Player Complaint - SueTheCake, Alberyk

BYOND Key: OneOneThreeEight

Player Byond Key: SueTheCake

Staff involved: None, this complaint is the aftermath of me gathering my thoughts and information about what happened with a failed event I tried to run.

Reason for complaint: Okay. I'm so extremely bitter right now. There's really no way to sum this up, I should explain this from start to finish.

It's an event round I'm attempting to run. To put it simply, I planned on having two pilots of a starship drop into the setting of Aurora from the 34th century. They were supposed to be found by the crew, given rights to go about the station in their super dude suits, pretend the place is a Coalition outpost in the Outer Rim and slowly realize they were dropped into the past. They were from a background where patriotism is flared up and extremely important, as the four most important races in my alternate OC timeline were all allied together in a shaky relationship in order to fight back a superior enemy.

This took an hour to set-up because I was too much of an OCD-driven perfectionist in getting the starship set-up right and looking both cool in design and also somewhat decimated from their flight from a really shitty combat scenario that almost ended in the two pilots horrifically dying at the hands of brutal four-armed psionic cyborgs with extremely advanced technology. I really am sorry for being slow about it, but I was intending to be very particular about how the starship looked and making it close to perfect that I ended up losing sight of trying to get people involved in the story I was intending to tell with the two pilots, to get people interested, talking to us and preventing the round from 2 hour transferring. I was too slow and I couldn't intercept what retardation ended up happening in the round.

So, perhaps maybe midway or very late into my set-up of the pilots, Ana Roh'hi'tin gets scorned by Mrychny Lyar for whatever reason, from what I'm told by Meow is that it the quality and style of roleplay garnered from Roh'hi'tin is Unbound Travels MedRP-tier romance-drama garbage that I myself once made some questionable decision-making in doing once. In which point, anyway, Roh'hi'tin apparently marches off to the restroom, sits down on a nice porcelain potty, broods over themselves, draws their 1911, and then... lol.

But wait, let's backtrack a bit. How'd the CMO find them? Were they trying to go take a crap or something, and suddenly found a body with a giant hole in their head?

Well, no, actually, what happened was that Sue bitched enough in deadchat and adminhelps to the administration (That I could see because I had +MOD as an event host) so that her body could be found POST-HASTE IMMEDIATELY, because look at how DRAMATIC AND CLIMACTIC WE'VE GOTTEN. This ride will not stop until the angst and autism levels are high, we gotta go FASTER to speed this shit along. I'm literally wrapping a tourniquet around the puncture in my arm right now and injecting pure romantic drama, this is literally so riveting and good you guys! I need more.

Let's get on this, however. What happened after the CMO was goaded by an admin who, quite honestly, did not want to have someone who has a reputation for snarking the ear off of people whenever they don't get what they want and bitching about how the server quality has dropped, to get on their case. I can understand that, really. It may have not been the best decision, but I think they stuck with the thought that, "okay, sue is a good roleplayer, right? p sure nothing could go bad here".

We all live to be disappointed sometimes. The CMO, being a good, smart lad, refused to clone a suicide victim and told his staff rather insistently to avoid that at all costs. Yinzr, most likely either unknowing of the consequences or simply ignorant of the actual context, insisted rather violently that their cat second waifu (i mean unathi standards would be against interspecies shit, right?) be cloned. When the CMO refused, they were beaten into critical condition by the glorious ancestral club. Like, almost murdered. Just about. The two rangers, coming from a society where murder of an allied race is considered high treason against the United Coalition (the government they are from), seeing this, right off the bat? They have no fucking clue what to think. They got rescued by a doctor, fixed up, and in the meantime some other doctor who feared for their goddamn life opted to clone Ana.

Now let's get into why I take personal offense to this, and am utterly fucking appalled that a player I've known and trusted for a long time would suddenly act like a Grade A shitter. They did this RIGHT fucking when I finally got the event rolling and the two rangers interacting with people, right when I just started getting the event off the ground and going.

