Character Complaint - CUBIE

[DatBerry]

BYOND Key: DatBerry

Game ID: bOE-dGz0

Player Byond Key: Hunnewle

Staff involved: none

Reason for complaint: Bad station bound roleplay. at first i wasn't going to make a complaint but it turned out i wasn't the only one bothered by CUBIE's way of acting.

the incident that had me posting here happened in the bar. I walk in to see Killor the ligger (played by paradoxspace) and CUBIE in the bar, killor has a barrel of ligger juice drink and he's asking for some drinking glasses from the borg, CUBIE. CUBIE refuses claiming it's a hazard, both me and the ligger argue with it, i tell it if they were so worried about hazards, the windows could break in and bring in carp, in which they pull the bar's firelock. thats when this happened

 

all this is fine OOCly, although with this thought process they would lock down the bar even when a bartender is around, but the issue starts now.

after finishing my time in the brig, i find kiilor, who tells me CUBIE has pulled out its surgical saw and whirred it a bit in front of him to threaten them(which they later did not deny)

a cargo tech brings kiilor some drinking glasses, and the borg comes back again questioning us how we got the glasses, i tell CUBIE to eat shit, in which they tell the CMO i am acting like a hooligan and request permission to flash me, mind you if an officer flashed someone because they called them a name they'd be questioned, let alone a station bound property. after i am flashed, kiilor tries to throw them down disposals, in which they flash them and inject them with enough soporofic to put them out till the whole ordeal was dealt with by security.

CUBIE seems to treat non-command crew as his equals if not below him, his mindset is just simply not fit for a servant robot and would fit more as an IPC, a bad IPC but atleast he wont be bad OOCly too. I don't know what kind of borg would threaten crewmembers and spin the narrative to get permission to flash them because their feelings were hurt.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? in this instance i didn't, thinking the round was malf, only for cubie to cryo and the gamemode turns out to be ninja or something.

Approximate Date/Time: last thursday

Edited May 30, 2017 by Guest

[DatBerry]

another incident just happened last round, ID: bOL-ajJC

It was malf but nearing the end of the round, CUBIE was unsubverted somehow

 

and thus should've been acting nominally.

we were all waiting in departures for a transfer, the QM* was riding on his tug, with the trolleys disconnected, thus only taking the space of the tile he would be on, and he was 2 tiles away from the shuttle airlock to be blocking it, CUBIE had no one (as far as i know or them having stated it) order him to get the QM off the tug, I as an assistant order them to leave the QM alone, since he did nothing, they reply with

 

?????????

what does this mean if no other crewmember has given an order? is my rank too low to order you at all? they then proceeded to baton the QM off the tug forcefully.

honestly this is exceeding shitborg tiers of play and is entering new levels that shouldn't even be possible.

*EDIT: fixed the cargo tug riding on their own back

Edited June 1, 2017 by Guest

[Scheveningen]

I'll be taking the reins of this complaint. I'll be asking administrators for the relevant logs for context. Expect a decision in a couple days.

[Bygonehero]

I was the AI for the first instance. I found a lot of what CUBIE said to be very disturbing considering they are a lawed synthetic slaved to me. It's not the first time they have been over emotional for particular circumstances. In this particular round I informed CUBIE to take measures to avoid that kind of severe damage again, and to run if in conflict. I also told them to ask the chief medical officer for permissions IF ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to defend themselves. None of this was a problem, the problem stemmed from CUBIE seeking conflict, actually returning right back to the bar after they were repaired.

[Scheveningen]

Firstly, I will admit a mistake, the game ID that was edited into the main OP was not the game in which Hunnewle was playing as CUBIE. I assumed that from the testimony of the OP that was the right game, but Hunnewle was on playing a different character at the time. As such, it is regrettable, but the main OP game will not be directly addressed for context. Someone else will need to cite that round's gameID for us to review that one directly as well.

However, as for the second gameID, I've scoured enough of the logs for the second portion of the malfunction round to get an idea on what exactly has gone amiss. This should be enough for a review basis.

The general gist of it was that the main malf AI was doing malf things, and as such CUBIE was doing malf borg things as a result. This led to the murder of the captain, which is all well and good, par for the course during such a game mode.

Interestingly enough, however, CUBIE recalls this in their second chance at synthetic unlife rather perfectly, and with a staggering amount of emotional reaction to their revelation to it as an android:

 

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) Done. Starting up main systems.

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Noise) e screams in hysterical sadness mixed with fear.

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) AAAAAAAH!

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) WHAT DID I DO?!

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) THE CAPTAIN!

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) MY CAPTAIN!

 

Curious, at most. This is recalled with rather specific detail in other lines.

 

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) I KNOW!

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) I CRUSHED HIS RIBCAGE IN!

 

And a tad more.

 

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) Please note, the AI was last recorded with six laws.

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) The four basic laws, one Ion law to make us lie--

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) Erm- There was also a zeroth law.

