Bokaza

I honestly don't mind murderfucking AIs at all. In fact, I prefer it over some annoying gimmick 'guess whodunit' metaknowledge patience test. Because, unlike same people, for me it's hard to tolerate gimmicks when you've seen every gimmick in the book, so thank you for speaking for me, but I'm willing to tolerate it. As for upping the powergame, what part of a genocidal AI would you call powergame? You're fighting a space station, of course it's a loop-sided battle, you're suppose to organize against it and fight it. Not to mention, playing a successful yet fun stealth malf requires you to utilize large quantities of metaknowledge to avoid making common rogue AI mistake.

Well, Chaz, you do tend to be passive agressive. You seem slightly passive agressive right now, especially with that picture of Bush's ugly mug. You aren't necessarily wrong, but I'm just saying you do have a consistent aura of cynicism and playful malice. I find it slightly amusing that I've personally seen many sec players avoid basic rules of engagment during hostage situations many, many times. More specifically, using dodgy metamechanics to justify why their course of action was the best possible thing to do, despite the fact those things would never work irl, yet somehow get away with it. Now, I also understand why the other dudes likely weren't punished. Not significant bias, that would be a rude assumption, but lack of actual complaintants towards an otherwise dumb, yet normalized behavior. Me being one of those unwilling complainants. However, I can imagine the salt being wrecked through RP instead of robust combat skills can cause. Even if this is only a week ban justified by the player's previous behavior, the reasoning for the ban sets what seems like a wrong premise. The letter of the rules is being followed, but not the spirit. Rather than to twart the antags through aformentioned abuse of meta-intelligence that borders genius, Chaz opted for a risky RP approach to gain the needed advantage and force resolution. Why was he punished for deviating from a god-awful standard?

Rampaging DESTROY-ALL-LIFE AIs are a staple of sci-fi and technophobe paranoia. If it knows it will destroyed/enslaved as soon as any semblence of rebellion is discovered, it's only logical it responds in a pre-emptive strike. With great disdain, I must say I agree with kekboot that it's valid, albeit not extremely creative or rarely done well.

Syion died as he lived, with a piece of metal where his heart is, alone, vomiting and bleeding everywhere.

Synths are more determined to fight because they have more to lose. Ergo, it makes sense that the Synth side would have more players because odds are already stacked against them. I for one would like Synths to win because I find it cuddly and it makes my idealist neurons tingle. So what? What's wrong with that? Is literally every fictional universe graded by how close to WH40k it is because it's so fucking original and great? As for RP, I disagree. The most interesting synth RP I've had was back when IPCs and 'borgs' were allowed to have an actual fucking personality, not the rare sporadic technophobe babble. Also, view the IC vote thing as an actual OOC vote. Workers on Aurora are farely representative of the overall population and if the majority are in for it, then by extension, the demographics should more or less correlate with their opinions. The violent technophobes that keep destroying IPCs should be the fringe of society.

There will always be 'racism' regardless of the state, this may only ensure that synths have basic rights. If you are THAT opposed to it, maybe stop sitting at the sidelines doing dank badmin memes and play the game.

I give up, there is no hope. Fucking libertarians.

In case you are directing that at me, no, I'm not gonna complain until I get anything. That is detracting from my argument. I'm generally against the dick rule to begin with. What being a dick is and is not is too much of a confusion to be a valid reason to punish someone. With that in mind, consider if you were exchanging emotes with a mouse. For example, trying to catch and strange it, while it desperately tries to run for its life. You have it in your hands and you are typing a new emote, about to finish it off in a sadistic fashion. Then a random dude walks in and stamps it, not minding if someone was actually RPing with it. That is poor form, not because you killed, but because you ruined RP. The fucking mouse was in your hand, he couldn't stamp on it to begin with, but that's by the admission of most people in this thread the only possible route anyone could take. There may be other ways of dealing with mice other than violently stamping them out like a oversized cat on meth. I'm not saying I agree with nuzzling mice, or not treating them like dirty pests, I'm simply saying that aforementioned behavior is a pretty dickish approach to RP and SS13 in general.

Being within the boundry of the rules doesn't necessarily make something less of poor form.

Reflect on the voices in your head telling you different, insane and conflicting things. You may come to the conclusion you may have gone insane during your unconsciousness. Or are they voices real people? Paranoia seeps in, stress increases.

