/!\ READ - STATE OF TAJARAN /!\

[Frances]

And ill give you the same damn challenge for safi. She doesn't go around asking for sex. Try and prove your fucking claim with logs (i know you cant cause i dont do that) or shut the fuck up.

Being accused (again) of just asking for sex and being overly agrasive is getting really old. Who do you think fance was directing the comment of turning pink and asking for sex at? Im just asking for logs or for them to quit bitching.

 

Zubari Akenzua says, "A ssssimple jab to the gut will bring sssomeone down with thissss."
Safiya Isra says, "She...not know what that is"
Jim Calhoun asks, "You've never heard of coitus?"
Jim Calhoun asks, "Sex?"
L.I.Q.I.U.D.F.O.X. states, "Most likely 19th or 18th century old."
Safiya Isra says, "Oh! yes!"
Safiya Isra says, "Ah...give herrr moment, we have sex laterrr~"

 

there. so what do we do now?

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Zubari Akenzua says, "A ssssimple jab to the gut will bring sssomeone down with thissss."
Safiya Isra says, "She...not know what that is"
Jim Calhoun asks, "You've never heard of coitus?"
Jim Calhoun asks, "Sex?"
L.I.Q.I.U.D.F.O.X. states, "Most likely 19th or 18th century old."
Safiya Isra says, "Oh! yes!"
Safiya Isra says, "Ah...give herrr moment, we have sex laterrr~"

 

EDIT:

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I have some more of these logs buried somewhere, but I lost them because I've got no interest in maintaining logs on these things because it's a waste of time that could be better spent on things that are fun and engaging. Life is meaningless and death is inevitable so why would I spend my time creating a dossier of furry flirtation on a social roleplaying game? There are better things to spend my time doing, like finding rare pepes.

If I really wanted to I could ask the necessary people and post an entire history of Safiya's attempts to get the D or the V, whether through explicit requests or 'teehee ;3' comments. I've gotten enough people mentioning the latest Safiya comments at me, on a semi-regular basis, but just saying what they've told me would be hearsay so I'm not including it, and moving on from this part of the conversation and not entertaining it again to keep the thread on track, while giving you a response to it so I'm not ignoring entire parts of your statements.

You are getting extremely defensive and publicly shaming you isn't really something I want to do because it will derail this thread. If you are insistent that extensive logs are given, I can start explicitly documenting your behavior and pressing for official staff action to be taken against you.

Instead of, you know, trying to have a dialogue and communication in threads like these so you understand the behavior that is giving the Tajaran playerbase a bad name and needs to be amended, and you can work out a way to play your character in a way that follows the lore and doesn't progress the bad reputation that the species is suffering under.

[the_furry]

And ill give you the same damn challenge for safi. She doesn't go around asking for sex. Try and prove your fucking claim with logs (i know you cant cause i dont do that) or shut the fuck up.

Being accused (again) of just asking for sex and being overly agrasive is getting really old. Who do you think fance was directing the comment of turning pink and asking for sex at? Im just asking for logs or for them to quit bitching.

 

Zubari Akenzua says, "A ssssimple jab to the gut will bring sssomeone down with thissss."
Safiya Isra says, "She...not know what that is"
Jim Calhoun asks, "You've never heard of coitus?"
Jim Calhoun asks, "Sex?"
L.I.Q.I.U.D.F.O.X. states, "Most likely 19th or 18th century old."
Safiya Isra says, "Oh! yes!"
Safiya Isra says, "Ah...give herrr moment, we have sex laterrr~"

 

there. so what do we do now?

you literally qouted a statement she made to her partner....thats like claiming nasir tries having sex with everyone cause he said sex to akea or who ever he's married too. Ethier way whats the bitching about? is it about who safi sleeps with or about how sassy and agressive the cats are? Up until now safis mates are rarly mentioned. Can i get logs of any one actually being agressive and sassy? Or are we gona derail it by bringing up safis flirtatiousness and tring to claim she just wants to have sex with everyone by making perverted comments to her friends.

