ForgottenTraveller, Gollee

[ForgottenTraveller]

As a clarification. I am not threatening to quit. At the resolution of this. Given other previous events as well. I am considering leaving. While the outcome of this may hold some weight in the final decision. My leaving under my own terms may happen regardless of the outcome of this complaint. It is a catalyst for this process only.

As for the points you brought up Garn

We did not know JB had permission until AFTER the incident. All admins we asked had no idea. Gollee had no idea, and was in round.

As for why I did not ask JB himself. Prior incidents with ambassadors have resulted in him misleading us in OOC as to actual permissions for things.

As for why it couldn't 'have just ended with a "yo wait for us next time" and then jackboot could be like "you're right that was my bad".' - That's what happened last time. He learnt nothing from it. And as you can see from prior posts 'your bad' over 'my bad' is more often the response.

As for 'Why couldnt it have just been like "oh...you dont have an escort, oh well guess they got tied up in bluespace! heres some now! (poke an admin)".' We did that last time. And he was told not to do it again. He did it again. And we poked you. On how we wanted to handle it. And ended up having to get Table and Tish instead.

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[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

We did not know JB had permission until AFTER the incident.

You didn't ask me. I repeat that I provided you with the necessary proof within seconds of looking for it. If you had asked me in discord we could have avoided this extremely unfortunate situation.

It has been established that jackboot had permission from gollee as well as dea to come aboard as an ambassador.

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Prior incidents with ambassadors have resulted in him misleading us in OOC as to actual permissions for things.

When?

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That's what happened last time. He learnt nothing from it.

Except I literally did everything I was supposed to do. Your side is the one that made the mistake here. I literally asked Dea in the staff discord chat and she said yes after getting gollee to say yes in a PM. You could have asked me to prove I had the permission.

It has been established that jackboot had permission from gollee as well as dea to come aboard as an ambassador.

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We did that last time. And he was told not to do it again. He did it again.

Last time I spawned without asking for an escort, yes. I had gone with like 4 ambassadors in a row that weren't the Unathi (the only one that needs an escort) and just naturally went in as the Unathi. Because at the time I didn't remember the really weird extra steps I needed to take. Because Skull had only literally just told me. Unfortunately, I have yet to achieve perfection, so I'm prone to making mistakes. That is how we learn in life - make a mistake, learn from it, move on.

This time I did. I asked DO's and an admin. Both cleared it. You are making a wrong statement. I've said this in every other post. Garnascus did too. Address it please.

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Oh, there it is. "My eye is almost twitching in rage."

I guess you really do think I'm just burning the rules and running around self-antagging. I guess that explains why you threw the hammer down. You were really angry, unless I'm misreading here. I don't want to make a judgement of your character.

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I think this entire situation is blown way the fuck out of proportion

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I'm not asking either side to be the bigger man and apologize or anything

I am. I'm not going to be satisfied unless this sort of "assuming the worst" and quietly throwing fits about me in secret chats and trying to make an example out of me stops. They danced around me and did zero attempt to communicate with me, when I've made it clear literally on the first page of this complaint that I had everything sorted on my end and it was them that dropped the ball.

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Because Jackboot already had special provisions on his ambassadors because of previous events; he violated those provisions TWICE in three days.

 

Once again, just so we're clear,

Skull told me directly that it was only the Unathi ambassador Izweski that needs to be given an escort when he boards the station. I'm out of your hair if I'm anyone else. But this sort of behavior has made me not want to do this at all and I've been discouraging everyone else from boarding the station because of the attitude from the DO Division.

(This isn't ad hominem hopefully because it's the DO organization as a whole that you've now made me lose all faith in rather than any of you personally, and that's something to save for a feedback thread anyway.)

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I think you're both being kinda dumb here to be honest.