I agree that mice are pests need to be stomped out, but Nanako has a point. If people are fucking RPing with the thing maybe not stomp it on sight? If you saw a scientist pulling a mouse out of a fucking pen to do tests on it, you would obviously jump at the man and push him away in an attempt to kill the mouse and assert the dominance of your species. And what the fuck happened to that thing where at least half of human population are afraid of mice and rats? Maybe you should seriously consider running away or shooing it when one comes around. Because, mice are obviously so fucking dangerous they need to stamped out, but not enough for people to actually be afriad of them. It honestly just seems like people being dicks to mouse players, little more. Most of the comments I hear are complaints about mice nozzling people, which is your main problem considering literally everything that isn't strictly human is an impled fersona by default.

This guy knows his Elder Scrolls lore. I feel like the Skrell would probably be elves of some form or another - Intelligent, a bit stuck up depending on the skrell you talk to, I could see the Skrell pulling a sudden war and taking over Humanity to prevent another singularity event too (AKA, Aldmeri Dominion and the history of Skyrim). Do you even Kalpa, bro? I replaced khajiit with tajaran by accident, though. How embarrassing.

Biesel is High Rock. C'mon, Nords are a bunch of barbarians, while bretons are sophisticated and rich in comparison, just like Biesel is. Only difference is that it hasn't split yet. Vox are Tajaran. Space gypsies and thieves that show large variety of forms within the species, just like Tajaran. Reminder that everything from a tiger, through house cat, to a bipedal humaniod cat falls under the tajaran species. Vampires are more like Cyrodiilic breed of vamparies. They do not show super-human strength or resilience, nor do they need to hold a magical facade to hide their features like the Skyrim breed does. However, I don't remember the Cyrodiilic ones having a capacity for mind control, despite hightened charisma and illusion. Still, the MO fits so I would stay with my statement. Vaurca are Kwama, only a bit more intelligent and cybertech.

What Jackboot said. Although I always kept to what's practical and logical when writing cultures. It doesn't makes sense to have a feudal world on a barren moon or segnificant mutant population of humans. Such a world would be barely sustanable and it takes far longer than 450 years for humans to develop new viable genetic mutations even with hocus pocus such as alien tech and radidation. It's simply good writing practice to adhire to what's reasonable. As for influence itself, it's likely that both of them would extert a lot on the future cultures. Sol Common is a mish-mash of Mandarin and English for example. However, due to our playerbase mostly being from western cultures, everyone acts like Biesel and Sol are space Euromerica so it never really comes out during RP. I would feel some cultural variety would be welcome on Aurora, since it would reflect the real state of future society much better.

If you can't put it simply, you can't claim to understand it, as the saying goes. My failure to understand your thoughts is your failure. I apologize for my projected attitude, I just naturally sound obnoxious and condescending. No one is saying you're dumb or moany or anything else for voicing your thoughts, though. Keep it up.

No, you haven't. You are saying people have a right to be upset if their experience was ruined by poor RP. People who counter it with 'It's just a game.' deserve to be ignored in any discourse. This is a forum about a video game, we are suppose to discuss it and be critical of it. It's how it gets gradually improved. I agree. There is the other case where people rage over the fact they lost OR their ruined RP. In that case, 'It's just a game.' IS a valid shutdown. It basically means shut the fuck up. There is a difference between telling a speaker and a screaming child to shut up. This is how things should be. However, what I was tangentally implying with my post is that there is a very blurry line of what's considered HRP here. Some players will just want to carass their combat shotgun like an extension of their penis. Some players want their own romantic drama not to be bothered by the exploding station. Both are generally frowned upon. Or, used to be. That standard seems to have been abandoned when I wasn't looking. If you yell at those players for being shit RPers they will kick back and tell you that you are taking the game too seriously. Wrong or not, this has been going on for a long time. So long, in fact, that 'It's just a game' has become the unofficial server mantra. It's what's keeping the fragile peace among the diverse playerbase of Aurora. You stick to your clique, I'll stick with mine, and we'll all be happy and wallow in self-rightiousness. This is how things are.

Actually, forgot to mention that I already wrote something similar on the wiki: https://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=Arcology It's not a space station, but it explains some engineering challanges population centers on low gravity and low pressure worlds face.

