11/29/2015 - Player Complaint: Halorocks22

[Gollee]

This fashion of Space Lesbian Furry Freedom Force-esque 'I'll save you!!!' drama continues for a while, and then your Head of your department states that he needs an officer to, once again, passively escort you out.

 

Well, given that Inis is neither a lesbian nor a furry gives me the impression you are just throwing those terms around to insult and discredit me. Nice; classy.

 

Basically, what I see here, is an intruder is caught on the station. What do you do when someone from another station comes by? You hold them there until a transfer comes. Then I see the typical consistent trend (commonly found in medbay) where an unknown xeno comes aboard and is suddenly loved and sympathized with by every dyed-haired person on the station and protected to the death.

And she doesn't have dyed hair either.

I also promise that I didn't metagame or powergame by trying to interrogate you. I did it because I thought it was logical; look again at my perspective. Do you not agree that the intruder was most certainly suspicious? If by chance that you think I powergamed/metagamed by not taking your cuffs off, I have to say that's kind of stupid. You, again, were a dangerous intruder who nobody had a single idea about. You could've done anything. Should I be sorry for choosing to not believe in every single word an unknown intruder says to me? I hope not.

Yeah, you didn't meta; however, there was severe meta earlier on by other people.

The cadet/captain/whoever else trying to argue and interrupt the situation seemed to have made the situation much worse. I don't know why a lowly cadet is so flagrantly questioning their direct Superior's judgment but oh well.... Yes it would have been nice if he had simply let me walk free after the twenty minutes but the head of security's primary job is obviously security and letting someone like that walk around wouldn't exactly be a smart thing to do.

Cadet's aren't officers, they are undertrained, and likely unprofessional; Inis spent a decent amount of time talking to the wizard, and was probably the person who knew her best at that point.

And, beyond that, did we all forget what the purpose of a head of staff on this server is supposed to be? Your job s not to lock down an antag who hasnt even done anything yet solely because he's an antag, and turn the round into extended for everyone but you and your power complex. When you take an antag and lock them in the brig - Interrogation, solitary, communal, whatever - Without any valid reason beyond 'Oh he has powers he might be a threat even though he hasn't done anything', you're for one being a dick to the player, or two abusing your power as a head of staff, and three, you're just being a plain fucking shitter.

I'm less concerned about what Hive did; and more concerned about the other two heads of staff near the beginning of the round.

Note, that this is while the wizard is going through all of the "Don't shoot me, use your words" debate; it's irritating and disappointing to see an antag be immediately targetted for death when they haven't actually hurt anyone. Sure, infiltration, the EMP and magic missile; they are rather serious, but you shouldn't be going straight to lethals for that; this is why nearly every wizard round either ends in mass death; or the wizard getting caught and it becoming extended.

This occurred; and because it said Wizard Federation; this was assumed to be something bad and evil; rather than just a silly fictional piece of paper. To the point of the research director taking it for experimentation.

As soon as they were caught the wizard's broom and scroll were taken; I can understand the broom, it can be used to hit people; but a bit of paper?

Once in a cell, all their equipment was locked in a locker and never seen again.

AKA You can't do anything anymore; ha.

Because the large chunk of wood that you can club someone with is fine; but the scrap of paper that I OOCly know lets you teleport is not.

Inis got antsy very quickly; mainly because the wizard was being locked in the brig forever without ever seeing the rest of the crew. Extended wasn't voted for, secret was. Security has just as much responsibility as the antag to ensure the entire crew has fun; not just a select few people who get to laugh at the wizard in a box.

At least one players round was ruined by crippling metagame. I was trying to rectify it ICly as best I could, by hopefully getting the wizard into the position where they could escape.

[Garnascus]

When the wizard got all their items confiscated and put in a locker hadn't they exhibited teleporting, EMP, some sort of stun projectile, plus accessing secure areas? If all that's true I dunno if its fair to call this meta.

Also if the order for lethals was given after the brig was EMPe (this happened right?) theeeeen its kinda valid.

There's some points Im missing but its not intentional, sill at work.