Like, alright, again, I will repeatedly apologize again and again for not making it fun enough for everyone else because of the speed I was going. The event host perms are fucked right now and it's impossible to get an event rolling without me being given fullblown +ADMIN perms. I was denied this, because, risk. Wasn't gonna happen, I didn't bother protesting.

But when it comes to the point where two parts of a shitty love triangle are doing their part in, intentional or not, undermining a fucking event round that I spent way too much prep time and investment on setting up, an event I was extremely excited for initially trying to host, an event I thought people were gonna like because it wasn't just your average "spawn space worms, ???, get profit" sort of custom event. Then it totally just crosses the line of human decency here. These two literally shit all over what could've been a decent event because of their dramawhoring, attention-hungry, non-subtle suicidal space lesbian gone hetero RP garbage that I thought I would only fucking hear mentions about from Unbound Travels.

I roleplayed an adulterer once, alright. I didn't mean to chase after it, it just happened. I did the romance thing once, I can't say I regret it all that much. You know what I didn't do? I didn't have my character straight up commit suicide because their 2d husbando got blown up, I didn't cause a fuckton of ridiculous drama that would actively affect every person on the station. No, I kept it within the business of the circles involved, because that's how it works. It's never forced, it just works fluidly. But, my character, did they off themselves? No, they mourned, grieved, learned slowly to get over it and develop better as a person, and they're now happily married again with an old coworker and friend. Happily ever after, just about, even if they still live with some tarnishment and bitterness on their soul. I mean, fuck, half of the character development went off-screen, because who's business is it for everyone to know who my character flirts with or doesn't? wew

But when I have to watch over that shit as an event manager, trying my best at not forcing circumstances other than, "okay, I've set this up, take it and go do stuff", so as to not disrupt any of the roleplayers with less interest in seeing space rangers, and instead I see suicidal space cats driving blood-thirsty lizards to brutally maim a head of staff end up eclipsing my own efforts and the efforts of one of the volunteers that deployed as a fellow SPESS RANJUR with me, then this is definitely where I draw the line when it comes to this whole shit about roleplay.

I mean, fucking hell, Sue. Just fucking hell. Just fucked my shit up. Do you ever stop to think, "Hm, maybe it's not everyone else that's toxic, but the poison is within me?"

Because if you walk down the street and meet an asshole, you have simply met an asshole. But if you walk down the street and every single person you see is an asshole, you are the asshole.

Secondly. Are we making it the standard that the staff are willing to ignore situations of escalation of force because "There was roleplay behind it?" Dooooooes anyone see why this could be a problem, or.... is it okay for me, a regular, to go around beating people with batons because they didn't clone my harem lover?

Approximate Date/Time: 27-FEB-2016, 1900-2100 EST.

Following this, I appealed for a three day ban, since I didn't feel like going on after this clusterfuck of a round. I don't enjoy relationship drama, so I had my character do everything they could ICly to get out of this assfuck. Due to numerous assistants causing trouble, as well as this mess, I had no idea what the event was even about. My round consisted of dealing with that relationship deal, then dealing with a suicide and arresting an attempted murderer. It was just fucking stupid, so I'm happy to sit on my three day ban and let the embers from this die.

Delta, I know you said you apologize for not making the event fast enough, or interactive enough fast enough, but you have to understand, and I think you do, that if that is the case, you can't be mad or surprised that people will do their own thing. In case you forget, this is a game people play for enjoyment. If Sue and Alberyk enjoy a little drama in their roleplay, well, what the hell not? Did they actually break any rules doing this? Well, arguably it could said broke the ICky OOCky rule by getting the madmins to poke someone in medical to get their body as fast as they did. But beside that? No, I don't feel like any rules were broken here. What I see is that you got mad because two people roleplayed a story arch they've had for a while, and found enjoyable, and you didn't like what that entailed. You even said started spreading salt in OOC that if people were going to be autistic idiots that you weren't even going to try to keep your event going. Some might argue you're in the wrong more so than anyone else in this situation. If any punishment is dolled out because two people decided to have a long standing, enjoyable character-to-character relationship, I am going to be extremely disappointed.