I'm willing to live with that and admit most of my snark has been because of how extremely silly I think it is that this situation happened at all, and how FT is arguing from a dozen different stances. "You should have told DO's to give you an escort" yet "DO's are not responsible for escorts" yet "As a DO I sent in troopers (one of which could have just been your escort????) the moment we get your fax"

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It has been established that jackboot had permission from gollee as well as dea to come aboard as an ambassador. Admins being the only ones capable of spawning escorts puts this in a bit of an awkward spot. Dea should have probably made sure some escorts where spawned in for you, you also could have and should have communicated in ahelps about it)WhERez MAh EsC0RTSSS). Thats really as far as your blame in this goes jackboot

 

I will say again that the only thing I did wrong was continue to exist on the station. I spent most of the time waiting by rearranging the vacant office, because I had permission to be there and was waiting for an escort. Didn't get one. So I shrugged and moved on.

[Rechkalov]

This may come off as close to retarted, but-

We're an RP server, yada yada, we've been over this, the story is the focus.

I understand that you had a specific aim in mind, Senpai, and that their actions towards your character are antagonistic to what you we're going for, but frankly?

That incident sounds bloody cool.

What I would like to propose here would be to move this from Complaints to IC; heck, agree on a date with the other party and give the players something to talk about.

Have Unathi representatives board, mightily offended, and demand the handing over of the officers responsible for their diplomat's demise.

For the officers, try to explain that while possibly a misunderstanding occured, they were still within their rights.

All this while the captain sits helplessly in his office, sends fax after fax to CC and drinks himself to sleep.

Go at each other's throats while keeping in mind that you're trying not to spark a conflict, but to resolve one.

This could be fun, especially if circumstance were "tweaked" so as to give the players of the round an opportunity to decide the issue for themselves.

I understand emotions are going off the charts right now, but... again. The way you described the events that took place, they took a most interesting turn, and have considerable potential for elaboration - you could turn hurts into funs, and perhaps even (now I'm going all Friendship is Magic over this, but hell - I've gone this far) mend the relationship of you guys' a tad as you collaborate on hating each others' guts for the players' sake.

[CampinKiller]

The only problem with that is that when JB said it was canon, Gollee immediately declared it non-canon, per the first post.

[Gollee]

That is because Jackboot declared it canon in a fit of anger; and he doesn't have the authority to call CC shenanigans canon, that's my job. It was done specifically to fuck over players who had annoyed him OOCly.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

move this from Complaints to IC

I told Gollee that they made their choice and now had to run with it but now Gollee is telling me that the round isn't canon, despite no antagonist action having taken place or spurned the series of events, because

 

Read the op before posting oMG

 

That is because Jackboot declared it canon in a fit of anger; and he doesn't have the authority to call CC shenanigans canon, that's my job. It was done specifically to fuck over players who had annoyed him OOCly.

Wasn't it extended? Or at least I never saw any antagonist. The standard would have been to have it canon anyway. You're the one that made a special executive decision to go "no didn't happen" because you didn't want to deal with what happened in an IC way. What did you think I was going to do, declare war on Nanotrasen? The most I would do is demand you have your head DO whoever resign and replace him with someone, exactly what you asked me to do when my VIP fucked up. A slap on the wrist relatively speaking, and an interesting dilemma to play out IC, as well as being reasonable and fair.

The abuse of power accusation is this: You are an IC organization. DO interactions are canon. This has been set in a lot of precedents. This only changes when antagonist actions are involved. You broke precedent for no good reason in order to strip my ability to respond to this incident in a reasonable way and go any further, because you're worried I'd have fucked you over or something. It's clear that you have zero trust in my capabilities, which sucks, but that doesn't let you get away with making bad calls to fuck me over OOC'ly. The affair was silly and how you handled it was abusive of your position, rude, and insulting.

You made it impossible to deal with this IC because you think I'm throwing temper tantrums so now we have to deal with this in a staff complaint because you leave open zero avenues of dealing with it.

[Gollee]

I'd rather this was dealt with OOCly than ICly. You KNEW that you had to have an escort; you did not get an escort, it was the second time in three days. My DOs were backing out of it because you lied to them OOCly about something that happened related to your diplomats; when I saw you did not have an escort, I made an executive decision, supported by the admins on at the time, to remove you, because you were going against the conditions set by Skull, deliberately. For the second time. I am not going to be nice when you think that you can walk over things like that. I called it non-canon because you went off on one to such an extent to it being completely and utterly ridiculous.