[Kazkin]

Hello, you listed tablespoon as being involved. Did he handle this issue? Was it ahelped? Or did he encourage you to write this?

Also wow you guys even have the logs ready to go. Ill read through am before I make any initial assessments.

 

Tablespoon encouraged me to write it. His involvement as merely telling me the HoS's ckey and directing me to write a complaint.

 

Anyways, the HoS wasn't the one failing at the interrogation in my eyes. It was the cadet and IA's fault for their frequent interruptions, and the wizard's for being dishonest. This is all very common in wizard rounds. A wizard lying in an interrogation is no reason for a complaint, but neither is a HoS reacting demandingly to the lying. IT'S A DELIBERATE MORAL FEATURE OF THE ROUND TYPE.

 

Except the Wizard wasn't lying, my plan the entire time was getting lost on the way to a party and throwing one on the station. That was literally my entire goal, I even posted it in end round chat, the plan was to give everyone all access and permits but I was perma'd before I was able to do anything aside from introduce myself to the captain. Teleporting to secure areas was accidental because I was shot at while selecting my place. AI Core and Armory are listed in the first options.

 

I promise that I didn't mean to keep you in there the entire round. It would've gone much faster and I would've released you under armed guard (which I was trying to do at the end of the round, actually) had the people who were accompanying me in the Interrogation room not been trying to slit my throat at every corner. By the way, I didn't know that you had already been in the Brig for an extended period of time. I joined mid-round. It was an unpleasant experience for you, I understand. That being said, even if you did serve Brig time I had no reason to let you free because, again, you were a major security risk. The whole reason I was interrogating you was to figure out what to do with you. I said this multiple times in-game, I believe.

I also promise that I didn't metagame or powergame by trying to interrogate you. I did it because I thought it was logical; look again at my perspective. Do you not agree that the intruder was most certainly suspicious? If by chance that you think I powergamed/metagamed by not taking your cuffs off, I have to say that's kind of stupid. You, again, were a dangerous intruder who nobody had a single idea about. You could've done anything. Should I be sorry for choosing to not believe in every single word an unknown intruder says to me? I hope not.

As for the "I AM THE LAW" thing. Yeah, that was me being silly. Sorry, guys, can't help it. I'm halo. If it means anything, I did include "or an administrator of it" afterwards. I would've appreciated it if you had that highlighted too.

Finally, I'd like to point out that at the end of the round you (un)ironically ONI SAMA'D an entire ERT squad to a crisp and broke both my hands doing so. Of course, you say it was because you were angry, but, uh, it still shows that the intruder who infiltrated the station was dangerous after all and that maybe I wasn't so wrong for being cautious with her. I don't often say "I told you so" but .

 

Your officers and myself explained I had been in the brig for an extended period, multiple times, its in the logs that this was stated to you multiple times. You also stated outright when I told you the truth IC that you didn't belive me despite it being the truth and only the truth.

Equally the "It's ok guys I'm me" isn't an excuse. Lastly I was being permantely imprisoned for life for being shot at and teleporting to the wrong area I didn't ICly know was secure. The only deliberate teleport was to the Captains office to introduce myself and he was actually reasonable before he had to cryo. Snowball IC killed herself because her entire life was over and she was facing permanent detainment for what was in character an accident. It was spend life behind bars for nothing or take the easy way it, she chose the latter. You literally created a situation so hopeless and cruel, without good reasons, for a person ICly that they chose death over what you were doing/going to do to them.

 

I would've viewed him as entirely within his power, Halorocks said before hand in the thread that he intended to release our wizard under guard, so it's not the 'permanent lockdown' that everyone was making it out to be, if the wizard cooperated I'm sure it would've been released soon enough.

f I was in an important high-level job where I'm charged with keeping a research station secure, and I have to interrogate an intruder with extensive capabilities, and this intruder comes up with unbelievable trash for an explanation as to why he's there, while I have two people behind me calling me an idiot and second guessing me and saying that I was handling it wrong even though one of them was a cadet, and the other was an IAA who was out of his bounds, I'd go a little bit nuts too.

