Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) We have a total of 93 chemicals on our Guide to Chemistry page. This includes base chemicals, what they react into, etc. Regular doctors would only really be expected to learn the 71 that have medicinal uses, or to recognize them as poisons within the body. This is not inherently bad. Our chemistry system is very complex. However, as a med player you have to memorize all this medication by name, what its used for, their overdose limits, how they interact with one another (if you put more than 1 in a patient will they react inside the patient and form a whole NEW chemical?), on top of your other memorization needed for non-chem related treatments. There is a lot going on with our chemistry system and how much our doctors rely on them. Because of that we should have the system be as accessible as we can, striking a balance between accessibility and complexity so that as many people as possible can get a grasp on the system without it being too gamey and simple. Synergy with Other Servers More often than not servers tend to use the same basic chemicals or chemistry framework and add their own custom chemicals to the mix. Inaprovaline, dermaline, kelotane, bicardine, and dexalin are staples across most SS13 servers. This means that these medicines are immediately accessible to any at least semi-recent SS13 player; they look at the names and know what they are for and what they are used for. This is an advantage in our favor. However, we have lost this synergy with what was once Inaprovaline. Even players that didn't understand what it was took it at face value to stabilize patients. This has been lost with norepinephrine; there's no similar chemical to my knowledge that is in the ss13 chemistry zeitgeist. Players have to re-learn this new chemical specific to Aurora when it should be one of the base chems that everyone immediately understands. That is why norepinephrine should be renamed back to inaprovaline. Atropine needs to have its effects swapped with Tricordazine. Atropine is an inferior Tricord but you need Tricord to make Atropine. A more advanced medicine should have more powerful abilities. This will also keep Tricord, which is typically known as a powerful medicine, consistent with that theme. Adipemcina is incredibly niche as it only fixes damage to the heart, which is an inferior version of peridoxin. It should be removed. Seems like a trap for chemists to waste time on. Calomel should be renamed dylotrene. This will encourage an association with dylovene, of which this is a superior version of. Deltamivir should be renamed Viralivir. Yes, the name seems redundant, but this is an important way for someone to immediately understand that "Oh, it's an anti-viral!". 'vir' in common parlance isn't known to be at the end of anti-viral medications. Thetamycin should be renamed Infexicillin. This, like Viralvir, immediately allows an understanding that it is to combat infected wounds. Diphenhydramine is just cough syrup. It's the same as calling salt sodium chloride. It has also no listed benefits or drawbacks compared to our cough syrup. I don't really know what to do with it. Seems redundant but I don't have enough info on it.' Spoiler "Actually dude it's cough syrup." With these changes we will see a better grasp of our chemistry systems in these related areas by new players and vets alike. Make these changes NOW. Edited January 22, 2020 by Marlon Phoenix
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) I already received seventeen death threats and anthrax in the mail for Viralivir. So let's crowdsource a name that includes 'Viral' or 'Virol' in it. Or something intuitive for a broad spectrum antiviral. Edited January 22, 2020 by Marlon Phoenix
Peppermint Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 It's really not that hard to pick up and learn what the medications do, especially when most of them are niche and aren't standard use. Likewise, I'm not sure how renaming multiple meds is helpful as opposed to confusing when they're all well-established. There's a skill involved in knowing what does what and part of what makes up the medical role. Not a fan.
VVipEdout Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 Please, no. Chemical names are absurdly easy to learn and literally anyone with access to a chemmaster (i.e. the chemist, CMO, scientist, lab assistants) can hit 'Analyse' for a brief description of what a substance is and its effects. Imitating other servers is not desirable in the slightest in any form; Bay holdovers got us Vox, old med was a holdover, etc. One doesn't have to be a qualified professional to learn a few names. That, and it'd sincerely be a joke if servers with a lower RP requirement than us had a more believable chemistry framework. Imagine a HRP server having 'Viralivir' and 'Infexicilin'. Literally space drugs and spaceacilin tier.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, ChloralCocktails said: Chemical names are absurdly easy to learn For you.
Scheveningen Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 Norepinephrine is easy to learn and understand. It's essentially a stabilizer and its other name is well known as noradrenalin. Inaprovaline is a Star Trek reference. The more we distance ourselves from said references, the better, imo. Atropine is 25% more effective than tricordrazine when injected into a critical patient. It's amazing to give to EMTs. Adipemcina is cheaper than peridaxon. It is budget heart treatment on demand. Peridaxon can't always be made in surplus amounts. Calomel is a synthesized dialysis chemical. It should not be confused with dylovene because calomel can also poison, especially since calomel has an overdose limit that has very nasty effects. Deltamivir and Thetamycin shouldn't be changed and we shouldn't do redundant changes. Renaming a chemical to an existing IRL medicine brand name is a bad idea.
