offered to chat with you about this, I know I'm far from perfect and if you actually have something constructive to say to me in regards to the round or my play in general feel free to contact me on discord. For the record I usually think you're a great Rper, one of the first and most fun experiences I've had with Aurora was when you and the A.I were traitors, you basically just bought Syndicate balloons, framed another traitor and spent the whole round just fucking with our heads, it was great.

[DatBerry]

I was involved as the chaplain, ill tell my side of the story:

I was walking around departments to see if any needed some blessing and advertised the chapel, when i got to sec i found them in the proccessing room getting flashed by the prisoner.

Fenrir asked me why i came and i offered help, most of sec was against me entering till the second eye flashing happened and i was untouched, seeing i had validity to my claim i started bullshitting about a level 80 demon inside her and wanted to do an exorcism, we dragged them off to the communal area because i needed more space, there i tried a few things, first talked with them, tried to wave my rod over their head but great bay mechanics made my hand slip and whack them on the head, damaging my reputation, after running out of ideas i fill them with holy water and tell them the prisoner (kanda) needs the will power to be free'd, hopping they would pretend to be excoristed and maybe get a lowered sentence, the doctor comes in trying to treat the prisoner and calling me a lunatic, as me, the doc and warden argue this gives the vamp enough time to jump down disposals, too bad blood heal wasn't enough to fix them up in time.

Later the CE barged into the communal area asking for the prisoner for god knows what reason, this was basically trespassing as he only has access to the sec hallway + exceeding offical power and imo just being a shit head of staff.

I wasnt there for the later part of the argument but this seems like metagrudge on a whole department why a CE would waste all this time on a crusade against security when a captain has already arrived puzzles me, dont you have your own department to worry about? Seriously.

EDIT: i remember now what happened afterwards, There was a xenobio outbreak that killed almost 5 people because sec just never responded, now it seems like they couldn't respond due to being under investigation.

[UnknownMurder]

While we argued The Captain, played by UM arrived. the CE still demanded Nia's demotion, I advised they turn over any weapons and stay around the brig until this is sorted and approved by the Captain (including paperwork).

The Suspension Paper? I approved those two papers. You tore them up. I did authorize the Security should be staying in the brig with weapons holstered, however not turned over.

 

The CE continued to argue and I simply told him that as he was no longer Captain processing was no place for him and he should leave, he then stormed off and I received reports he had gone directly to the HoS' office.

 

I had authorized Chief Engineer to remain as Acting Captain to clear up the mutiny that were occurring in the Security. The Internal Affairs Agent was fine with the decision I made.

 

The Captain, not really taking any active role in the departmental dispute at this time had made a vaguely worded announcement that "security was to listen to the CE" if UM MEANT the CE was now the HoS or acting captain he never competently communicated that, all the announcement did was tell us to hear out the CE, which wasn't an issue in the first place

 

And I was waiting for more description in the PDA that you were sending to me. You all were refusing to obey Acting Captain's orders.

 

UM does have issues playing as Heads of staff in regards to delegation and communication from what I've seen of his Captain and HoS play.

 

And you have problems following the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP). I was willingly to PDA to you.

 

Hearing the reports of the CE now in the HoS' office I responded, the A.I opening the door, I told him to get out, he ignored me, so I tabled him and pulled him out, the captain arrived on the scene, told us that roadman was now the acting captain to clarify.

The Chief Engineer was indeed authorized to be Acting Captain until the security mutiny is over.

 

if he wanted demotion he could get the papers for that too, by the time he sorted the warrant most of sec was in the briefing room, some attempting to perform the arrest prematurely, I told them not to, if they did I would stop them.

 

And you tore up the papers.

 

Before the CE sorted the demotion papers the Internal affairs agent arrived and told us to come to their office

Again once confronted by the order for suspension, and confirmation from Agent McBell that they had been filed properly both Snyder, and Fenrir refused to comply, quoting my 'Engineering' bias, and lack of the 'right' evidence as reasons why the order was invalid despite it coming from Captain LeChiffre.

 

I was the one who sorted the suspension and gave it to the IAA. IAA says the the suspension papers are correctly filed in Brayce's testimony.

 

while doing so roadman came back with papers telling us he contacted CC and we were now suspend

 

I was the one who contacted Central Command. I was the one who gave the papers to IAA.

 

In short if you want command respected, you need to be respectful and competent, you can't barge in and issue orders, and then find justification for them later, you can't order Sec officers around as the CE in the brig, you also can't issue arrest warrants on them as a CE. If you wanted your orders to be respected as Acting Captain you shouldn't have tried to get away with trying to take over brig operations as CE while blatantly flouting procedure and respect for the sec staff and the department itself.

 

You tend to twist your words regarding rank position. The Chief Engineer as the Acting Captain CAN order Officers around in the brig and issue arrest warrants.

Unsure that if I had left anything out that needs to be discussed or corrected in Roderick's testimony.

[DatBerry]

While we argued The Captain, played by UM arrived. the CE still demanded Nia's demotion, I advised they turn over any weapons and stay around the brig until this is sorted and approved by the Captain (including paperwork).

The Suspension Paper? I approved those two papers. You tore them up. I did authorize the Security should be staying in the brig with weapons holstered, however not turned over.

 

The CE continued to argue and I simply told him that as he was no longer Captain processing was no place for him and he should leave, he then stormed off and I received reports he had gone directly to the HoS' office.

 

I had authorized Chief Engineer to remain as Acting Captain to clear up the mutiny that were occurring in the Security. The Internal Affairs Agent was fine with the decision I made.

 

The Captain, not really taking any active role in the departmental dispute at this time had made a vaguely worded announcement that "security was to listen to the CE" if UM MEANT the CE was now the HoS or acting captain he never competently communicated that, all the announcement did was tell us to hear out the CE, which wasn't an issue in the first place

 

And I was waiting for more description in the PDA that you were sending to me. You all were refusing to obey Acting Captain's orders.

 

UM does have issues playing as Heads of staff in regards to delegation and communication from what I've seen of his Captain and HoS play.

 

And you have problems following the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP). I was willingly to PDA to you.