Who knows, maybe this person somehow DID get lost going to a party with this high tech gear and ended up on this secure facility, but it is highly unlikely in a reasonable universe.

 

Except after being brigged for 90% of the round I was given to the ERT for perma brigging. Going to do something and then not actually doing it doesn not change what he did do. Susupicious or not he ruined an antags round despite them complying and asnwering every with with the truth, then stated in character he didn't believe them, which is reasonable until they ruin an entire round for someone else because "muh valids".

Here's what the plan was if the HoS hadn't detained me for the entire round, the wizard(aka Snowball) was going to throw a party at likely the bar because she missed the other one. Showing off magic tricks and having everyone rp. After it started to slow she was going to teleport around giving out beers and all access passes with permits saying the person could do whatever they wanted. Literally none of this happened, none of it because I was stripped and detained indefinitely after being shot out. I went out of my way to cooperate and not hurt anyone dewspite having deadly spells and there was still heavy valid hunting.

None of this would have happened had I just thrown a fireball and teleported out of the brig, but instead I chose to cooperate for the rp and it got my entire round ruined. I've been wizard twice in my near two years of playing SS13 and lost my chance to let anyone have fun because of literally one players actions.

[hivefleetchicken]

This fashion of Space Lesbian Furry Freedom Force-esque 'I'll save you!!!' drama continues for a while, and then your Head of your department states that he needs an officer to, once again, passively escort you out.

 

Well, given that Inis is neither a lesbian nor a furry gives me the impression you are just throwing those terms around to insult and discredit me. Nice; classy.

 

Basically, what I see here, is an intruder is caught on the station. What do you do when someone from another station comes by? You hold them there until a transfer comes. Then I see the typical consistent trend (commonly found in medbay) where an unknown xeno comes aboard and is suddenly loved and sympathized with by every dyed-haired person on the station and protected to the death.

And she doesn't have dyed hair either.

I wasn't referring to your character but the trend itself, which can definitely, definitely be described as something you'd typically see an SSL doing.

[hivefleetchicken]

Anyways, the HoS wasn't the one failing at the interrogation in my eyes. It was the cadet and IA's fault for their frequent interruptions, and the wizard's for being dishonest. This is all very common in wizard rounds. A wizard lying in an interrogation is no reason for a complaint, but neither is a HoS reacting demandingly to the lying. IT'S A DELIBERATE MORAL FEATURE OF THE ROUND TYPE.

I don't see how ANY of this warrants a complaint at all.

 

And who are you to say whether or not the wizard was 'lying'? How do you know that the wizard, ICly, wasn't actually going to a party and got lost?

And, beyond that, did we all forget what the purpose of a head of staff on this server is supposed to be? Your job s not to lock down an antag who hasnt even done anything yet solely because he's an antag, and turn the round into extended for everyone but you and your power complex. When you take an antag and lock them in the brig - Interrogation, solitary, communal, whatever - Without any valid reason beyond 'Oh he has powers he might be a threat even though he hasn't done anything', you're for one being a dick to the player, or two abusing your power as a head of staff, and three, you're just being a plain fucking shitter.

This is the kind of thing I would have ahelped, repeatedly, until it was handled by a moderator if I'd seen it, and I think you need to reconsider what the purpose of security, antags, and a head of staff is on a /heavy roleplay server/ (Or at least whats supposed to be a heavy roleplay server) is.

 

Woah, woah. Slow down there, slugger. I think you're missing my argument entirely.

I NEVER said locking down an antag and bucklecuffing them in solitary was chill.

However.

I don't see any extensive measures made to take the antag out of the round. The HoS was questioning them in interrogation, not dosing them with soporific and muzzling them in a welded locker. He was giving him an extensive period to explain himself, and then, stated they would be let go.

The wizard's story was unfortunately unbelievable, since it was clear the wizard had battle gear. I'm not one to say if they were lying or not, but they possessed possibly dangerous and unpredictable gear, which lead to a more complex interrogation needing to be conducted, which never happened due to the (IMO) overzealous response of the insubordinates.

Why the heated rhetoric?

