Unban appeal 'Round Two'

[MetaphysicalPersona]

BYOND Key: MetaphysicalPersona

Total Ban Length: Permanent

Banning staff member's Key: Deatacita

Reason of Ban: "Unrealistic" Character ---> http://aurorastation.org/r/records/index.php?uid=metaphysicalpersona_seon-rinvonilldenberg

Reason for Appeal: So I can make a new character and prove myself worthy. (Can't really make a new character if I can't play)

[Serveris]

So, before we discuss this any further, can we see what progress you've made on this new, much more realistic character that you're talking about. What did you have in mind? Records? Flavor text? Backstory? Anything that you could use here to convince us that you are truly willing to come to terms with the reasoning behind your ban? This would be the best place to get constructive criticism laid out.

[SierraKomodo]

If you need someone to help you come up with realistic records that better fit in with the lore, toss me a PM with what you have and we can see what we can come up with from there

[MagnificentMelkior]

I recommend you don't write records unless you really want to and just do the in lobby chargen stuff.

[Eliot Clef]

I recommend you don't write records unless you really want to and just do the in lobby chargen stuff.

 

The reason behind this person's ban was having exceedingly improper characters, and a condition for unbanning was (if I'm not mistaken) to come up with a reasonable character to show to staff. While maybe records aren't the necessary way to convey this, it is one applicable way to do so, and the primary vehicle through which this disciplinary action / response exchange has been conveyed.

[Mofo1995]

I recommend you don't write records unless you really want to and just do the in lobby chargen stuff.

 

The reason behind this person's ban was having exceedingly improper characters, and a condition for unbanning was (if I'm not mistaken) to come up with a reasonable character to show to staff. While maybe records aren't the necessary way to convey this, it is one applicable way to do so, and the primary vehicle through which this disciplinary action / response exchange has been conveyed.

The reason for the ban actually was records. Seon's roleplay improved dramatically in her last days and Meta was doing very well and really learned how to temper and moderate their actions. The reason she was banned was because her records were discovered and found to be unbelievable, Dea told her to fix them and there seemed to be problems accomplishing that.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

So, before we discuss this any further, can we see what progress you've made on this new, much more realistic character that you're talking about. What did you have in mind? Records? Flavor text? Backstory? Anything that you could use here to convince us that you are truly willing to come to terms with the reasoning behind your ban? This would be the best place to get constructive criticism laid out.

 

A 20-22 year old nurse that is in med school. Has flamboyant pink hair, was born in south Africa on earth. No criminal back ground. Work experience technical assistance.

[Guest]

So, before we discuss this any further, can we see what progress you've made on this new, much more realistic character that you're talking about. What did you have in mind? Records? Flavor text? Backstory? Anything that you could use here to convince us that you are truly willing to come to terms with the reasoning behind your ban? This would be the best place to get constructive criticism laid out.

 

A 20-22 year old nurse that is in med school. Has flamboyant pink hair, was born in south Africa on earth. No criminal back ground. Work experience technical assistance.

 

 

What's the issue with making someone that has white skin, brown hair, green eyes and was born on a space station, for instance?

Making your character stick out externally without anything interesting going for them on the inside is a recipe for disaster, man. I don't think you've put much thought into the same points that were discussed with you before the ban was put into place

[SierraKomodo]

So, before we discuss this any further, can we see what progress you've made on this new, much more realistic character that you're talking about. What did you have in mind? Records? Flavor text? Backstory? Anything that you could use here to convince us that you are truly willing to come to terms with the reasoning behind your ban? This would be the best place to get constructive criticism laid out.

 

A 20-22 year old nurse that is in med school. Has flamboyant pink hair, was born in south Africa on earth. No criminal back ground. Work experience technical assistance.

 

 

What's the issue with making someone that has white skin, brown hair, green eyes and was born on a space station, for instance?

