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BYOND Key: Dugbug778

Game ID: bNt-c2oD

Player Byond Key: Coolbc2000

Staff involved: Sleepy Wolf

Reason for complaint: Essentially, I had been taken prisoner by the mercenaries which were on this round, after being saved by them and undergoing surgery. So I was RP'ing as usual with them on the Skipjack and one of them had given me my security headset back, and told me to assure the crew and security I was alright. I'd forgotten about doing it until the medical bot in the room reminded me to do it, at which point I did. The player, Coolbc2000, who was playing the Vox on the team walked into the room said into his radio, "Shra'Lax says, "They kill him now." " and took my head off without so much as a thought or RP.

I used to play with this guy back on BestRP, and some of the off-shoots and he was always getting into shit with the admins because he was always playing an edgy security officer and constantly breaking the server rules. He had nearly been banned on several occassions if I recall right as well. My experiences with this guy in the past and this incident has shown me he is the exact same guy as he was back then.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Yeah, it all happened fast so I PM'd the admins after I was dead

Approximate Date/Time: 13/02/2017 - around 9:55

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I assume that was March, not February, so today. You might want to fix that because it's triggering an OCD episode.


So, yes. I was an Officer that round, Soma Karthesian. I had a pretty long EVA duel with him and pretty much got destroyed as expected because these fucking things are nearly impossible to hit. I ended up nailed to the wall by the spike thrower, and proceeded to use my last strength to try and fight him off with the mighty baton. Of course, I lost and died. This is not where it ended, however. He proceeded to lob my head off and then, albeit I did not see it myself, as reported by others, proceeded to throw the head into space.


I have no further statements on this matter other than that the rules were not sufficiently clear to me so I initiated an adminPM receiving an unsatisfactory response and that Coolbc may have gotten a bit too carried away.


To your other point, I do not see relevance in this. Coolbc has been on this server for a while and seems to actually be improving. I have had several shifts in Sec with him and he has definitely cut back on previously problematic behaviors.

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Alright, calm my self down... Alright.. .So this is my first Complaint on me after two years on this server, and I'm very exited about it, so lets take this step by step.


First, I'd like to address this lie, it's a pretty shitty lie, and to be honest, I'm not sure why it is here...

I used to play with this guy back on BestRP, and some of the off-shoots and he was always getting into shit with the admins because he was always playing an edgy security officer and constantly breaking the server rules. He had nearly been banned on several occassions if I recall right as well. My experiences with this guy in the past and this incident has shown me he is the exact same guy as he was back then.

 

I don't know you... I did not know what BestRP is untill I asked someone what or who it was. I'm a old Goon player, while the time I used to play back in 2011 would line up with the time surrounding BestRP, I've never, ever been on another RP server that's not Aurora. So, now that's sorted with, along to the meat of this Complaint.

 

Essentially, I had been taken prisoner by the mercenaries which were on this round, after being saved by them and undergoing surgery. So I was RP'ing as usual with them on the Skipjack and one of them had given me my security headset back, and told me to assure the crew and security I was alright.

 

Ah, so this was you then... Alright. Yes, you were captured by us and underwent Surgery, you were given a radio to talk to Security about how you were. Sadly, you started saying where you were on the Ship and alot more Information about the Ship. So me and Alb decided it was time to end your life, and I gave you a fair warning saying not to talk into the Radio anymore. You can check the logs for that one.


And I'm also going to point out Bokaza's complaint on that round. Yes I won in the duel, and yes I did take your head. Sadly there was a reason for it. We made up a bounty on your head, sadly, in the end you died and I was unable to transport your Body on the Spacebike. So after carefully deciding if I should take your head, in the end I did. The head was still on the Ship in the Bridge, I had a spear made and everything, then ERT happend.


Alright guys, I hope I answered all your Questions. Sorry you had to make this Complaint, I'm always trying to stay out of trouble, even if it does not always work. :D

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I was one of the heisters at the time, and I asked for the medical cyborg to keep the officer alive and do the surgery to save his life after he walked inside the ship and was ambushed. While I tried to organize and get in contact with the station's command to try to negotiate about the hostage, the ert was already on the way and I decided we could fight them using our ship at our advantage. And I gave the hostage the headset so he could get in contact with the hos to tell he was alive and prove the station we had a hostage.


However, I did not recall allowing the hostage to be killed, which seems to be coolbc response to the ert attacking us. I was also suprised by the hostage execution, as well the medical borg I emmaged to serve me. I did not have time to question or confront him there because we all had to fight the troopers and the round went down for us from there.