 

Hearing the reports of the CE now in the HoS' office I responded, the A.I opening the door, I told him to get out, he ignored me, so I tabled him and pulled him out, the captain arrived on the scene, told us that roadman was now the acting captain to clarify.

The Chief Engineer was indeed authorized to be Acting Captain until the security mutiny is over.

 

if he wanted demotion he could get the papers for that too, by the time he sorted the warrant most of sec was in the briefing room, some attempting to perform the arrest prematurely, I told them not to, if they did I would stop them.

 

And you tore up the papers.

 

Before the CE sorted the demotion papers the Internal affairs agent arrived and told us to come to their office

Again once confronted by the order for suspension, and confirmation from Agent McBell that they had been filed properly both Snyder, and Fenrir refused to comply, quoting my 'Engineering' bias, and lack of the 'right' evidence as reasons why the order was invalid despite it coming from Captain LeChiffre.

 

I was the one who sorted the suspension and gave it to the IAA. IAA says the the suspension papers are correctly filed in Brayce's testimony.

 

while doing so roadman came back with papers telling us he contacted CC and we were now suspend

 

I was the one who contacted Central Command. I was the one who gave the papers to IAA.

 

In short if you want command respected, you need to be respectful and competent, you can't barge in and issue orders, and then find justification for them later, you can't order Sec officers around as the CE in the brig, you also can't issue arrest warrants on them as a CE. If you wanted your orders to be respected as Acting Captain you shouldn't have tried to get away with trying to take over brig operations as CE while blatantly flouting procedure and respect for the sec staff and the department itself.

 

You tend to twist your words regarding rank position. The Chief Engineer as the Acting Captain CAN order Officers around in the brig and issue arrest warrants.

Unsure that if I had left anything out that needs to be discussed or corrected in Roderick's testimony.

 

The incident started with oliver as CE, he started butting into Security matters as the chief engineer, only claiming acting captain when rightfully told to fuck off.

You speak of SOP, yet you're saying what a was refusing orders to be mutiny, you've also approved and issued suspension forms based on one person's side of the story.

Im not sure what made you think THE CHIEF ENGINEER is capable of handling SECURITY issues, he is no where in his job description qualified to do that.

And i like to know where you heard a mutiny came from, because this is a blatant lie used to exaggerate what happened, and you acting upon it without investigating is really total incompetence.

[SierraKomodo]

As the IAA that late-joined into the middle of this, I'm just going to mention most of this following the initial torture incident was a massive cluster fuck of communication failures between command staff and security, and a failure on security's part to obey the chain of command, and a failure on the CE's part to follow the chain of command. If it weren't for antag involvement I'd expect everyone involved to at the least been reprimanded by CCIA.

[UnknownMurder]

I see where you're coming from, DatBerry.

I just saw Security grabbing the CE by neck and forcing him out excessively when the AI called for me. I just heard Security torturing a personnel and testimonies by AI. CE was attempting to stop the torture, IAA found out about it and assisted CE from my perspective. The artificial intelligence is a credible source. As for the mutiny, there were several statements over the Security comms that Security were pointing weapons at each other. I mean, refusing orders, I mean by. Small mutineers in the Security turning weapons at each other, while already had tore up the suspension forms authorized by the Central Command. What would you think their behavior would have caused the Captain, Chief Engineer, or Internal Affairs Agent to do, how do you think a Captain or Chief Engineer would see or hear suspension paper being tore up and started pointing guns. Chief Engineer was to remain as Acting Captain and cooperate with the Internal Affairs Agent to seeing the incident closing down, Oliver Roadman would then lose the Acting Captain and return to duty as his respectable occupation, Chief Engineer. If you would look to the server logs, there are statements of AI mentioning mutiny where I picked up from there.

[Roderick Grey]

The Suspension Paper? I approved those two papers. You tore them up. I did authorize the Security should be staying in the brig with weapons holstered, however not turned over.

No, that was in regards to BEFORE you arrived, which I stated. (Also I never tore up any paper, that was Nia Snyder, if you kept yourself in the loop you'd know that)

 

The CE continued to argue and I simply told him that as he was no longer Captain processing was no place for him and he should leave, he then stormed off and I received reports he had gone directly to the HoS' office.

I had authorized Chief Engineer to remain as Acting Captain to clear up the mutiny that were occurring in the Security (Without telling us, which is my point the only time you told us about that was after I had dragged him out of the HoS office.). The Internal Affairs Agent was fine with the decision I made. (This desicion was made before the IA arrived and I'm guessing, was approved of later.)

The Captain, not really taking any active role in the departmental dispute at this time had made a vaguely worded announcement that "security was to listen to the CE" if UM MEANT the CE was now the HoS or acting captain he never competently communicated that, all the announcement did was tell us to hear out the CE, which wasn't an issue in the first place

 

And I was waiting for more description in the PDA that you were sending to me. You all were refusing to obey Acting Captain's orders.

You didn't TELL security that he was acting captain until after I dragged him out of the HoS office, I can't follow an acting captain's orders if I don't know they're the acting captain.

Hearing the reports of the CE now in the HoS' office I responded, the A.I opening the door, I told him to get out, he ignored me, so I tabled him and pulled him out, the captain arrived on the scene, told us that roadman was now the acting captain to clarify.

 

The Chief Engineer was indeed authorized to be Acting Captain until the security mutiny is over.

Again, not communicated to Security until after I dragged him out for suspected infiltration, that's bad communication, and your responsibility.

if he wanted demotion he could get the papers for that too, by the time he sorted the warrant most of sec was in the briefing room, some attempting to perform the arrest prematurely, I told them not to, if they did I would stop them.

And you tore up the papers.

I never tore up any papers, that was Nia Synder and they did that once, before you even arrived.

 

Small mutineers in the Security turning weapons at each other, while already had tore up the suspension forms authorized by the Central Command. What would you think their behavior would have caused the Captain, Chief Engineer, or Internal Affairs Agent to do, how do you think a Captain or Chief Engineer would see or hear suspension paper being tore up and started pointing guns.