[EORhappiness]

This fashion of Space Lesbian Furry Freedom Force-esque 'I'll save you!!!' drama continues for a while, and then your Head of your department states that he needs an officer to, once again, passively escort you out.

 

Well, given that Inis is neither a lesbian nor a furry gives me the impression you are just throwing those terms around to insult and discredit me. Nice; classy.

 

just- Really getting tired of all the bashing going around. Why? If you don't like lesbians, Gays, Trans or furries. Then let me give you some friendly advice- Ignore it and move on without saying anything. As Many would say "If you don't have somthing nice to say, Don't say anything"

Besides- this is supposed to be a place do civilly discuss things civilly and to iron out issues, even if you get upset there is a professional way to do so. Tossing around slurs and other terms in an offensive manner is not appropriate. Now- I have seen you use them quite a few times on the forums before, I don't know is you are trying to be offensive, or just don't care, Or if you don't realize it's offensive(witch I would hope is the case) But I would just like to ask everyone to please tone it down a little bit. We can discuss this civilly with everyone still being respected for who they are.

Additional note: Sorry if this came out seeming like I was angry or somthing- I'm really not, I just wanted to extend the reminder that there are Actual Lesbians and Actual Furries In our community and that terms used in such a manner can be offensive- lets try and keep everyone in respects here please. Thank you for your time- Sorry for the irrelevant post here, Just trying to help, And I hope everyone has a wonderful day .

[Dreamix]

This fashion of Space Lesbian Furry Freedom Force-esque 'I'll save you!!!' drama continues for a while, and then your Head of your department states that he needs an officer to, once again, passively escort you out.

Well, given that Inis is neither a lesbian nor a furry gives me the impression you are just throwing those terms around to insult and discredit me. Nice; classy.

just- Really getting tired of all the bashing going around. Why? If you don't like lesbians, Gays, Trans or furries. Then let me give you some friendly advice- Ignore it and move on without saying anything. As Many would say "If you don't have somthing nice to say, Don't say anything"

Besides- this is supposed to be a place do civilly discuss things civilly and to iron out issues, even if you get upset there is a professional way to do so. Tossing around slurs and other terms in an offensive manner is not appropriate. Now- I have seen you use them quite a few times on the forums before, I don't know is you are trying to be offensive, or just don't care, Or if you don't realize it's offensive(witch I would hope is the case) But I would just like to ask everyone to please tone it down a little bit. We can discuss this civilly with everyone still being respected for who they are.

Additional note: Sorry if this came out seeming like I was angry or somthing- I'm really not, I just wanted to extend the reminder that there are Actual Lesbians and Actual Furries In our community and that terms used in such a manner can be offensive- lets try and keep everyone in respects here please. Thank you for your time- Sorry for the irrelevant post here, Just trying to help, And I hope everyone has a wonderful day :dontusesmiliesD.

You clearly don't seem to see the difference between actual lesbian/gay characters, and SSL's.

Actual, normal homosexuals are, well, normal people. You won't notice that a character is gay, just by merely looking at them. They are normal, they come to Aurora to work. They don't go around flashing their gay-ness. See: Jason Finn, a perfectly normal character, I found out that he's gay by hovering over him as a ghost. I haven't seen Finn any recently, probably because I'm not playing as much as I used to.

SSL (from: suicide space lesbian, most likely a joke term): usually a stereotypical female. Usually with dyed hair, dressed in dresses, whispers and cuddles in maintenance/medbay lobby/wherever with their waifus/loved ones, while ignoring work. May be a male/female that's looking for a "booty"/partner, while as usual, ignoring the actual work. May, but doesn't need to, actually suicide over a loss of the beloved one/rejection. Characters, that wander around/SSD/AFK because their ERP partner isn't there also count. See: (I don't want to actually write down the IC/OOC names of those, so yeah) countless medbay nurses.

