Player Complaint - Crozarius

[ComradeCorbyn]

BYOND Key: ComradeCorbyn
Game ID: N/A
Player Byond Key: Crozarius
Staff involved: Contacted Readthisnameplz (do not know the round admin)
Reason for complaint: It all started with an incident rounds ago, like a month or so. I'm unable to retrieve the game ID at this time, but practically, a person got food poisoning from the Kitchen by the only acting Chef Anya Orlova at the time, whom the audit was mainly fixated upon. Command requested me to audit the Service Kitchen, so I did. As part of me trying to interact more with the crew, I asked for a volunteer to assist me with my duties in that due regard and have an enjoyable time in an otherwise unenjoyable round thus far (to me, at least). When I began my audit, Crozarious's character entered the kitchen with Orlova and they both begun suspecting me of my duties.

It was around this time when a Security Officer was also called to the scene (mogelix) who promptly begun questioning my Agent and tried to stop the audit, which I proceeded to tell them that it was in my prerogative to perform an audit and restated the CCIA Notice of interfering with an investigation, just in case they tried anything. Yet, Crozarious decided to take it a step further and continue to argue with me and the officer at the time. After the round was over itself, Crozarius tried to argue in OOC about the topic but it eventually died down after the next round had begun. The issue has since remained dormant until Jackboot recently unveiled a suggestion to remove IAA. 

This is where my player complaint really is. Crozarius has repeatedly brought it up, a month after the incident itself which held no fundamental issues with the process itself. Each time, I attempt to defend myself yet still Crozarius just spins the story and tries to make Internal Affairs the boogeyman, as well as pointing a finger at myself. Crozarius has refused to solve this issue naturally without external intervention, and they even said that they blocked me for some reason. 

My main issue with this is the fact that Crozarius has yet time and time again painted Internal Affairs as some kind of paperwork boogeyman, who makes you do the absolute worst you can do in the name of "high-high roleplay" and as they put it, "pedantic realism." This especially is not helping the argument involving Jackboot's suggestion to remove Internal Affairs, and yet again makes the argument about it not nice to deal with, and at worst toxic (oooh). I
Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? I did not ahelp during the round, yet apparently, they did about me and it was classified as an IC Issue. This report itself is not about the IC interaction of what occurred, but rather what Crozarious has done since. 
Approximate Date/Time: (The date and time of the incident. Date is more important but both are helpful) Do not know the time of the round (roughly a month), but the date of the recent discord incident was 4/10/2019.

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EDIT: https://forums.aurorastation.org/topic/11716-merge-iaa-into-command-so-the-iaa-job-is-gone/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-112356

Edited April 11, 2019 by ComradeCorbyn

[Crozarius]

In that incident you refer to, my problem with your audit was that you were using a live crewmember as a subject to test for poison. Your character was knowingly feeding food suspected to be poisoned to a crewmember who later professed to not knowing that it was suspected of being poisoned. Your character also threatened mine with 'interfering with an ongoing investigation' when the officer showed up even though I never called them. Then later in the round we were forced by the HoP to wear gloves and aprons in the kitchen (despite not being provided with gloves) because you complained to the HoP about us. Every time I bring this up you deny these basic facts, and you seem to have no problem with lying by omission to a crewmember to feed them potentially posioned food.

[ComradeCorbyn]

7 minutes ago, Crozarius said:

In that incident you refer to, my problem with your audit was that you were using a live crewmember as a subject to test for poison. Your character was knowingly feeding food suspected to be poisoned to a crewmember who later professed to not knowing that it was suspected of being poisoned. Your character also threatened mine with 'interfering with an ongoing investigation' when the officer showed up even though I never called them. Then later in the round we were forced by the HoP to wear gloves and aprons in the kitchen (despite not being provided with gloves) because you complained to the HoP about us. Every time I bring this up you deny these basic facts, and you seem to have no problem with lying by omission to a crewmember to feed them potentially posioned food.

I admit that in hindsight, it could be feasible to see why I would not allow somebody to eat while the audit was occurring, but I knew the food being served to them was not poisoned and I was doing a physical inspection on the kitchen itself. Additionally, they volunteered and agreed to participate and eat while I was to audit, fully knowing the facts as the case was publicized on radio prior and I told them in person before arriving at the kitchen. 