[Frances]

There's two problems. Promiscuity, furpiles and general time-wasting to do "cute ;3" stuff is one. The other is "entitlement" over a fictional cat race. That can range from yes, getting super mad at people constantly when you're supposed to be marginalized (I can tell you what would happen if lore were enforced fairly for that. Your character would be fired.) to simply refusing to do your job or be a cunt to other races while pulling the race card. It also goes beyond that, though - I've seen OOC comments about "cat-kind being upset" and it's honestly a little ridiculous. There shouldn't be any need for bandwagoning from Tajaran players; Sue is rather considerate for the race, the lore writers involved in this issue have been rather intelligent and considerate, and the issue should be debated maturely and rationally. However, it isn't, and that contributes to the issue of entitlement.

Now, about the sex thing. I don't know how far you want people to dig, but I don't think providing a 20-page document of logs should be necessary. Something really important I want to convey is that the constant, flirtatious and overly-sexual behavior emanating specifically from Tajarans is a problem. Heck, there shouldn't be any need to prove much, since you're asking people to "stop accusing you of being sex-craved" and then making a passing comment that your character and another player's should have sex in the very same post.

You're a furry (at least your name would seem to indicate so). You should know what furry stereotypes are. You should also make an effort not to perpetuate them, or at the very least, if you're unable to, you should come to expect the kind of kneejerk reaction you're being met with here.

[Guest Menown]

And ill give you the same damn challenge for safi. She doesn't go around asking for sex. Try and prove your fucking claim with logs (i know you cant cause i dont do that) or shut the fuck up.

Being accused (again) of just asking for sex and being overly agrasive is getting really old. Who do you think fance was directing the comment of turning pink and asking for sex at? Im just asking for logs or for them to quit bitching.

 

Zubari Akenzua says, "A ssssimple jab to the gut will bring sssomeone down with thissss."
Safiya Isra says, "She...not know what that is"
Jim Calhoun asks, "You've never heard of coitus?"
Jim Calhoun asks, "Sex?"
L.I.Q.I.U.D.F.O.X. states, "Most likely 19th or 18th century old."
Safiya Isra says, "Oh! yes!"
Safiya Isra says, "Ah...give herrr moment, we have sex laterrr~"

 

there. so what do we do now?

you literally qouted a statement she made to her partner....thats like claiming nasir tries having sex with everyone cause he said sex to akea or who ever he's married too. Ethier way whats the bitching about? is it about who safi sleeps with or about how sassy and agressive the cats are? Up until now safis mates are rarly mentioned. Can i get logs of any one actually being agressive and sassy? Or are we gona derail it by bringing up safis flirtatiousness and tring to claim she just wants to have sex with everyone by making perverted comments to her friends.

 

What about the statements she's made about Mrychny's cute butt?

[Nogo3]

Where are these agressive tajara i keep hearing about? When was the last time a taj clawed someone over being called a cat? I keep hearing about how terribly agressive all the other tajs are but really ive yet to see one log of it actually happening.

 

As a passive observer, I've seen plenty of aggressiveness from Tajaran players with their characters and how it is they respond to open racism. I've seen people get flashed, clawed, beaten down, and fights break out in the middle of security. With the loser being the only one usually dragged off (Generally the Tajaran, cause claws are sharp!) to the brig. A major issue unfortunately isn't just that of the Tajaran players themselves though. I look around and you see that the racism that is supposedly permeating within the lore isn't shared among the normal players and what-not. Small racist expressions are more often or not cracked down on by other human players because they either like said Tajaran in question or just because they themselves aren't playing a racist character. It's just extremely one-sided in how it's dealt with and serves to only further produce this idea of aggression because it's extremely easy to get away with. "Attacked someone outright?" "Don't worry, they were being racist, put'm in the brig for me for slander, yeah?"

This is the bulk of what I see. While I'm not saying they're all extremely aggressive (Shout-out to Kanza, Oldschool Taj! Voyd ya big softie.), there's certainly a lack of any submissiveness going on and if anything it's racism, subtle or not, that gets completely dunked on.

If I see anything as far as logs go, I'll try to see what I can pull and start keeping an eye out for it. More often than not what I see isn't directly the Tajaran attacking someone, but someone like a human arrested and or attacking someone for insulting their friend. Which is good, and not breaking RP, but really can help cultivate that anti-aggressiveness that's not being looked for for Tajarans.

 

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Im gona go back to joking about this. Im so much more pleasant and its fun to joke. And lets face it, thats what this thread is, a joke.

