The lack of consequences.

[LanceTheInvader]

What I mean is. There is war on the station? No worries! In 2 hours it will be wiped from history! Your character died? QUICK clone him and live without consequences! Everybody and their mom saw X being replaced by a clone and nobody seem to care about it.

There is a legit lack of consequences and that we want it or not it DOES affect the roleplay to a fundamental level. It does so a lot of people are compelled to do completely illogical thing that they wouldnt do if their character didnt have factual immortality.

While little can be done in the case of antags. (Because people would probably cry their heart out. Wich I can somewhat understand.) We could do something for cloning. Why is it so that NT would even bother cloning a cook who set himself on fire? Why would they bother? To me cloning should be something reserved to the elite and leading group on the station. Would make people actually act like they care so they dont do stupid shit like slamming themselves in the head with a crowbar because they got arrested for being drunk. Also, actually follow safety protocols. Another bonus is that it would create a feeling of being non-essential. Just a cog in the machine. A lot of great dynamic could come out of it when it comes to internal conflicts.

Just saying there is absolutely ZERO consequences for acting dumb. None, nada. And it does affect roleplaying a lot that we want it or not. I'd love to roleplay a situation where the stakes are high and my character is at risk. But there is none... Just like a prequel movie. You cant be arsed to care about the action scene as much because you know the hero survives since he is in the other movie.

[KingOfThePing]

It is still just a video game.

Edited September 15, 2019 by KingOfThePing

[BoryaTheSlayer]

NT would not clone a cook who set himself on fire. Suicide is auto-DNC.

[Xelnagahunter]

Cloning is an issue that has come up time and time and time and time and ti- Get it?

First is the fact that 99% of the time, an intentional suicide is DNC. The rare incident gets through though.  But really, why would we waste time bringing back someone who just killed themselves. Secondly, I've only seen cloning used rarely. I have only been cloned once personally (0/10 terrible experience where a psych beat my face in with his feet), I don't ever get to see it even when I used to play command staff. This isn't saying it can't be done liberally, because if the right players are on then it can be. Also, as was said, it's still a video game. If you find people with bad RP and the like due to a "lack of consequences" then ahelp that shit. I promise, nothing is going to change about cloning any time soon.

And not to nitpick, but what is being suggested here? You've not really offered any alternatives or suggestions to make things better, or asked people to respond with the topic of making some sort of change.

[LanceTheInvader]

1 hour ago, KingOfThePing said:

It is still just a video game.

And a movie is just a movie.

[LanceTheInvader]

1 hour ago, BoryaTheSlayer said:

NT would not clone a cook who set himself on fire. Suicide is auto-DNC.

I'm exagerrating here. But, people can do stuff that are arguably about the same level of dumb but less obvious.

[LanceTheInvader]

23 minutes ago, Xelnagahunter said:

Cloning is an issue that has come up time and time and time and time and ti- Get it?

First is the fact that 99% of the time, an intentional suicide is DNC. The rare incident gets through though.  But really, why would we waste time bringing back someone who just killed themselves. Secondly, I've only seen cloning used rarely. I have only been cloned once personally (0/10 terrible experience where a psych beat my face in with his feet), I don't ever get to see it even when I used to play command staff. This isn't saying it can't be done liberally, because if the right players are on then it can be. Also, as was said, it's still a video game. If you find people with bad RP and the like due to a "lack of consequences" then ahelp that shit. I promise, nothing is going to change about cloning any time soon.

And not to nitpick, but what is being suggested here? You've not really offered any alternatives or suggestions to make things better, or asked people to respond with the topic of making some sort of change.

Read again.

[Promanguy1223]

I’m just gonna say this. Sometimes I like to observe a lot, and see about getting that Split-Personality Role when people get cloned. But, no one ever gets cloned! It’s rare to be honest.

[BoryaTheSlayer]

3 hours ago, LanceTheInvader said:

I'm exagerrating here. But, people can do stuff that are arguably about the same level of dumb but less obvious.

Then I don't understand. Are you saying shitters will use cloning for what is essentially immortality so they have an excuse to do LRP things? That's a problem with people's behaviour, then, not the mechanic. A person who bashed their head in with a crowbar while drunk just to avoid arrest is not believable behaviour, and therefore a violation of the rules As other people have pointed out, it's not even that people get cloned during the round that often because noone plays psychiatrist.
Not to mention that if your character got cloned, it produces a dilemma of "Are you still you?", which can produce incredibly interesting RP. And people who actually care about RP give their characters some sort of mental trauma after being cloned(which makes a lot of sense if you get told that you got cloned).

[KingOfThePing]

Comparing movies and video games, you are about 20 years late for that. Your sentence also has zero substance. People play games to have fun. You can hardly force consequences onto people, let me tell you that as CCIA. There is also nothing that can ever be suggested that changes this. People themselves need to want change or accept consequences. This here is an endless and ultimately senseless discussion. 

Edited September 15, 2019 by KingOfThePing

[Scheveningen]

Thread doesn't really propose any specific solutions whatsoeverv (defeating the point of being in S&I subforum). Posting in ded thred.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

A setting where we live where we spawn at (a colony or DS9 situation) will give a lot of rp reason to fear consequences pf what happens to us in a round cuz we cant leave.

[Xelnagahunter]

10 hours ago, LanceTheInvader said:

Read again.

The only thing you've "suggested" is a vague statement of "It's for the elites." That gives me nothing. My character comes from a family of billionaires and is the unworthy son whom will not inherit the money. He works in medical as a resident because that's all the schooling he's ever gotten and it was only because he was forced to. He died one day. He was probably still cloned because his family still loves him in some fashion, even if it is sick and twisted, so they would front the money for that sort of insurance/procedure because he is part of the elite. Unless by this you mean command staff only, including reps and Odin staff. Again, this is a constantly argued thing that has gotten no where in the years since I first joined this server. (Although we did manage to remove genetics a long time ago.)