Revert species specific insulated gloves

[Snoopy11]

Good afternoon my fellow Aurorians,

 

Something that I've come to be bitten by a few times recently, and in the past, is species insulated gloves.  I believe they are more detrimental to antagonistic play than they are helpful.

 

To give you a few examples:

Raiders start with a set of insulated gloves, if the other members of the team aren't competent in hacking doors, but you are; you cannot hack doors because you will get shocked due to the lack of them.

If you're an on station antag, and you'd like to touch live wires in some meaningful way, unless you break into engineering and grab a set, you cannot.  Despite these being a trash/maintenance spawn.

 

Unfortunately they are restrictive, and best given some kind of modification rework, or we go back to the way they were with 'snipping' the tips.

 

Thoughts and ideas?

Edited March 7, 2021 by Snoopy11

[VeteranGary]

The issues I've notice with snipping the gloves is that it effectively ruins the gloves. Insulated gloves won't insulate, black gloves won't work with removing bulbs, and they will all leave fingerprints, so if you snip nitrile or latex, you are better off just throwing them away. It'd be interesting to see some sort of refit system in place, though it doesn't sound very viable. Guess you could make it so washing machines could refit them, this is the f u t u r e, afterall.

[Snoopy11]

7 minutes ago, VeteranGary said:

The issues I've notice with snipping the gloves is that it effectively ruins the gloves. Insulated gloves won't insulate, black gloves won't work with removing bulbs, and they will all leave fingerprints, so if you snip nitrile or latex, you are better off just throwing them away. It'd be interesting to see some sort of refit system in place, though it doesn't sound very viable. Guess you could make it so washing machines could refit them, this is the f u t u r e, afterall.

Yeah when species insulateds were brought this was also implemented.  Snipped gloves are useless after.  Before you'd snip them and they'd allow other species to wear the gloves, and they'd work for their intended purpose.  

[Butterrobber202]

Off-station antags really should start with all brands of insulated, or some kind of unique antag-only one size fits all set.

[canon35]

I'm in support of this. The restriction feels arbitrary (Skrell also have different hands but seemingly don't require unique gloves), and a one size fits all gets rid of the issues of unathi or tajara antags not being able to use whatever insulateds they can find for free. 

[Carver]

I'm not really sure how to feel about this, they don't actually look any visibly different in comparison to things like toeless jackboots so I can understand why they don't have much appeal, but I'd rather antagonists get a wider selection at roundstart than remove these species downsides.

[Snoopy11]

They're just species restricted gloves sadly.  I had a ling round yesterday as an assistant Taj, but despite finding two sets of insulated gloves, and a coin to buy a set, none of them were immediately usable by myself, or any Unathi; not sure about Vaurca/Dionae.

I can understand why it's in place, but I figure if people intend on using gloves they'd dull their claws down to prevent ripping; but then hey that's something that'd have to be implemented as well.  

 

Bit of a heck over all.

[Cnaym]

4 hours ago, Snoopy11 said:

not sure about Vaurca/Dionae.

Both are the peak of suffering as antag. You do not need gloves but in return you can never wear gloves. Sounds harmless enough until you realize that both have the same fingerprints as humans ? 

All for removing the idea of taj/nathi gloves. Any sane person would just poke their claws through the fingertips and not touch the lifewire with exposed skin.

[Carver]

10 hours ago, Cnaym said:

Both are the peak of suffering as antag. You do not need gloves but in return you can never wear gloves. Sounds harmless enough until you realize that both have the same fingerprints as humans ? 

Perhaps a little off-topic, but a damp rag is capable of wiping prints from what I recall. You needn't suffer.

[DatSamTho]

On 09/03/2021 at 02:34, Cnaym said:

Both are the peak of suffering as antag. You do not need gloves but in return you can never wear gloves. Sounds harmless enough until you realize that both have the same fingerprints as humans ? 

Vaurca can actually wear gloves, but they need to cut the fingertips off

[Cnaym]

Yeah am aware but it's going to pop a million red flags seeing a vaurca with insulated gloves lmao.

What I usually do is grab an entire Eva suit and put a nice cloak or such over it.