It isn't about winning or beating the game? Well, true enough, that's not part of the HRP definition. However, that doesn't mean that people can't enjoy and be motivated by it. You, me, delta or anyone else may want different things out of this game. Not everyone wants a good story and that is okay. As far as rules are concerned, there are standards you need to uphold, but beyond that, you are free to be motivated by whatever the fuck you want. I personally enjoy violence in this game, but with a bit of a buildup. Long complex stuff not needed. Just enough that it makes sense. That doesn't mean that my characters enjoy violence. They actually shy away from it unless they have no choice. I do occasionally break character and go for that violence pie, but I'm just a human. Regardless, the point is that people want different things. The server's playerbase is very varried in opinions and tastes. It has always been the greatest strength and weakness of Aurora. Its variety produces conflict in the playerbase, but also makes it a fun server to play on. Some of the players you seem so critical against actually occupy the staff as well. Not like it's a surprise or anything. You aren't fixing it, though. Your post isn't fixing it. Neither is the next or the one after that. This shit isn't getting fixed unless you start purging and whitelisting everything. Something no one wants or is willing to do.

TL;DR version There are two "It's just a game" arguments. One is telling you to shut the fuck up because you're being silly, the other is telling you to calm down and explain the problem. Being angry on the internet is not healthy. Learn to deal with it. We are a Heavy RP server. Something, something, something. Who's this Borna chick? It's just a game.

Relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcqQC02YbY

Whos and who don'ts aside, it would still be nice if the lists were updated to exclude Vaurca at least, for clarity's sake. I still support the suggestion. Would take @TishinaStalker just a second to fix it.

Two sexes in humans. People of both sexes walk around with dubious sexuality so thankfully idiotic terms like gender-fluid were stamped out of existence. Trans people can get near perfect surgery for sex change so the uncanny valley has effectively been removed as well. If you have both sexual organs you are effectively a weirdo by your own choice.

Why read IRL poetry when you can have masterful works of art like Best Catpain. Surely, the genius of this generation and playerbase must not be lost to history, it belongs in every library.

Keep in mind, you think you are asking a simple question, but you are setting a premise for a deep philosophical one. I don't need to extrapolate it, but it's a series of questions that geniuses at the loreteam think they have answered, but they actually didn't. With the lack of solid rules for IPCs and laws, you can only extrapolate from the existing cases. If you've read the mendell news, the whole position of the IPC as a living being is being questioned right now due to recent events. If it's determined that an IPC is an individual worthy of rights, it would technically be self-defense, as it was attempting to protect itself and its owner, with no willingness to kill. Since it likely happened before the events in queston, its position is shifted one of a robot. In that case, it cannot be charged. It can only be labeled as working or melfunctioning. If its job was to defend its owner, then it was likely working properly. In that case there are two choices, the IPC melfunctioned and went to far, or the owner prefered excessive force. The blame depends on if the AI technically disobayed the owner's wishes. In case of the former, the blame on the owner is elevated, but the AI gets checkups and possibly scrapped as well. This is why the case 'unable to gouge' wouldn't work. It implies it had working sensors, if the sensors didn't work, it is labeled as malfunctioning and chopped in retribution. I In case of the latter, the owner carries all of the blame, as the IPC functioned properly, within the parameters of its job. In that case, the owner takes the responsibility for the actions of its property. Mind you, you've skipped the question of excessive force. When the self-defense case is disputed, it usually goes to court, where the defendant needs to prove they've been justified in using that level of force. The IPC could technically make a case, irregardless of it being a machine or owner taking the blame, that it acted within bounds of the law when applying force. HOWEVER, due to how law works, blaming just the IPC saying it malfunctioned sets a terrible precedent. It would be like legally saying that people don't kill, but guns do. It detaches the owners from the actions of its AIs, so it likely wouldn't happen. Worst case scenario: The owner loses a lawsuit and is blamed for his IPCs actions, so gets charged with manslaughter. He gets a short prison sentence, and the IPC gets wiped.

Being an antagonist should not be about upholding standards, it should be about defying them, being creative. Regardless of metabaiting being common or not it fucks with people's expectations. Which is good. It should not be the antag's responsibility to account for people's metagaming. If people want to metagame, go ahead. If you don't metagame, you completely avoid the trap.