Making your character stick out externally without anything interesting going for them on the inside is a recipe for disaster, man. I don't think you've put much thought into the same points that were discussed with you before the ban was put into place

 

Honestly, aside from the flamboyant pink hair (Which, let's be honest, we have several characters with unnatural hair colors that are accepted), I'd say this is a good start.

[Guest]

Yes, it's a better start than where he was awhile ago, but the obligatory "flamboyant pink hair" plug raises a yellow flag.

[Zundy]

What's the issue with making someone that has white skin

 

Woah slow down there Goebbels!

On the face of this character seems OK. I say another chance!

[MetaphysicalPersona]

So, before we discuss this any further, can we see what progress you've made on this new, much more realistic character that you're talking about. What did you have in mind? Records? Flavor text? Backstory? Anything that you could use here to convince us that you are truly willing to come to terms with the reasoning behind your ban? This would be the best place to get constructive criticism laid out.

 

A 20-22 year old nurse that is in med school. Has flamboyant pink hair, was born in south Africa on earth. No criminal back ground. Work experience technical assistance.

 

 

What's the issue with making someone that has white skin, brown hair, green eyes and was born on a space station, for instance?

Making your character stick out externally without anything interesting going for them on the inside is a recipe for disaster, man. I don't think you've put much thought into the same points that were discussed with you before the ban was put into place

 

If I didn't put flamboyant pink hair it would of seem pretty normal... I don't see why you guys have to discriminate so hard, it's just hair and why do think I should be banned for making characters that are a bit weird? Everyone has their quirks.

[Gollee]

To be fair, Inis had fricking neon blue hair until a month or so ago; and she has NEVER been complained about.

[Guest]

i don't recall inis injecting other crew member's blood into their liquor

I assume we're making judgements case-by-case and avoiding blanketing our arguments with consistency regarding character stereotypes.

Crux of the issue is that the OP did some rather insane nonsense that breaks even the standards modern-day aurora has. They said they would leave, now they are back, yet one small sign of an attribute that is, quite frankly, attached to the common snowflake... just sticks out to me.

It's neither paranoia nor prejudice, it's legitimate concern that the OP might've come back here yet may have learned utterly nothing about the issues that were discussed with them not-so-long-ago.

I'm all for second chances (having been given third, fourth and fifth myself), but I'm fairly certain the OP hasn't made a reasonable case that PROVES they understand what happened, why it happened and why staff reacted accordingly.

So unless the OP wants to prove me wrong (which I'm really hoping for tbh), I'm resting my case here.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

i don't recall inis injecting other crew member's blood into their liquor

 

You must be really scarred from that incident...

[SierraKomodo]

i don't recall inis injecting other crew member's blood into their liquor

 

To be fair, whether a character has flamboyant pink hair or is a wallflower brunette, it's not going to change the character's personality/attitude. That's not really an issue that's relevant to the records ban reason.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

...So I can't have pink hair?

[MetaphysicalPersona]

Well, I have a straight forward "normal" character with pink hair now. Is that not a reason to unbann?

[Dreamix]

It's like if making "normal" characters is bad.

Not everyone needs to be a "quirky", "different", "unique" and "special" neon-haired teenage girl. That would only result in lesbian ERP, and everyone praising other SSL's tragic backstories.

We need more "normal" characters.

Edit: Also, stop double/triple posting, please. It's fucking annoying to read.

Edited January 22, 2016 by Guest

[Skull132]

I'm kind of. 50/50 on this.

Like, okay, as a straight answer to your question: no. Anyone is capable of making a mundane character, but that's not really what your ban is about.

Tell me, in your own words, why do you think we banned you? And we'll go from there.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

I'm kind of. 50/50 on this.

Like, okay, as a straight answer to your question: no. Anyone is capable of making a mundane character, but that's not really what your ban is about.

Tell me, in your own words, why do you think we banned you? And we'll go from there.

 

Because Seon-rin Von Illdenberg was too unrealistic in the records.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

Is anyone going to unbann me now?

[Skull132]

Sorry, I passed out after writing the reply. Anyways, it's going to be rather hard to discuss this without giving you the answers outright, but sure.