Edit: Also, I'm not even going to be explaining why "If you don't have somthing nice to say, Don't say anything"-mindset is wrong. This is, uh, not how it works. If your things are bad (such as bad haircut, terrible grammar mistakes, horribly executed lesbian characters), you need "collide with/meet the reality". Life's hard, any by creating a utopia/utopistic/paradise praise-only world, nothing has even a chance become better, there's no improvement. How many artists improved, only because someone wrote a angry rant, explaining why their shit is actually shitty, and why they should improve? Sometimes, you just need a gentle (or not) nudge from life. Because, life's hard +stuff about life giving you lemons.

I'd like to remain neutral here, through.

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Back on topic:

Here's what the plan was if the HoS hadn't detained me for the entire round, the wizard(aka Snowball) was going to throw a party at likely the bar because she missed the other one. Showing off magic tricks and having everyone rp. After it started to slow she was going to teleport around giving out beers and all access passes with permits saying the person could do whatever they wanted. (...)

(...)I've been wizard twice in my near two years of playing SS13 and lost my chance to let anyone have fun because of literally one players actions.

What...

We are HRP server. Players, by letting you have fun (which is a relative/conditional/undefinable term), wouldn't roleplay (as in the rules) "believable" characters. If anyone, especially the HoS, let you party, they would be fired (I'm 100% sure of this one). In my (humble) opinion, HoS's roleplay was held at higher standard, not because he "permabrigged" you (and he didn't, as IIRC Hive explained), but because he actually roleplayed a believable/realistic/sane character.

If the round was actually canon, your white cat would be executed/imprisoned forever by NT.

If the round was actually canon, Truesight would probably be fired forever, for risking NT's assets/helping the intruer.

NT probably doesn't like their high-security areas infiltrated/damaged.

"I lost my way to the party" is not a valid excuse, that doesn't even sound like a serious answer.

B-b-but FUN?! I want to have my fun, mister angry doggie?

We are a HRP server. I personally believe that HoS's roleplay was actually the best that round. What HoS's wouldn't try to protect his shit (station, crew, NT's business there)?

B-b-but FUN?! Others can post memes, and stuff?

You are not others. Others (such as halo's OOC behavior, or spouting memes during other rounds) aren't the subject of this complaint. This particular round/HoS/player IC behavior is.

Edited November 30, 2015 by Guest

[hivefleetchicken]

This fashion of Space Lesbian Furry Freedom Force-esque 'I'll save you!!!' drama continues for a while, and then your Head of your department states that he needs an officer to, once again, passively escort you out.

 

Well, given that Inis is neither a lesbian nor a furry gives me the impression you are just throwing those terms around to insult and discredit me. Nice; classy.

 

just- Really getting tired of all the bashing going around. Why? If you don't like lesbians, Gays, Trans or furries. Then let me give you some friendly advice- Ignore it and move on without saying anything. As Many would say "If you don't have somthing nice to say, Don't say anything"

Besides- this is supposed to be a place do civilly discuss things civilly and to iron out issues, even if you get upset there is a professional way to do so. Tossing around slurs and other terms in an offensive manner is not appropriate. Now- I have seen you use them quite a few times on the forums before, I don't know is you are trying to be offensive, or just don't care, Or if you don't realize it's offensive(witch I would hope is the case) But I would just like to ask everyone to please tone it down a little bit. We can discuss this civilly with everyone still being respected for who they are.

Additional note: Sorry if this came out seeming like I was angry or somthing- I'm really not, I just wanted to extend the reminder that there are Actual Lesbians and Actual Furries In our community and that terms used in such a manner can be offensive- lets try and keep everyone in respects here please. Thank you for your time- Sorry for the irrelevant post here, Just trying to help, And I hope everyone has a wonderful day .

 

We need more people like you, who can take a step back after a heated post and say "look, I ain't even mad."

I'll use smilies to level the playing field with you.

Realistic lesbians aren't the problem at all, in fact I really stand up for those with a respect for their sexual preference. The problem I often point to when referring to "SPACE lesbian", and not "lesbian", is the population of the crew composed of trashy, aggressive, edgy, Mary Sue/snowflake women, played by people who have little grasp of ACTUAL homosexuality, and deter to performing /me commands of their "breasts becoming erect" if someone asks them if they've lost weight. It's a minority deserving of the stigma, in my own opinion, and it's a shame I have to take the risk of insulting actual lesbianic/homosexual individuals in the first place when bringing them up.