Aticius Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 As a recent expat to Aurora; Please, fuck, rename the antivirals. I still dont know what the fuck they mean.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) Just now, Aticius said: As a recent expat to Aurora; Please, fuck, rename the antivirals. I still dont know what the fuck they mean. I feel validated by this reply. This is exactly what I am wanting to address. While my name for the antiviral is not ideal, and I would like to see a superior version, the intent behind the changes remain. Edited January 22, 2020 by Marlon Phoenix
N8-Toe Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 as a bonifida medical main, I can say easily I don't think this is an issue. we still have "core" chems. and most people on their belt carry the same drugs they did before, now with norepinephrine swapped with inaprovoline. and those chems will carry you through 9/10 scenarios easy. the learning curve has not changed, there has just been a bump in needing refamiliarization. I have been playing medical for years and I don't know what every drug does off the top of my head, and I do just fine. yeah, the antibiotic/viral took some getting used to. but I got used to it. I will also parrot what others have said in that naming a drug after an IRL over the counter drug is bad. and having stuff like "Infexicillin" just doesn't feel right
Doxxmedearly Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 10 hours ago, Marlon Phoenix said: Adipemcina is incredibly niche as it only fixes damage to the heart, which is an inferior version of peridoxin. It should be removed. Seems like a trap for chemists to waste time on. Seems like it, but isn't. Peridaxon is a very expensive medication to produce, with low healing amounts and a very small overdose threshold. It's the tricordrazine of organ repair. Peri is great for broad-spectrum repair or small damages. If anything we need MORE organ-specific medications to reduce the reliance on peridaxon. 10 hours ago, Marlon Phoenix said: Calomel should be renamed dylotrene. This will encourage an association with dylovene, of which this is a superior version of. This is entirely incorrect information. 10 hours ago, Marlon Phoenix said: Diphenhydramine is just cough syrup. It's the same as calling salt sodium chloride. It has also no listed benefits or drawbacks compared to our cough syrup. I don't really know what to do with it. Seems redundant but I don't have enough info on it.' Yeah this would probably be fine. All in all I have to agree with others in that I don't think the medication system is inaccessible. Medical staff are happy to teach people and you really only need to know a handful of them to be an effective doctor or nurse. A few renames and removal of a couple medications doesn't really provide much more accessibility, and frankly I have to agree that "Infexicillin" is pretty memey. 10 hours ago, Marlon Phoenix said: Make these changes NOW. Spoiler
MoondancerPony Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 On 21/01/2020 at 20:58, Marlon Phoenix said: Deltamivir should be renamed Viralivir. Yes, the name seems redundant, but this is an important way for someone to immediately understand that "Oh, it's an anti-viral!". 'vir' in common parlance isn't known to be at the end of anti-viral medications. It's named after Oseltamivir, brand name Tamiflu, while still being its own thing. This way it's clearly not an IRL drug and people won't get linked to the wikipedia page for it or whatever, while also not being a silly Star Trek reference. On 21/01/2020 at 20:58, Marlon Phoenix said: Thetamycin should be renamed Infexicillin. This, like Viralvir, immediately allows an understanding that it is to combat infected wounds. -mycin is a very common suffix for antibiotics. If it really, really needs to be made more obvious, most people know Penicillin, so I could also see using Thetacillin; however, Thetamycin is rather familiar to most of the playerbase as-is, and it's also named to be intentionally similar to vancomycin. On 21/01/2020 at 20:58, Marlon Phoenix said: Diphenhydramine is just cough syrup. It's the same as calling salt sodium chloride. It has also no listed benefits or drawbacks compared to our cough syrup. I don't really know what to do with it. Seems redundant but I don't have enough info on it.' Literally all of this is wrong. Diphenhydramine is an antihistamine. It prevents sneezing. It can cause drowsiness (I forget if I coded that in) like cough syrup. You may know it as Benadryl. Cough syrup is cough syrup, specifically I believe it was based off of codeine or dextromethorphan. It prevents coughing. It can cause drowsiness. These are entirely different chemicals. Let me give you a list of benefits and drawbacks for each: Diphenhydramine: Pros: Treats sneezing Cons: Does not treat coughing Does not treat fevers May(?) cause drowsiness Cough syrup Pros: Treats coughing Cons: Does not treat fevers Does not treat sneezing May cause drowsiness Overall, I am staunchly against all of these, as stated before. It feels condescending to our players to rename things to "infexicillin" and "viralivir". Besides, it's not like oxycodone treats oxygen damage. It'd be setting people up for a false precedent. I will, however, refrain from putting an official vote for dismissal, as I coded most of the things you are suggesting changing/removing.
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