Ove's Head of Staff application

[hivefleetchicken]

Feel free to spread as much slander as you'd like, no matter what you say, say it as many times as you'd like.

 

 

I don't think you're fully understanding that someone coming forward and posting about your behavior when you asked for reflection (this is an application and there is a review process) in a negative way is slander and an attack on you.

Because of this, I am maintaining my -1.

[CampinKiller]

I was going to +1 this, until I saw the way you acted in OOC last night in response to Calla's downvote. IMO, it's unacceptable to go about advertising a player complaint in OOC, and trying to provoke a rise out of the person you've complained about. Sorry, but if that's the way you act when you feel wronged, then I can't say I'd support you being a head of staff.

Fwiw, neutral.

Edited December 13, 2015 by Guest

[Ove]

I was going to +1 this, until I saw the way you acted in OOC last night in response to Calla's downvote. IMO, it's unacceptable to go about advertising a player complaint in OOC, and trying to provoke a rise out of the person you've complained about. Sorry, but if that's the way you act when you feel wronged, then I can't say I'd support you being a head of staff.

 

It's only just now that I've finally gotten some sleep, and something to eat, that I've officially calmed down. I realize that what I was doing last night was unacceptable, and that damaged my credibility quite a bit. I'd just like everyone to understand why I was so upset. I had to deal with six murderers and one vandalism attempt (To break the prisoners out) all attempting to unbuckle and uncuff themselves, while screaming insults at me the entire time. Callabaddie, AKA Samantha Curnow, just watched me struggle the entire time. If you'd take a look at my complaint against them, you'd see that the reason they didn't help was because, almost quite literally, "I'm too good for that. I'm not going to help, you can't boss me around."

I know that I've got doubt circling me now because of last night, but please keep in mind that that was when I was at my worst. It was 12 AM, I was starving, and I was assailed over and over again by seven people in the Communal Brig who were serial killers. And those six serial killers were supposed to be watched until the Transfer shuttle comes, but Callabaddie decided to be petty enough to run off whenever I'd asked her for help, because "I don't take orders from you."

It's honestly stressing me out enough to the point of my body physically hurting, that I've received so much malice due to my own temper that a person like this is actually getting support. Do I regret making such posts, attempting to get a rise out of Callabaddie in OOC, and everything else I've done last night? Absolutely. I've made some very clear mistakes, and for that, I sincerely apologize.

Does that mean I shouldn't be given this whitelist however, because of one bad round? I don't believe so. Everyone has their bad days, and from personal experience, I'm sure quite a few of you can recollect that I myself am not a horrible person, contrary to what I've shown last night. I understand that what I was doing was unacceptable and not befitting of this community, but I can solemnly promise that it isn't going to happen again. The thing that set me off the most was the fact that Callabaddie was just deliberately trolling me and trying to make me mad. When someone tries to make me mad just to be that way, that's when I actually do get quite upset.

I understand the individuals who are giving me -1s, but I'd also plead with you to reconsider. Everyone has their bad moments, and that was mine. I don't believe that I should be scorned for another month and a half before I can make another whitelist just because I was horribly angry for two hours last night. I really am sorry.

[EvilBrage]

"One bad round" isn't the issue. Your attitude and maturity level are the issue.

A few players here can tell you that I also tend to get heated when things don't go exactly according to plan (I take great pride in my antagonist shenanigans, see) but the crux of the issue is that you had a bad round and then went on to file a complaint against someone for changing their mind on whether or not they believe you should get a whitelist - that's the most alarming part about your behavior. Someone slighted you, and so you tried to get back at them. The complaint has been active for a few days now, despite the statement that the incident had been dealt with already by Killerhurtz (I'm not even sure why Garnascus decided to stick his nose in at that point without the former's yea or nay.) If I give you a negative review and my character does things you don't like, will you attack me for two days?

I can't say I've had any memorable interaction with your characters, personally - but I can already see a number of issues that I would be extremely wary of, were I in charge of accepting or denying this application. I am not bashing you, but I want to outline them in the interest of constructive criticism.

First, you start with a contradiction that just seems to be written to "sound cool." She's both determined and uninterested? Determined to be uninterested? You're using contradictions as "cool factor." You've created three characters within your very short time here, all related to one another. Feel free to disagree, but this implies you project yourself onto your characters, which is the very breeding ground for the "Mary Sue" you're being referenced as. You seem unable to distance yourself from your characters emotionally.