 

This is your inability to lead shining through, you have access to security's radio you could've asked who was pointing guns at who, and if you look at Brayce's report WE NEVER USED A WEAPON; the only sec officer that ever resorted to weapons was Klaus Eliade who batoned me because the CE ordered my arrest while I walked to the IA office, pulled out a gun and then lost that before getting kicked out of the office and tase/cuffing another officer for not helping him arrest me! Again, Nia tore up a demotion paper from Roadman before you got on the station, no other papers were torn up and we never brandished weaponry. The CE tore sec apart when the station needed us and instead of helping MEDIATE, you took a side, encouraging the schism which then made sec useless.

 

In short if you want command respected, you need to be respectful and competent, you can't barge in and issue orders, and then find justification for them later, you can't order Sec officers around as the CE in the brig, you also can't issue arrest warrants on them as a CE. If you wanted your orders to be respected as Acting Captain you shouldn't have tried to get away with trying to take over brig operations as CE while blatantly flouting procedure and respect for the sec staff and the department itself.

 

You tend to twist your words regarding rank position. The Chief Engineer as the Acting Captain CAN order Officers around in the brig and issue arrest warrants.

 

I'm not twisting words, you're just failing to understand what the CE was attempting to do before you got on the station. He attempted to take over brig operations and THEN took acting captain in an attempt to justify it, you would've known all this is you were competent enough to gather security's side, instead you just became the CE's yes man and wrote off half of security as mutineers despite Nia and I being the least violent party, Nia was literally just trying to help a clearly sick prisoner and then the CE tried to demote them to feed his Engie hate-boner, I sent you my report via PDA, but you could've met with us and heard this out, you could've mediated, you could've done something rather than enabling the CE's Sec crusade.

Your HoS and Captain characters have big issues managing staff, this has lead to several unenjoyable rounds with you, according to other HoS' I chat with you seem to be good at Sec as Drake bond, but when you take a leadership position all communication breaks down as you turn departments in on themselves, a fair few sec players agree with me on this. Both characters need to seriously work on their leadership ability because it gets people killed and causes A LOT of frustration.

To summarize: if you guys don't like sec arguing with you the CE needs to be able to deal with sec officers who think they're "THE LAW" without trying to become "THE LAW" themselves, the only reason I sided with Nia was because the way you handled the situation was unbearable. And as HoS and Captain you should really be trying to work with and develop your staff, not simply seek to punish and even if punishment was deserved the way you went about it was abysmal, you just handed all responsibility to the CE, why even play Captain in the first place?

[Brayce]

*Cracks fingers* LET'S DO THIS!

 

From my perspective we had medical look at them and they were unable to help the vampire

 

Now let me stop you right there because something should be sorted out because

http://prntscr.com/cco7up

I was told you called for Medical, but the Chaplain showed up instead? The only medical involvement I know of is when Astor who was yelling about how what you were doing wasn't right, and demanded to be let in which he wasn't until I arrived, and Legatus opened up the door for me without me saying a word.

 

Oliver Roadman then barged into Sec and started issuing orders and insulting the Warden

 

I called Sec out for being incompetent for allowing it to continue, and that was it. The only 'order' I gave was 'Doctor, Scan them', and 'Open this door' when the doctor wanted to get out. That's it. In fact I gave absolutely no orders to anyone, but the borg, and that was only to open the door. I then asked the CMO if they would mind if I took on Acting Captaincy quoting the torture that happened on the brig, and they agreed, Snyder on the other hand was laying it on thick with the profanities in my general direction.

So I wrote a whole post, and then lost it so here's a quick, and dirty version.

So I took Acting Captain, and ordered Snyder arrested for Mistreatment of prisoners. Legatus performed the arrest, and cuffed her. Yes. She was compliant, but given her outbursts, the fact that she was armed. Legatus thought she was going to pull a gun, and blast him into scrap, and it was hard for me not to see that happening. So Yeah. I was okay with her getting cuffed. When Fenrir said it was improper because she complied i uncuffed her myself. So now I give Snyder a chance to tell me her story at which point she doesn't not only confirm she tortured the guy she spent the entire time explaining to me Why it was okay for her to do this. Uh.. No It's still not okay, and yes your still in trouble. When asked why I didn't let them explain sooner, and why didn't I just ask, and I quote

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YES! Of course. Why didn't I ask Security if they were performing highly illegal actions HOW SILLY OF ME!

"Hello Sir, are you robbing this bank? No? Alright then Good citizen be on your way. Oh don't forget your AK"

Really?

So then Fenrir tries to explain how I shouldn't let my perceptions about the department color the individual members, and how they are all different with no -. As hes saying this Synder starts yelling how Engineering is always causing trouble for Sec so.. Okay? Got it.

I continue my course of action to demote Snyder as i219 suggests the captain arrives. Yay. I can get out of this shithole of a situation, and go back to doing other things. Oh. Wait. Captain wants me to stay as Acting Captain. Right Fine.

"Hey Sec won't listen to me at all. Your going to have to tell them"

http://prntscr.com/ccpcc6

Done. So I continue to try to demote Snyder

http://prntscr.com/ccpcpm

Writing? Uh.. What? Since when do you have to have that to listen?

Hearing the reports of the CE now in the HoS' office I responded, the A.I opening the door, I told him to get out, he ignored me, so I tabled him and pulled him out, the captain arrived on the scene, told us that roadman was now the acting captain to clarify, and went back to sitting in the bridge. Roadman, over sec comms then started to demand Nia's forceful arrest, who at the time was in my custody, outside the HoS' office in the briefing room. I told him if he wanted them arrested he can file a warrant,

 

Uh.. What?

http://prntscr.com/ccpdlo

You said nothing. You walked in, and tabled me, and in any case I didn't have a chance to respond since I was talking to the Captain.

Edit: Derp. You did say something as Berry pointed out I didn't even notice it when reviewing logs. In game I wasn't really paying attention to anything other than what the captain was saying in the sea of text, and when I looked up I saw Fenrir run in at mach 10, and grab me

Though I will admit. Yes at this point Oliver was pissed, and entered the Head of Securities office solely to piss of Security since he thought they knew he was still Acting Captain, as captain informed him they shouldn't be a problem.I also did order Snyder's arrest for tearing up her demotion papers at which point Fenrir asked for a warrant.

