Marlon P. Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 Hello, some of the autakh augments seem to have a lopsided cost/benefit ratio. The adrenal leg implants give you a fast speed, but it seems like you can go the same distance as a regular unathi sprint? In any case, if you overuse it then your pelvis shatters. I would like to suggest that rather than this, it drains all the nutrition out of you and gives hololoss pain.This still makes the autakh move very slow until they recover, and prevents further sprinting. And even with a potential oxycodone addled autakh the nutrition drain still limits the overall sprint. A broken pelvis is about a half hours worth of medical, and in a situation where you have to sprint so much you shatter your pelvis the station not have surgery available at all. seems extreme to break bones for a sprint. Thank you for reading this suggestion.
Desven Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 I've said it before, this implant is currently unusable because the moment you toggle speed you will just be dying in pain. I don't think it really needs to be better than normal Unathi sprint, but it should be more balanced than that.
Marlon P. Posted September 21, 2021 Author Posted September 21, 2021 If its just pain and not damage that shatters your bone i think it would probably be fine. Pain and hunger itself isn't the worst thing to trade for a burst of speed and distance.
Carver Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 Seems like a reasonable suggestion, given if something breaks a bone it ought to give a far more significant benefit than that.
Alberyk Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 The adrenal implants let you run without using any of your stamina, that is what it does.
Marlon P. Posted September 22, 2021 Author Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alberyk said: The adrenal implants let you run without using any of your stamina, that is what it does. Thank you! The cost of using the implant is still too high. Even for a sprint across 4 tiles my lower body is in severe pain and this pain is very long-lasting. Edited September 22, 2021 by Marlon P.
Desven Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 Yes, the bone breaking is too much, and you get pain anyways after you run out of stamina, so this is just a handicap (basically removing stamina and skipping to the pain part).
Marlon P. Posted September 22, 2021 Author Posted September 22, 2021 I just got out of a round where I was playing around with it. Periodically sprinting about 8 tiles and pausing for 5 minute intervals a few times kept me stuck with permanent lower body pain for an entire hour. Afterwords pushing it even further with periodic sprints of about 10 tiles with extended breaks kept me in a constant cycle of pain. I did not return to 100% health for the entire round, and this is not sprinting any more than a regular sinta. I'm finished poking around at the issue. Hope this gets resolved soon.
Boggle08 Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 I think the best way of making this piston implant relevant or useful is to have it so it alters the unathi sprint for something more conventional. Like if it were to trade a ton of speed for sustainability. Maybe even give it a nice metal foot stomping noise for flavor, since you're a metal man. Without penalties, the piston implant sounds like it is there more or less to give a flat benefit to running for those that select it. I would rather see something that makes people have to play differently, rather than play the same except more efficiently.
Zer0Winds Posted November 5, 2021 Posted November 5, 2021 I really don't think the suggestion has ever implied he wanted no penalty. I think its just stating that there's just no upside. Keep the penalty, give a better upside. The "upside" is sprinting permanently. The downside is intense pain the very second you sprint. And it is the very second you sprint. You can sprint a tile, and you'll be in pain. Sprint as long as a regular Unathi sprints? Your vision goes red, and you get intense pain. You sprint longer than a Unathi does for a mere moment, and what happens? Worse pain or fractured legs. Its not balanced in the slightest. I guess a solution might be... just tone back on the pain. Make it so actual extensive use is painful, like it was intended. As it stands, its a debuff more than anything. You get it to not sprint. Maybe like Boggle said, make you sprint slower, tone back on pain.
Boggle08 Posted November 5, 2021 Posted November 5, 2021 9 hours ago, Zer0Winds said: I guess a solution might be... just tone back on the pain. Make it so actual extensive use is painful, like it was intended. As it stands, its a debuff more than anything. You get it to not sprint. The piston implant is, in conception, an improvement or altercation of the existing sprint, rather than a sidegrade. You won't be playing unathi any differently from someone without the implant. If it becomes usable operating off this current design concept, it will either become something you should have no reason not to pick if you're able to, or it will become a 1:1 copy of the existing sprint that just depletes different shit. The current unathi sprint is already very powerful, and has appropriate tradeoffs for it. My suggestion is to make the piston implant take away the unathi sprint in favor of running like a human or a skrell. You cover much more distance consistently, but you're now working with a a top speed most of the other races can outrun. Harsh penalties such as food consumption, pain, or the pelvis snapping in half will not have to be considered, as the upsides and downsides are built into the design.
Marlon P. Posted November 5, 2021 Author Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Boggle08 said: The piston implant is, in conception, an improvement or altercation of the existing sprint, rather than a sidegrade. You won't be playing unathi any differently from someone without the implant. Using the sprint at all is a punishment. You cannot sprint the same distance as a unathi without penalty. You are penalized for using it. It is a direct downgrade. Running the same number lf tiles as a unathi gave me permanent pain. It shatters my pelvis if used any more. 3 minutes ago, Boggle08 said: If it becomes usable operating off this current design concept, it will either become something you should have no reason not to pick if you're able to, or it will become a 1:1 copy of the existing sprint that just depletes different shit. All sprints in our game are resource management mechanics. Having a different in resource used is fine. Draining nutrition still carries a very large penalty. There has to be some upgrade to existing sprinting or the implant is harmful, redundant, and better off removed to save UI space. The current grueling nature of autakh implants are a product of myself and the then-autakhs main writer seeking to compromise with critics about their existence, and in the process overcorrecting. 4 minutes ago, Boggle08 said: My suggestion is to make the piston implant take away the unathi sprint in favor of running like a human or a skrell. Unathi are ambush predators. When i set the sprint design philosophies it was meant to reinforce this playstyle.
Boggle08 Posted November 5, 2021 Posted November 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Marlon P. said: Using the sprint at all is a punishment. You cannot sprint the same distance as a unathi without penalty. You are penalized for using it. It is a direct downgrade. Running the same number lf tiles as a unathi gave me permanent pain. It shatters my pelvis if used any more. In conception. The implant is currently useless, but conceptually, it exists to improve what is already a solid mechanic. 8 minutes ago, Marlon P. said: All sprints in our game are resource management mechanics. Having a different in resource used is fine. Draining nutrition still carries a very large penalty. There has to be some upgrade to existing sprinting or the implant is harmful, redundant, and better off removed to save UI space. And I believe that the implant being an upgrade in and of itself is harmful, redundant, or better off removed to save UI space. You aren't changing up your playstyle besides managing a few extra resource bars, in exchange for being able to chungus your way out of certain situations more efficiently. 31 minutes ago, Marlon P. said: Unathi are ambush predators. When i set the sprint design philosophies it was meant to reinforce this playstyle. Unathi don't come with metal legs or bodies. The consistent output of what I'm suggesting with the implant changes will reflect such.
Marlon P. Posted November 5, 2021 Author Posted November 5, 2021 Ok, you convinced me human style sprinting would be a good alternative. Swapping the sprint style and using the right amount of resources. And no more hip snapping or permanent pain
Marlon P. Posted August 7, 2022 Author Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) This is still so awful. I'm playing again and had to rip all the implants out of my unathi. The only other things you take that do such harm to you is hard drugs. There's no way these people have a functional society with how their implants debilitate them. This needs to change pretty bad. Edited August 7, 2022 by Marlon P.
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