I mean, fucking hell, Sue. Just fucking hell. Just fucked my shit up. Do you ever stop to think, "Hm, maybe it's not everyone else that's toxic, but the poison is within me?"

You might want to take a step back and consider the hypocrisy in this statement. In fact, we have a few rules on this that aren't being heeded. No flame wars, no ad hominem, yet I see both consistently in complaints. As if the OP in complaints are to be used to vent your anger and publicize your personal opinions, to condescend, and to insult others free of consequence. Making a complaint isn't a "Be a dick free!" card. I can think of four complaints/appeals that do this very thing off the top of my head, this one included. Don't fall prey, Delta.

My two cents:

• If your event is eclipsed, oh well. Shit happens.
• What you did and how you do things is irrelevant; not all people are the same, not all characters are the same. People can and do have different views and philosophies of the world.
  
• The importance of events are only as important as the players make them (unless host-forced), like player encounters.
  
• This complaint doesn't seem to go beyond "I don't like thing".

The one thing I didn't approve of is nudging medical to find the body faster; if you're not found, you're not found imo. If you don't want to deal with the consequences, don't do it. That's certainly not worth a complaint though.

Since it's 4:30 I'll keep this as short as possible and post pictures and stuff once I woke up.

I was the person who SM'd the CMO about the body. Why?

The round was coming to an end and I observed the whole round. It was, up to this point, very good RP and I didn't want it to die because medical wasn't paying attention to the CMC. I don't recall Sue ahelping to ask that we SM medic staff, however, my game was muted so perhaps I didn't see it.

I was the person who allowed Sue to suicide. Why?

She, according to Ana's words, lost the only two things that kept her going. So I gave her to go-ahead.

More about this tomorrow.

Now! To the Yinzr part.

He tried to bribe the CMO, who put a DNC on Ana, to clone her. He offered the CMO everything he wants. The CMO didn't accept.

He tried to bribe Albert Gizro(?), same offer. Didn't accept the offer.

He came into the morgue. Took Ana's body. Pulled it in front of cloning. CMO tried to put her body back into the morgue, then harmbattoned the CMO. Broken ribs, punctured lung. He was at crit. Yinzr grabbed me (skrell doc) smashed me several times against the wall. Then Lyar came. Yinzr took his pistol. Shoots at Lyar. Lyar stuns him with a baton. I grab some cuffs and cuff him. Away to security!

However, fearing my life, and the fact that char watched Ana and Yinzr in previous rounds, her good side won, she cloned Ana.

Now, time to sleep. More story and shiny pictures tomorrow.

Delta, I know you said you apologize for not making the event fast enough, or interactive enough fast enough, but you have to understand, and I think you do, that if that is the case, you can't be mad or surprised that people will do their own thing. In case you forget, this is a game people play for enjoyment. If Sue and Alberyk enjoy a little drama in their roleplay, well, what the hell not? Did they actually break any rules doing this? Well, arguably it could said broke the ICky OOCky rule by getting the madmins to poke someone in medical to get their body as fast as they did. But beside that? No, I don't feel like any rules were broken here. What I see is that you got mad because two people roleplayed a story arch they've had for a while, and found enjoyable, and you didn't like what that entailed. You even said started spreading salt in OOC that if people were going to be autistic idiots that you weren't even going to try to keep your event going. Some might argue you're in the wrong more so than anyone else in this situation. If any punishment is dolled out because two people decided to have a long standing, enjoyable character-to-character relationship, I am going to be extremely disappointed.

Nope. Their cute little love triangle spiraled out of control enough to the point where they vastly eclipsed the round 'antagonists' that were attempting to make an appearance and try to roleplay. They were denied those attempts to interact with anyone because the crew were too busy killing each other over suicidal space cat-ism.