Edit: Derp. You did say something as Berry pointed out I didn't even notice it when reviewing logs. In game I wasn't really paying attention to anything other than what the captain was saying in the sea of text, and when I looked up I saw Fenrir run in from two rooms away, and grab me

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Done! There you go! Now can you please stop-. Oh.

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I guess not since you said this to other officers trying to bring in Snyder with the warrant I just handed you.

and if he wanted demotion he could get the papers for that too, by the time he sorted the warrant most of sec was in the briefing room, some attempting to perform the arrest prematurely,

Prematurely.. Right.

I took Nia from the briefing room and responded, with Oliver Roadman yelling over comms to stop us and arrest us.

Yes as you were leaving I said arrest her because at the time I had no idea an IAA had arrived I didn't 'yell' it over comms I said it in person of you, Snyder, and two other officers once I realized what was going on I ordered Security to stop, and calm down.

 

In short if you want command respected, you need to be respectful and competent, you can't barge in and issue orders, and then find justification for them later, you can't order Sec officers around as the CE in the brig, you also can't issue arrest warrants on them as a CE. If you wanted your orders to be respected as Acting Captain you shouldn't have tried to get away with trying to take over brig operations as CE while blatantly flouting procedure and respect for the sec staff and the department itself. In my eyes you turned the sec department in on itself to feed some sec hate-boner and the Captain wasn't competent enough to handle you, we co-operated fully with the I.A agent because they were respectful and were actually willing to hear nia's side.

 

I believed I was acting quite calm, and I tried to remain as unbiased as I could despite Snyder yelling profanities at me like a child the entire time. I didn't issue orders, and find justification. I found justification. Realized I had no authority. Got said Authority, and then issued orders. Never tried to order Sec around as CE never tried to take over brig operations, and respect is a two way street. I wanted Snyder demote as she continued to call me a fuckhead the entire time. The CAPTAIN wanted her suspended, and I talked him out of it. Oliver doesn't know 100% Sec procedure, and anything Fenrir asked for in regards to paperwork or procedure Oliver provided as best he could. I saw Security acting improperly as a member of COMMAND who's job it was to oversee the station as a whole I couldn't stand by, and let it continue. It was my job to step in.

 

I spoke to you looc, I offered to chat with you about this, I know I'm far from perfect and if you actually have something constructive to say to me in regards to the round or my play in general feel free to contact me on discord. For the record I usually think you're a great Rper, one of the first and most fun experiences I've had with Aurora was when you and the A.I were traitors, you basically just bought Syndicate balloons, framed another traitor and spent the whole round just fucking with our heads, it was great.

 

No ones perfect, and you did try to contact me in regards to this, but when you did for me it was 1am, and I had quite enough of a headache from this situation already with the admin SNAFU regarding the whole where it should be in the first place. You offered to talk to me over Discord which I'm still willing to do, but again It was 1am. I was trying to Enjoy the game. Enjoy the Game! ENJOY THE GAME! At 1am closing out my day with some sweet tator extended. Talking about this was the last thing I wanted to do.

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[Roderick Grey]

Now let me stop you right there because something should be sorted out because

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I was told you called for Medical, but the Chaplain showed up instead? The only medical involvement I know of is when Astor who was yelling about how what you were doing wasn't right, and demanded to be let in which he wasn't until I arrived, and Legatus opened up the door for me without me saying a word

 

.Nope, Astor looked at them first, then the chaplain wandered up to Sec, nobody asked for them, if you bothered to get the full story you'd know that instead you didn't.

 

I called Sec out for being incompetent for allowing it to continue, and that was it. The only 'order' I gave was 'Doctor, Scan them', and 'Open this door' when the doctor wanted to get out. That's it. In fact I gave absolutely no orders to anyone, but the borg, and that was only to open the door. I then asked the CMO if they would mind if I took on Acting Captaincy quoting the torture that happened on the brig, and they agreed, Snyder on the other hand was laying it on thick with the profanities in my general direction.

Alright, we disagree. To me you came off as hostile and rude.

 

So now I give Snyder a chance to tell me her story at which point she doesn't not only confirm she tortured the guy she spent the entire time explaining to me Why it was okay for her to do this. Uh.. No It's still not okay, and yes your still in trouble. When asked why I didn't let them explain sooner, and why didn't I just ask, and I quote

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YES! Of course. Why didn't I ask Security if they were performing highly illegal actions HOW SILLY OF ME!

 

I believe they're asking you why didn't you get their side of the story, because again, we didn't deem it torture, the intent was the treat but it was clear that you had, and still have made up your mind on the matter; typically in sec when we hear someone's committed a crime one of the questions we ask them is: "Did you infact do: X?"

 

So then Fenrir tries to explain how I shouldn't let my perceptions about the department color the individual members, and how they are all different with no -. As hes saying this Synder starts yelling how Engineering is always causing trouble for Sec so.. Okay? Got it.

 

Because you brought up the department's incompetence in the past, which made Synder accuse your department of having issues...

 

"Hey Sec won't listen to me at all. Your going to have to tell them"

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I already address my issues with the vagueness of this announcement, I had no idea the Captain wanted you to still be acting captain, I didn't even know two Captain's could be a thing.

 

Hearing the reports of the CE now in the HoS' office I responded, the A.I opening the door, I told him to get out, he ignored me, so I tabled him and pulled him out, the captain arrived on the scene, told us that roadman was now the acting captain to clarify, and went back to sitting in the bridge. Roadman, over sec comms then started to demand Nia's forceful arrest, who at the time was in my custody, outside the HoS' office in the briefing room. I told him if he wanted them arrested he can file a warrant,

 

Uh.. What?

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You said nothing. You walked in, and tabled me, and in any case I didn't have a chance to respond since I was talking to the Captain.

 

Alright, I didn't tell you, but two other officers did, you were busy but you can see how people telling you to get out and you not responding would result in me removing you physically.