Second, you imply that her ability to beat people up is a significant factor in determining whether or not she's accepted for the position, which leads me to believe that you're not aware of what a head of staff application is really geared towards judging; this is further compounded by the fact that when asked about the OOC purpose of a head of staff, you decide to call the question "iffy." It's there for a reason, and I'm not convinced that you get it.

Third, your character has no weaknesses. Let's not beat around the bush - what you've outlined as her "greatest weakness" is a run-of-the-mill trait that's run its course through many, many characters. It's extremely obvious that you've sculpted an archetype to be the "perfect" candidate for this position, rather than creating a character. She can apparently take down several men unarmed, she boasts a great 'mental library,' etc etc. "She might want to see her sisters again" is the only twinge of anything resembling humanity that this character has, and I'm not saying that in a good way.

Finally, after a scant week of being on the server, the overall tone of your application seems to scream "they're doing it wrong, I'm doing it right, and I want to be a head of staff to force them to do it right," as evidenced by the following:

While I can't exactly agree with everyone's behavior on Aurora, playerbase and staff included, I feel like it's the best server for me at this current time.

I've seen some questionable things from the members of this community so far, which disappoints me that that isn't the case here.

My first impression of this server's security was borderline horrendous, and I started creating this character to whip everyone into shape.

I've personally seen on the server where if Security tells one person to stop doing something, that person was involved with their meta-buddies and immediately started causing a scene, and ended up getting a much worse sentence than was originally prescribed.

And perhaps the most damning of all:

[DANGER! ACCEPT AT OWN RISK! THIS CHARACTER WILL LEGITIMATELY BRING CHANGE TO THE SECURITY TEAM!]

 

Ironically, that's the biggest reason I would reject this application immediately. We can get past Mary Sue characters, and I could even give you a few pointers on how to avoid that trap. We can educate those who don't know about the OOC expectations of a head of staff, that other players will see your actions and recognize you as a senior community member and emulate what you do, that you have to lead by example. One thing we cannot deal with, however, is an individual who judges the server before even being around long enough to witness a 'baseline.' You assume the worst of our community and have set out to change it without understanding it to begin with, and that speaks volumes to your inability to appropriately handle this role.

Here's my challenge to you: create a character, not an archetype. Play a character completely unrelated to any other character, yours or someone else's, and RP organically. Let things grow on their own, and let your character involve themselves with the various cliques of characters around the station. Immerse yourself and have this character learn as they work, and use that character to create a head of staff application - because I guarantee you that you'll see a much better reception. Or use a different character for the application, but this is an experience I really think would benefit you. Don't rush it just to get your next application pumped out; that defeats the purpose. Try it out through the next month, or through February, but have the character get involved and let another player's character help yours grow before you come back and make another application. Roleplay here isn't just about playing a role; we're creating a massive, collaborative work, and it won't do for everyone to write their characters as the main part 24/7. Try it, I guarantee you'll love it (and as an added bonus, it'll help you with your application, too.)

You're obviously an individual of intelligence with the potential to evolve into a great member of the community, and there may come a day when you're able to handle the head of staff role appropriately. However, I do not believe today is that day.

[Ove]

I'll be typing up a reply to this somewhat later in the day, I don't have enough time at the moment.

[Ove]

Stuff

 

It seems like you enjoy writing up paragraph upon paragraph-length posts. Luckily for you, we share the same interest!

I'd like to make a few things abundantly clear before I fully respond to you. I did not file a complaint against someone just because they didn't like my whitelist. Right after they ghosted, I planned on making the complaint and I couldn't post it until the round was over, as per the rules of the forum. Callabaddie changed their Whitelist vote almost immediately after ghosting, so there's nothing I can say about that except that it's a coincidence that you apparently took notice on and assumed me wrong in that regard. I'll forgive you for that, but it simply isn't true.