 

Dismiss the thread and you're inevitably providing a stereotype of noncooperation and the same aggressiveness that's being presented. It's not a joke when you look at the argument at full and really try to get an idea of what it is exactly that both sides are trying to say. Just because you're not getting proof of what it is you're looking for doesn't mean there's not an argument to be made. You gotta start looking at all the 'other' evidence that's been piling up and the entire server's views on what exactly is going down. I'm sorry to say, but just by ignoring what this thread is saying, absolutely nothing can get solved about it because the players are doing the exact same thing the characters are doing: Pulling the card and refusing to work.

I hate to bring up the ideas of whitelist responsibility, because it's not something I believe, so I'm not going to. But there is a responsibility to at least acknowledge that this is the place where problems are being presented and where they need to be discussed, if only for the sake of the server's lore.

 

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Going to leave some space for whatever else I can think of, because it's just slipping my mind...

Something primarily to do with the whole forgetting the "This is a game" bit and personifying yourself as your character, and in the process taking everything not as an insult to your character but as an insult to you. Don't think that because 2D furballs are getting dunked on it means that we're trying to dunk on you. It's primarily the inner universe of the game that is making up the majority of the issues in how the Tajarans are acting and how their players are responding. If someone wants to hash out their Fursona, there's really another server for that.

I.E. if someone shit-talks Solaire to me, I shouldn't take that as a personal insult. But I do, because PRAISE THE SUN!

[TishinaStalker]

And ill give you the same damn challenge for safi. She doesn't go around asking for sex. Try and prove your fucking claim with logs (i know you cant cause i dont do that) or shut the fuck up.

Being accused (again) of just asking for sex and being overly agrasive is getting really old. Who do you think fance was directing the comment of turning pink and asking for sex at? Im just asking for logs or for them to quit bitching.

 

Zubari Akenzua says, "A ssssimple jab to the gut will bring sssomeone down with thissss."
Safiya Isra says, "She...not know what that is"
Jim Calhoun asks, "You've never heard of coitus?"
Jim Calhoun asks, "Sex?"
L.I.Q.I.U.D.F.O.X. states, "Most likely 19th or 18th century old."
Safiya Isra says, "Oh! yes!"
Safiya Isra says, "Ah...give herrr moment, we have sex laterrr~"

 

there. so what do we do now?

you literally qouted a statement she made to her partner....thats like claiming nasir tries having sex with everyone cause he said sex to akea or who ever he's married too. Ethier way whats the bitching about? is it about who safi sleeps with or about how sassy and agressive the cats are? Up until now safis mates are rarly mentioned. Can i get logs of any one actually being agressive and sassy? Or are we gona derail it by bringing up safis flirtatiousness and tring to claim she just wants to have sex with everyone by making perverted comments to her friends.

 

Actually, I know a situation that took place about two weeks ago because I witnessed it, wasn't the staff to handle it, but I don't have logs because I didn't think I'd need to to bring them up, and I did pay close attention to the ahelp convo. A Tajaran, playing as cargo tech, had the QM give them an order to get away from the cargo console, the Tajaran responded with death threats consisting of "I will eat your insides", a minor fight broke out between them, and the Tajaran clawed the QM to death so he could "eat his insides" according to the player's ahelp. Player was warned and their play as Tajaran was reported to the relevant lore staff.

[Voyd2000]

Actually, I know a situation that took place about two weeks ago because I witnessed it, wasn't the staff to handle it, but I don't have logs because I didn't think I'd need to to bring them up, and I did pay close attention to the ahelp convo. A Tajaran, playing as cargo tech, had the QM give them an order to get away from the cargo console, the Tajaran responded with death threats consisting of "I will eat your insides", a minor fight broke out between them, and the Tajaran clawed the QM to death so he could "eat his insides" according to the player's ahelp. Player was warned and their play as Tajaran was reported to the relevant lore staff.

 

Yea, This was my char, and said char had build up and a lore behind why it happened, The Tajara in question was Adama Al'Rafati, a long time abused and subjugated Tajara who worked as a an unpaid slave miner under the threat of pain and suffering if he failed to do his work, This build up was over the shift as I worked for about an hour gathering stuff only to have said QM start yelling about collecting sand for glass, This set the Tajara into a mode of fear and anger.