 

Though I will admit. Yes at this point Oliver was pissed, and entered the Head of Securities office solely to piss of Security

 

Good job, very professional Head play.

 

since he thought they knew he was still Acting Captain, as captain informed him they shouldn't be a problem.

 

Yes well, your assumption was wrong, nobody informed sec we now had two captains, one that seemed to hate sec as a whole.

 

I also did order Snyder's arrest for tearing up her demotion papers at which point Fenrir asked for a warrant.

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Done! There you go! Now can you please stop-. Oh.

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I guess not since you said this to other officers trying to bring in Snyder with the warrant I just handed you.

 

You conveniently left out significant chunks of me asking for the demotion papers aswell, and you demanding other officers proceed without it, I was saying that to Klaus eliade who wanted to rambo the arrest without all the paperwork.

 

Yes as you were leaving I said arrest her because at the time I had no idea an IAA had arrived I didn't 'yell' it over comms I said it in person of you, Snyder, and two other officers once I realized what was going on I ordered Security to stop, and calm down.

You said it over comms, which caused an officer to attempt to use three different weapons on sec staff before you realized the IA had asked for us over comms. Either way that was your fuck up.

 

In short if you want command respected, you need to be respectful and competent, you can't barge in and issue orders, and then find justification for them later, you can't order Sec officers around as the CE in the brig, you also can't issue arrest warrants on them as a CE. If you wanted your orders to be respected as Acting Captain you shouldn't have tried to get away with trying to take over brig operations as CE while blatantly flouting procedure and respect for the sec staff and the department itself. In my eyes you turned the sec department in on itself to feed some sec hate-boner and the Captain wasn't competent enough to handle you, we co-operated fully with the I.A agent because they were respectful and were actually willing to hear nia's side.

 

I believed I was acting quite calm, and I tried to remain as unbiased as I could despite Snyder yelling profanities at me like a child the entire time. I didn't issue orders, and find justification. I found justification. Realized I had no authority. Got said Authority, and then issued orders. Never tried to order Sec around as CE never tried to take over brig operations, and respect is a two way street. I wanted Snyder demote as she continued to call me a fuckhead the entire time. The CAPTAIN wanted her suspended, and I talked him out of it. Oliver doesn't know 100% Sec procedure, and anything Fenrir asked for in regards to paperwork or procedure Oliver provided as best he could. I saw Security acting improperly as a member of COMMAND who's job it was to oversee the station as a whole I couldn't stand by, and let it continue. It was my job to step in.

 

You were being disrespectful and hostile to sec, you flashed a civilian in the brig and DID try to take over brig operations from the Warden, you showed your clear dislike of sec during Nia's processing, I'm not saying Nia was being professional, but when you're goading people like you deliberately were and then act defensive when they take the bait, I find that whole process pretty moronic. In the future if I see Oliver pulling that shit again i'm just going to pop you in the brig for i214 like I should've done before you went out of control.

I understand that you felt you did the best you could, or the best oliver could, but oliver's best was garbage, you've made this an OOC player complaint, and you insulted my sec play in no real constructive fashion. Having command and all of sec have to put up with your incompetent bullshit that round wasn't fun for us at all, or the people relying on sec to be able to do their job, we gave a vampire holy water, get over it, seriously.

 

No ones perfect, and you did try to contact me in regards to this, but when you did for me it was 1am, and I had quite enough of a headache from this situation already with the admin SNAFU regarding the whole where it should be in the first place. You offered to talk to me over Discord which I'm still willing to do, but again It was 1am. I was trying to Enjoy the game. Enjoy the Game! ENJOY THE GAME! At 1am closing out my day with some sweet tator extended. Talking about this was the last thing I wanted to do.

 

I don't feel like this complaint should've not happened in the first place, I find my self a pretty reasonable guy, and I genuinely want people to enjoy me playing sec but I find it really hard to want to be receptive to players that pull shit like this.

[Brayce]

Nope, Astor looked at them first, then the chaplain wandered up to Sec, nobody asked for them, if you bothered to get the full story you'd know that instead you didn't.

That excerpt was from me asking Snyder for the story. I fail to see how it's my fault they didn't divulge it, or why you think I can act on info I don't have.

 

I believe they're asking you why didn't you get their side of the story, because again, we didn't deem it torture, the intent was the treat but it was clear that you had, and still have made up your mind on the matter; typically in sec when we hear someone's committed a crime one of the questions we ask them is: "Did you infact do: X?"

As I said in my little example. I had no belief that you would tell the truth as you perceived it. YOU didn't think it was torture, and unfortunately others disagreed including myself. Just because you didn't 'deem' it torture doesn't mean others didn't 'deem' it not to be either. Yeah. I did make up my mind on the matter after hearing Snyder explain. I made a different decision than you did, and you didn't like it.

 

I already address my issues with the vagueness of this announcement, I had no idea the Captain wanted you to still be acting captain, I didn't even know two Captain's could be a thing.

I don't really see how Listen to X can be really taken as Vague. It means listen to X. Then I told you what the captain told me. You didn't like what I had to say. So you demanded it be in writing for some odd reason.

 

Good job, very professional Head play.

Damn. How dare I play a character fed up with being insulted at for the last hour. People have patience. His wore thin.

 

You conveniently left out significant chunks of me asking for the demotion papers aswell, and you demanding other officers proceed without it, I was saying that to Klaus eliade who wanted to rambo the arrest without all the paperwork.

I left them out because. I fail to see how the arrest Warrant was rendered invalid by the lack of demotion papers? Do I need to demote before I arrest?

 

You said it over comms, which caused an officer to attempt to use three different weapons on sec staff before you realized the IA had asked for us over comms. Either way that was your fuck up.

Here. Let me check my logs again, and yeah. No I never said arrest her over comms. I called Security to the meeting room, and that was damn well it. You've either muddled up the facts, or are lying outright. Either way. I'm pretty much done with this conversation.