The thing you should probably understand, and I hope you do (as otherwise we'll just end up repeating this spiel soon enough), is that unique character's aren't necessarily bad, but there's a limit. There's also nothing wrong with playing a mundane character, mind you. But, you were contacted around 5 or more times, over the span of a month, regarding the same issue. You did not take our guidance, and were eventually banned for the issue remaining unfixed. A few of our staff even offered to help. Same story on both appeals: people, staff and non-staff, offered to help, and you kinda just did your own thing. Which ended with the first appeal denied. Like, when people offer help, it might be an idea to consider it. Or at least accepting their input.

Why do I say this? Because right now, it just looks like you're going through the motions, either defeated or not really thinking about it. I don't think this is something we want to happen, though that's just me.

Thoughts?

[MetaphysicalPersona]

Sorry, I passed out after writing the reply. Anyways, it's going to be rather hard to discuss this without giving you the answers outright, but sure.

The thing you should probably understand, and I hope you do (as otherwise we'll just end up repeating this spiel soon enough), is that unique character's aren't necessarily bad, but there's a limit. There's also nothing wrong with playing a mundane character, mind you. But, you were contacted around 5 or more times, over the span of a month, regarding the same issue. You did not take our guidance, and were eventually banned for the issue remaining unfixed. A few of our staff even offered to help. Same story on both appeals: people, staff and non-staff, offered to help, and you kinda just did your own thing. Which ended with the first appeal denied. Like, when people offer help, it might be an idea to consider it. Or at least accepting their input.

Why do I say this? Because right now, it just looks like you're going through the motions, either defeated or not really thinking about it. I don't think this is something we want to happen, though that's just me.

Thoughts?

Now... Since you said your views in your third person perspective it is time I tell what happened from my eyes. I did not just simply ignore anyone... I took feedback from the community to make a better character which is what I did and the whole reason I created ---> http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=4505&start=90 RP wise Seon changed completely she wasn't a dumb annoying character going around causing mischief anymore it was more mess with her and see what'll happen now, Everything was golden at that point no one was mad at her and ICly wise she had/found more friends which was fun until the fire nation attacked... (Kidding lol) Until a admin came at my neck insulting my character greatly (Constructively) and came hard at my records saying it was unrealistic and not "Hire able" which in retrospect Seon is really a crazy character if you look at the records and kind of read it out load to yourself...

 

Seon is a 19 year old half Korean half German (German nobility, apparently, if the Von is anything to off of) genetically engineered genius lab assistant bio engineer scientist police officer whose physical appearance seems to have been based off of a drawing you liked. Also, she distrusts authority and gets into trouble with the law nearly every round.

 

Idk what drawing he's talking about, but yes that sounds crazy a bit indeed but changing too much will make the character not herself anymore and technically killing her and I don't want that really in fact no one wants their character to be someone different from how they made them. I did change it enough to be looked through a say this is unorthodox but acceptable but that is not my say it's kinda up to you (Read that)---> http://aurorastation.org/r/records/index.php?uid=metaphysicalpersona_seon-rinvonilldenberg But on the other hand I'm making a simple of simple characters.... a nurse nothing insane, just because I said "Flamboyant pink hair" shouldn't be a reason to stop me from making a new character.

That said may I be unbanned now?

P.S Even though I said goodbye I forgot I'm not the type of person to give up or be let down by anything I've been depressed 3 times this is nothing to me I'm a true warrior

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4706&hilit=seon&start=20

[Skull132]

I'll toss this to the other admins to review over the next 24hrs. We'll have a decision by then.

While I like your spirit, running against a wall without much thought can end rather terribly. The thing is, not all characters and works of fiction are a good fit for this place. That is where Seon was caught: she might fit pet fiction, but by our judgement, she is not fit for our roleplay environment. Nothing wrong with that, but trying to drive that nail through will just end with it getting more and more blunted. If you can recognize that, then you have my support on getting unbanned.