Mirk's Antag Ban appeal No. 2

[mirkoloio]

BYOND Key: mirkoloio

Total Ban Length: Permanent Antag Ban

Banning staff member's Key: Doomberg

Reason of Ban: Permanent Antag ban due to the Complaint on the Forums.

Reason for Appeal:

So, I've once again been Banned from Antag Roles due to the Complaint about my "monkey-eating-powergame" on the forums here. It stated that I've been orderin monkey cubes from Cargo, stung em with the transform sting and ate them to aqquire more points and thus more powers to annihilate the humies. Well, It's true I did it. It's mainly due to me sucking at the changeling mode. ((See what I did there? Sucking? changeling mode?)). Also a reason that lead to this ban might've been the one deathsting rampage I went on. However I think that some, not all Mind you, of those stings were justified. I was banned to learn to improve on playing antag jobs and also have ICly aquired minor antag roles while banned, with admin consent, to show or to try and show that I improved. I hope the admins see that I have improved, seeing that they have the final say on this. I would very much love this ban to be lifted completely or at least reduced to a ling-only ban.

[Frances]

Feel free to call me out on this if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the vague impression that you might not have completely understood the reason behind your ban? You explained your offenses as if you were pretty dismissive of them, and passingly mentioning you "might've" been banned for deathsting abuse frankly makes it seem like you have no comprehension of why you're no longer allowed in antag roles.

I haven't actually seen what went down, but it might be a good start if you began by owning up to what you did a little? Because going all "yeah I might've done this, whatever" doesn't inspire confidence that you won't engage in the same acts that got you banned again.

[Skull132]

That complaint is a piece of a larger issue. The thing with you antagging, is that you create situations where your judgement is called into question. That, on its own, is not necessarily bad. However, after doing so, even I've had difficulty deciphering your actions as any sort of antagonist to go towards creating meaningful conflict.

Let's look at three instances to further my point. First, the deathstinging. You're confined, and deduce that you cannot escape. And yet you still poke two sec officers to death without any benefit, to not even create chaos (as you are contained, ergo, there cannot be any chaos as a result of your actions).

Second example, nuke round. Nearing death in the medical bay, following a confrontation between your team and ERT, you detonate the bomb in your ruck. It schwaks your entire team. Surely you were aware that they'd be close by, so why hurt them so badly?

Third example, a cult round. Low population, you're the QM. Within a few minutes, you show up in medical, armed to the teeth with lasers and shotguns. Foregoing any effort to create something interesting, you just cult everyone with your now armed friends.

All of the situations listed above hint at a lack of judgement necessary to play an empowered role. To me, and to other staff.

[mirkoloio]

To that one nuke round. I did not know my teammates were nearby. I really didn't. I triggered the bomb to end my chars already ended life and grab some ERTs with me.

To that one cult round. Our efforts to enslave the people in the name of Nar'sie were quickly struck down by Virus causing us to pass out and be unable to use our hands.

And the deathstinging is what drove the CSI mad, made him get me out of the brig and try to space me. Wich too failed as I stung him.

[Tainavaa]

To add on to Skull's point, there was a round I was playing an android. I was in the cargo bay lobby with someone sitting on a chair, I don't remember who. Out of nowhere Jamison walks up to me without a word, opens the chassis and hacks me. Right in front of the other person in the room. The thing about it was, I was reading things on the chat log at the time and had my hands off the keyboard. I saw Jamison walk in and assumed he was just going to tell me to do something, because I remember he requested something earlier so I took my eyes off of him to read the chat log and wait for him to tell me to do something. Then I saw "Hack attempt" and realized what he was doing. By the time I was actually able to move out of the way, I was already hacked and had to listen to him. I obeyed my laws and did what I could to help him, but that got me pretty heated.

There was no roleplay, no talking, not even any hint. I didn't even expect him to because why would a quartermaster open an android's chassis and hack it RIGHT IN FRONT OF SOMEONE ELSE? She wasn't even a traitor, I know that because he threatened her right after I was hacked. That was ridiculous, and from how I see it done with the intent "to win".

[mirkoloio]

Well, Tainavaa. This was well before my first antag ban. If it had bothered you back then you should have brought it up then, no?

Not meaning to be rude or something. But I don't think what you pointed out here counts in this appeal.

[Valkrae]

You were banned because of the poor judgment you make in antagonist roles. You appear to have shown that you dismiss the ban reason completely, and believe that you were in the right in the situations that have been brought up as evidence. Until you can actually show that you believe the situations that you were banned for were wrong, then there is no reason I see that you should be unbanned from antag roles.

[mirkoloio]

Hold up there. As far as I know I was banned for the monkey powergaming. I know I was wrong doing that. However I think I was /not entirley/ wrong in useing my Death-sting to escape security. Wich worked more or less like intended. It got me out.

[Valkrae]

I want you to explain the incident with the Security and the Deathsting. In great detail.

