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Okay, I know that Skull will hate me for this, but I have a character that is human but has been incredibly influenced by Tajara in her early life. I would say it would be a long shot for her to learn to speak Siik Mass for without control of her ears and with no tail, it would just be ridiculous. I would, however, like if she would be able to understand it. Skull implied that I would be opening a new can of worms, but I am willing to put myself out there that there is a reliable RP reason. I am happy for people to say it's a dumb idea but I'd really like well argued reasons.

Thanks guys.

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"It is capable of being spoken by a learned human, as it is not as reliant on body language as Siik'tajr or the other native languages on Adhomai."

Personally, I think this should be a whitelisted thing. Perhaps tied to the alien whitelists in some way? Or, perhaps something like applying for a custom item.

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It is capable of being spoken by a learned human, as it is not as reliant on body language as Siik'tajr or the other native languages on Adhomai. However, just as Tau Ceti basic is difficult for Tajaran to master given their muzzle structure, Siik'maas is the same to humans, since they lack the proper biology to perform certain inflections properly. Despite it focusing more on spoken word than others, some of the vocabulary requires subtle body movements that are challenging for humans to grasp, no less perform. Even if one were to learn these movements, they tend to be sluggish and slower, giving the speech a sort of 'drunken' feeling. Tajaran speaking this over the radio often find themselves in similar positions.

 

As it says. It would be EXTREMELY overwhelming and difficult for a human to manage to pull this off, and even then, they sound drunk or lesser in development.

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Baystation had a feature where if you were whitelisted for a species you were also whitelisted for their language, except Skrell because no one but Skrell can speak it.


I don't know why that feature isn't here. Humans can learn Siik'maas but they won't be able to articulate as well as a Tajaran would.

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Baystation had a feature where if you were whitelisted for a species you were also whitelisted for their language, except Skrell because no one but Skrell can speak it.


I don't know why that feature isn't here. Humans can learn Siik'maas but they won't be able to articulate as well as a Tajaran would.

 

We talked briefly about it in OOC chat on the server and Skull was very adamantly against it, for reasons he didn't really explain in a lot of detail. But I think it makes sense to understand it, after all, Nanotrasen has to have had translators at some point, and a lot of people form close relationships with Tajara.


It was something I'd considered seeking out with Nehma. I implied in RP that he speaks and understands Siik Maas previously, but in game mechanics it's not possible presently.

 

As it says. It would be EXTREMELY overwhelming and difficult for a human to manage to pull this off, and even then, they sound drunk or lesser in development.

 

Well as far as speaking it goes. AS to understanding it, it's not as formidable.

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You'd have to go to Skull, or a developer. But I'd have to guess this wouldn't be a priority.


I'd wait a bit then bring it up casually.

 

This, but make sure you bring it up on the suggestions board. Bringing up in an ahelp to Sound_Scopes or Skull132 on the server what should be implemented, will more than likely end in being linked to the suggestions board because ahelps are not for suggesting mechanics to them.

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As far as I ever cared, but this was apparently changed, you weren't suppose to be able to grasp it, since Tajara most likely speak with sounds that exist in a different spectrum of sound, due to their better hearing and blah blah someone will contest this anyway blah blah.


Besides that, it feels like one of those things where characters will have it just to have it, because why WOULDN'T you toggle it if you have the whitelist, even if you don't have an IC reason, because you could just pretend you don't understand, and all that. Honestly, I'd rather see Tajara get re-works to their mechanics firstly, then bugger about giving people the ability to speak mrowl.

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Besides that, it feels like one of those things where characters will have it just to have it, because why WOULDN'T you toggle it if you have the whitelist, even if you don't have an IC reason, because you could just pretend you don't understand, and all that. Honestly, I'd rather see Tajara get re-works to their mechanics firstly, then bugger about giving people the ability to speak mrowl.

 

The point of a whitelist is to weed out the players that are genuinely serious RPers from the ones that are just chucklefucks. If someone is going to toggle it when RP does not require it, then they shouldn't be on the whitelist.

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I for one support the "Whitelist" system that was discussed here. That way, you would have less people who speak cat just to make their characters seems special or because they like cats or simply because they're a furry, but have people who have actual IC reasons behind knowing the language.


For instance, at one point the ability to understand, but not speak Siik'maas was an important part of Andy's RP, however in the transition to an IPC he somehow lost it. Andy spends a lot of time around many different Tajarans, and a few of them are among his closest friends. Considering he is a supercomputer on legs, it seems appropriate (And I dare say logical) that he would at least be able to understand the species that he spends so much time around.

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I'm.....on the fence here. I used to have a human character that could speak Siik'Maas via my whitelist app. But when gutter was implemented, that served a better purpose.


My understanding is that Siik'Maas had sounds beyond the hearing range, and it incorporated body language of the ears and tail. It was much too complex to learn quickly. If a human was adopted into a Tajara clan, thennnnnn..........maybe. If an IPC had downloaded knowledge, then sure. Arguably, I'd like my own IPC, who was programmed by a Tajaran, to understand Siik'Maas as well.


However.


As Karima puts it, "language connects." Language is a part of culture. The Tajara have a very tight-knit community of kin, strengthened by Siik'Maas. Karima is not insulted or annoyed when others speak a different tongue - if anything, she is curious. She sees it as a way for people to connect with their own 'kin'. She would feel quite exposed if a non-Tajara could understand Siik'Maas.

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To all the people suggesting Siik'maas is outside a human's range of hearing:

http://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tajara#Language_.26_Naming

It is capable of being spoken by a learned human, as it is not as reliant on body language as Siik'tajr or the other native languages on Adhomai. However, just as Tau Ceti basic is difficult for Tajaran to master given their muzzle structure, Siik'maas is the same to humans, since they lack the proper biology to perform certain inflections properly. Despite it focusing more on spoken word than others, some of the vocabulary requires subtle body movements that are challenging for humans to grasp, no less perform. Even if one were to learn these movements, they tend to be sluggish and slower, giving the speech a sort of 'drunken' feeling. Tajaran speaking this over the radio often find themselves in similar positions.

So, humans can learn Siik'maas just fine, though they would not be able to speak it fully.

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To all the people suggesting Siik'maas is outside a human's range of hearing:

http://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tajara#Language_.26_Naming

It is capable of being spoken by a learned human, as it is not as reliant on body language as Siik'tajr or the other native languages on Adhomai. However, just as Tau Ceti basic is difficult for Tajaran to master given their muzzle structure, Siik'maas is the same to humans, since they lack the proper biology to perform certain inflections properly. Despite it focusing more on spoken word than others, some of the vocabulary requires subtle body movements that are challenging for humans to grasp, no less perform. Even if one were to learn these movements, they tend to be sluggish and slower, giving the speech a sort of 'drunken' feeling. Tajaran speaking this over the radio often find themselves in similar positions.

So, humans can learn Siik'maas just fine, though they would not be able to speak it fully.

this was all I could think of.
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