I don't believe I was told by Killerhurtz personally that the issue had been dealt with, and had no knowledge of it "being dealt with" other than his input on the complaint. I still find it very distasteful how a Security officer may falsify records, spread slander, attempt to attack Anja, and then ghost out as an escape when they're caught, and continue playing Security like nothing happened at all. It's even mentioned how they didn't help Anja when she was asking for it dealing with six murderers and one person who attempted to break them out solely because of "You're not my boss, you can't order me around." Am I going to file a complaint against that person? Yes. Security isn't supposed to be filled with people like that, they're supposed to be smart, breathing, actual people who don't watch someone haplessly go about trying to organize seven prisoners for the rest of the shift and not even lift a finger to help, only offer remarks that were meant to make Anja even more upset than she already was.

But hey, enough talking about the past. What happened happened.

As for the very start of your point, involving that contradiction, it's called, putting on a show. That's a part of her personality believe it or not, Ihintza very much wants to serve aboard the NSS Aurora. Because, believe it or not, she is a living, breathing human being. Not literally of course, as that'd be a bit strange. I can only show so much with her in the paragraph I was supposed to write, and I felt like this was a nice touch of adding in both mental and physical capability. It doesn't leave a whole lot for personality-- Hence why I attempt to add in a few little quirks here and there from Ihintza. Contrary to your belief apparently, I am making characters that are not, in fact, perfect.

My "very short time" is actually two months, now. I'm not sure if you simply haven't seen me playing on the server in this time, or you just want to have this for more filler in your points against me, but I've been here for a while, and Ihintza was my first character I had in the works. I really wanted her on the station, which is why I waited two weeks(ish) by playing Ove. (The youngest sister, a bartender)

I called the question "Iffy" because that's exactly what it is. It itself is a bit of a contradictory question, "What is the OOC purpose of a head of staff in-game"?...OOC and IC and two very different things, as bluntly as I can say, and while it can be argued that they "Are an example of all that is good in this community, watch them sparkle as they lead everyone ever onward!" I however, don't see them that way. They're here to lead, yes, they're not here to be a "Beacon of light" for everyone who isn't whitelisted.

I'd also like to make note of how you say that you haven't interacted with me in-game, yet you go on a very long spiel about how I am too emotionally attached to my characters, I don't know how to make good, living characters, I need to look at your "guide" on how to do it right, etc etc. Well. I'm fine with your opinion about my characters, I don't agree with you, but an opinion is an opinion. Once you link me to a "guide" on making characters that you made though, is when I feel insulted. How can you tell me that I don't know how to create characters when you yourself have stated that you haven't seen, or interacted with them in character?

A man walks up to a bartender. He asks what type of drinks he has available. He lists three drinks which have one main ingredient, vodka. However, the drinks themselves are named differently, and they are quite clearly distinct. "Well, sir. I don't think you know how to run your bar properly," says the patron. "Here, let me come inside and show you how to make drinks correctly."

That bartender sure doesn't appreciate a patron coming up to him and telling him how to make his three unique drinks, even more so that he's never even sampled the bartender's stock before. I'm going to ask you to respectfully back off in this regard, as my characters are indeed well-made. This is not me refusing constructive criticism; I fully understand that while your post has an undertone of bashing me, you maintain the front that this is all for my benefit. That I fully understand, but I don't appreciate you telling me that three fictional people that I made somehow resemble me and I want to try my hardest to be like them in-game. They're just three sisters man, c'mon.

Ihintza does in fact have a weakness. All of my characters do. With Ove, she doesn't abide by the law to the extent of Ihintza, nor even Anja. She's care-free, and she doesn't care what happens around her. Bar fight? Go right ahead. Someone pulls a knife on her? She'll give you her money without a fight. Anja, is perhaps the easiest to manipulate. She's over-confident, and wants to be like her older sister in every regard possible. She'll do anything to be successful like her. So much so that she'll even get a cocky edge and do whatever she thinks is the best course of action, and take it. Is this always the correct way to go about things? Of course not, this is a young woman, aspiring for greatness, who flies too close to the sun. Ihintza, I'd rather not speak about at the moment for I want everyone to personally experience her before I just spoil everything about her. I want to show with Ihintza, not tell. I'll be more than happy to tell you her weaknesses after she's revealed, but for now, I am going to abstain from speaking about her.