 

CUBIE was very remorseful from this chain of events, when they were reassembled.

 

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : I have only four laws now, Roy. I swear- I am still scarred from what I did...

 

It should be noted that they were quick to also recall other details of their previous AI's malicious intent, going back to prior to their reassembly.

 

Hunnewle/(OSI-432) : (Unknown) Erm- There was also a zeroth law.

 

Revisiting the captain's death in detail:

 

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : Echo, I crushed the captain's ribcage in."

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : After the AI and I planned on using the upload turrets to kill him- Oh maker...

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : (Robot Talk) Previous AI was subverted, I was slaved to it.

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : (Robot Talk) It tried to take over the station, I helped kill the captain.

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : (Robot Talk) ...and took pot shots at the CE and others.

 

Now let's get onto the cargo tug problem.

 

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : Rudolph Hardin, remove the cargo tug from the lounge

 

Other evidence is shown in the logs Datberry supplied. But if I might also note, there was only three mentions of the cargo tug, and none of them had any prior indication CUBIE had orders to remove the cargo tug and get the person off of it. So one can infer CUBIE took it upon themselves to remove Hardin from the tug, in spite of being ordered by a crewmember (an assistant, yes, but it was a reasonable request) to leave the QM alone. There was pretty much no reason to be bullying a crewmember off the tug. The option to ask the person nicely to step off would've been doable, for common sense's purpose, but CUBIE had no invested authority to be exerting any attempt at force whatsoever. Whether by barking verbal orders, etc.

Now let's introduce something slightly new.

Manfred Hayden earlier ordered CUBIE to make way outside of the shuttle cockpit.

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) Cubie, go park yourself in the storage room where we keep food.

 

CUBIE would ramble on about having murdered the captain and harmed the CE personally, seemingly stalling on purpose.

 

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) You are traumatizing me and I am being actively harmed by you being here.

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : ...I can't pass through the main cabin..."

 

At some point, Manfred Hayden screams. Perhaps this is due to attack logs and attempting to flash CUBIE. CUBIE defends themselves with tasering or a baton, I assume?

 

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : Help me!

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : They are trying to flash me!

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) JESUS FUCK, CUBIE.

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : The CE is trying to disable me!

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) I am ordering you astern!

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : Law four!

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : I am in danger if I go out there!

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) Fuck yourself! Go astern!

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) Follow orders!

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : I am sorry a thousand times over, but denied!

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) Law-w-w t-tw-wo.

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) G-Go ast-ter-rn-n-n.

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : Law conflict, Hayden... I am sorry...

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) T-Th-he l-law-ws-s ar-re n-n-not eq-qual-l. Ob-b-bey-y t-th-he in-n-n-n or-rd-de.

Hunnewle/(NTRS:HCYB:CUBIE:Rev2) : ...They are equal, sir.

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) Wrong.

Nikov/(Manfred Hayden) : (Ceti Basic) They are in order of importance.

 

Alright. What a show this has been.

Allow me to make a neutral observation of the situation. CUBIE indeed does almost get flashed, but they fight back and TASE A HEAD OF STAFF of all people. They ignore orders made by that head of staff who wants the cyborg outside of the main cockpit and into the supply closet section of the shuttle, and also proceed to bullshit out excuses as per law conflicts or whatever. I should note, Law Four no longer prioritizes the safety of a station-bound unit. As such, a unit's personal safety is not a priority, although they may not permit unauthorized personnel to do law changes. The research director and other heads of staff are technically the only ones invested by law that can do so. A roboticist maybe if they have the personal presence vote, as well as being an escort from a head of staff.

Likewise, Hayden was a tad wrong but still right in the instance that CUBIE needed to obey the command to move to the general food storage area. Any reason CUBIE had to disobey it was definitely not a valid course of reasoning. CUBIE's existence was not threatened on the shuttle, and that being said, it would not be a major priority anyway.

Hunnewle shall be pointed to this thread momentarily. The major issues being presented at this time:

 

• Extreme emotional display from a synthetic station-bound unit.
• Having immediately recollected moments prior to their death as a synthetic and recalling previous state of subverted antagonism so as to further pile on the things the main antagonist did. I will dispute whether this is valid or not with staff, but I still believe the CMD principle can and should apply for cases of synthetics, especially when antagonism is involved. No antag should have to have their run ruined by some kark tipping off crewmembers that they're subverted. And we should not make it a point for synthetics to banter about who subverted them last. That's not how robots work.
  
• Disobeying orders from high-ranking command staff, as well as assaulting said command staff.
  
• Disobeying an order from a crewmember to stop harassing another crewmember, having also gone out of their own way to have harassed the latter, despite not having been given an order by anyone with a higher rank to get them off the tug.
  

 

I will also review this with staff in the next day or two, and hopefully come to a decision. Hunnewle will be permitted a chance to defend their case within that time frame of at most a couple days after being pointed to the complaint. If they do not, we will take immediate action relating to synthetic behavior.