To quote: ((Logs are on my phone, I can provide a proper link tomorrow))

Ziariuz Izweski stutters, "Eat m-my-y en-ntir-re ass-ss-ss-s-s. T-Th-hey-y'r-re s-ss-s-s-st-tation-n c-copies-ss-ss-s-ss-s."

Ziariuz Izweski says, "Fuck thisss sssshitty asss sssyssstem and it'sss repeated disssplay of idiotic usssage of weaponsss. CCIA Walterssss claered me."

The Duty Officer team is not here to enable you to do whatever you want. We also have no ability to call escorts, that is entirely between you and the admins, duty officers have nothing to do with it, period, so stop trying to drop that shit on us, when it is blatantly yours, and whoever on the admin team approved you's responsibility; I wouldn't blame the lore team for not having an escort, don't blame my team.

If you are going to point out that I approved you, so I should have talked to an admin to get you an escort. I was not even on the server at the time. I approved you over Discord. Again, to quote that:

Jackboot: May I board as unathi ambassador gollee-chan if I ask admins? Or tajara representative dependong on which species has most crew

Gollee: Yes.

That was the entirety of that conversation.

It's hardly an abuse of my position to stop you breaking Skull's restrictions that you are fully aware of; and yes, it was rude, that's a fact of the matter when you drag someone off the station after they tried to burn a load of paperwork in front of you; as a paperwork monkey, it CAN'T get more suspicious than that.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

You still haven't mentioned anything about lying, or the circumstances around it. The only time information was falsified was in an IC way when an antagonist forged a CC document, and you got super angry about it, saying that antagonists can't forge CC documents because it harms your OOC reputation, and that I self-antagged by being involved with an antag. Which is still bewildering for a number of reasons but whatever, I compromised and didn't deal with antags anymore after that.

I do not believe you when you say that DO's have no power to summon escorts. It's well within your power. As shown by you sending two troopers within a very quick time-frame. For it being completely outside your power, you sure had the power to get it done.

I didn't break the agreement, the admin that cleared me and didn't spawn an escort failed to do so. You failed to properly communicate. FT failed to properly handle the situation in a reasonable matter through communication to find the answers to his questions that he was asking admins that I was able to get within seconds.

The ambassador was angry because he was given clearance then detained on what he felt were dumb charges. You don't get to use an IC attitude to paint me as ridiculous OOC, unless you're claiming I self-insert into my characters.

Honestly this is becoming a broken record. I've been repeating the same things over and over again and all you do is repeat your same limes without providing context to your accusations. You outline your firm stance and lack of any incentive to have communicated with me. Based on this I really feel that action needs to be taken by administration or this complaint will not be resolved that handles the following:

 

• The lack of communication by Duty Officers in an OOC sense. Duty Officers will DO-PM the person in question to verify they're allowed to be on-station.
• The removal of requiring a babysitter for the single one of my character visitors, Zazarius Izweski.
  
• Only admin-consent being necessary for spawning in as a VIP, with DO awareness.

With the above done, this incident is kept non-canon and resolved, and hopefully not repeated.

Edited March 7, 2016 by Marlon Phoenix

[Gollee]

Points resloved, issues discussed, yada yada yada. Skull, stance on the escort removal/enforcement? That's your purview.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

It's been 12 days.

[Skull132]

Generally speaking, with the shenanigans that have kicked up around the Unathi ambassador in specific, some heightened form of security should be set up around them. Whether it be by an escort selected from the station's redshirts or an actual ERT officer I don't really care.

I do believe the rest is pleasantly governed by the doctrine Gollee and Kekboot wrote up in the heads of staff area.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

That's fine. A quick conversation about the specifics on that can be done outside this complaint. I consider this resolved now, thank you for responding.

[Garnascus]

Locking and archiving.