As well, you state that I said that interfering in an ongoing investigation is frowned upon. I did say this to you and for that matter the officer in question and Anya Orlova as a warning for any further attempt. The officer said that he was summoned to the scene by somebody (whose name I did not receive), and I suspected it at the time to be either you or Orlova. I did not verbally say you would be punished and jailed for eternity for interfering, just repeating the statement made by the CCIA Notice (available to all and announced frequently.) 

You bring up the HoP's enactments on the Service Kitchen, yet you have not even read the paper before you throw out these OOC accusations out on Discord for the previous month. I stated in general that the health and safety of all crewmembers should be looked after and upon by Command, and to look diligently with the Chefs for any possible violations in health and safety procedures. I also find it ironic how you say that when you bring up these facts, I ignore them - yet whenever I try to on the Discord or other means of communications, you ignore me and try to move on from my inquiries about your claims towards all Internal Affairs Agents. 

EDIT: I think my reply focuses too much on the round itself when we should be examining the OOC behavior, not just the round's occurrences. 

Edited April 11, 2019 by ComradeCorbyn

[Crozarius]

I recall being told by you that the audit was for poison. Also how are we supposed to get access to the communications between you and the HoP? We're civillian chefs.

 

Anyway what is this even about. I've bren expressing the complaints that I have about IAA from the experiences that I've had from them. In fact this is kind of just vindicating me in my stance because you've basically made a player complaint against me for criticising IAA. What? 

[ComradeCorbyn]

Poison is a misleading term to use. I was looking for environmental factors that could have explained the health of the patient who had eaten the food poisoned meal. 

As well, the complaint is not about your right to speak about the topic - quite the opposite. Everybody deserves a say. However, you have completely ignored the opponents argument and done about it in a toxic, hostile (dickish) manner. 

[Crozarius]

It's not against the rules to block people on discord, and I did it because the last time we argued about this you just gaslighted me and dismissed what I had to say. I found you unpleasant so I blocked you. In this instance I was talking to other people and you inserted yourself into the discussion. You weren't my opponent in that discussion, and I didn't even see your argument.

 

I did make two references to you however, which was in reference to the IAA thread where I expressed that I didn't want to post in it because I didn't want to interact with you, and jackboot encouraged me to do it anyway despite my misgivings. 

[ComradeCorbyn]

I inserted myself because you were shit talking my character, as well as all IAA by the way you said most things, and insinuated that they were all doodoo heads because of one isolated incident which you made worse by twisting the story. 

The point isn’t you blocking me, as I don’t need to describe how that’s within your rights, but the fact that you take this on an OOC level on the discord and shit talk me and other players as seen in the images above.

[Crozarius]

These are the experiences with IAA that I've had, and I was expressing. If anyone is taking things to OOC it's you for making this vexatious report. In any casr I don't think any further constrictive discussion can come from this and I will await an admin review.

[Crozarius]

Actually, looking back I do see that I did reference you two other times, after someone asked who was doing the things I had described. I immediately thought of you because you're the only person whose character I can remember specifically, and then made more direct reference after that. I agree that it's poor form to reference you while I had you blocked, and I apologize for that. I'll make sure not to do that in the future, and I should have worded what I said more generally in those instances.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I encouraged Crozarius to post in the thread to describe his experiences with IAA. He did so, and within the post itself he provided criticism of the role that followed the theme of the thread. This complaint coming right after the thread looked like retaliation for the criticism, and Crozarius expressed frustration with that to me. That is the extent of my involvement in this matter.

[ComradeCorbyn]

The complaint itself was made prior to Crozarius’s involvement in the thread itself.

[Pratepresidenten]

Me and @HouseOfSynth will be taking this complaint.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

In my thread i have asserted that IAA are obstructionists and antagonists against crew, and go at length describing them as doodoo heads. In the situation as you describe it, you also fall into that catagory under my arguments. Ive said the same manner of criticisms as Crov but backed with data and in a professional tone. Why are you targetting Crov, who you were conducting this audit of and wish to make stop talking down about the IAA job, and not myself, who is lobbying for the entire jobs removal due to its negative impact on players?

Edited April 12, 2019 by Marlon Phoenix

[HouseOfSynth]

Hey there! Thanks for your patience while myself and Prate went through this complaint.

We've come to the conclusion that no rules were really broken here. We can't really force crewmembers to comply with IC investigations. @Crozarius could have been more tactful on the discord, but judging by his reply he seems to understand this. Other than that the rest of the issues outlined in this complaint appear to be more toward IC issues than OOC ones. Impeding an IAAs investigation falls more-so into IR territory.

On that note I'll leave this open for another 24 hours to before marking it as resolved.