Posted

So, you made up a bounty on my head and decided to get it? I'm not sure that's how bounties work generally, but I could be mistaken. Can an admin please weigh in on this?

Posted
However, I did not recall allowing the hostage to be killed, which seems to be coolbc response to the ert attacking us. I was also suprised by the hostage execution, as well the medical borg I emmaged to serve me. I did not have time to question or confront him there because we all had to fight the troopers and the round went down for us from there.

 

I ended up having a log of this round saved so I was able to grab the part where you tell the vox to kill because he's "better off dead"

 

() says, Abdur-Rashid Amir Al-Shadfollow""Kill that one.

() says, Abdur-Rashid Amir Al-Shadfollow""Will be betterrrr dead.

() says, Shra'Laxfollow""They kill him now.

There wasn't much RP involved, but the move to have the guy killed was instigated by Abdur, Shra'Laxfollow was just following him.

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However, I did not recall allowing the hostage to be killed, which seems to be coolbc response to the ert attacking us. I was also suprised by the hostage execution, as well the medical borg I emmaged to serve me. I did not have time to question or confront him there because we all had to fight the troopers and the round went down for us from there.

 

I ended up having a log of this round saved so I was able to grab the part where you tell the vox to kill because he's "better off dead"

 

() says, Abdur-Rashid Amir Al-Shadfollow""Kill that one.

() says, Abdur-Rashid Amir Al-Shadfollow""Will be betterrrr dead.

() says, Shra'Laxfollow""They kill him now.

There wasn't much RP involved, but the move to have the guy killed was instigated by Abdur, Shra'Laxfollow was just following him.

 

Funnily enough, I was talking about one of the captured heisters, which was captured by the ert at the time. Since the troopers were talking to us via the headset.

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Funnily enough, I was talking about one of the captured heisters, which was captured by the ert at the time. Since the troopers were talking to us via the headset.

Ah. Pretty unfortunate misunderstanding, then. Just from an observer's standpoint this was a pretty hectic round, this just looks like added confusion by all involved. I was around for this part but don't know anything about Soma's death so I'll be out of this.

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I used to play with this guy back on BestRP, and some of the off-shoots and he was always getting into shit with the admins because he was always playing an edgy security officer and constantly breaking the server rules. He had nearly been banned on several occassions if I recall right as well. My experiences with this guy in the past and this incident has shown me he is the exact same guy as he was back then.

 

While I'm curious regarding this part of the testimony, it doesn't belong in a complaint as the staff do not like to make examples of rulebreakers that just so happened to have prior history on another server that could potentially shine relevant light on current player behavior. Logically we would take it into account, but as a basis I've never seen staff ban other people solely for their behavior on another server in the past. Coming here from another should be a chance to start fresh without fearing being prematurely removed because of something you did not even relevant to the server you're joining.


I will have to confirm with an old friend of mine that staffed for BestRP whether this is true or not, but I have a feeling this is still a bit of a wilder accusation. Whatever answer I get will only really be for the purpose of curiosity and will not judge the actual outcome of the complaint compared to more relevant parts of the complaint relating to on-server behavior. But proof would be nice to see to back up those words.


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In relation to the heisters this round, I have no idea if they ever had a specific purpose or objective to be seeking beyond murdering the odd person here or there. Extreme measures of violence were undertaken by each of the participating antagonists for no perceivable reason beyond having license as an antagonist to stir trouble and instigate combat.


Things sometimes don't go according to plan in relation to team antagonist round types but the participating heisters did not seem to have a coherent plan to begin with and each of them chose to go and do their own thing, usually in the case of coolbc riding around on a space bike looking for EVA security officers to fight, kill and decapitate. For instance, I did observe Soma's death and coolbc going out of his way to seek out a fight and decapitate a victim to have their head thrown out in space.


The round went so well for the heisters that one of them executed one of their own team mates because they were in the way.


Whether this is conducive to a heavy roleplay environment or not didn't appear to bother Garnascus who I pinged for advice relating to how to even handle such a situation. So I really couldn't step in.


But I suppose it's not really a problem if one of the head administrators thought it was valid, despite previous precedents being set in the past that this kind of thing is massively frowned upon and often punished because of how questionably lackluster it is to be acting like this as an antagonist. If this is what a headmin wants for the server, I'm not really in a position to oppose it.