Adama asked if cargo could order some, they said they wanted to save points and not order glass, so over a 10 point order the QM thought he would yell at and degrade the miner for not digging dirt and instead asking if cargo can order some for 10 points, this cost the Tajara is job as a miner as the QM continued his slander and race hate remarks.

Adama went to order some glass after being fired and the QM and him got into a pissing match, they called each others bluff and the QM paid dearly, Adama got the snot beat out of him and by fluke won the fight and did exactly what he said would happen. essentially warning the player before hand that if they escalated to hitting, that it would not end well for them if Adama won the fight.

Said Tajara felt so bad for what he had done that he begged medbay not to save him, yelling out his crimes and asking to be locked away or left for dead, eventually going to the brig and sitting in lock up under his own choice (Due to open doors in the brig) as it seemed officers did not take his confession seriously or had other things to be dealing with at the time.

This was the first time in about 6 months of play that I have ever even raised a claw or fist to another player and I felt I had backstory, sufficient build up/escalation plus outright warning of deadly consequences. And in classic human style of not fearing pain or death they initiated the first blow on a Tajara they knew nothing about.

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play, Plus you also know nothing is said char and assume many things. I was booped by admins and explained my side of the story and why it happened. It also shows that despite your claim of paying close attention your assertion that the Tajara was a cargo tech is flat out wrong, He WAS a miner that got fired. Your claim of being a witness is flawed and inaccurate.

[Guest Menown]

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play, Plus you also know nothing is said char and assume many things. I was booped by admins and explained my side of the story and why it happened. It also shows that despite your claim of paying close attention your assertion that the Tajara was a cargo tech is flat out wrong, He WAS a miner that got fired. Your claim of being a witness is flawed and inaccurate.

 

Backstory or not, your character apparently attacked somebody over an argument. And now you're attacking Tish, despite the fact that you only proved why people view Tajara as savages.

If your only issue with this is Tish getting the job wrong (despite cargo tech and miner being in the same department) and him knowing nothing about your character or why you felt justified to kill somebody as a non-antag, then maybe you should take a step back and look at this in the big picture.

[Voyd2000]

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play, Plus you also know nothing is said char and assume many things. I was booped by admins and explained my side of the story and why it happened. It also shows that despite your claim of paying close attention your assertion that the Tajara was a cargo tech is flat out wrong, He WAS a miner that got fired. Your claim of being a witness is flawed and inaccurate.

 

Backstory or not, your character apparently attacked somebody over an argument. And now you're attacking Tish, despite the fact that you only proved why people view Tajara as savages.

If your only issue with this is Tish getting the job wrong (despite cargo tech and miner being in the same department) and him knowing nothing about your character or why you felt justified to kill somebody as a non-antag, then maybe you should take a step back and look at this in the big picture.

 

I'm not attacking anyone, stop trying to make drama and color my my words with malicious intent, kthx.

And no, it was not over words, had the event stayed as just words nothing would have happened, it escalated when the human player started throwing punches. I don't attack people over words so let's not claim I did.

Edited November 2, 2015 by Guest

[Guest Menown]

Plus you also know nothing is said char and assume many things. It also shows that despite your claim of paying close attention your assertion that the Tajara was a cargo tech is flat out wrong, He WAS a miner that got fired. Your claim of being a witness is flawed and inaccurate.

 

I'm not attacking anyone, stop trying to make drama and color my my words with malicious intent, kthx.

[Xelnagahunter]

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play, Plus you also know nothing is said char and assume many things. I was booped by admins and explained my side of the story and why it happened. It also shows that despite your claim of paying close attention your assertion that the Tajara was a cargo tech is flat out wrong, He WAS a miner that got fired. Your claim of being a witness is flawed and inaccurate.

 

I was reading the PMs between you and whomever handled the situation. I didn't witness the event outright but yeah. Given what I read and your statements here, I agree that your character had a right to defend himself and incapacitate the human character. However, killing them once they were down (which was the large portion of issue the staff member had with your actions) turned you from being agressive in a defensive manner, to being a murderously aggressive Taj, one that isn't helping the Tajaran aggression that everyone is talking about. It's perfectly fine to stand your ground, it's not cool to escalate that aggression any further.