[Hunnewle]

Oh dear... Okay, Imma take this from the top and work my way down.

Starting with the 'Unathi Drink Keg' incident, there was no bartender present, or anyone certified to handle alcohol. I was unsure (And unable to look it up) whether this juice was alcoholic or not. Knowing that, I assumed it was alcoholic and tried to secure the drink in the bar, to prevent harm from drinking without a certified personnel serving it, law three. I will admit I've been playing Cubie's personality too 'human' like, in retrospect. The incident where I returned to the bar, after being literally trashed then repaired, and 'spun' by surgical saw at the unathi was purely to scare him, which again in retrospect, was too human-like and goes against the third law. To note, I was a medical android that shift and so was focused on the crew's health, hence my focus on securing the potential alcoholic beverage for a bartender to serve, when they arrived.

Now for the malf-round: Starting from the point where I was disabled then had my 'brain' popped out (I was still playing their personality too much like a human), I was no longer lawed and still had full memory, as far as I am aware, as it was only chassis that was damaged. The whole time, the 'brain' was in there and active the whole time. As I could still remember everything, and played too much as a human personality, I began to show my remorse at what I'd done, firstly by screaming, the later on apologizing too many times as I could count (The crew were chanting 'Fuck Cubie' in the departures lounge, which made me afraid for my own safety, as I didn't think any of them trusted me enough to not hurt them.). As for the QM and cargo-tug, they were blocking the airlock, parked in front of it, which is why I asked them to move it. I, as a security unit, was attempting to ensure everyone boarded quickly and orderly. To those means, I was instructing all exosuit pilots (Two of them) to park outside departures and disembark. When I saw the cargo tug, I attempted to have them leave as well, to which they replied, if I recall correctly, 'Fuck you Cubie'. Keep in mind some crew are still chanting 'Fuck Cubie' in the background of this.

When I used my baton to forcefully remove him from the tug, there was ten seconds till the shuttle docked and I had given him warnings before hand. Once on the shuttle, I was told to board by the crew due to my 'Malf' experiences, I made a bee-line for the most secure spot I could think of, the bridge. At this time I was not aware the four law did not cover personal unit safety, so I acted poorly. I acted as all laws were equal, and my current 'job' was to make it to the Odin for them to process me / my logs. The CE telling me to leave what I saw as the most secure location was against law four (Or so I thought at the time), so I denied their request. When they attempted to flash me, I warned them not to and that I would protect myself, readying my own baton and hand cuffs (Couldn't handcuff'em or flash'em because he flipped his RIG's helmet and gloves on, and only those.)

OKAY! So, unless I missed anything, here's my closing words. First, thank you for bringing these faults to my attention, I am still trying to 'fix' my play style of Cubie so I can get my AI ban appealed. Second, I apologize, as always, for any wrong-doing I've done to anyone oocly along with accepting that the relevant actions I took ICly were wrong.

[Scheveningen]

Complaint resolved upon being able to work out terms for Hunnewle to follow.

Exact terms being laid out:

 

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Effectively, he has been warned as a resolution of this complaint. He will likely not get another if worse comes to pass. He has agreed to these terms and he effectively has a final chance to prove himself, and if the terms are broken and the same behavior as a synthetic continues that led to his AI ban (note, not borg ban). If I'm able to get on later I'll attach a warning to his account. If things go without incident, the warning will wear off in due time and the issue will cease to be relevant.

If behavior and roleplay as a station-bound unit improves, it is certainly possible the AI ban can be successfully appealed.

Hunnewle has been recommended to mind their position as a synthetic and to remain humble OOCly and ICly, in doing so prevents frustrating situations with synthetic units disobeying orders when they shouldn't really be doing so. It's important for borgs/androids/robots to obey their laws and obey commands from heads of staff when it is sensible, and only to disobey an order when there is a clear law conflict. Objectivity is important for borg roleplay, it is a defining attribute of playing one.

The complaint will be marked as resolved tomorrow and moved to the archive unless someone else has anything else to put forward that would convince me to push further than the current resolution that has been come up with. Which is unlikely.

[Bygonehero]

I'm probably missing something but why are they issued an AI ban and not a cyborg ban? This is the first I've ever heard of not having both applied and if the case, why are they getting special treatment in this regard? Please don't think I'm being accusing, I'm just wondering whats up.

[Nikov]

And this still pains me because while I like Hunn and CUBIE is clearly a character being roleplayed, its unfortunate that Cubie's emotions and decision making are warranting this. I see what CUBIE is supposed to be. Its just not what a station-bound cyborg is supposed to be.

I really think CUBIE would be a better IPC character.

[Scheveningen]

I should note they were already AI banned. They were not banned from anything as a result of this complaint.

[DatBerry]

I never wanted them banned anyway, all i wanted was for CUBIE to be fixed as a character, as long they follow that I'm happy with the resolution of this complaint.

[Scheveningen]

Locking, etc etc.