alexpkeaton

BYOND Key: Alexpkeaton (Played that round as Jack Edwardson, QM) Staff BYOND Key: Garnascus Game ID: bQQ-aKBv Reason for complaint: Garnascus spawned himself as a lone-member ERT near the end of a Rev round and acted like a death squad when people didn't follow an order he issued in an announcement under the name of the revhead HoP who had been making false announcements all shift to rile up the crew against NT. I feel the murdering of crew who didn't follow the confusing announcement could have been avoided by sending an announcement in his own name, or, better yet, having more players on the ERT that could screen crewmembers prior to shuttle docking and not needing to resort to violence at all. I also feel that he abused his authority by not communicating to my ahelp post round by claiming through a moderator that he couldn't handle that complaint, while apparently, at the same time, providing info to the moderator about what to say regarding the incident. If he cannot handle the complaint, he shouldn't be providing the moderator with what to say either. It just smacked of "I don't want to deal with you." Evidence/logs/etc: Garnascus bussed himself into the round as L/tpr Baer. He was the only ERT that round. He sent this message upon arrival: this is lead trooper baer. anyone armed is hereby ordered to disarm and collect yourself to the bar or medical if you are injured. command are ordered to disarm as well and wait in the bridge meeting room. failure to comply with any of these directives will have you labeled a danger to the company -L/tpr Baer (Emergency Response Team) I do not know if Baer went to the bar or medical to clear individuals that gathered there. I would make my way to the bar (though admittedly it took me some time to get there, partly because I was hungry and partly because I had half of an armory on my back and was figuring out what to do with it). When I arrived at the bar there were only two other characters there, one of whom was severely injured and I treated with a medkit I brought and decided to take them to cargo to see if I had some stabilizing medicine in the warehouse. The following message was then sent a short time after he came on station: Priority Announcement we are initating evacuation procedures. If you have not been PERSONALLY named by me to evacuate you will REMAIN ON STATION in YOUR DEPARTMENT. failure to comply with this will have your mode of transportation destroyed in transit. a full regiment shall be dispatched to investigate -Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat (Head of Personnel) That message was signed by the rev HoP, who had sent out untruthful messages during the round to try to sow distrust in the standard Chain of Command. ----- For example: Nathan Corvo gave a pistol to a crewmember and told them to open fire on me and the CSI agent. He has been arrested and demoted to janitor as an act of parole. STOP TTRYING TO KILL EVERYONE. -Rrazujun Rrhazkal-Jawdat (Captain) (not true, though brilliant on the part of the Acting Cap. I was involved in that incident and the Captain had not even reached his office to equip when those events happened) ----- I immediately called BS on this in common comms, and the only direct response came from the rev HoS, who I knew was turned because of a prior interaction with the HoP and HoS together. [Common] Jack Edwardson says, "Screw you, HoP" [Common] Jack Edwardson says, "You are not legitimately in command here" [Common]Poslan Kur'yer-Isra exclaims, "THAT IS THE ERT, NOT JAWDAT!" <--- Rev HoS Here are the full text of my ahelps post-round: PM to-Staff : I kind of have an issue with how that ERT was managed. I was telling people that the comms traffic of saying the ERT was murdering people was wrong. I went to the bar, three people were there, one was severely hurt so I took them to cargo to treat them. We then went to escape where an ERT opened it to space with 10+ people inside. Since the HoP was saying that the ERT was murdering people I thought it was a lie. Also, the Announcement message about not boarding had the HoP's signature, so I figured that too was a lie. PM to-Staff: If you are going to give an order as ERT commander, have it have your signature, not the signature of the head of a revolution. PM to-Staff: Do you have a response to this? Your adminhelp will be tended by TheDocOct. Please allow the staff member a minute or two to write up a response. Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: uhhhhhhhh Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: Not really sure how to, no. PM to TheDocOct: Garn said he was in charge of the ERT, and I believe that ERT was improperly led. PM to TheDocOct: Did you receive my other two messages? Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: Yes. Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: He was also the -only- ERT. Publishing an announcement himself would have required him to abandon the e-shuttle, allowing potentially hostile forces to board the Odin, and go to the nearest C&C computer (a Head's office) in order to do so. PM to TheDocOct: Well, if he wants it taken seriously, he shouldn't sign it as a criminal. PM to TheDocOct: I didn't believe that we would die because a rev head made the announcement and he had lied all shift to try to scare people away from legit leadership. PM to TheDocOct: He went as a lone gun and killed a bunch of people for no reason. PM to TheDocOct: I mean, Garn is seeing all this. Why isn't he responding? Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: The issue regarding the e-shuttle being off-limits was announced over both general and security radios multiple times by him, in addition to the, admittedly improperly signed, announcements. --- I dispute that he gave ample warning. While I would suggest in the PM exchange that I must have missed it, it turns out that I wasn't mistaken. There was not ample warning provided via general comms by Baer. I saved the entire log and searched for the ERT leader's name. It came up only once in an announcement (the above announcement directing crew to the bar/medical) and only three times in common radio (I blacked out on the emergency shuttle prior to departing). This was only immediately prior to opening fire on escape, and then venting escape to vacuum. I would estimate that there was maybe 60 seconds between Baer making his first warning over common comms (not counting the announcement signed by the HoP) and firing a shot (there was about 10 or so people in escape at this time), and deconstructing the bulkhead to space about 30 seconds after that. --- PM to TheDocOct: It was too confusing, and I don't remember the comms traffic. A lot was happening, I was dealing with a wounded crew member, looking for two others, talking to the AI via PDA. I didn't pay attention to some of it PM to TheDocOct: Also, did he ever even get to the bar to check people? Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: It's against policy to argue about actions via adminhelp. If you'd like to address him directly, you can post a complaint, or talk to Aboshehab regarding the incident. PM to TheDocOct: what was the game ID of last round Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: bQQ-aKBv PM to TheDocOct: I want confirmation for my staff complaint. Is he talking with you but refusing to talk with me? I would appreciate if a staff member could review the internal back-and-forth. Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: Yes, because he is required to. I want to point out here that just because he wasn't communicating with me doesn't mean he wasn't communicating to me. He was providing information to the moderator and therefore responding to the adminhelp. The fact that he didn't personally message me is just a technicality and just came off as rude. PM to TheDocOct: Uh huh PM to TheDocOct: He received the first two ahelps and could have chosen to respond PM to TheDocOct: Okay, thank you Trial Moderator PM TheDocOct: Again. It's against policy to respond to complaints via adminhelp. That's not what ahelping is for. PM to TheDocOct: I wanted to know why he did what he did. It takes a lot of effort to litigate it and honestly I don't want to, but I will. PM to TheDocOct: Also, by the by, staff actions aren't arguable, but player actions are. And because the ERT was one person and a staff member, I am unable to have my complaint addressed. That's a conflict of interest that shouldn't happen. Trial Moderator PMTheDocOct: You can have it addressed. You can post a complaint, or PM Abo. Post-round, Garnascus noted that he killed people during the round as an ERT for not following his orders. OOC:Garnascus:i killed anyone who ignored my orders I tried to clarify whether the ERT was a death squad, and I wasn't the only one. (Selected OOC's) OOC:AlexPKeaton: I don't understand, was that a death squad at the end? OOC:Mogelix: was that a deathsquad at the end? OOC:AlexPKeaton: if it wasn't a deathsquad, what the hell was it doing? OOC:Garnascus:i killed anyone who ignored my orders This was the first time I discovered that a staff member was involved with the ERT. I wouldn't know until the PM exchange that Garn was the -only- member of the ERT OOC:AlexPKeaton: so that *was* a death squad OOC:AlexPKeaton: but was it a death squad? OOC:AlexPKeaton:but WAS IT A DEATHSQUAD?! OOC:Garnascus: it was not a death squad OOC:AlexPKeaton: that was bullshit then venting escape to space OOC:Garnascus: no it wasnt OOC:Garnascus: i gave orders to not board the emergency shuttle or you would be considered a threat OOC:Garnascus: and people boarded anyway OOC:AlexPKeaton: and plenty of people were screaming into comms that you were murdering people This claim was made several times in common that the ERT was hostile toward the crew, prior to the incident at escape. I do not know if any of this was true, some of this was said into comms by the HoP who, again, was sowing discord. I told crew members prior to going to escape that those reports must be wrong. Additional remarks: I have a several questions that I want to pose to Garnascus: -What was the motivation for an ERT to get directly involved in the round? Were you called by command? CCIA? Fax? AI message? How long after being requested did the ERT arrive? -Was there any discussion at a staff level about how the ERT would proceed, both before being dispatched and during? -Why do you think you made a better ERT by yourself than by a) leading a team of players who had died during the round or b) allowing them to assemble their own ERT? -More than once after the ERT arrived, people spoke into common comms stating that they heard the ERT was killing crew and that it was a death squad. Why didn't you try to counter these claims or clarify that innocents would be kept safe? -Why didn't you personally clarify the announcement message you wrote but was signed by the rev head HoP that warned us that we would be killed if we tried to escape and were not personally handpicked to do so? Do you think it was reasonable that crew knowing the HoP was a revhead would dismiss that? Do you think it is reasonable that the announcement only added to the confusion of who was in charge? -Why did you vent escape and the shuttle to space? The only warning I can tell in the logs that clearly comes from you happened within 60 seconds of you venting escape to space, and you were not visible to most of those crewmembers filing into escape. -In a round filled with conflicting orders, conflicting leadership and unknown allegiances, do you feel that your approach as the ERT was the right one? -Did you ever visit the bar or medical to clear non-command that assembled there? If you did, how much time did you provide between your announcement and visiting there? What arrangements, if any, did you provide people to safely escape? -As a player, I should be able to adminhelp an action I feel to be rulebreaking by another player. Because staff complaints are apparently not to be ahelped, and because the ERT consisted solely of you, I was unable to do so, and was forced to bring my complaint here. Do you feel that conflicts of interest like this should be avoided if at all possible? Do you think enough was done to prevent this sort of conflict in this particular case? -Do you feel that you were abusing your authority by discussing an ahelp with a moderator despite (apparently) not being permitted to participate in ahelps that involve your actions? -I feel that, for better or for worse, players expect to leave the station by shuttle every round. Did you really expect crew to obey your order to remain stationside, especially how that order was delivered (in the revhead HoP's name)? You did not personally make a secondary announcement or comms message (that I received, at least) until about 60 seconds prior to the shuttle arriving, and only then immediately prior to engaging the crew and depressurizing escape (and immediately after, the shuttle). tl;dr: Garnascus spawned as a lone-member ERT, depressurized escape and the shuttle following an announcement signed by a revhead saying those who attempted to escape would be killed (save those he "personally" cleared). My complaints are: Garnascus spawned as a lone-member ERT when he could have brought enough people to personally secure escape from weapons and allow crew to escape.In particular, as an admin he could have significantly added to the round by allowing dead players to return to the round as an ERT. I am confused why he didn't and elected to go in alone which I feel directly contributed to the murderbony actions at escape. He didn't personally clear up an authoritarian announcement signed by the revhead HoP saying those who attempted to escape would be killed unless cleared by him personally. He did not provide enough time from a personal warning over comms not to board the shuttle.He refused to communicate to my ahelps post round but discussed it internally with the trial mod who handled the complaint. I should be able to ahelp player behavior I believe to be rule-breaking, but because staff actions are not ahelpable, when a staff member makes potentially rule-breaking player behavior, that presents a conflict of interest. I don't feel that enough was done to prevent such a conflict from occurring here (e.g. having other players join the ERT, having another player lead the ERT, perhaps, with communication from CC).

