[DENIED]Sec-ban appeal. Roderick Grey.

[Roderick Grey]

BYOND Key: Roderick Grey

Total Ban Length: Perm

Banning staff member's Key: Severis

Reason of Ban: I can't find the exact wording so I'm hoping someone else can provide it, it was mainly a criticism of my sec play and was sparked by Severis thinking I rambo'd a hostage situation.

Reason for Appeal:

The Sec officer and the cuffed captain, walked passed me in the hallway unarmed, while on their way to the bridge, I was literally one tile behind the captain while in pursuit I followed them into the bridge with my baton out when they pulled an MK58 out, typically loaded with rubber ammo when this exchange occurred: http://i.imgur.com/yFL8m0L.png

To clarify almost the second the officer pulled the gun the A.I killed the lights, while they fumbled with their PDA I moved three tiles in the darkness, they turned on their PDA light, saw how close I was and started shooting the captain so I batoned them. Severis pm'd me and informed me I had rushed a standoff, which I really don't think represents the clumsy scenario this really was, neither I nor the captain were aware the officer had lethals, as they were using an MK58 the captain/"hostage" ordered me to stop them as it wasn't clear who they actually intended to use the gun on, the A.I killed the lights and I went for them. If the officer wanted it to be a hostage situation it should've been established a lot earlier, ideally before they walked past me in the hallway with the captain in cuffs.

Edited September 26, 2016 by Guest

[Pyrociraptor]

I was the said Captain. When the officer took me as a hostage, she didn't had any weapon (took me by surprise.)

She pulled her weapon out at the moment AI turned off the lights. So well, when I took the bullet, both Fenrir (Aka Roderick) and I were surprised about a Mk 58 being actually loaded with lethals.

[Guest]

I had it pulled out as soon as I saw you chasing me from the hallway, Roderick. That's wholly untrue.

I couldn't type a fluffy sentence saying "Hey I'm armed with lethals such and such" within 3 seconds because you were literally chasing me with the intent to wordlessly stun baton me.

Glad you switched sides from rev over to loyalist to pursue antag valids, Roderick. That is incredibly characteristic of you, and you've been toeing a very fine line for a loooong time. It is no surprise you have a permanent secban now.

You did rambo a hostage situation. you ignored me typing (I even have typing indicator on for this reason) and decided to rush me as I was shooting pointblank at the captain's head.

I'll wait for the banning admin to testify with everything you have done. Do remember you had a sec-ban before and you managed to get it appealed before. Nice way to betray the trust of the staff, I suppose.

[Roderick Grey]

I... um? Alright...

I had it pulled out as soon as I saw you chasing me from the hallway, Roderick. That's wholly untrue.

You pulled out an MK58 at the bridge with the A.I turning the lights off moments later and I had no way to discern if it was loaded with lethals or not, if it was a blatantly lethal weapon I would've reacted differently lights or no.

 

I couldn't type a fluffy sentence saying "Hey I'm armed with lethals such and such" within 3 seconds because you were literally chasing me with the intent to wordlessly stun baton me.

 

I had the intent to wordlessly stun baton you because you wordlessly ran past me with a captain in cuffs towards the bridge. (unarmed) if you wanted to establish a hostage situation you shouldn't of run straight past me, you should've stopped when you saw me and established that you were infact armed with lethals, and it was a hostage situation, you had two other revs there that could've protected you, instead you sped past everyone.

 

You did rambo a hostage situation. you ignored me typing (I even have typing indicator on for this reason) and decided to rush me as I was shooting pointblank at the captain's head.

 

The A.I turned the lights off, I had no way of seeing you typing, but you're conveniently leaving that out to push your own narrative.

Do remember you had a sec-ban before and you managed to get it appealed before. Nice way to betray the trust of the staff, I suppose.

 

I've never appealed a sec ban before so you might have me confused with another player; maybe all this snarky aggression and petulant sarcasm should've been directed at someone else, I'm not sure. However, if you do want to direct your penchant for character assassination towards me, I'd rather you at-least seem accurate.

[Guest]

My mistake, I believe the administrator told me you were tempbanned from the server before as a result of your behavior. Not secbanned. And there's no appeal for said ban which means you liably waited out that ban and avoided a very embarrassing tempban appeal scenario.

