Complaint- Uriel Evans

[Kaed]

BYOND Key: Kaedwuff

Player Byond Key: Lordpwner

Staff involved: N/A

Reason for complaint: The behavior of the character Uriel Evans

Approximate Date/Time: Varied.

I don't believe there has been a thread like this on the forums before, so I am unsure how to really format this, or where to place it. It's not related to an administrative action, and it almost exclusively pertains to non-canon events (antag interactions) so this seemed like the best place.to make a start. This is, in effect, an attempt to form a class-action complaint against the behavior of the character Uriel Evans.

What is wrong with Uriel Evans? For the most part, not a lot. He behaves reasonably during normal shift behavior. He manages the station, keeps up with the other heads, and does his job. However, when round antagonist begin showing up, as they are wont to do nearly every round, it is when his behavior begins to break down. I haven't seen everything LordPwner has done as Uriel, but I can personally testify to one incident where Uriel decided that during a malf round it was okay to go to telescience and have them drop an EMP grenade directly into my core, then teleport in himself and demand I allow myself to be carded, or I would be telebombed - this was, I wish to clarify, before I had shown any hostile action, but after blue screens had shown up enough to make people suspicious. There was absolutely no preamble to this highly aggressive action against me, malf or not, and it was literally a gank.

Today, I witnessed him run up to a person holding the skrell HoP hostage (in neckgrab with a revolver in the other hand) and, unarmed, kick this traitor, completely ignoring the threat of the situation. He was subsequently shot, but that is sort of beside the point - he frequently acts in a fashion I can only describe as strongly leaning towards validhunting. I have heard complaints from other people on his behavior, and that it sucked the fun our of their antagonist experience, but I'm not here to give secondhand testimony. This is supposed to be a group testimony of people affected by the behavior of Captain Uriel Evans.

I do not wish for this to become a flame war. I imagine that not every incident involving Evans interacting with an antagonist is tainted with shitty behavior. So, I urge you to only post here if you have a valid complaint to lodge, about something that you feel breaks the spirit of what makes the game fun.

[hivefleetchicken]

I can testify to seeing this kind of behavior from Uriel as well.

He runs into the crossfire of firefights between sec and mercenaries and the like with little RP towards fear or self preservation.

He's got some careless kind of Rambo "chuckles everything off like a 'badass'" attitude that can be very irritating at times due to its cheesiness and valid hunting symptoms.

[Natwhite]

After looking into this, I I have found various issues with the way Lordpwner plays Uriel as captain and therefor will come to a conclusion soon.

But before that, I'd like to give Lordpwner time to respond to this complaint before moving this along.

[LordPwner]

With that one scene in mind given by Kaed, I have this as my defensive in the matter: One: None of my Command Staff told me about a deal, where it was going down, or anything of that nature. Two: I walked in on a guy with a gun to the HoP's head and nothing more. I shall Officers all around him and was wondering why they haven't just taken him down yet, since there were five, or six of them with the Commander. Three: I was trying to disarm him to get the HoP out of his grab and then duck behind a officer, however, I hit the '4' hotkey instead of '2' hotkey. And Lastly: If a deal was made as the HoS made, WHY was the GUNMAN, still HOLDING onto the HoP.

For defensive on the general complaint: While yes, Evans has been a 'ramboish' character. He has improved greatly and has become more defensively and non-valid hunting. Since I believe the last time I've done anything you would call 'valid hunting' would be over a week ago. While it has happened, I am improving and mistakes are made from time to time.

Otherwise, I have nothing else to bring to the table. Thank you for your time.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Guest

[Nikov]

I have found Uriel to be a very believable character overall and if a specific incident stemming from a lack of information makes him look like a badass once in a while, I'll just accept that Captain Evans is a badass, and only Evans will know how close he scraped by. The fact he appears to know he only scraped by, and apparently would have handled it differently with more information, means everything is fine to me.