[Voyd2000]

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play, Plus you also know nothing is said char and assume many things. I was booped by admins and explained my side of the story and why it happened. It also shows that despite your claim of paying close attention your assertion that the Tajara was a cargo tech is flat out wrong, He WAS a miner that got fired. Your claim of being a witness is flawed and inaccurate.

 

I was reading the PMs between you and whomever handled the situation. I didn't witness the event outright but yeah. Given what I read and your statements here, I agree that your character had a right to defend himself and incapacitate the human character. However, killing them once they were down (which was the large portion of issue the staff member had with your actions) turned you from being agressive in a defensive manner, to being a murderously aggressive Taj, one that isn't helping the Tajaran aggression that everyone is talking about. It's perfectly fine to stand your ground, it's not cool to escalate that aggression any further.

 

And talking with the admin handling it I came to understand my mistake and planned to adjust my actions in the future if such an event happened again. Also might I add the human started using an air tank to beat me, thus escalating from punching to weapons, granted Tajara have knives for hands and maybe he was just trying to even the fight out a little however going from fists to weapon was also a form of escalation on their behalf.

[Xelnagahunter]

And talking with the admin handling it I came to understand my mistake and planned to adjust my actions in the future if such an event happened again.

So I don't come across wrong, I wasn't attacking you or your claims/story. I don't want to tell you you're "wrong" about anything as it isn't my place. I'm no longer a moderator. I was mearly point out why the topic was valid in our conversation about how Tajaran are being viewed. In the end, your actions happened and you've come to learn from the wrong, that's awesome. But, as a community and a group of whitelist holders, we need to figure out how to fix the bad air everyone has with Tajarans. I'm one of the Taj players now, or soon will be when it gets added to the server, so this matters to me. I don't want to be hated upon OOCly because I'm yet another Tajaran, I want to be minorly distrusted and expected to serve in my low level civilian job with no further chance for promotion unless I spend some serious knee time with the Corporate heads.

[Guest Menown]

I don't want to be hated upon OOCly because I'm yet another Tajaran

 

I've played a Tajara for upwards of two years now, Xel. It'll happen, whether you want it or not. The best thing is to just ignore it on an OOC level until it becomes harassment. Then you can talk to the admins about it.

[Xelnagahunter]

I don't want to be hated upon OOCly because I'm yet another Tajaran

 

I've played a Tajara for upwards of two years now, Xel. It'll happen, whether you want it or not. The best thing is to just ignore it on an OOC level until it becomes harassment. Then you can talk to the admins about it.

 

It's always going to happen, but there are people doing it who otherwise wouldn't because of the public view of Taj players currently. I'm going to do my part to try fixing that.

[Voyd2000]

From what I see, Tajara hate is less about their actions ICly and more about an OOC idea that they are automatically associated with an OOC group of people called furries, I'm not one of these people I simply enjoy RP and the stories and inspiration that comes from the stories in game.

There's a constant OOC hate and bleeds into the game due to, from what I see as a hate for "furries" and the actions other people have taken in the name of that community of people, such as DDOS attacks and devastating server grief.

I feel that when someone picks to be a Tajara in game they are automatically labeled as one of these furry people OOCly and thus the hate and bias tends to bleed into the gamespace due to the actions of others that harm the server into an unplayable state. This puts existing Tajara who are furries into a perpetual state of defence as they are automatically grouped in with the negatives of what that label entails given the history of attacks on the server by a small group within that community.

[TishinaStalker]

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play

 

45 minutes of play doesn't really give you the right to outright kill people because they degraded you for being a Tajaran. Plus, what Meowy said, this doesn't really help the whole issue of Tajaran looking to kill people or resort to using claws (made for hunting through evolutionary process btw) on people.

 

He WAS a miner that got fired. Your claim of being a witness is flawed and inaccurate.

 

Cool, I mistook a CARGO TECH for a MINER. This makes everything I said flawed and inaccurate because I couldn't remember your JOB TITLE. Both work under the QM, both mean the QM is your boss. Regardless of whether you were a cargo tech or a miner changed nothing in this situation. I apologize that I got such an extremely minor and negligible fact wrong, but that doesn't invalidate the information I gave.