 

You pulled out an MK58 at the bridge with the A.I turning the lights off moments later and I had no way to discern if it was loaded with lethals or not, if it was a blatantly lethal weapon I would've reacted differently lights or no.

 

You treat a gun as loaded and dangerous, regardless of its ammunition. Have you ever even held a gun in real life? Just recently in Ohio a black teenager was shot by a cop for brandishing a BB gun that had its orange cap illegally pulled off from the barrel. The cop couldn't tell if it was a fake gun, because the BB gun itself was stylized after a real-life 9mm handgun!

The lights were only off for a brief second before turned back on again, and by the time I accessed the bridge, my gun was already out. My text indicator was up before the lights went out and you ignored paying attention to fairly simple RP conventions in favor of acquiring dem valids.

 

I had the intent to wordlessly stun baton you because you wordlessly ran past me with a captain in cuffs towards the bridge. (unarmed) if you wanted to establish a hostage situation you shouldn't of run straight past me, you should've stopped when you saw me and established that you were infact armed with lethals, and it was a hostage situation, you had two other revs there that could've protected you, instead you sped past everyone.

 

Yes, I am obviously violating roleplay by walking past you in the hallway with the captain in tow (fully intent to write out my demands to CC and the station in order to peacefully undo the damage done that made the rev round so interesting in the first place), and the fact that you decided to rush me with a baton wordlessly is a nuance and thus is a non-issue. You didn't say a damn thing walking past me, didn't even tell me to stop. Aren't officers supposed to hail suspects and order them to stop before pursuing? Your only word was "A" in security comms.

Who cares if you were a loyalist, by extension as security that still means you need to follow SOP. And uh, execute some acceptable level of RP in attempting to interact with antagonists rather than pushing to win, silently and stoicly. Which you did only the latter! Broke the rules of a heavy RP server right there. No bueno, mi amigo muy especial.

 

and it was a hostage situation, you had two other revs there that could've protected you, instead you sped past everyone.

 

Nope. They weren't revs, they were normal people. Revs were on the other half of the station at the time. Which is why I tried to walk into the bridge. To get to a better position to carry out my plans RPly so I wouldn't get wordlessly intercepted by a stun baton-happy shitcurity officer? Yep.

Could've at least made a tiny attempt at communicating, but you failed at even that, since the only word you stated before baton-rushing me was a single letter, and that was "A." A for apple.

 

maybe all this snarky aggression and petulant sarcasm should've been directed at someone else, I'm not sure. However, if you do want to direct your penchant for character assassination towards me, I'd rather you at-least seem accurate.

 

I mean, I don't quite know how you can character assassinate someone who has such a boring, linear and brain-dead approach to conflict. You're basically no different from the hardcore baton-spamming Byzantine police officers on DarkRP, if I might use an interesting example.

Would I be accurate in describing this as your own playstyle? I mean, there's one last thing I should mention.

 

If the officer wanted it to be a hostage situation it should've been established a lot earlier, ideally before they walked past me in the hallway with the captain in cuffs.

 

If you wanted to establish this as an arrest and pursuit scenario you should've established it a lot earlier. Such as hailing me and such, trying to ask what's going on? Oh, but I can't apply the same standards to you, now can I?

That's why I walked away, as well. Because you pulled out your stun baton in the hallway (without a word, mind) and as soon as I saw you chasing me halfway down the hall I tried to get into the bridge to avoid being ganked.

You continued to pursue. Without a word to me.

You should remain job-banned.

[Roderick Grey]

My mistake, I believe the administrator told me you were tempbanned from the server before as a result of your behavior. Not secbanned.

 

I haven't been tempbanned either...

 

The lights were only off for a brief second before turned back on again, and by the time I accessed the bridge, my gun was already out. My text indicator was up before the lights went out and you ignored paying attention to fairly simple RP conventions in favor of acquiring dem valids.

 

I'm still not really sure about the text bubble, I don't recall seeing it at the time, whether or not that was the case is really semantics, the captain wanted you apprehended, the lights were off, I took a chance, turned out you had lethals so that is my bad.