This is all off topic, but I feel that your friendly post was deserving of a response.

EDIT: damn, dreamix sniped me

[Frances]

If the round was actually canon, your white cat would be executed/imprisoned forever by NT.

If the round was actually canon, Truesight would probably be fired forever, for risking NT's assets/helping the intruer.

NT probably doesn't like their high-security areas infiltrated/damaged.

"I lost my way to the party" is not a valid excuse, that doesn't even sound like a serious answer.

I actually disagree with this, yet I'm still opposed to the complaint or punishment being handed out.

See, the whole thing about the wizard round is that it relies on players enforcing their suspension of disbelief and giving the wizard some leeway. Yes, there's violent wizards that teleport around while doing annoying stuff and fighting most of security, but these aren't extraordinary fun. The best wizard rounds I've seen come when the station goes "Okay, yes, you might be a dangerous intruder that teleported onto a secure research station without as much as an explanation, but since this is already incredibly fucking weird and we can't really stop you let's see where this is headed."

This is described as "playing along with the wizard", and while it's hard to get everyone in a round to play along, it's a lot easier when the wizard is civil, nonviolent, and you have some smart members of command ready to organize and defuse things (they wouldn't /necessarily/ be fired by NT either, it's all about attitude in approaching a highly unusual problem).

Now, were the actions that prevented the wizard from executing their plan and interacting with most of the crew Halo's fault? I think not, for the following reasons:

• -The wizard did unfortunately teleport into the most secure areas of the station by accident while casting an EMP
  
  -The wizard, although nonviolent, was honestly pretty difficult to cooperate with - from looking at those logs she mostly seemed to be yelling at the HoS while spouting some ridiculous and nonsensical story
  
  -The HoS' security crew actually made the interrogation incredibly difficult to swiftly process, as they kept trying to question and override the HoS' orders for pretty silly reasons (some of them were outright meta)

 

I cryo'd very early in the round and kinda regret not staying in sec to tell people to stop being retards, but from what I was able to observe the wizard just got caught in unfortunate circumstances, and then her interrogation took most of the round because people were being incredibly idiotic about it (such as by starting a lengthy debate on having an unknown intruder cuffed/uncuffed when uncuffing them would've had no effect whatsoever, and it was probably better to humor the HoS).

Now, I can't speak for Halo here, but I'm pretty sure he didn't have a chance to release you, as the whole "arresting the wizard" business took two hours because of people trying to obstruct and question it, and then the round transferred out :L

[Dreamix]

(...)

I actually disagree with this, yet I'm still opposed to the complaint or punishment being handed out.(...)

(...)This is described as "playing along with the wizard", and while it's hard to get everyone in a round to play along, it's a lot easier when the wizard is civil, nonviolent, and you have some smart members of command ready to organize and defuse things (they wouldn't /necessarily/ be fired by NT either, it's all about attitude in approaching a highly unusual problem)(...)

(...)Now, were the actions that prevented the wizard from executing their plan and interacting with most of the crew Halo's fault? I think not, for the following reasons: (...)

Why do you disagree, Frances-senpai.

Sure, there's "playing along with the wizard".

But there's also "playing along/acting in non-suspicious manner/not insulting/actually cooperating with security".

You can't help someone, if that someone doesn't want to let you help him.

Imagine, if the wizard wasn't doing what she was doing, calmly asking the cadet/IAA to leave, telling non-bullshit to the HoS, cooperating. Wouldn't it be easier?

And, yeah, I actually interrogated once (or twice) a peaceful wizard, I tried to ask them for proper ID's/documentation/passports. I also played as my security officer, escorting wizards countless times.

 

Yes, there's violent wizards that teleport around while doing annoying stuff and fighting most of security, but these aren't extraordinary fun. The best wizard rounds I've seen come when the station goes "Okay, yes, you might be a dangerous intruder that teleported onto a secure research station without as much as an explanation, but since this is already incredibly fucking weird and we can't really stop you let's see where this is headed."