It is not about the rules. It is about this long-forgotten, very important thing we call 'standards'. It is what we, at the very least, expect of each other to abide by. They are our morals. They are our deeprooted attributes that make us all interesting and great roleplayers. Until, we cast them aside in favor of being rule lawyers who think "keeping the focus on fun" means giving everyone a machine gun to ruin the workplace together. Respectfully, fuck that shit.

I literally had to call the entire round not canon in a DO sense because of all of the murder, chucklefucking, dramawhoring and disgusting display from regulars compared to the damn balds raiding the station. Yinzr got away scot-free with attempting to murder a head of staff today because of that. Paging mister mods, how do you plan on dealing with Alberyk's ridiculousness? I've opened a couple threads already and apparently it seems like you want to encourage shitcurity over goodcurity.

Of course, when it gets to the OOC side, cyberbullying is a real problem worth prosecuting over. Damn the man who dare challenge someone else on equal ground of 'harassment.'

Major misconception, and not true. I said that I would not do another event like this, because of the end-round OOC salt. Understandable, it is difficult to read tone over digital text.

You might want to take a step back and consider the hypocrisy in this statement. In fact, we have a few rules on this that aren't being heeded. No flame wars, no ad hominem, yet I see both consistently in complaints. As if the OP in complaints are to be used to vent your anger and publicize your personal opinions, to condescend, and to insult others free of consequence. Making a complaint isn't a "Be a dick free!" card. I can think of four complaints/appeals that do this very thing off the top of my head, this one included. Don't fall prey, Delta.

Oh, stop. You're the first person off the top of my head when I think of a moderator who responded to me in a snarky and unprofessional fashion. Let's not pretend we're all not hypocrites here or have any level of moral high ground over one another. Either we learn to mediate ourselves or we have completely lost any hope of being a functional community that resolves any issues around here.

If your event is eclipsed, oh well. Shit happens.

So you are generally complacent of balds+suicidal space-cats+other shitty drama to eclipse other players/characters? Apathy is death.

What you did and how you do things is irrelevant; not all people are the same, not all characters are the same. People can and do have different views and philosophies of the world.

Apathy is death. Only by giving a fuck can we actually make some change around here, else there is no motivation to even play.

The importance of events are only as important as the players make them (unless host-forced), like player encounters.

See, okay. You understand this is a dumb, apathetic and useless statement, correct?

I have standards I hold myself to. I will never as an event host make an event in which I force stupid, unfair and uninteresting story elements onto people in an effort to satiate a powertrip. I have more fun when I get good feedback for doing a good job of something, rather than just being a generally terrible person and making them suffer.

Yes, yes, and you say this a lot to trivialize the experiences that other players are having because of this self-inflated self-importance you now have as a moderator. You know, perhaps the staff does not realize that the customer is always right. I don't think I really saw you doing much that round regarding taking complaints/dibs/adminhelps, I just saw you meming in LOOC with another player for, just about the entire round.

 

The one thing I didn't approve of is nudging medical to find the body faster; if you're not found, you're not found imo. If you don't want to deal with the consequences, don't do it. That's certainly not worth a complaint though.

That's funny, because I heard you saying earlier in that round that staff never touches or tampers with the ongoing roleplay in the round. Especially considering, from what I recall, Sue was not exactly very polite about the matter. They were quite curt with their request.

As a forum moderator, I just want to remind everyone of the rules of this section. Only post if you were involved in what happened or you have logs to provide. Avoid personal/ad hominem attacks, and keep this thread on the subject of the actual complaint.

Thank you in advance.

Delta, calm down with the personal attacks on people. This is not what we are here to discuss, and you are actively going against the rules. If you continue like you are, you're just losing credibility for yourself.

EDIT: Renaming your posts into something passive-aggressive doesn't help either Delta. At this point, you're just breaking the rules.

Now, onto the matter at hand. No rules were broken, no standards were broken as I can see them, except your own.

So you are generally complacent of balds+suicidal space-cats+other shitty drama to eclipse other players/characters? Apathy is death.