 

Yes, I am obviously violating roleplay by walking past you in the hallway with the captain in tow (fully intent to write out my demands to CC and the station in order to peacefully undo the damage done that made the rev round so interesting in the first place), and the fact that you decided to rush me with a baton wordlessly is a nuance and thus is a non-issue. You didn't say a damn thing walking past me, didn't even tell me to stop. Aren't officers supposed to hail suspects and order them to stop before pursuing? Your only word was "A" in security comms.

I'm not accusing you of violating roleplay, I'm simply explaining why it turned into a wordless chase, I had opened the text chat and was trying to figure out how to word the situation on sec comms so I wouldn't attract other rev officers when you rushed passed me, so I pulled out my baton pursued and pressed enter to get rid of the chat box which is clumsy/bad RP, I'll pay that bill, but I didn't want you to escape with the captain who's side I had joined and been specifically requested to protect.

 

Who cares if you were a loyalist, by extension as security that still means you need to follow SOP. And uh, execute some acceptable level of RP in attempting to interact with antagonists rather than pushing to win, silently and stoicly. Which you did only the latter! Broke the rules of a heavy RP server right there.

I'm aware of SOP, when a known mutineer is running off with the captain they kidnapped my first job as an officer is to secure them if possible, and thinking back on it I really should've just thrown a flashbang and been done instead I chased you as I was still unsure what your intentions were, I'm not sure anyone but you knew them either.

 

Nope. They weren't revs, they were normal people. Revs were on the other half of the station at the time. Which is why I tried to walk into the bridge. To get to a better position to carry out my plans RPly so I wouldn't get wordlessly intercepted by a stun baton-happy shitcurity officer? Yep.

 

That's my bad then, I assumed they were with you. Looks like your plan didn't work out, you went right past past me, probably should've adapted your plans a little instead of just running.

Could've at least made a tiny attempt at communicating, but you failed at even that, since the only word you stated before baton-rushing me was a single letter.

 

You could've as well, our entire interaction was "A" mid-chase and "Stop" before the lights went out. Not sure why you're putting all the blame on someone you clearly find so beneath your little RP pedestal.

 

I mean, I don't quite know how you can character assassinate someone who has such a boring, linear and brain-dead approach to conflict. You're basically no different from the hardcore baton-spamming Byzantine police officers on DarkRP, if I might use an interesting example.

Would I be accurate in describing this as your own playstyle?

 

I'm really not sure where you've even dredged up this opinion of me as I've barely played with you, though the rounds we've shared you've hardly displayed yourself as a master of creativity and artistic nuance as sec or an antag. There's a lot of sec players I like to talk to and touch base with about ingame events as believe it or not I am eager to improve my sec play you're always welcome to actually offer advice instead of making digs to feed your pedantry. A big problem I have with this server, sometimes the SS13 community as a whole is it's preference to punish and ostracize instead of working and developing their own community's player-base, I think your attitude is a strong representation of this; I went to the sec panel and it seems like you and others genuinely want Sec and it's players to improve, you should try working with them more instead of labeling them as shitcurity and kicking them to the curb.

[ShameOnTurtles]

I've been asked to give my two cents as someone who plays with Roderick a lot as security, so here goes:

I believe Roderick is a great Security player when there isn't immediate conflict happening. There's been plenty of rounds that he's made more enjoyable/more interesting for me.

That being said, it's situations where they're either an antagonist and/or in immediate conflict like this that I often find him to be underwhelming. I can remember some incidents of him doing things generally considered bad RP, but technically alright. As 1138 said,

you've been toeing a very fine line for a loooong time.

 

Regarding his Security play, I find it mostly sound and can't think of any gripes off the top of my head. This specific situation doesn't look very well played out on their end, though.

On a more positive note, he has gotten much better recently. I can think of one specific revolution round where he was Security rev and Ornias was loyalist Security. After the round had ended, Ornias could not stop telling me about how amazing the round was, and mostly due to how Roderick roleplayed in it. Due to improvements like these, I believe that a permanent Security ban might be a bit much, and would support it being decreased.

[Guest]

I'm aware of SOP, when a known mutineer is running off with the captain they kidnapped my first job as an officer is to secure them if possible, and thinking back on it I really should've just thrown a flashbang and been done instead I chased you as I was still unsure what your intentions were, I'm not sure anyone but you knew them either.

 

Isn't the point of your job meant to gather information before doing anything?