I actually like those "explody" rounds. You don't have to find out if the wizard is hostile, it was a bluespace accident, or if he missed his party.

Peaceful wizards just come, without any official documents, act quite literally like kids ("are you really saying, that I can't EMP randomly, and that the armoury is a restricted/highly secure place?"), counting on the crew to let them wander around, demanding all-access ID's from heads, with the only argument being "I'm a wizard, do what I want, or I will file a complaint about you not playing along with the wizard" (albeit, not literally, I believe that's usually the atmosphere, during peace-wizard rounds).

No, I don't believe that deleting wizards completely is a good idea. Yes, there are people who sometimes enjoy wizard rounds.

Yes, I have an idea, on how to enhance wizard-crew experience. Fairly easy one, I believe. See how the gemmed/encrusted/ /whatever/Iforgottheword-spell works? Add a few more spells, maybe Adam-Jensen suit set, trenchcoat, jackboots, sunglasses, maybe some futuristic psyker suits, maybe a clown suit, who knows?

[Frances]

I definitely think the round would have gone along easier if the wizard had been nicer and more serious with the HoS. This is not the player punishing the wizard for being rude to him, but rather the natural reaction which should be expected to someone being rude, pushy and obscure.

Both combat and non-combat rounds with wizards can be fun.

I think Halo did his fair share in trying to create a reasonable situation for the round, given the circumstances. The wizard would likely have had the chance to do more had the round not ended so early, and had the HoS' staff not slowed him down so much.

[EORhappiness]

We need more people like you, who can take a step back after a heated post and say "look, I ain't even mad."

I'll use smilies to level the playing field with you.

Realistic lesbians aren't the problem at all, in fact I really stand up for those with a respect for their sexual preference. The problem I often point to when referring to "SPACE lesbian", and not "lesbian", is the population of the crew composed of trashy, aggressive, edgy, Mary Sue/snowflake women, played by people who have little grasp of ACTUAL homosexuality, and deter to performing /me commands of their "breasts becoming erect" if someone asks them if they've lost weight. It's a minority deserving of the stigma, in my own opinion, and it's a shame I have to take the risk of insulting actual lesbianic/homosexual individuals in the first place when bringing them up.

This is all off topic, but I feel that your friendly post was deserving of a response.

EDIT: damn, dreamix sniped me

 

Right- allow me to clarify(last post promise! sorry forummins ) SSL- the stereotypical ones- oh yes I totally Agree and they should be tackled around a bit- I thought wat was meant /WAS/ normal lesbians/furries. I didnt catch the SSL part- Sorry! , But yeah- if its just the extreems you guys are talking about its cool- extremist /anything/ is bad typically, like I said I was just trying to pass along a friendly reminder and try and cool off a heated post, now- lets all get back to having a calm collected civilized discussion on this. My following posts will be relevent.

[Kazkin]

The situation is resolved, go ahead and close the thread. The whole ordeal made one of the few times I've ever been wizard pointless, the only thing I take from this is as wizard (or any antag) is don't give any benefit of the doubt to security. I'll approach situations the same as antag but once someone, anyone, pulls a gun or tries to stop me from this point forward I'll let the dice roll and what happens is decided by who is the most robust. Cooperating with security for the rp ruined my round and in the future I won't do that again. That is clearly what I'm taking from this thread and if anyone has a problem with it I'll try to roleplay antag moments UNTIL someone goes red text, at that point I won't bother roleplaying.

[halorocks22]

The situation is resolved, go ahead and close the thread. The whole situation made one of the few times I've ever been wizard pointless, the only thing I take from this is as wizard (or any antag) is don't give any benefit of the doubt to security. I'll approach situations the same as antag but once some, anyone, pulls a gun from this point forward I'll let the dice roll and what happens is decided by who is the most robust. Cooperating with security for the rp ruined my round and in the future I won't do that again.

 

Sorry I ended up ruining your party, mate. You had a bad experience, but please know that I was trying my best to prevent what happened.

[Skull132]

Complaint resolved by involved parties themselves. Archiving.