 

You were being disrespectful and hostile to sec, you flashed a civilian in the brig and DID try to take over brig operations from the Warden, you showed your clear dislike of sec during Nia's processing, I'm not saying Nia was being professional, but when you're goading people like you deliberately were and then act defensive when they take the bait, I find that whole process pretty moronic. In the future if I see Oliver pulling that shit again i'm just going to pop you in the brig for i214 like I should've done before you went out of control.

I understand that you felt you did the best you could, or the best oliver could, but oliver's best was garbage, you've made this an OOC player complaint, and you insulted my sec play in no real constructive fashion. Having command and all of sec have to put up with your incompetent bullshit that round wasn't fun for us at all, or the people relying on sec to be able to do their job, we gave a vampire holy water, get over it, seriously.

 

I remained as respectful as I suspect anyone can be when a supposed Security professional is screaming about how I'm an idiot, and torturing the random beast-man is K. Yeah. Okay. I got Acting Captain for the sole purpose of dealing with the misconduct I precieved in the warden, and that was literally it. I don't know where you got the Idea I wanted to take over the Brig, or be HoS if I wanted to do that I'd have made another character. In the future If you see Oliver having to pick up Acting Captaincy with the rest of command's permission you'll brig him for exceeding his authority? Right. Okay nice metagrudging there. Your assuming it was fun for me to have to listen to Snyder's bitching the entire time while Fenrir stood behind her saying everything was Oliver's fault, and he had no idea what was going on, and that Sec knew everything, and did nothing wrong. They were always right. ALWAYS RIGHT. I AM THE LAW. No. That's what was wrong with your security play, and that's the attitude I perceived the entire time, and that's why there's a complaint. I wanted it to be kept IC, but that's not possible because antags so here we are.

You didn't like what I had to say. So you took it to the Captain

You didn't like what the Captain had to say. So you took it to IAA.

Then when the IAA told you you both were suspended. You wanted to wait for CCIA to personally come down, and hear you out. Nothing else mattered. No one was RIGHT until they agreed with you.

I'm done with this conversation until Admins poke it. I don't see you as a reasonable person right now, and I'm not going to continue this bullshit back, and forth between our dissenting opinions for several more posts before an Fourm Mod locks it. I've said my piece, and unless asked to write again. That's it.

[Roderick Grey]

I'm not saying I'm going to metagrudge you, what I'm saying is I'm not going to let you go on a CE tirade, the next time you burst into the brig flashing people I'm just going to brig you because you took a minor incident and blew it WAY out of proportion both IC and OOC.

I feel like I am being fairly reasonable, I'm doing my best to understand your frustration, but it doesn't seem like most of the issues rose from my sec play; this seems to have really started from Oliver and Nia having a shit throwing fight and then me taking their side because I didn't like how you were handling things. As a head you SHOULD know procedure and if you're going to be demoting people over their misconduct you better make sure you're not screwing up yourself. You were which meant I didn't respect your orders when they weren't yours to make, and I didn't when you MADE them yours to make, I also didn't bother with the captain, because he pretty much was a Yes Man that handed Captaincy back to you, and didn't even do a good job of that. I didn't respect any paperwork that had was issued without my say on the incident, because you were extremely bias, you were petty and you weren't capable of managing security anyway!

This wasn't about misconduct, you didn't give a shit about the prisoner, you never checked up on them, asked after them, got their side or anything, this was about you and your sec vendetta.

I've pointed out the problems I had, I've explained how and why I reacted to them, and I've done the best I can to point out how you can avoid me not following your orders in the future but it seems like the problem here is more with your ooc attitude than my IC attitude as Fenrir.

[DatBerry]

i don't see how what urist did to the out of control flashing machine vampire torture, the only time i dealt damage was when my hand slipped and whacked him with the rod on his head Once, i mentioned it was an accident both IC and OOC, saying my hand slipped off, i didnt dare to take the risk of slipping my hand again and breaking their skull so i used holy water, which i dont really see how forcing someone to drink water is torture, maybe its abuse at worst, but at the time security was running out of ideas how to contain the threat and would've just threw em in solitary with a straight jacket, instead we roleplayed a very clumsy exorcism ritual in the communal area and this gave the vampire a chance to try and escape via disposals.

so from an OOC point, sec didnt "allow torture to continue". this is a pretty invalid point, they were even about to jump me for the rod slipping once.

unless something else happened as UM told me over discord that "fenrir repeatedly beat a prisoner cuffed down" the torture isn't actually real. at worst it could be said abuse of prisoners or mistreatment and even then it wasn't by sec's doing

i discussed this a bit with UM on discord but he had to go,

so if someone could shed more light on this, or if brayce could post his full side of the logs, that would be neat.

from my point of view, sec did nothing wrong enough to validate the CE grabbing acting captain and demoting people and starting this whole ruckus. when he didn't even witness it himself.

Edit:

Uh.. What?

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You said nothing. You walked in, and tabled me, and in any case I didn't have a chance to respond since I was talking to the Captain. Though I will admit. Yes at this point Oliver was pissed

 

id just like to point out 3 officers were talking to your IN YOUR OWN SCREENSHOT and you kept on ignoring them and talking to the captain

you typed out 3 messages on the command channel, so you cant use the excuse of "i was in the middle of typing"

[Brayce]

i don't see how what urist did to the out of control flashing machine vampire torture, the only time i dealt damage was when my hand slipped and whacked him with the rod on his head Once, i mentioned it was an accident both IC and OOC, saying my hand slipped off, i didnt dare to take the risk of slipping my hand again and breaking their skull so i used holy water, which i dont really see how forcing someone to drink water is torture, maybe its abuse at worst, but at the time security was running out of ideas how to contain the threat and would've just threw em in solitary with a straight jacket, instead we roleplayed a very clumsy exorcism ritual in the communal area and this gave the vampire a chance to try and escape via disposals.

so from an OOC point, sec didnt "allow torture to continue". this is a pretty invalid point, they were even about to jump me for the rod slipping once.

unless something else happened as UM told me over discord that "fenrir repeatedly beat a prisoner cuffed down" the torture isn't actually real. at worst it could be said abuse of prisoners or mistreatment and even then it wasn't by sec's doing

i discussed this a bit with UM on discord but he had to go,

so if someone could shed more light on this, or if brayce could post his full side of the logs, that would be neat.

from my point of view, sec did nothing wrong enough to validate the CE grabbing acting captain and demoting people and starting this whole ruckus. when he didn't even witness it himself.