The greatest extent of our interaction in that hallway was me registering that you were going to stunbaton rush me without a damn word to be said on your part. The burden of operating within acceptable lines of engagement falls upon you. You need to follow the rules of playing security. Playing security incorrectly and in a stupid fashion is breaking roleplay and can lead to getting banned.

I even wrote this awhile back, keeping in line with the same standards the old 2014-2015 A-team used to enforce before they all left the server. A lot of these standards written here are really simple nuances that still have to be written on paper because you should never underestimate stupidity or the effect of the worst-case scenario in any sample size.

You still do not have an excuse for skipping an important facet of an RP standard: Communication, in favor of pursuing a "confirmed antagonist" and rushing them wordlessly so you could win in that scenario.

I should probably also add: I asked you earlier if you were derev'd or not because your OOC HUD indicator for if you were a rev disappeared. Antag HUD bugs happen a lot, so I believed you. You told me in response in LOOC, "Probably just a bug", when instead you just met with the captain earlier to switch sides.

So I both ICly and OOCly trusted you to be a revolutionary on our side even though you were converted to loyalist. You changed sides because you were butthurt OOCly that two officers got the jump on you in science. You switched sides to "get back at" those who were trying to recruit a genuine following and hopefully exercise a non-lethal attempt at overtaking command and reversing the damage done by the NTCC directive. You deliberately misinformed me OOC of an important game facet to indicate who is an ally or not.

I don't care about allegorial examples from other players, because it's not going to convince me that the OP was innocent in this instance. Ramboing antagonists for the sole purpose of winning ruins the game experience for antagonists and either makes them not want to play or forces them to end up having to murderbone their opposition in retaliation to shit security play.

And besides, I don't believe the administration staff is all that intent on lifting a job-ban that is labelled "permanent" for a reason.

[Chaznoodles]

Just going to chime in here. I was part of this round, playing Security alongside Fenrir, and never had an issue with any of their actions. In this situation, it seems Fenrir was ordered by the Captain to stop Laurente, and failed in doing so. What's wrong with that? This exchange resulted in more roleplay happening in the round as a result of it.

I've never had a problem with Fenrir or Hague, and have played alongside them regularly. I don't see why this was worthy of a jobban at all.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Guest

[Roderick Grey]

You still do not have an excuse for skipping an important facet of an RP standard: Communication, in favor of pursuing a "confirmed antagonist" and rushing them wordlessly so you could win in that scenario.

Buddy, I don't care about "winning" if you run past with the captain in cuffs before I can speak I'm going to chase you, antag or no.

 

So I both ICly and OOCly trusted you to be a revolutionary on our side even though you were converted to loyalist. You changed sides because you were butthurt OOCly that two officers got the jump on you in science. .

 

I changed sides because I didn't really see an IC reason for Fenrir to actually be a rev unless under immediate threat, I didn't tell you that I got converted (by an admin) because I really don't need to. the Captain and I wanted me to be undercover, so I did that. I'm not under any obligation to tell you if I'm still a rev in LOOC, those red R's don't really mean those players are your allies either.

 

I don't care about allegorial examples from other players, because it's not going to convince me that the OP was innocent in this instance. Ramboing antagonists for the sole purpose of winning ruins the game experience for antagonists and either makes them not want to play or forces them to end up having to murderbone their opposition in retaliation to shit security play.

 

Your antag play wasn't even good, you and another officer jumped me and said "rev or you die" I tried to use Rev to help guide the groups actions in a way that would involve the crew but the Revs weren't really interested in anything but jump-revving people so I joined loyalists who were really the only driving RP of the round. You literally jumped the captain so you could hostage exchange them via fax, that's not something I'd consider to be a creative masterwork in antagging. That's cookie-cutter basic with piss-poor execution.

 

I don't care about allegorial examples from other players, because it's not going to convince me that the OP was innocent in this instance.

Except you were attacking my sec play as a whole, is the issue my play on this one round or sec as a whole? Pick one because if it's both I think getting feedback from players that aren't spewing pretentious toxic nonsense should be taken into account.

[Faris]

As a player that has regularly played with Roderick, mainly with his character Carlin Hague and after reviewed the content of this thread, I'm not entirely of the belief that this warrants a permanent security job ban. While Carlin Hague in general is an officer I'd like to have on my team, he is aggressive, sometimes a bit too much, but I doubt this should warrant a complete security job ban. Personally I'd like to hear from the administrative with their reasoning and opinion about this.