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I don't know you... I did not know what BestRP is untill I asked someone what or who it was. I'm a old Goon player, while the time I used to play back in 2011 would line up with the time surrounding BestRP, I've never, ever been on another RP server that's not Aurora. So, now that's sorted with, along to the meat of this Complaint. /quote]


As I mentioned, it was either BestRP or the off-shoots. A year, maybe 2 ago I encountered you on a server, which, looking at my old logs and screenshots of it, was indeed Aurora. Back then your behaviour was rather terrible, hence why I was rather quick to judge based one what I already knew of you. However, that isn't the matter at hand.

 

Ah, so this was you then... Alright. Yes, you were captured by us and underwent Surgery, you were given a radio to talk to Security about how you were. Sadly, you started saying where you were on the Ship and alot more Information about the Ship. So me and Alb decided it was time to end your life, and I gave you a fair warning saying not to talk into the Radio anymore. You can check the logs for that one.

 

Now to address this, right. I was indeed captured and I was given the radio to assure security, that is true. I told the security staff that I didn't know where I was but based on my surrounding I judged that I was in the medical bay, and considering I was surrounded by mercenaries, I could assume it was the ship. I was told to inform security of this by Alb's character, and the medical droid that he had emagged. You did give me a warning the first time I had spoken into the radio, however, after a while I was told by the droid again to speak to the crew, so I did. Alb's char wanted me to re-assure the crew I was alright, and they asked questions of how I was, and I told them I was fine. Around about this point however, you came into the medical bay, said the line mentioned in the original post and removed my head without anything else. I assumed that this whole hostage situation would be RP'd out properly and wouldn't come down to a complete robustfest, as by this stage ERT hadn't been called/hadn't arrived. I couldn't have done anything as I was still too injured and was missing a leg, and due to the rapidness and rashness of you decapitating me, the crew never had a chance to roleplay any demands. That is what I take issue with.

Posted

Now to address this, right. I was indeed captured and I was given the radio to assure security, that is true. I told the security staff that I didn't know where I was but based on my surrounding I judged that I was in the medical bay, and considering I was surrounded by mercenaries, I could assume it was the ship. I was told to inform security of this by Alb's character, and the medical droid that he had emagged. You did give me a warning the first time I had spoken into the radio, however, after a while I was told by the droid again to speak to the crew, so I did. Alb's char wanted me to re-assure the crew I was alright, and they asked questions of how I was, and I told them I was fine. Around about this point however, you came into the medical bay, said the line mentioned in the original post and removed my head without anything else. I assumed that this whole hostage situation would be RP'd out properly and wouldn't come down to a complete robustfest, as by this stage ERT hadn't been called/hadn't arrived. I couldn't have done anything as I was still too injured and was missing a leg, and due to the rapidness and rashness of you decapitating me, the crew never had a chance to roleplay any demands. That is what I take issue with.

 

With this you expect me to know everything? I just had a EVA battle with the ERT and came backing inside to you hearing stating your location on the Ship, then I hear something that Alb said "Kill that one." which I took for the Hostage because well, you know, who else was there to kill that was not the ERT? The emagged droid told you to talk some more, how in the world would I know that? And the hostage thing was never ever going to play out. The Command staff had no intention of ever trading with us, and when the ERT found our Ship, it was game over for you man.

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You executed a hostage not because you were told to, as the person you were speaking to was talking about one of the other heisters in that context.


You executed the hostage because you could.


You have played security before. Enough to the point where an antag killing a hostage is license for security to go in guns blazing, because you just throw away leverage for absolutely no good reason and tell the enemy you don't care about the lives of the people you run across. It is the mark of a bad criminal to let resources within reach just to go to waste, and the mark of a bad antagonist to just murder anyone you please as was displayed that round. It's just stupid. What purpose did the murder even serve? It just opened up ERT to murder you without any reservations.


I needn't remind you that you bragged about having "killed 4 people" in deadchat. Half of those being people that did not even stand up well in a fair fight.

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I'm thinking you're missing the point here Delta. I did just say I thought I was ordered to kill him Munks pointed that out. The Crew did not care at all about the Hostage, every time I brought it up, I was either ignored or told to fuck off. While I was talking to Command about a hostage exchange, they called the ERT. And at the point of Execution the ERT just found the Jackdaw.


So all-in-all a very hectic.


And yes, I did brag. Shooting spikes while going mach 100,000,000 then killing them with a Chainsaw is quite hard.

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Right, forums went down when I wanted to post and then I got distracted by RL things. Anyway, as it turns out, coolbc's action happened because of an IC miscommunication. Those things happen, and it was legit. Coolbc did admit his action was a bit rushed and could have used more roleplay, but with ERT on the way he didn't feel he could do much in the short run. Dugbug has called it a nonissue after I explained it to him and so I will rule it as a nonissue.

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