 

ROUND TWO: FIGHT! @DatBerry

Nope. I never saw the vampire flashing everyone, or actively being mistreated in anyway. The borg voiced his concerns, and I answered when I arrived I saw enough to determine that he was telling the truth. Or can you think of another conclusion I should have come to when I walk in to see the Warden with her baton out, The Chaplain next to displaced tank of water, and a Doctor demanding to get in because 'What they were doing isn't right.' Some of it does come down to character quirks. Oliver as a character has absolutely no use in religions, or by extension chaplains. He has poor views of religion, and places no trust in the profession at all. Add into the fact your character seemed like a nut talking about visions, and level something odd demons inside people, so he saw the 'cure' people kept trying to explain to him as what they were doing as nothing more than an a crazy excuse to cause harm to this prisoner for being stupid in his own right.

Try drinking an entire bottle of mouthwash. My gut reaction is to not do that, and I gag when I even accidently drink a little. Now imagine if someone forced you to drink the entire bottle, of that liquid, or any liquid you don't want to drink. It's fucking distressing. That's NOT just abuse my baton slipped, or using the baton instead of a flash being rough, or rude. That's abuse. Tying someone down to a chair, and forcing them to drink something from my perspective is NOT just abuse, and I jumped to torture as the word I could think of to best describe it. Her doing that was not in the warden's job description. I might have been a bit too harsh with that label, but even you said 'at worst it could be abuse of prisoners, or mistreatment' Which is exactly what I charged her with. Under that you spend X amount of minutes in the brig, and, or demotion to cadet which is all I was trying to do, and spent the near entirety of my round trying to enforce.I probably should've slapped the Chaplain on the wrist for it too, but Snyder was yelling so loudly about it all my focus was on getting her situation sorted before anything else. That's why I picked up the spare. I saw a warden misconducting themselves, and as a member of command entrusted with operations of the station I stepped in.

When at the end of the shift CCIA asks why Security executed three prisoners, Medical spread a super virus, Cargo spent all their points on hats, and ask why command knew about this, and did nothing.

"Not my department, Not my problem" Isn't going to hold up.

If there was a Head of Security: Not my problem

When there was a Captain I hoped it was: Not my problem

If there was even a Head of Personnel: Not my problem.

There wasn't. There was a CMO, and a CE.

[Roderick Grey]

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What... where did THAT come from?

[UnknownMurder]

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What... where did THAT come from?

 

Maybe if you read my messages and DatBerry's image instead of skimming. You'll probably know. The answer is in there.

[Roderick Grey]

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What... where did THAT come from?

 

Maybe if you read my messages and DatBerry's image instead of skimming. You'll probably know. The answer is in there.

 

The A.I told you I was repeatedly beating a prisoner on the floor? Yeah, that never happened, and telling mods that it DID happen is in pretty poor form; you heard it happened, that's it. Real shame you never bothered to gather both sides.

I've spoken to prillup, the vamp, about this as none of you bothered to contact the actual victim, they should be telling their side shortly.

[Prillup]

Oh me oh my!~ All this infighting of players because of little ol' me?

Honestly my friends, as the person who was being tortured, Kanda Ratree, its just gameplay. I found it good RP to be perfectly honest. ITs a game folks, I was fine with it, so should you be.~

Also for the record. They never punched/kicked me on the ground when I was down. I took damage from the null rod, and from me jumping down disposals for dramatic effect.

That's the facts, from the mouth of the victim herself!

[Roderick Grey]

Thank you all for your prudish pot stirring and pages of semantic garbage, was a lot of fun.

[MrGabol100]

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What... where did THAT come from?

 

Maybe if you read my messages and DatBerry's image instead of skimming. You'll probably know. The answer is in there.

 

UM since when are you anyone to talk about abusing prisoners after the EVA fiasco.

[DatBerry]

i don't see how what urist did to the out of control flashing machine vampire torture, the only time i dealt damage was when my hand slipped and whacked him with the rod on his head Once, i mentioned it was an accident both IC and OOC, saying my hand slipped off, i didnt dare to take the risk of slipping my hand again and breaking their skull so i used holy water, which i dont really see how forcing someone to drink water is torture, maybe its abuse at worst, but at the time security was running out of ideas how to contain the threat and would've just threw em in solitary with a straight jacket, instead we roleplayed a very clumsy exorcism ritual in the communal area and this gave the vampire a chance to try and escape via disposals.

so from an OOC point, sec didnt "allow torture to continue". this is a pretty invalid point, they were even about to jump me for the rod slipping once.

unless something else happened as UM told me over discord that "fenrir repeatedly beat a prisoner cuffed down" the torture isn't actually real. at worst it could be said abuse of prisoners or mistreatment and even then it wasn't by sec's doing

i discussed this a bit with UM on discord but he had to go,

so if someone could shed more light on this, or if brayce could post his full side of the logs, that would be neat.

from my point of view, sec did nothing wrong enough to validate the CE grabbing acting captain and demoting people and starting this whole ruckus. when he didn't even witness it himself.

 

ROUND TWO: FIGHT! @DatBerry

Nope. I never saw the vampire flashing everyone, or actively being mistreated in anyway. The borg voiced his concerns, and I answered when I arrived I saw enough to determine that he was telling the truth. Or can you think of another conclusion I should have come to when I walk in to see the Warden with her baton out, The Chaplain next to displaced tank of water, and a Doctor demanding to get in because 'What they were doing isn't right.' Some of it does come down to character quirks. Oliver as a character has absolutely no use in religions, or by extension chaplains. He has poor views of religion, and places no trust in the profession at all. Add into the fact your character seemed like a nut talking about visions, and level something odd demons inside people, so he saw the 'cure' people kept trying to explain to him as what they were doing as nothing more than an a crazy excuse to cause harm to this prisoner for being stupid in his own right.