The information I gave:

 

• Tajaran worked in cargo.
• Tajaran's boss was QM.
  
• QM ordered Tajaran to not do something.
  
• Tajaran refused, gave threat.
  
• Minor fight broke out.
  
• Tajaran killed QM.

 

Nothing you said in your initial post invalidated any of the information I gave and confusing your job title did nothing. If you have anything that invalidates anything I said in my timeline of events, then do feel free to try again.

[Voyd2000]

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play

 

45 minutes of play doesn't really give you the right to outright kill people because they degraded you for being a Tajaran. Plus, what Meowy said, this doesn't really help the whole issue of Tajaran looking to kill people or resort to using claws (made for hunting through evolutionary process btw) on people.

 

Again, this was not over words, It was when he started throwing punches and then using an air tank to beat me that things got out of hand, I don't attack people over words so let's not make it out like I did.

[Nogo3]

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play

 

45 minutes of play doesn't really give you the right to outright kill people because they degraded you for being a Tajaran. Plus, what Meowy said, this doesn't really help the whole issue of Tajaran looking to kill people or resort to using claws (made for hunting through evolutionary process btw) on people.

 

Again, this was not over words, It was when he started throwing punches and then using an air tank to beat me that things got out of hand, I don't attack people over words so let's not make it out like I did.

 

I really don't think the problem started when you had the fight and things started getting out of hand, so much as it is the outright aggression and trying to disembowel and eat a man's intestines. That's about the line there.

[Guest]

well okay here's a possible solution to the whole state of tajaran thing then

1.) those of you that are roleplaying tajarans as furry ";3 oooh wats dis can i touch it" or the over-aggressive "YARRRR YE CALLED ME A CATBEAST MATEY THAT'LL BE A PADDLIN' " tajarans. stop. just. stop.

2.) roleplay tajarans to a believable and humble quota. think this: "would a human get away with doing this? if not, why would a perceivably sub-humanoid race get away with it?"

3.) stop. attacking. each other. OOCly. The two parties (anti-Taj and pro-furryTaj, it seems) needs to stop carrying out metagrudge behavior onto each other. the former would be more welcome over at stormfront or on vg. the latter would be more welcome on Second Life.

Both parties need to stop shitting up the forums and this server's quality. It is an absolute pity the administration doesn't want to take the 'extreme moderate side' and dump both groups into the trash. Stop fucking up the enjoyment that the normies are trying to have here. You guys participating in this crap often wonder where the cancer is coming from, and perhaps we'll never know.

You're not the chemotherapeutic messiah that will defeat the ultimate enemy that you have in your sights. This is a game. We are a community surrounded around playing this game. We play this game to enjoy ourselves because real life just fucking sucks sometimes. We are not enemies. We should all just be friends whose common interests should align very nicely, considering we're playing a cult-classical game, and all?

No, really. If you still think there's some furry plague or a campaign of fursecution going around on this server, you're right. But you're also wrong.

I think it's really simple. Either you both change your ways or you can both gtfo. At least, that's what I'd say if I had any standing past being able to make an opinion around here.

This 'issue' with the state of Tajaran thing is not going to go away until you folks involved in all of this fix yourselves.

[TishinaStalker]

What you seen was the end result of a buildup over about 45mins of play

 

45 minutes of play doesn't really give you the right to outright kill people because they degraded you for being a Tajaran. Plus, what Meowy said, this doesn't really help the whole issue of Tajaran looking to kill people or resort to using claws (made for hunting through evolutionary process btw) on people.

 

Again, this was not over words, It was when he started throwing punches and then using an air tank to beat me that things got out of hand, I don't attack people over words so let's not make it out like I did.

 

I mean, it's assumed that the minor fight broke out and then the fight escalated which is why the QM wound up dead, y'know? Something had to happen, but I didn't remember the reason why with enough accuracy to say it as a fact; as to why I omitted it and it wound up fight breaks out > QM dead. Implies something happened in the fight for that last event to happen. If it didn't come out that way, then I apologize if that misrepresented things, but at the same time I should've added that you kept attacking (which led to his death) after he was knocked down; which is pretty over-the-top and I did remember that for a fact because it was the main part that made me go "wtf?" in my head when watching.