[Coalf]

I think I should chip in with my two cents.

If this is the round I think it is, it means that I was the AI(Brother Eye) and probably the main catalyst for this happening and so I would hate to see someone being punished for something that I might have caused.

The round was Rev and I being the AI and having eyes all over the station saw multiple times that suspicious stuff was happening, I admit I was a bit frustrated about it but I couldn't really act out since it would be blatant powergaming, the revs were doing nothing illegal that I could have reported and all I could do was point the captain to some suspicious PDA messages.

Well one thing led to another and after crashing for the fifth time I reconnect and discover that captain is being held hostage in bridge with Fenrir being the only one confronting Laurente.

Now the thing I saw was Laurente pulling out a gun while Fenrir had a baton already at the ready, now of course being the overactive fuck I am immediately jumped to conclusions and thought that a fight was already happening, so trying to save the captain or atleast Fenrir I shut the lights to give Fenrir the necessary advantage to close the gap and after Laurente used her PDA lights I turned the main lights back on at which point Roderick's screenshot happened.

Now I fully recognize this as my fault and my fault only if I hadn't shut the lights I believe Fenrir wouldn't have attacked and rushed since it was simply a reflex from me shutting the lights.

[Shadow]

This ban was not just because of this single incident, it was for continued bad sec behavior.

If you are fine with it, Ill post your notes/warnings regarding this here or Ill PM them to you.

[Roderick Grey]

I have next to no warnings regarding my sec play, so I'm assuming it'll mostly be notes that I haven't been able to appeal or even view.

You can post them here.

[Serveris]

As stated in PMs to you when this incident arose, I conferred with several other administrators, Shadow being one of them, whom was also on the server at the time. We decided unanimously that your temporary security jobban issued by Tablespoon several weeks ago hadn't really got through to you, given your notes continued to pile up concerning security play. This was hardly a rushed decision, but rather, as Shadow said, and listed in the ban reason, consistently poor decision making and attitude when playing as security.

I would rather let you sit through this for a while before I consider lifting it.

One day. Perhaps. I'm not entirely committed to this being until the heat death of the universe, but I do want it to remain in place long enough to sink in.

Maybe try some other jobs. See what it's like watching security operate from the outside, and take note of how other officers handle issues.

[Roderick Grey]

I'm not really sure what kind of improvement you expect a ban to create as there's only so much one can glean from observation. I've made a constant effort to seek feedback from sec players who's sec play I seek to emulate and I've always been open to advice/criticism that has more substance than "it's bad" or "improve" which seems to be the kind of response I've been receiving from the staff that get confused when their actions don't result in the impact they expected.

What I took from tablespoon's sec ban was that I needed to take the HRP atmosphere and the role as sec a lot more seriously than I was previously, the incident that sparked it was pretty much me chucklefucking and breaking the round's immersion as I didn't think the wizard was engaging the crew so I sought out means to entertain myself and others, which took the form of me breaking into the captain's office with help so we could mess with Bay mechanics in an effort to create a death tug... I did take the ban seriously and discussed it with other players and mods present in the incident, as I wanted to avoid this sort of situation in the future. Really the week sec ban Tablespoon issued probably should've been a temp server ban, as it was more my overall server play that was the issue, the fact I was sec at the time didn't really change much.

The steps I took to improve from the ban was mostly to improve my RP, I started fleshing out my characters more, creating backstories and rapport with other characters sec and otherwise during quiet rounds I instead looked to interact with the characters others had invested the time in making instead of messing around with the game mechanics and I looked at the kind of character Hague was and contrasted it with the kind of character I wanted Hague to be, after settling that matter I started playing with more tame/relaxed characters like Annex, Fenrir and Fitzwallace I also started antagging differently with them, with Hague I'd usually resort to directly attacking and interacting with the crew, forcing extreme conflict which a lot of people didn't like, with Fitzwallace I went a different route, taking on the guise of the mysterious Agent White, and subverting the heads in an effort to manipulate the crew into fueling conflict with themselves and eachother.

