Frances Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 [21:21:12]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Fuck off, Catbeast.[21:21:18]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Your kind have n oplace here. [21:21:43]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Jesus, im loosing track of all these cats. [21:25:25]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Catbeasts have no place here other then to clean shit from toilets and fix windows. [21:11:46]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : No filthy languages like that. Just dropping by to say that this kind of stuff should get sent to either character or IC complaints. Not used to justify retaliation at which point everyone on the server is being an idiot. It's just childish and not even that entertaining. As far as roleplay is concerned, I'm not really sure what it brings. But ideally it's the kind of stuff that shouldn't happen - I don't really want to hold it against Tajaran characters if they react to it (acting super pissy at minor stuff is a different problem altogether), but in the end these are not situations we should even be seeing. Like, if you wanna be racist there's cooler ways. If you wanna troll people there's probably cooler ways too.
the_furry Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 [22:36:30]SAY: Safiya Isra/XXTheFurryXx : what she say is none of his business Rrreally? That’s the great big sassy cat comment I made that’s causing this complaint? Oh heaven forbid I got slightly abrasive. The laws of cat kind have been broken! What, was that comment just so impossible for a tajara to say after them being subjected to this for a hour? heaven forbid you consistently act like a terrible being in-game and get a reaction out of people and other characters for acting terrible. [21:21:12]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Fuck off, Catbeast.[21:21:18]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Your kind have n oplace here. [21:21:43]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Jesus, im loosing track of all these cats. [21:25:25]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Catbeasts have no place here other then to clean shit from toilets and fix windows. [21:11:46]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : No filthy languages like that. Again, was I supposed to just be so happy go fucking lucky that an hour worth of retarded racism wouldn’t affect my character? I ask again, in what imaginary world do you live in that racism to that extreme level is just supposed to have no effect on the person? nah but you probably shouldn't take it so seriously, considering that it's a game and all. Wouldn't a logical solution for your character be, for instance, to not give a fuck and go back to doing their work? Caveat one, it's a game. Caveat two, you're not really roleplaying a functional sapient creature by taking offense to everything and getting all mad about 2d spacemans insulting your character :/ still that spacevoidagent guy tho lmao Safi is one of the most mild and passive cats on this damn server. She’s only escalated to violence based on race twice both of which the admins verified it was a fair escalation because I was dealing with racism on a retarded level. Are we done here? "Ron is one of the most soft-spoken, peaceful and non-violent people I know, he's only beat the fucking shit out of people twice. He's a really cool dude, tho." Yeah, no, that doesn't fly, and it doesn't say much when most other Tajaran characters have a nasty reputation of repeatedly assaulting others. you do understand, heavy role play means to roleplay realistically. not lel do what ever the fuck you want because its a game....right?
the_furry Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 heaven forbid you consistently act like a terrible being in-game and get a reaction out of people and other characters for acting terrible. also the only thing i did to be "terrible" is apparently [22:36:30]SAY: Safiya Isra/XXTheFurryXx : what she say is none of his business please go on and explain how that is terrible. I'd love to hear what you have to say.
the_furry Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 "Ron is one of the most soft-spoken, peaceful and non-violent people I know, he's only beat the fucking shit out of people twice. He's a really cool dude, tho." Yeah, no, that doesn't fly, and it doesn't say much when most other Tajaran characters have a nasty reputation of repeatedly assaulting others. finally. lel what? because other tajara characters have a nasty reputation that means I do too? or is it because I was forced to react to retardation? which I repeat admins approved.
Zidanyia Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 You know there is an edit button, right? You don't need to post three times to respond to me. Heavy roleplay means to act realistically, sure. But is it realistic to tell your boss to say that it's none of his business and sound all indignant when told you can't speak Cat-spanic when he clearly intends for everyone to speak the same language so that nobody gets upset over it? You're not forced to do anything, you accept the consequences of what you play. Whether it be a catbeast, a walking tree or a buttbot. You accept your role in the setting, not anything more or less. I mean I kinda find it hard to believe you were forced into clawing people who upset your character. Most mild people I know just walk the fuck away and not get involved :/
the_furry Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) You know there is an edit button, right? You don't need to post three times to respond to me. Heavy roleplay means to act realistically, sure. But is it realistic to tell your boss to say that it's none of his business and sound all indignant when told you can't speak Cat-spanic when he clearly intends for everyone to speak the same language so that nobody gets upset over it? You're not forced to do anything, you accept the consequences of what you play. Whether it be a catbeast, a walking tree or a buttbot. You accept your role in the setting, not anything more or less. I mean I kinda find it hard to believe you were forced into clawing people who upset your character. Most mild people I know just walk the fuck away and not get involved :/ . I really hope this topic doesn’t get resolved with a simple closeing. Because you are right, the way you rp should have consequences, and when I’m met with shit rp that forces me to fight, the shitters should be punished. FYI the situation that you find so hard to believe, they attacked me first, you can read the damn complaint in the history on the forums. As I said, theres a reason admins cleared my aggression. Edited September 20, 2015 by Guest
Garnascus Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Im thinking of a four letter word, STOP! This is far past the point of reasonable debate between you two. The entirety of the issue here is complex with passionate people on both sides. We arena going to reach any sort of agreement or resolution by devolving into insults. Its just going to end with forum vacations and thread lickings.