[Voyd2000]

I really don't think the problem started when you had the fight and things started getting out of hand, so much as it is the outright aggression and trying to disembowel and eat a man's intestines. That's about the line there.

 

I agree, it was meant to be a bluff, a thing that would make the human consider not acting on his own threat of violence should Adama not follow his order. I never made the threat until after the human player made their own threat to beat adama should he touch the console again. The human player made the first threat, I made my own with escalation in order to "scare" the human into not carrying out his threat in the event I called his bluff and touched the machine.

Yea, I took it too far when I acted on my own bluff and I realized my mistake and poor choice in taking another player out of the game, I learned from this and it was my first incident in the 6 months I had been playing the race, When I realized that I may have broken lore and made the playspace even more toxic for my fellow Tajara I wanted to die in the gamespace, literally begging to die, to suffer the same fate I had dished out, to be taken out of the round just like the player whom I took out.

Killing people is not a point of pride in my gameplay, I vote nuke round every round with no intent of being an antag, I play a char (Kanza) during these rounds that will never attack people and would sooner curl up in a ball and be beat to death before ever lashing out. She's a prop to be utilised by antags, regulars being able to rest assure that she will never suddenly go rambo, never be a hero and is not robust in any sense of the word, yea she loves guns and loves to hug them to her chest, but when it comes time to use them she would sooner drop it and cower and run away.

[Voyd2000]

The information I recall

 

• Tajaran worked in cargo as a miner.
• Tajaran's boss was QM.
  
• Tajara worked as miner for about 45mins without incident soon to bring back many samples that almost always make. robotics and science happy for the rest of the shift.
  
• QM ordered Tajaran to mine for glass.
  
• Tajara did not understand this request and asked if it could be ordered from cargo to save an old Tajara from more work.
  
• Cargo Tech (Maybe under order of QM I don't know) Says no, with explanation of "Saving points".
  
• Tajaran perturbed by this insists it be ordered.
  
• QM becomes angered by Tajara ignorance, demands material be collected.
  
• Tajaran perplexed by the process of mining for glass insists it be ordered from cargo.
  
• QM becomes angered by Tajara ignorance, starts using curse words and ultimatives (Do A or else B)
  
• Tajara gives up and returns to station outpost meets QM by the refiner with shovel in hand cursing up a storm about teaching Tajara how to do his job.
  
• Tajara (and player) not willing to RP with this person opts for option B over option A. (B being fired, A being demeaned for no reason)
  
• Tajara is fired, reports to HoP and has ID changed, Returns to Cargo lobby to see how many cargo points his job was worth, turns out to be 10 points for an order of glass.
  
• QM sees Tajara at the console and insists in a hostile manner that he "Get the fuck out of cargo"
  
• Tajara follows order and leaves, later he returns with a stool and sits outside the lobby in the hallway to stew at the absurdity of what just happened
  
• Tajara goes back into the lobby and starts to place about 15 orders for glass as a childish way of protest to losing his job over 10 points.
  
• QM catches Tajara and orders him to stop.
  
• Tajara stops making orders and starts to collect the papers and stack them neatly on the cargo desk
  
• QM makes threat of violence if Tajara touches the console again.
  
• Tajara makes counter threat should act of violence be carried out.
  
• QM eggs Tajara to touch the console again. (eg. I dare you to touch that console again.)
  
• Tajara makes another order for glass.
  
• Qm closes the distance and hits Tajara.
  
• Tajara hits (claws) back.
  
• Fight starts, Tajara falls down, QM escalates by use of air tank as Tajara lay on the ground.
  
• Tajara pops up from the ground in middle of weaponized beating (to my surprise) and keeps swinging till death msg pops up.
  
• Tajaran kills QM. actions eating his insides
  
• Tajara calls for help claiming to have been attacked.
  
• Admin PMs and I become wise to my mistakes.

[Guest Menown]

Fight starts, Tajara falls down, QM escalates by use of air tank as Tajara lay on the ground.

 

This is a very crucial point that should have been outlined originally. It wasn't a fist fight. Yes, he threw the first punch, and you fought back, but he made the choice to start attacking you on the ground with a weapon that can easily kill.

Now, I can understand the being PM'd about the eating the insides things, but I thoroughly believe that being met with lethal force as you were, warrants lethal force in retaliation.