Faris Posted March 17, 2021 Posted March 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Arrow768 said: The qualifications of the detective and the FT were the same before this change. The only difference was the cadetship. (So they were directly copied over, with the only change to the qualifications being the optional cadetship) I would like to recommend the following alteration to the wiki then for the qualifications. Current: At least 25 years of age, applicable Criminal Forensics degree or 7 years experience in Criminal Forensics/Investigation. Optionally: Full Cadetship to perform arrests. New: At least 25 years of age, applicable Criminal Forensics/Investigation degree or 7 years experience in Criminal Forensics/Investigation. Optionally: Full Cadetship to perform arrests. Just adding that extra word puts both career paths on equal grounds. Additionally, a brief blurb somewhere in the page that runs like this. “If your character is unable to perform autopsies, you can still contact other qualified people from other departments to help the investigation.”
Cnaym Posted March 17, 2021 Posted March 17, 2021 58 minutes ago, Aboshedab said: Additionally, a brief blurb somewhere in the page that runs like this. “If your character is unable to perform autopsies, you can still contact other qualified people from other departments to help the investigation.” Decided to add Quote If your character is unable to perform autopsies, you can still contact other qualified people to help the investigation or perform it together. It's a great idea for roleplay purposes and people should never feel forced to do it on their own. Thanks for the suggestion! Going to wait for the admin decisions on the qualification stuff, ping me in the wiki channel or here when that is to be changed ?
N8-Toe Posted March 17, 2021 Posted March 17, 2021 The thing on needing a cadet ship in records feels like a new player trap to me. Something that could easily be glossed over that could get someone in hotwater with them confused as to why. On the arrest thing. I also think it should be as simple as possible, something along the lines of "Investigators should not be making arrests or using their weapon under normal circumstances, they should only do so to stop a violent crime they are witness to, or under extreme circumstances" on Autopsy, I like the blurb, however my radical opinion is I think medical should do autopsies to get that sweet sweet cross department cooperation
TrainTN Posted March 17, 2021 Posted March 17, 2021 I agree with N8's opinions above. Investigators should not be running around pretending to be security officers, but they should have the power to stop a crime they are adjacent to and detain offenders they encounter so a security officer can make a proper arrest. Only in severe emergencies like station-wide disasters and hostile invasions, and other causes of Code Red, should they be allowed to volunteer to grab guns and armor and help deal with the problem. And even then, they should probably be waiting in the back, handling smaller issues or assisting indirectly. Personally I like the idea of investigators serving as protection detail for station VIPs in times of crisis, for example. That's what I intend to do when playing as one, if permitted. As for autopsies, I think the ideal is prioritizing Medbay to perform them with investigators assisting. because that does sound like fun roleplay potential and gives the docs something to do if they're bored. But if an investigator has training/education in forensic pathology, there is no reason to prevent them from performing autopsies themselves in the provided facilities within the Brig. Maybe this is best left to player discretion.
Susan Posted March 17, 2021 Author Posted March 17, 2021 Medical has no business touching autopsies; a medical doctor is not trained to perform a paralegal autopsy and they should only be permitted to do them under specific circumstances, IE no qualified investigative personnel aboard. A surgeon does not get the prereqs required for a forensic autopsy. They are not accredited by a board of pathology, only a board of medicine, and the only form of autopsy hospital personnel are trained to do is a clinical autopsy, wherein the objective is to find out why a hospital patient died of a medical issue, ie a disease.
TrainTN Posted March 17, 2021 Posted March 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, Susan said: Medical has no business touching autopsies; a medical doctor is not trained to perform a paralegal autopsy and they should only be permitted to do them under specific circumstances, IE no qualified investigative personnel aboard. A surgeon does not get the prereqs required for a forensic autopsy. They are not accredited by a board of pathology, only a board of medicine, and the only form of autopsy hospital personnel are trained to do is a clinical autopsy, wherein the objective is to find out why a hospital patient died of a medical issue, ie a disease. Nobody dies of a disease on the Aurora, and medical scanners can diagnose the damage well enough on their own, so you may as well remove the autopsy section of Medical's morgue if they aren't allowed to use it.
Doc Posted March 17, 2021 Posted March 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, Susan said: Medical has no business touching autopsies; a medical doctor is not trained to perform a paralegal autopsy and they should only be permitted to do them under specific circumstances, IE no qualified investigative personnel aboard. One surgeon can do literally any medical procedure that can possibly be done, up to and including transplanting every single organ in the body, reparative brain surgery, and installation of cybernetic replacements of every single organ and limb besides the brain (the only cybernetic operation strictly restricted to roboticists). Conducting an autospy is hardly much of an additional stretch of ability, especially considering a "forensic" and "clinical" autospy are functionally the same on-server. 47 minutes ago, Susan said: A surgeon does not get the prereqs required for a forensic autopsy. They are not accredited by a board of pathology, only a board of medicine, and the only form of autopsy hospital personnel are trained to do is a clinical autopsy, wherein the objective is to find out why a hospital patient died of a medical issue, ie a disease. This may be true currently in real life, but fortunately the real world's requirements, accreditation systems, and bureaucracies don't extend their reach into our 2D spaceman RP platform and no board of medicine is going send Aurorastation a court order for failing to accurately represent their policies. It'd be good promotion of cross-departmental interaction, and that's all that matters imo.
Faye <3 Posted March 18, 2021 Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) I've had good fun on my CMO partnering up security investigators and surgeons to perform autopsies. There is no difference between a "security autopsy" and a "medical autopsy". It gives both departments something to do. If security investigators want to be a stick in the mud and prevent medical from interacting with the corpse at all then they should be allowed to do that, but medical should be able to provide autopsies with or without investigator presence. Edited March 18, 2021 by Faye <3
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