I've always been seeking to improve my sec play, I've read most of the forum resources and the wiki articles, I bug several HoS/officer players constantly, notably Aboshehab and Sircatnip for feedback, for their two cents on any actions I thought were questionable, for their views on how I'm progressing and my sec play as a whole and I attended that Sec panel some of which I found interesting. I do genuinely want to improve my sec play and I do make a consistent effort to learn from my mistakes, maybe I'm taking the wrong things away the problems/complaints that arise but I can find it difficult when a lot of the feedback are non-specific judgements or a broad denouncement of my sec play, I can't really work with that, just like I wont really improve my sec play with a permanent sec ban.

If you genuinely want to see improvement from me a permanent ban isn't going to give you that, if you just want to stop me from playing sec for an arbitrary amount of time only to lift it when you feel better about it you might aswell not, because I doubt my sec play would've altered enough for it of suddenly become a non-issue from your perspective.

[Shadow]

[Roderick Grey]

 

The first note in this was a situation I was present for, but really not invovled with, the primary issue around that was a HoS and a Detective opening fire on unarmed crew for no valid reason, I was one of the sec there but I was not an offender, I wasn't even armed with lethals. I was the one who ahelped and explained the situation to Severis, I also asked if there was something I could've done better in that situation, I did literally nothing wrong.

That has to do with antagging, not sec play.

that was me ahelping for being arrested for suspected murder, but being charged for contraband, as the sec officers oocly believed scientists could not make a stun revolver without Security consent, when I attempted to explain how contraband works they started insulting me in LOOC, so I ahelped the mod failed to understand the issue which lead to a lot of exasperation on my part. This situation was also discussed with one of the offenders in their whitelist app: http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6879

Edited September 19, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

Oh look at that, you've received multiple clear-cut warnings about you jumping the gun as a security officer being a giant glaring problem as part of your security play.

And you're utterly shocked that you were given a permanent sec-ban even after the temp sec-ban and a multitude of warnings that should've made the issue clear to you as to how you were messing up?

Every time something has gone wrong, you've turned around and cast the blame on something or someone else. 'It's not my fault, it's not your fault.' Some of us have been here for years now, and we've heard the same song and dance before. People are nothing if not consistent when it comes to behavior patterns in response to stress or threat.

You are very clearly in a denial phase here. You're resorting to looking for a more convenient excuse to substitute truth so that you don't need to feel any guilt or responsibility about the actions you take whether from an IC or OOC standpoint. Because if you weren't responsible for an action you took, why should you be held accountable for taking that course of action, right? Regardless, you are leaving behind the chance to redeem yourself and find the actual truth so you can mend the lapses in judgement you made by not making them again. In favor of bullshitting people and using obtuse forms of language to throw people off track to fight each other. Divide et impera. Like, come on, really? Community has enough problems to have to deal with people pitting other folks against one another.

You are literally worse off acting defensive and acting like you've done nothing wrong. But you have! There is proof, evidence! Right above our posts, in the middle of this page! But you still don't see it. You can't bear to see it for what it is, can you? Maybe if you just ignore it, the whole damn problem will go away. But it won't. It really won't.

Being a good roleplayer does not just constitute following the rules. It involves figuring out what sort of roleplay experience is wanted and what needs to be done to ensure that the participants in a round receive that experience and have fun.

Now riddle me this, Roderick: Has any of your actions listed above in your notes benefited that goal? Or am I wrong in perhaps thinking that you're not here to contribute your part, but just out for yourself?

You say you've been trying to receive feedback from other security regulars to better your play. But here, all you've been doing is making excuses and deflecting any attempt to find the truth and by extension, help you build off from this series of unfortunate decisions, hopefully get unsecbanned and then you can improve as a roleplayer.

Either way that you swing, whether you get a sudden epiphany or not, it's more than likely the following is gonna happen: The secban's gonna stick for quite awhile, as your actions led the ball to be dropped on you quite hard due to your current lack of an ability to listen and ability to reflect on your own actions to glean any meaningful value from them.

[Roderick Grey]

Oh look at that, you've received multiple clear-cut warnings about you jumping the gun as a security officer being a giant glaring problem as part of your security play.

 

All but one of those are notes, but I have received feedback in-regards to jumping the gun aswell, it's not something I'm denying.