[mirkoloio]

Very well. So, After Security found out that I was eating those protohumans, they send officers after me. I deathstung one out of the blue with no valid reason, this is the first non-justified deathsting. Then, an IPC officer, Centurion I think stunned, cuffed and brought me to the brig. I stung them too, wich did not work because IPC. Now, I was brought to the security processing room. The warden wanted to implant me. I told them clearly to not implant me about one or two times. They proceeded regardless. I stung them, avoiding the Implant, imo this was justified sting number 1. Following this, two officers came in, one was already present. For Visualisation: Officer 1 is inside. Officer 2 and Ana came and watched. Officer 1 was deathstinged by me for he has beaten me. Following that, the Officer 2 and Ana shot at me with carbines. I was killed but rejuved a bit later wich made them freak out. Especially the watching CSI. The officers shot me again to death and the CSI dragged me away to space me. I rejuved and stung him too, So imo we got 3 good stings and 2 bad ones there. I managed to escape, hid as monkey untill sec found me along with some scientists. Sec beat me and the scientists fed me a monkeycube wich made me explode and took me permanently out of the game.

Note that all persons I killed could have been cloned.

[Valkrae]

Then, an IPC officer, Centurion I think stunned, cuffed and brought me to the brig. I stung them too, wich did not work because IPC.

 

This is one of those situations where a simple stunsting would've sufficed. This deathsting was needless, even if nothing came of it.

 

Officer 1 was deathstinged by me for he has beaten me.

 

If you were in processing, You are already in the custody of Security, and should know better than to try and deathsting out of this. There was no point to deathsting this player either. You were still detained and killed.

 

The officers shot me again to death and the CSI dragged me away to space me. I rejuved and stung him too.

 

Another situation where a simple stun sting would've worked. You could've stunned him, stolen his identity, and ran off to have some more RP, whereas he would've be removed from the round.

 

Note that all persons I killed could have been cloned.

 

This should not /ever/ be a fallback point for a ban appeal.

All in all, I don't think you've fully understood why you were banned from antagonistic rules, and continue to argue points about your behavior that I cannot seem to understand. If you can admit that your decisions were wrong, and show us improvement in antagonistic roles, then I might be in favor of your unban.

[mirkoloio]

Well, A stun sting was not available at that time. I had blind, death and transform sting. Note that I was straightjacketet. So, It would have been a hard game absorbing them in time.

[Tainavaa]

Well, Tainavaa. This was well before my first antag ban. If it had bothered you back then you should have brought it up then, no?

Not meaning to be rude or something. But I don't think what you pointed out here counts in this appeal.

 

It didn't happen very long ago.

Either way, it's a point in support of Skull's along the lines of you not being able to handle it properly. Whether I should have brought it up back then or not is irrelevant. It's still a valid point and I think should be added to the thread for admins/mods to consider when making their decision.

[Rechkalov]

There's the point that everybody's referring to, but nobody seems to have explicitly expressed in this thread - so just for the sake of recapitulation (and perhaps, hopefully, clearing things up);

The thing with antags is, it's not just about making sense ICly.

The moment you play an antagonist, you take upon yourself the responsibility to make the round entertaining. You're have incredible power to shift the round's course, and at that point you should do your best to not only roleplay yourself in a believable manner, but also in such a manner as to include as many people in 'your' game as possible and provide them with entertainment.

To make a connection with your deathsting spree - while you are rationing in a manner that can be acceptable from purely 'ling perspective, the fact remains that you repeatedly put/tried to put people out of the game in a situation where it was not only unnecessary, but also pretty much pointless.

[incognitojesus]

Then, an IPC officer, Centurion I think stunned, cuffed and brought me to the brig. I stung them too, wich did not work because IPC.

If I'm correct, then the stun did work.

I remember that was the event that brought the bug where IPCs were affected by stings in the first place.

[mirkoloio]

Well. it seems we are somewhat somehow getting no where if we keep argueing about the stuff I did wrong. I admit I fucked up majorly in quite some areas, yes. As requested in my first post I'd be OK if the antag ban would be lowered to a ling-only ban. It would prevent me from fucking up as ling. I think that'd be a realistic thing to do because I see my appeal really close to being declined here.

Yes, this is the last, desperate try to avoid it from being declined. However, I think I got no influence on it. Admins, Do your thing!

[Rechkalov]

Well. it seems we are somewhat somehow getting no where if we keep argueing about the stuff I did wrong. I admit I fucked up majorly in quite some areas, yes. As requested in my first post I'd be OK if the antag ban would be lowered to a ling-only ban. It would prevent me from fucking up as ling. I think that'd be a realistic thing to do because I see my appeal really close to being declined here.

Yes, this is the last, desperate try to avoid it from being declined. However, I think I got no influence on it. Admins, Do your thing!

 

This is not really for me to discuss, but... I'm gonna do it anyhow!

As I have tried to point out, the reason for the ban appearing appropriate for all antagonist roles and not just for changeling would seem to be that you remain unaware of your responsibility as an antagonist to provide entertaintment for the 'regular' players, rather than rek' them and win the round. Why I keep repeating this - I believe that the moment you fully comprehend this, you will be able to have your bans lifted and do your 'job' properly this time... or, you may realize that instead of providing fun, you'd much rather have fun, and won't long for antag roles no more.

Howg. I'm done.

[SgtSammac]

That. and the fact there isn't such a thing as a ling only ban as far as I am aware its either All Antags, or No Antags. (Although I think I saw Vamp Only Bans so who knows, I could very likely be wrong.)

[Guest]

Bans can be applied to individual antag types.

[SgtSammac]

Bans can be applied to individual antag types.

I stand corrected.

[Skull132]

Appeal denied. Even with adjustment and clarification provided in the thread, I am not seeing Mirkoloio hit the point.