I think that summarizes it pretty well. You obviously didn't like what happened, so you criticize it as shitty drama bull. But people were just playing the game in a way that was enjoyable to them, and beside the poking at the CMO thing, everyone else but you rolled with the punches and just roleplayed around it. There is nothing that was done here worthy of punishment of any people involved.

First of all: God damn it, I didn't think I'd ever make the mistake of accidentally editing someone's post trying to quote it. That's embarrassing. If a forum mod or admin can restore Delta's post, that'd be swell.

I knew you were going to do just this, so I'll leave it at this:

• How does what events transpired break the rules?
• How does what events transpired clash with the philosophy of our server?
  
  • Being that, the community and its decisions are what it's about.
    
    • If suicidal space cats are what happens, then that's what happens.
    • If balds are what happens, then it happens until they break the rules or do ridiculous shit.
      
    • If drama is what happens, that's what happens. That's roleplay; whatever happens, happens.

A lot of people I noticed seem to have issues with taking what I say into context (you aren't the first one) so I'll make it a bit clearer for everybody.

Whatever happens, happens

• Applies to RP and other IC occurrences
  
  • People griefing and chucklefucking are not IC occurrences, these are OOC actions much like metagrudging, metagaming, etc.
    
    tl;dr anything that breaks the rules or clashes with the philosophy of our server

If you can answer one of the bolded questions with a reasonably logical and unbiased answer, your complaint will have a lot more legitimacy.

In reference to literally all of the attacks against me in that post, then take it up with me directly or make a complaint. Maybe we can come to an understanding.

In combination to a mod just "fucking my shit up", I'm done until someone with a brain and had some involvement in the issue can say something of note regarding these instances. Good job violating your own rules, lads. Preaching that "THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!" when they clearly did the opposite goes to show how much the staff team really cares about these issues anymore.

Alright, since this thread has spiraled faster than anything Ive ever seen before, and Delta himself saying he wants to waiting until a higher staff wants to handle this, Ill be locking the thread until an Admin can look into the matter for them.

As a note, there is sadly no way for anyone to recover Delta's post. Once a post is edited, it's edited. Okay, nevermind, Delta had the post saved somewhere, Ill be fixing it now.

Sue ahelped, asking for spoon. I told her he was afk.

My answer:

Some messages to Lyar/Yinr, some buildup over the radio. THEN.

Now this:

At no point did Sue actually ask for help from the mod/min team to help medical staff to find her body.

Why did I SM the medical staff? The round was slowly ending and I didn't want the RP to die there, so I sent the CMO the following SM:

More about the Yinzr stuff later.

I'll unlock this now.

Only post if you are involved. I don't want this complaint to derail and everyone jumping on Sue again.

Sue is still forumbanned so I am posting on her behalf.

I ahelped asking for permission to suicide, and admins granted it for me. I didn't ask for anything else. Shadow offered to subtle message medical staff, and in no way did I ask admins to do it for me. He did, and then I merely watched the drama unfold. That's really all I have to say. I don't understand how roleplaying is toxic - nor was it my intention to fully undermine whatever event was going on. Ana is not Vira; their responses are not the same.

In my honest opinion, this complaint shouldn't even exist. It is based off of "you didn't rp how I wanted to" and nothing really more. I don't understand where the hostile attacks on me are coming from. That whole round I never complained about anything to anyone and just roleplayed it all in stride. I thought it was good, interesting drama. It got people involved, there was conflict in what Yinzr was doing, so I mean...

...that's all. I only ever asked admins for permission to suicide. I never asked them to do anything beyond that.

[10:54:08 PM] Sue: "from what I'm told by Meow is that it the quality and style of roleplay garnered from Roh'hi'tin is Unbound Travels MedRP-tier romance-drama garbage that I myself once made some questionable decision-making in doing once." really meow?

[10:58:29 PM] Menown: I never told him anything like that.

[10:58:32 PM] Menown: I said it was stupid.

Hi, it's me again.

Just going to leave this here:

Sue did nothing wrong.

NOTHING wrong.

I'll dig for Alberyk/Yinzr logs tomorrow when I come home.