Tenenza Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 *sigh* Alright, to business. For Baka: Given the whole situation brought to light, how would you expect Firstact and xxthefurryxx to behave in future circumstances? For TheFurry & Firstact + Any other Tajaran involved: May I ask why you decided to continue speaking in silkmas over comms even through you were told repeatly to stop, even with some relatively civil request for you to stop in the beginning, and several from your boss?
the_furry Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 *sigh*Alright, to business. For TheFurry & Firstact + Any other Tajaran involved: May I ask why you decided to continue speaking in silkmas over comms even through you were told repeatly to stop, even with some relatively civil request for you to stop in the beginning, and several from your boss? *rolls eyes* ok sure, I’ve been asked this a million times already and you would think it would have been fixed by now but whatever I guess, this is what happened. [21:21:12]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Fuck off, Catbeast. [21:21:18]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Your kind have n oplace here. [21:21:43]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Jesus, im loosing track of all these cats. [21:25:25]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : Catbeasts have no place here other then to clean shit from toilets and fix windows. [21:11:46]SAY: Heinrich Adler/Spacevoidagent : No filthy languages like that. Is it unbelievable that I wanted to speak to only taj so I could ignore this unbelievable racism that was on going the entire round? I disregarded the “civil” request because I didn’t want Adler to even understand a word I was saying because of his retarded level of racism. I would have gladly stopped if the RD handled Adler in a believable way and had the coms cleared of racism (it was present in the science channel as well). Please read the logs if you have too so you can see what I’m talking about; so now, seeing what I was dealing with can you blame me?? I was the most civil cat and person during that round, the only thing I did was speak in siikmass then tell someone that what I’m talking about is not their business. Given the extreme out of nowhere racism that they were hammering the whole radio with (and they were surprisingly persistent in their racism) Hopefully it dawns on somebody how long it took heads of staff (and now admins because this became ooc issue) to get my side of the story and do anything with it.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Multiple people have already said that the speaking on siik'maas happened before the incidents with the cult. The behaviour of Heinrich Adler is completely seperate from the issue we are looking at. Both of your characters explicitly disobeyed your boss in your own science channel. The Captain at the time (chaznoodles) did not authorize siik'maas on the common channel. So basically everyone told you to stop, and you didn't stop. The only time this behavior was acceptable was later on when safety and survival trumped the demands for basic on comms. Because this is the first complaint on this behavior, I will be giving a warning to the_furry and Firstact over this behavior. There are expectations that you are supposed to uphold for the actions of your character. That's it in regards to whitelists. The other staff on this complaint can go as they wish.
Baka Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 Given the whole situation brought to light, how would you expect Firstact and xxthefurryxx to behave in future circumstances? I would like to see less language communication spam from both characters and the entire "you utter something negative about tajarans I will rip and tear at your throat" toned the hell down. I wanted to point this out to them what I feel to be the biggest problems on the server that tajara players seem to be having the most problems with: They don't like it when you're just doing your job and you're constantly spit out by the cat clique because you have to tell them to knock it off. They take it on a personal level that I was being insensitive towards their species where in reality even if a human spoke Sol Common or Tradeband or whatever on science I would had told them to stop it.
Tenenza Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 For TheFurry: Given what Baka has requested regarding where things go from here, do you feel that's reasonable, at least on a fundamental level? If not, what parts of it do you feel are unreasonable? For Baka: Do you feel that the situation of the indeed rather extreme racism and insults justified, at least to some degree, the situation? As well, given TheFurry's own preference to how you could have behaved in the situation, do you feel that is reasonable, and if not, why?
hivefleetchicken Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I actually have to defend the furry race here. At least they didn't chase Heinrich down and gut him, right? They kept it verbal and stayed there, even though neither party was particularly mature in their way of doing so. Tajarra are filth and imo don't have the right to live in our lore, but as long as they are here, let's respect the fact that they didn't pull weapons on the RD like I've seen many lesbay-nurses/engineering-lesbos do in their roving clique gangs. I get that Tajarra are supposed to be on a tight leash but a simple exchange of "fuck off"s shouldn't warrant serious repercussions. Someone please tell me if I'm missing something here, thanks.