This isn't a criticism of Richter but a suggestion about a direction you could take the character: I don't know a lot about ATLAS but did sit in on a lengthy discussion hosted by Richter recently in the bar. I get the impression Richter is the public face of ATLAS, and he's extremely good at spin, but is also opposed to some beliefs others might call "core tenets" of ATLAS. I think that the extremist wing of ATLAS wouldn't be so happy with some of the undercutting and diluting Sean does to the human supremacy part of the ATLAS agenda. I would expect those extremists to have it out publicly with Richter, or kidnap him, or some other intrigue. Admins should consider some sort of multi-day event arc involving ATLAS fighting out its internal policies/demons, and whether human supremacy ... or Sean Richter as head of ATLAS ... is done for. Some sort of party convention + mercs or something.

+1 this. My brother-in-law and sister are out there, living just outside of Vegas; she works in the city. They are thankfully okay. She works about 2 miles away from Mandalay Bay where the shooting occurred.

I'm for this, but only if doing so will have a chance to set the whole pack on fire, with a close to 100% chance if you put a lit cigarette back inside.

I really like this idea. It is realistic that there would be emergency hatches to move between floors in the event of issues. I like the ID lock too, though there should be a way to crowbar in severe emergencies - perhaps that would automatically trigger the fire alarm on both floors and alert security via comms in departmental areas (not so in maintenance)

Ah, so working as intended... Yes, my thoughts were that it could be abused by antagged heads to appoint themselves Acting Captain. But that will definitely set the table for some intrigue.

I forsee the following potential abuse of the system as follows in this example: -RD, HoS, HoP, CMO and CE aboard -HoP calls a vote to remove the HoS from their command -HoP, CMO & RD vote in favor, CE votes against (HoS does not participate in the vote) -Vote fails -HoP now calls a vote to appoint himself acting Captain -HoP, RD and CMO vote in favor, HoS and CE vote against -Vote carries, HoP now Acting Captain -Acting Captain now orders the removal of the HoS from command. His orders now must be carried out. Why should a single Captain-level decision require a unanimous vote but the ability to imbue in a single officer the ability to make unlimited Captain-level decisions require only a majority?