I'm with the side of the complaint being dumb. While I feel what occurred was stupid, and despite my attempts to tell Sue I had absolutely no interest in being involved with any drama like that, I got pulled into it anyway. I have questions over it all being canon or not, since Sslazhir attempting to murder a Head would be pretty big news, not to mention something he may be fired over.

Denouncing it all as non-canon is a major setback, since there's really no way to ignore any of that happened.

I can pretty much confirm that Sue never ahelped for Ana’s body to be found like you claim, Senpai did send the sm, which I am fine with it. I also have access to those channels, and the only ahelp from Sue was about the suicide thing, which was allowed by the staff, not breaking any rules.

About the situation with the chief medical officer, Yinzr tried to bribe him, he did beg to them to do the cloning, and he tried such with another doctor. Yes, a proud unathi warrior did reach the point to begging someone for it, because, he was unable to do anything. Then; Yinzr managed to get inside the morgue and wanted Ana to be cloned, he did get aggressive when the cmo still refused and dragged the bodybag away, Sslazhir attacked the cmo with his baton. Still, in none moment he wanted to kill the head of staff, when the cmo was on the ground exhausted due to the baton hits, Yinzr stopped and went back to his original objective.

In none moment I wanted to mess with your event or anything, I did take part in it, by going with the expedition to the ship. I was roleplaying the situation, but just ignoring what happened was pretty much breaking character. Yes, Yinzr did use force when everything else he tried failed, an escalation did happen.

(i mean unathi standards would be against interspecies shit, right?)

Yes, that is true. And rp happened due to such, still, we can’t cater everyone in what we do. Same applies to events and character’s plotlines and etc, it is impossible; people will be displeased for different reasons don’t matter what.

Anyway, I share most of the opinions of jboy, Tainavaa and Sue in this situation. Sadly, people got involved in it, meow mostly since he didn’t want so, but, this was been dealt between us, and some other people didn’t like it. But, yes, I never aimed for that plot to get in such proportions, but, not everything can go as we plan.

Right.

Okay. Last time I checked with the rules regarding roleplaying characters, they say this:

And correct me if I'm wrong here. Ana Roh'hi'tin put a bullet in her brain because Lyar said outwardly to Roh'hi'tin, "Hey, I'm not interested in the drama. I'm gonna keep my distance, okay?" while Yinzr replied to Ana that she was second to his wife.

Repeating, Ana committed suicide because of a workplace fling gone mostly sour. And an admin thought this was a-okay. And that's stretching it. I can understand the dejection from rejection, but I don't understand why Sue thought it was reasonable enough for their character to take their own life over something like this. It's not like a lover died. Everyone has bad days, but you'd have to be in an extremely shitty state to go to a degree of offing yourself, and most folk have pretty high thresholds when it comes to this. I would assume that the only characters that are allowed are sane characters who place a fair deal of value in their own lives, or borderline characters who still, place value in their own lives.

Where do we set the standard here? Do we bother or not bother? Do we try to care about our community or do we remain complacent, ignorant of what people think and feel and totally apathetic, treating our players as if they're military targets?

The last time this was an issue, a good fraction of the playerbase left the server.

Furthermore, this is perhaps the third instance I've reported of Alberyk overescalating force as a security officer for an extremely stupid reason. The line's been crossed back and forth already, it's clear there's no respect for that anymore. Are we going to finally take ourselves seriously and start evaluating their conduct and issuing whatever feels just and fair in preventing these gross violations of roleplaying rules we have put into place, or are we going to ignore it and further reinforce the opinion being spread around that being staff makes you untouchable nowadays?

A certain ex-staff member would be rolling in laughter at seeing our standards degenerate so much.

I was the Captain during the round, I ordered the CMO to not clone the person who committed suicide for obvious reasons. Just so it's clear in the context. Assuming all of this was fine RP (yinzr attacking the CMO) and was all cannon. Had Delta filed a IC complaint, Wouldn't Yinzr more or less be fired or heavily demoted? I mean the CMO was definitely in the right in terms of rules, Yinzr attacked a head of staff... Seems like this belongs in an IC complaint IF the other staff's believe nothing was done "wrong".