Tenenza Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Also, a quick clarification: I'm here to try and help TheFurry and Baka have a civil discussion regarding how they feel they can work to roleplay better in the future, so that they can both find the game enjoyable. I ain't here to make judgements regarding whether or not the RP was unfitting for someone with a Tajaran whitelist, because apparently Jackboot is superceding on that, since he's loremaster and whatnot.
the_furry Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Also, a quick clarification: I'm here to try and help TheFurry and Baka have a civil discussion regarding how they feel they can work to roleplay better in the future, so that they can both find the game enjoyable. I ain't here to make judgements regarding whether or not the RP was unfitting for someone with a Tajaran whitelist, because apparently Jackboot is superceding on that, since he's loremaster and whatnot. Tenenza I see what your attempting to do and I do appreciate the gesture. However I am far past being civil in this discussion. I started off civil, I tried being pleasant and explain why this is a retarded complaint. To which my explanation was disregarded and I’m told I shouldn’t have done something so grievous such as speak siikmass on coms. Despite the fact that we were dealing with a level of racism so retarded that it ruined the round for almost every science cat. But no, me and furst get the warning. I also really like how, only me and furst get the warning. Like you do realize I was next to furst almost the entire round. I had no reason to speak to him in siikmass over coms. We were talking to both sirrra and Neb and they were disregarding the basic over coms rule too. I /really/ like how that’s ignored….whatever jackboot… To answer your question (because even when I’m trying to be unpleasant I’m still pleasant enough to answer). The only thing I’ve learned from this entire thing of retardation is how to handle issues like chaz. If the racism is reasonable and realistic I will pursue IC resolution such as reporting to security, IA, IC reports. I came to that conclusion well before this fuckery. As for siikmass on coms, I will continue as I always have. Safi is one of the most passive cats on the server, if I’m requested to stop siikmass over coms she will give a response along the lines of “oh okay she sorry!”; /Unless/ I am dealing with a level of retarded racism that is so unrealistically retarded and the player is being such a tremendous dick and a bad roleplayer that it just ruins the round. At that point, if it continues as it did here, I’ll be submitting another ooc complaint and including any retarded fucking head that seems to think it’s reasonable to let the coms be blasted with “fuck the cats” all day long (looking at you baka). The memo supports this action. Also as hive said no one was fucking threatened or clawed by a cat(though at that point we had every right to do so). No the only retarded threats came from the unbelievably unrealistic and bad role play from the racist. So I don’t know where baka is coming with: I would like to see *** "you utter something negative about tajarans I will rip and tear at your throat" toned the hell down. Safi didn’t threaten anyone that round, she rarely ever does. And if I had, given the context, it would be fine.
CakeIsOssim Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I understand tensions are high. I understand people are getting fed up over the massive amount of complaints and finger pointing over the last few days. However, I want this constant attacking of other people, condescending, passive-aggressive stuff to stop. Consider this your only warning. Any more posts containing any of the stuff I just listed above (ad hominem, passive-aggressive attitude, finger-pointing, generally being an asshole) will be removed and shut down without warning. Complaints are meant to remain on topic. This goes for everyone. If someone's attacking you, do not retaliate. Report it, and let staff handle it.
TechnoKat Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 What I saw from this complaint is only this, "we wanna have fun" and "realistic rp only server" arguments. Looks like both can't fit in anywhere and can leave players punished for doing silly things that can easily be fixed. I think the rules should be updated about "how you can have fun" whilst "roleplaying a specific character" without needing to make complaints but instead ahelp. There's going to be shitton of complaints about tajarans imo.
Baka Posted September 22, 2015 Author Posted September 22, 2015 I've already said what I wanted: I asked to cease the cat pack mentality against people every time someone tried to be polite and stop spamming comms. I have nothing else to add but to a previous comment: If I have to be told "I am lucky that I didn't get clawed by tajarans for asking them to stop cordially and all I got is a 'fuck you' in return", then we have a problem with the state of tajaran characters, don't we?
Central Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 Baka, when you have a group of individuals consistently being harassed, it's very easy for them to become naturally defensive over even polite requests, because it becomes harder to filter out the good from the bad. You start associating any critique when the harassment that you've been receiving on a near-constant basis thusfar. While it was wrong for them to react harshly to a polite request, it's not unusual in the slightest.
Baka Posted September 22, 2015 Author Posted September 22, 2015 It's getting ridiculous how bad the tunnel vision is though. Not every request to stop doing (blank) is because "fucking catbeasts".
the_furry Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 It's getting ridiculous how bad the tunnel vision is though. Not every request to stop doing (blank) is because "fucking catbeasts". Im sorry are we talking about some random other situation that i wasn't even involved in? Wana name those players and write a new complaint. Because this complaint is definitely directed at me. or atleast name a time i was being sassy when i wasnt also dealing with retarded racism. Oh wait you can't, the only time ive ever been agressive was when i was dealing with retardation. Any other time im always completely reasonable. You named way the wrong people in your complaint if your complaining about unprovoked sassyness.
TechnoKat Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 It's getting ridiculous how bad the tunnel vision is though. Not every request to stop doing (blank) is because "fucking catbeasts". Im sorry are we talking about some random other situation that i wasn't even involved in? Wana name those players and write a new complaint. Because this complaint is definitely directed at me. or atleast name a time i was being sassy when i wasnt also dealing with retarded racism. Oh wait you can't, the only time ive ever been agressive was when i was dealing with retardation. Any other time im always completely reasonable. You named way the wrong people in your complaint if your complaining about unprovoked sassyness. I think Baka meant how ridicilious whole tajara racism situations are, not directing at something.
Shadow Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 The players in question recieved a warning. Marking as resolved and locking and archiving it.
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