Player Complaint: Lord Fowl

[SierraKomodo]

BYOND Key: SierraKomodo

Player Byond Key: Lord Fowl (as Zultar Karjei)

Staff involved: Garnascus

Reason for complaint: I'll keep this short and sweet. He turned himself into a slime, unleqashed every single slime in xenobiology and left a large number of monkeys for them to feed ont to become a massive hive of slimes. He then went through a vent to the bridge, ganked and killed the captain (Rose Gizro), and split in the middle of the central hallway. Within five minutes half the crew was dead, slimes were all over the station, and the round ended due to an evacuation shuttle called by the AI (Myself).

This falls under mass gank in my books, and is an example of what NOT to do as an antag. I understamd this was handled in round, but I want to bring the issue up here so that everyone else can be aware that doing this with slimes is BAD and should not happend, period.

Approximate Date/Time: about 1 AM PST (4 AM Eastern), March 27.

[LordFowl]

Perhaps this is better suited for a PSA than a player complaint in that case. If you're not seeking a resolution, then all I see this doing is defaming my character.

It was quite the slimepocalypse, however. Very impressive from an objective standpoint, and a case in point presentation of how powerful slimes are compared to old-code. This would have never happened on old-code.

[Nanako]

For what it's worth, it was actually the Head of Personnel office he went to, the captain was there trying to process an ID upgrade for me. No words were spoken, she got ganked from behind while typing

Also i don't know what's happened, but the slimes are hurting way more now. i was in critical from one hit, and i collapsed and died shortly after taking a second hit while trying to drag away survivors. Their damage output is insane

[LordFowl]

The captain was gank, but I tried very hard to make it not so. Once I realized she was typing I got off her, but the damage was already done (Because slime damage as an adult is absurd). I also forgot slimes could actually talk until after I'd killed her. Altogether I could've handled the entire setup much better, and I've already got plans on how to do a better slimepocalypse in future.

[Jboy2000000]

I have an idea on how to do a slimepocolypse in the future: DON''T. Im not sure why you weren't properly reprimanded already, Im sure because it was Garn handling you, but mass gank by releasing huge amounts of slimes all at once shouldn't be okay.

[LordFowl]

I've got a better idea than that, Jboy, and this situation has already been handled, hence my confusion why there's a complaint about it.

[Jboy2000000]

I feel like before you think about doing anything, I should remind you of something.

 

No ganking. While antags will sometimes kill, it is expected for you to provide interesting roleplay to your targets first, if your goal is assassination. Collateral damage is acceptable within reason, but this means you must use common sense, and avoid creating scenarios with a lot of potential for collateral (setting bombs in high-traffic areas, etc.)

 

I am fairly sure releasing huge amounts of slimes, giving them the power to expand exponentially so they can get out and completely and utterly destroy the station because slimes are so stupidly and ridiculously deadly at the moment is actually going out of your way to unfairly create as much collateral damage as is possible. In short, maybe, you know, don't do it.

[LordFowl]

Jboy, I understand your urge to cut-in here, but perhaps you're not getting the message. I'll outline this all very clearly for everyone so that this thread can be properly archived:

1: Garnascus, a server administrator, has already spoken to me.

2: He outlined his concerns, even going so far as to cite the rule you've quoted and to explain why he was of the opinion that I broke it.

3: He made a decision based on his concerns, and while I don't necessarily agree with his concerns or the decision, I understand why they were made and am willing to accept them for what they are.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is. While Sierra made it out to be a PSA, it seems more like a venue for everyone to repeat and mimic the message Garnascus already gave me, and that I already understand. Thus I hope you don't hold it against me if I consider this thread rather pointless.

[Jboy2000000]

I don't think that really worked, because you already said about you already plan to break to mentioned rule again.

[LordFowl]

Aha! So you think Garnascus has somehow failed in reprimanding me? Perhaps that'd be a more appropriate concern to raise on a staff complaint, but I don't think we need to go that far. Let me quote the exact thing I said:

 

The captain was gank, but I tried very hard to make it not so. Once I realized she was typing I got off her, but the damage was already done (Because slime damage as an adult is absurd). I also forgot slimes could actually talk until after I'd killed her. Altogether I could've handled the entire setup much better, and I've already got plans on how to do a better slimepocalypse in future.

 

I've bolded the important sentence, and italicized the important word. You've misinterpreted that as desire to gank again, because you're taking it out of context. Let me rephrase it so this mis-understanding does not progress:

1: I do consider slimes an interesting antagonist method.

2: I do understand that the way I used them in this round was less than optimal for everyone involved, including myself.

3: I do believe there are ways to legitimately use slimes in a way that does not 'break the rules' but more importantly are fun for everyone involved.

4: Should I play xenobiology again as an antag, I will consider pursuing these better methods.

You seem to be of the opinion that I deliberately intend to break the rules again; I assure you that is a poor opinion to nurture. I don't really consider breaking the rules to be conducive to my health.

That misunderstanding cleared up, are there any further questions?

[Jboy2000000]

If you walk up to the captain, pull a revolver from your bag and remove their head with it, it's gank. Wearing a purple hat while doing it doesn't change the fact you're breaking that rule if you do that. Breaking a rule, is breaking a rule. Can slimes be an interesting antag method? SURE! Can you release the slimes en masse without breaking the rule? No. Gank is gank, en masse gank is gank as well. I don't think you seek to purposefully go out of your way to break the rules, I just think you're misunderstanding that what your describing will still do it.

[LordFowl]

1: Garnascus, a server administrator, has already spoken to me.

2: He outlined his concerns, even going so far as to cite the rule you've quoted and to explain why he was of the opinion that I broke it.

3: He made a decision based on his concerns, and while I don't necessarily agree with his concerns or the decision, I understand why they were made and am willing to accept them for what they are.

 

As far as I'm concerned, this thread is ten posts longer than it should be, and I have really no desire to continue it. This would be the point where the complainer or complained would request administrative arbitration. . .but that's already been given by Garnascus.

[Skull132]

Jboy, you should read the rules. Gank is not defined by the amount of people it affects. And well executed slimepocalypses or other mass casualty events are permitted, as long as they are, well, well executed. You may read further elaboration on the subject here: http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4453

Now, I request that you disengage from this conversation as you are not involved in the complaint. (And are thus violating the rules you are supposed to be enforcing.) Your concerns will remain here, and should an admin deem them valid in any way, they will be addressed.

[Garnascus]

We have long established and enforced as staff that mass murder can be valid. I do it almost everytime I manage to get antag. The staple here is you need quite a bit to justify it. Fowl went a bit too overboard in this situation for me to just warn. A small antag ban was applied, thats really as far as this goes. Unleashing the slime apocalypse can absolutely be a valid tactic. I've seen it done legit a few times.

A sticky in general or a server announcement would be a better place for this PSA. I will be locking and archiving this in 24 hours if nobody has anything else to add.