[Kaed]

I don't know what you two are talking about in they last couple of posts, but running up to someone with a gun pointed at the head of a skrell HoP to try and knock the gun out of their hands - whether you accidentally were in harm intent instead is not exactly relevant so much as the intentions you had in your mind - is exactly the kind of nonsense this thread is talking about.

We could do with a whole lot less 'badassery' on this server and more 'thinking logically' The 'badass behavior' excuse reeks to me of trying to justify his actions retroactively It breeds a culture of not bothering to attempt hostage situations when security, captains, and passing engineers simply disregard the hostage and run at you, batons and disarm spam at the ready.

[LordPwner]

Since of Kaed's reply, I will explain. I would have NOT engaged if I knew there was a deal that went down. But since the manpower was around to take down the intruder, I thought it best to just take down the intruder, We had as I said like six or so security personnel and the Commander, then myself, thats Eight personnel. If I knew there had been a deal, I would have handled it differently, but as I said For my Last and Fourth point . The gun man was STILL holding onto the HoP It did NOT look as ANY deal had been made, and from my first point NONE of MY Command Staff, told me a thing besides the HoP has been taken.

As I said above, just to make SURE it is Clear. I would have probably avoided the whole damn thing if I knew A. Where it was. B. There was a deal. C. I knew it was under control.

One: I had no idea where it was, that 'rush' I tried was a flight/fight reply to the issue at hand since the gun-man was clearly threatening the life of the HoP And others around. Since I just walked in on it.

Two: I was NEVER told of any deal, no one spoke of one, that we had settled it in a peaceful manner, and part of me doesn't believe that happened, Since the HoP Was still being held at gunpoint by the man.

Three: Even with the out-numbering personnel, it was quite clear that Security was not on the winning side for field control. Since the Intruder STILL had the HoP and he had the lethals in hand. He was controlling the situation. While the Security Force was not on the winning side of the situation NOR did they control the situation.

I hope this has cleared things up since my first reply was not sufficient.

[Natwhite]

After looking into this complaint we've found that the situation with the head of personnel, "while being slightly questionable" Lordpwner didn't act outside the rules ect, based on the information available to Uriel at that time.

As for the AI one, This event was some time ago and he has received a warning for that particular incident.

We do understand there were issues with the way Lordpwner plays captain as Uriel, But since the official warning A while back, He's seemed to put effort into improving upon the behaviour.

I should also add that I did have a talk with lordpwner about his behaviour as captain and warned to keep it in check, also reminded that any further problems deemed as breaking RP or server rules, Will be punished more harshly since the warning is still in effect.

This complaint will be locked and archived in 24hours if anyone has anything else to add.

[Arrow768]

To my knowledge the captain has been informed that there is a Hostage situation ongoing and that the HoS is engaged in negotiations as well as that the situation is under control

If someone with log access can check this ?

Despite there being multiple officers as well as the HoS present, the the captain decided to take matters into his own hands and just walk up to the suspect and see if "he can be the hero that saves the day"

[LordPwner]

To my knowledge the captain has been informed that there is a Hostage situation ongoing and that the HoS is engaged in negotiations as well as that the situation is under control

If someone with log access can check this ?

Despite there being multiple officers as well as the HoS present, the the captain decided to take matters into his own hands and just walk up to the suspect and see if "he can be the hero that saves the day"

 

As I stated above, I was informed on the hostage situation ongoing. I was NOT told you by you even that negotiations were undergoing at that time. I was not told of the Security Personnel around the issue. Honestly I was left in the dark on every going on, even the location of this issue.

And I said before, If I had actually been told this information, I wouldn't walked in on it, I would have avoided it. I have been warned for past choices of mine running into combat and trying to be 'hero' as Arrow said. But overall I have wanted and I have improved.

But everything else I need to say on your statement is in my post about answering another question, I am just informing you to check it out.

[Shadow]

Completly forgot this.

Locking and archiving.