I was the Captain during the round, I ordered the CMO to not clone the person who committed suicide for obvious reasons. Just so it's clear in the context. Assuming all of this was fine RP (yinzr attacking the CMO) and was all cannon. Had Delta filed a IC complaint, Wouldn't Yinzr more or less be fired or heavily demoted? I mean the CMO was definitely in the right in terms of rules, Yinzr attacked a head of staff... Seems like this belongs in an IC complaint IF the other staff's believe nothing was done "wrong".

More or less. This chain of events in combination with balds and random self-antagonizing to the point where it was nothing the staff online were either able or willing to control. So I basically said, "ICly, this round never happened. Get on with life as usual."

Also, can I also just say this? I'm bitter. Very much bitter. Understand that I am bitter, okay? I'm going to remain bitter until we finally set these issues straight or get on the path to it.

Doing absolutely nothing will not result in nothing changing, the situation will actually get actively worse if we refuse to acknowledge issues I've highlighted.

Alberyk, you forgot to mention a few things that happened after you broke the CMO's ribs.

Yinzr attacks the CMO:

I don't know what exactly happened here but Yinzr shot at Akela.

Security arrives and tries to detain Yinzr:

Was this justified? Did you take it too far?

I will discuss this with the rest of the admin team and (hopefully) make a judgement tomorrow.

By the way, Akela was hit because everyone started to mob around the fight, there was around three engineers at medbay for some reason. Yinzr attacked the cmo when he started to drag away the body bag, but, as I said; he tried everything before and he didn't really want Ana to be dead and things end like that. Sure, he did use violence and attacked someone, but escalation happened, and conflict and rp was created by it.

As people stated, characters are different and they will react different, Yinzr did everything that was in his power and capacity to get Ana cloned, when it failed he did use force. He don't know how to use the cloning machine, so, his only hope was to get someone else to do so, but the chief medical officer refused, besides taunting and yelling loudly over the radio about the suicide before.

Right then, after a lengthy discussion we came up with the following:

A week jobban from security.

We will observe him and his behaviour during this time. He is encouraged to play Yinzr during this time to show us

that he can calm down.

After said week three things could happen:

1) He calmed down and he can play sec again with a less aggresive behaviour.

2) He didn't calm down as much as we want to, we will reapply the week ban to give him a second chance to tone it down even more

3) He didn't calm down at all, we will bring this issue up to JB, and depending on him and Yinzr his whitelist will be stripped, or not.

Defer to this post, regarding what is struck out above: http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5317&p=53220#p53220

As for Sue, she literally did nothing wrong.

Literally. No punishment.

Leaving this open 24 hours.

Can I bump in for a moment and ask why Yinzr has a Tajaran side bitch?

Maybe I'm wrong, but saying that Ana Issek is second "only to his wife" is really fucking weird, considering how xenophobic the Unathi are AS WELL AS how much they devalue females. I would hope that someone as honor driven as Yinzr would respect the lore and avoid ever forming companionship with a catbeast.

It makes Yinzr look really backwards from the lore and inconsistent in his character design.

Stop interjecting if you're not involved you bourgeois scum.

I'll answer this as the loremaster because it's been asked by actual involved parties.

Unathi are, as of writing, not a hivemind. They are capable of having thoughts, ideas, or passions that are deviant to the cultural norms. The condition of them having these deviant aspects to the unathi are that the player accepts that their character would be considered a degenerate. Yinzr has already been told by a visiting Unathi noble that if he acts on his degenerate thoughts for Ana he'd find his clan's enemies funded and his own clan razed to the ground and its name trashed. It becomes a lore problem if the player plays it as if the degeneracy isn't actually a problem or a drawback to the character, and refuses to accept consequences.

Right then, after a lengthy discussion we came up with the following:

A week jobban from security.

We will observe him and his behaviour during this time. He is encouraged to play Yinzr during this time to show us

that he can calm down.