 

In favor of bullshitting people and using obtuse forms of language to throw people off track to fight each other. Divide et impera. Like, come on, really? Community has enough problems to have to deal with people pitting other folks against one another.

 

I'm not really sure what you mean with this? I'm not turning people against eachother, I think the only person I've said anything negative about is you, mostly because you're rambling mal-formed opinions and coming across as a condescending dick; I'm not sure if you are usually this toxic, or if I'm a special case but you really need to step back, chill, and ask yourself if you actually have anything worth contributing at this point.

 

You are literally worse off acting defensive and acting like you've done nothing wrong. But you have! There is proof, evidence! Right above our posts, in the middle of this page!

 

Yeah there is evidence of shoddy sec play, definitely, and each time they rose up they were discussed, I'm not disputing that my sec play needs work, what I'm disputing is are the steps taken in regards to it justified, or if my play really as bad as it's being made out to be.

 

Being a good roleplayer does not just constitute following the rules. It involves figuring out what sort of roleplay experience is wanted and what needs to be done to ensure that the participants in a round receive that experience and have fun. Now riddle me this, Roderick: Has any of your actions listed above in your notes benefited that goal?

No, they didn't, although notes, like warnings usually don't include shining praise of positive RP contribution, kind of a weird question to beg.

[Chaznoodles]

Can an admin get Delta to chill tf out and stop being so aggressive? It's full-on gunning for Roderick and personal attacks nonstop. He also seems to have donned the mantle of 'I know everything about Security and how it should be played, your way is wrong'.

[Guest]

You're not special, let's not mistake anyone here.

You're treated differently from other people because you act differently from other people in this community, but that in itself does not make you a special case.

You're treated differently because you have the choice to be making better decisions than the ones you are making, but you never took that opportunity for yourself despite being asked to do so.

No one can force you to change but you. You are still the one who decides when to change and how.

 

Yeah there is evidence of shoddy sec play, definitely, and each time they rose up they were discussed, I'm not disputing that my sec play needs work, what I'm disputing is are the steps taken in regards to it justified, or if my play really as bad as it's being made out to be.

 

Yes, it was bad enough, judging from the multitude of notes indicating a pattern. You jumped the gun of reasonability for the next to absolute last time, and a decision was made to stop you from going absolutely overboard. I am sure there is a desire for you to stay and hopefully show that you have improved, but only time can really dispel doubt at this point. It is unlikely you are to be unbanned immediately because you take issue with the timing.

If the administration wanted you absolutely removed, you'd have been server permabanned and not jobbanned. You can still play the game at this point.

 

No, they didn't, although notes, like warnings usually don't include shining praise of positive RP contribution, kind of a weird question to beg.

 

They are indications of the opposite, which is something to take fair note of.

[Guest]

Can an admin get Delta to chill tf out and stop being so aggressive? It's full-on gunning for Roderick and personal attacks nonstop. He also seems to have donned the mantle of 'I know everything about Security and how it should be played, your way is wrong'.

 

Do elaborate further in another super enlightening and entirely relevant-to-the-discussion post why you believe that, because I seriously don't care. Either individuals are held to degrees of responsibility for their own actions or they are not.

Did you know there's a button to call for moderation whenever you or your squad gets blasted on the forum boards, rather than just making another post that doesn't add anything to the discussion besides "help my buddy is getting assblasted"?

You should know, you were the head of this community once.

[Roderick Grey]

you really need to step back, chill, and ask yourself if you actually have anything worth contributing at this point.

[Ornias]

Alright, here's the thing:

Roderick toes the line. Yes. Nobody is going to argue this.

But, unlike all other "shitty" sec, he tries, and damn if it doesn't show. He used to be, frankly, a shitty antag. Now, he's one of the best ones I know. He used to be a shitty sec. He's improved - a lot.

I don't know enough about the most recent incident to know whether it deserves punishment, but all I know is that he's a hard-working slow learner. A punishment, perhaps. But permanently removing him from sec is not a decision that I can support. A couple weeks of being demoted to cadet, perhaps, but nothing more. Not for someone who genuinely tries to improve.

Also, while I don't come here to start shit, 1138, please calm down. I get it, you're really frustrated with his sec play and you want to defend your decision, nobodies faulting you for that. But you're coming across as quite aggressive, intentionally or not.