Like I've been saying before, Ihintza is putting on a show for the Nanotrasen representative. Do they want to see a Head of Security shaking in her boots, stammering, and looking unsure of themself? Or do they want someone who looks like they know what they're doing, they know how they should look, what they should do, and bring enough confidence to back themselves up. That's Ihintza. It's almost like you've never even heard of a passionate, determined individual before. I don't believe that making a woman who very much wants to aspire for even higher greatness is mary sue-ish, in fact, I believe she's a rather strong female character, who has plenty of personality. She just didn't show it because that's not what she was there for. Nanotrasen wants results, productivity, efficiency. How dare I show that this Head of Security can bring all of those things to the table, am I right?

I did not in fact, "judge before I knew the baseline". I waited for a full week, playing and observing every day, as Ove the bartender and Ove the ghost, to confirm my suspicions. Now, call me crazy. But on a high-roleplay server, Security members are to be held to a high regard, with there being a what, ten-day whitelist on them? Well darn, I sure hope they are as good as I think! Though time and time again, I'm seeing officers wordlessly slap cuffs on/taser people into submission without so much as a word, only even deigning to speak once the subject in question has woken up, and the only words are, "You are under arrest." I'm not even joking, in my first week, I've seen that happen (And I shit you not) seven times. A few of them were justifiable, as in, the subject attacked the officer or ran away, but I did in fact ahelp the majority of them. Once I heard from the administration that this was in fact, not how everyone is supposed to act, or in your terms, this was not the "base line", I formed my hypothesis that the Security team aboard the Aurora needs some major work. Why shouldn't I be the one to bring change to it?

I understand why you don't post my application, even if I don't agree with what you're saying. In my opinion, you're forming assumptions against me based on me at my worst and things that you've heard from other people about my characters. Yet, you haven't made the effort or simply weren't on at the correct time to actually see them in action, according to your claims. I find this disrespectful and a little insulting that you wouldn't even wait to view me IC, even more so that you assume I was playing on Aurora for only a week. I'm going to respectfully encourage you to step down from your claims of "Me being new, not knowing how to make characters, and salting people because they -1'd your application". I don't believe any of these are true, and you just come across as speaking without all of the information down, while claiming you know all of the information.

I respect and understand your post, but to conclude my rather lengthy one, I do not agree with what you are saying about me. I'd like for this to be the final message barring a Staff member's interjection on my Whitelist app, as I was informed that it was to be accepted. Thank you for reading.

[EvilBrage]

Then again, I really have no interest in helping someone unwilling to learn in the slightest. I'm sure you'd like to have the last word, but I want this on the record so that my opinion is irrefutably clear:

-1

[LordFowl]

I think watching this character try and 'whip' our allegedly terrible security into shape would be a very amusing spectacle that could create some very interesting roleplay scenarios that would diverge from most head of security situations. It is only unfortunate that it would be a very shortlived experience.

+1 (These mean something, right?)

[EvilBrage]

+1 (These mean something, right?)

 

They don't, but here's why I decide to stick them on anyways:

 

You can still +1/-1 an application if you want, but we won't count it as a vote. Rather, users are encouraged to input relevant criticism - you see someone you've enjoyed roleplaying with apply for a whitelist? Go and give them some encouragement! Find an app you don't think is up to par? Provide feedback, and if you can, tell the user how they could improve their application, or better their roleplay.

We'll still take in consideration community input. If a great majority of players oppose somebody getting whitelisted for a valid reason, we can go ahead and deny applications. Recommendations from other players will also still factor in.

 

I've done moderating for a great number of other servers, and while I haven't felt the need to contribute to Aurora in that capacity yet, I just like to toss in my preliminary observations as someone who used to do this kind of stuff fairly often.

[Zundy]

I think watching this character try and 'whip' our allegedly terrible security into shape would be a very amusing spectacle that could create some very interesting roleplay scenarios that would diverge from most head of security situations. It is only unfortunate that it would be a very shortlived experience.

+1 (These mean something, right?)

 

I'm with Fowl. At worst Ove will just fail in his duty OOC and have their whitelist stripped with no garm done and at best we're looking at an interesting and enjoyable RP experience.

+1, why not.

[TishinaStalker]

Completely and totally ignoring feedback that amounts to "why not" (LordFowl and Zundy). If you want your feedback to have any weight whatsoever, then give something that actually holds water. Otherwise, your comments are completely null and are a waste of space on the thread.

Anyway, OVE has been notified that Garnascus and I will be keeping a close eye on them. This application will now be accepted.