After said week three things could happen:

1) He calmed down and he can play sec again with a less aggresive behaviour.

2) He didn't calm down as much as we want to, we will reapply the week ban to give him a second chance to tone it down even more

3) He didn't calm down at all, we will bring this issue up to JB, and depending on him and Yinzr his whitelist will be stripped, or not.

The actions detailed above have been overruled and shelved awaiting review.

As it stands, the actions specifically in this complaint, by all involved parties, are valid. Yinzr followed escalation necessary, given the situation; Sue's suicide was legitimate; etcetera. I have a massive wordwall stowed to explain just why those things are as they are, but I hope I do not need to post it. It is not a pleasant wordwall.

Onto the matter at hand. Alberyk received a warning by Garn regarding his aggression while playing security, following a trail of warnings of similar nature. The next step up would have been something described above. While discussing this case with my administrators, it was brought to my attention that Alberyk may not have adhered to the warning given, and that the issue persisted. At which point, the action described above should be taken. However, as a mistake, I chose to trust my administrators explicitly, without requesting the standard rundown of specific incidents. While their judgement may indeed be correct, judgement alone is not enough to enact a punishment of this nature.

To clarify for anyone not explicitly tracking my usage of the English language: the mistake was on my part, in not filling a checkbox required before signing off on action recommended. Evidence must be processed, and it was an error on my part to take action without fully doing so.

The two administrators that raised this matter to my attention will find the relevant instances, and will review them. As per the step I missed out on. If they are deemed as grounds enough to conclude that Alberyk has indeed not been adhering to the warning issued by Garn, then the weekban will be reinstated. Until such a time, the ban will be lifted.

Any questions?

Yes.

Yinzr followed escalation necessary, given the situation;

"Given the situation"? They almost murdered a CMO who outright refused to clone someone as per standard operating procedure regarding suicide victims. If they were ignored by Doctor Gizro who was luckily standing around at the time to stabilize them, then the CMO would have died. How is this acceptable?

I mean, pls. Come on. Look at the second image Shadow just posted. Yinzr lit up bystanders and tried lighting up a fellow fucking officer. Are you seriously saying this shitfit was in any way justified at all?

It was an extended round. There were no valid antagonists. There was no good reason for Yinzr to go all-out murderdeath on a head of staff who outranks a low-level security officer. "Because they didn't clone my friend that killed themselves," is not a good excuse, and you know this, Skull. This is getting dangerously close to levels of silliness in comparison to, say, a blue unathi with an afro ramming a nurse into a slab in the morgue.

Alberyk has engaged in this behavior before, and THIS is not even the first time it's happened. It's the first time anyone's even bothered to report it, savvy? Because usually when people report the same thing over and over again, they are identifying a problem that needs to be dealt with in a proper manner. You have stripped my head whitelist, twice, for the same spiel.

Logs were provided in that instance as well. We have three back-to-back cases of Alberyk overescalating in a non-sensical, immersion-breaking, paranoid and roleplay-breaking manner, antag circumstances or not. And there is clear evidence of that being the case.

If you have no interest in adding disciplinary measures that don't amount to only a single slap on the wrist for someone who would be banned from here and back if they were not staff, then close this thread up and mark it as resolved. Shadow held me to a promise to be nice about this, but this is extremely weak of you to hold back on someone who has sufficient evidence to have shown that they've done plenty wrong so far. And I am very much spiteful about you treating someone in a much more radically different manner than in which you handled my cases in the past, for the exact same thing. Blatant abuse of authority roles, paranoid escalation of force, bullrushing into antagonist situations, a complete disregard for pain or fearRP. We've all been here before.

This doesn't seem or appear fair whatsoever in retrospect viewing to how you did things back then. Then again, I've never been server staff, neither has Seven Ghost, nor Reyjakai, nor Sleepy Wolf, nor TechnoKat, all of who are infamous for doing pretty silly things to different increments of insanity. I guess the context of who you are and how well established you are with the server cliques matters more than the context of your actions.