Try drinking an entire bottle of mouthwash. My gut reaction is to not do that, and I gag when I even accidently drink a little. Now imagine if someone forced you to drink the entire bottle, of that liquid, or any liquid you don't want to drink. It's fucking distressing. That's NOT just abuse my baton slipped, or using the baton instead of a flash being rough, or rude. That's abuse. Tying someone down to a chair, and forcing them to drink something from my perspective is NOT just abuse, and I jumped to torture as the word I could think of to best describe it. Her doing that was not in the warden's job description. I might have been a bit too harsh with that label, but even you said 'at worst it could be abuse of prisoners, or mistreatment' Which is exactly what I charged her with. Under that you spend X amount of minutes in the brig, and, or demotion to cadet which is all I was trying to do, and spent the near entirety of my round trying to enforce.I probably should've slapped the Chaplain on the wrist for it too, but Snyder was yelling so loudly about it all my focus was on getting her situation sorted before anything else. That's why I picked up the spare. I saw a warden misconducting themselves, and as a member of command entrusted with operations of the station I stepped in.

When at the end of the shift CCIA asks why Security executed three prisoners, Medical spread a super virus, Cargo spent all their points on hats, and ask why command knew about this, and did nothing.

"Not my department, Not my problem" Isn't going to hold up.

If there was a Head of Security: Not my problem

When there was a Captain I hoped it was: Not my problem

If there was even a Head of Personnel: Not my problem.

There wasn't. There was a CMO, and a CE.

 

 

Nope. I never saw the vampire flashing everyone, or actively being mistreated in anyway. The borg voiced his concerns, and I answered when I arrived I saw enough to determine that he was telling the truth. Or can you think of another conclusion I should have come to when I walk in to see the Warden with her baton out, The Chaplain next to displaced tank of water, and a Doctor demanding to get in because 'What they were doing isn't right

 

you only came in half way through and didnt actually see it from the start, the incident warrants faxing CC, not taking up acting captain as the mistreatment wasn't even ganna continue after forcing what is basically water tapped by a bible down your throat, as i ran out of ideas and wanted them to lie and pretend they were normal again, but no one listened to me because the vampire managed to unbuckle, the doctor got in the way between the warden and the prisoner whining about mistreatment, the warden couldnt stun the lunatic prisoner in time and they jumped down disposals, then you came into the communal area.

i wish the slip chance from waving your rod over someone's head is removed, i can't see how you can realistically slip and smack someone with full force when you just tried to wave it slowly infront of someone.

 

When at the end of the shift CCIA asks why Security executed three prisoners, Medical spread a super virus, Cargo spent all their points on hats, and ask why command knew about this, and did nothing.

just use the fax machine in your office, asking about weird AIs and visitors isnt the only use for the thing, if you send a report it really is not your problem anymore.

 

.I probably should've slapped the Chaplain on the wrist for it too

this wouldn't have been possible, because urist died a martyr fighting the slimes sec was too busy to deal with, couldn't coup up with the leveling up slime demons.

[UnknownMurder]

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What... where did THAT come from?

 

Maybe if you read my messages and DatBerry's image instead of skimming. You'll probably know. The answer is in there.

 

UM since when are you anyone to talk about abusing prisoners after the EVA fiasco.

 

Different situation. I asked Admin's permission and they gave a go-ahead sign to dislocate knees due to your uncooperative behavior. That being said, don't bring other issues into this issue.

This is about Roderick and Abens.

[Chaznoodles]

Different situation. I asked Admin's permission and they gave a go-ahead sign to dislocate knees due to your uncooperative behavior. That being said, don't bring other issues into this issue.

This is about Roderick and Abens.

 

Gonna stop you right there, that's a blatant lie, staff had no idea what you were doing at the time until I adminhelped the situation at hand. I was the one whose leg you dislocated, and whose head you stamped on, after I tried resisting out of being bucklecuffed to a chair in EVA when you intended to HuT me for telling someone to fuck off via radio.

Situation is related, as it's on the same line of discussion.

Square up fam

[Roderick Grey]

This is about Roderick and Abens.

 

No, this is a complaint from brayce about how he didn't like players ignoring incompetent and bias heads, which you were one of. Just because your name isn't in the title doesn't mean you're not under scrutiny, if you feel differently I don't mind making another thread for people to discuss their grievances about you.

[Abendroth]

So I literally found out about this a few minutes ago, and had to read through all three pages just to be sure I didn't miss anything. I'll keep my side of it short and sweet, since I don't have too much more to add. I'll just make a small list, actually.

Why did I have my baton out?: So I could stun the vampire if he escaped his cuffs, and I only did this after he took on more beast-like features. A precaution, nothing more.

Why was I aggressive/rude towards the CE?: At first I tried not to be, and simply ordered him to leave the area since it was not safe due to vampire shenanigans. He then distracted me, which let the Doctor get into the room, and allowed the prisoner to escape. I had also been dealing with the doctor shouting at me the entire time during the ritual, so naturally Nia was a wee bit pissed.

Why did I rip up the papers?: Security was never given a chance to say their side to the captain when I got the first set of papers, so I considered them to be made on bias opinions and few facts of the situation.

Was the torture/treatment a bad idea?: Most certainly, but it was better than just straight jacketing the poor guy and throwing him into a cell. It made for some good RP and gave the Chaplain something fun to do.

Was Nia unprofessional?: Towards the CE? Most certainly, I was angry at the time due to the CE basically ruining everything and letting a very dangerous prisoner escape. Then he tried to throw his weight around and get me demoted/fired. Other than that? I didn't fight anyone, I didn't resist, I complied with the only Officer at the time who was still acting reasonable.

Other than that? Eh, forgive and forget, no need for a player complaint. It's a game, have fun. I could have just killed the CE and dumped his body out of an airlock and nobody would have noticed except maybe the AI! Then that'd maybe be worth a complaint or two. But jokes aside, it's in the past, lets move on and keep playing this game because it's fun.

Also this is why I never play Heads except the occasional Acting HoS. Too much responsibility, I would suck at it.