[DENIED]Sec-ban appeal. Roderick Grey.

[Shadow]

Of course players are going to have a different opinion, they can't look behind the scenes.

I am not the banning staffmember, but IMO, you should stay sec-banned for a while. Try again in a few weeks.

[Chaznoodles]

Delta, if you're keen to start stuff with me, feel free to make another thread where you can attack folk in peace. Don't do it here.

 

Alright, here's the thing:

Roderick toes the line. Yes. Nobody is going to argue this.

But, unlike all other "shitty" sec, he tries, and damn if it doesn't show. He used to be, frankly, a shitty antag. Now, he's one of the best ones I know. He used to be a shitty sec. He's improved - a lot.

I don't know enough about the most recent incident to know whether it deserves punishment, but all I know is that he's a hard-working slow learner. A punishment, perhaps. But permanently removing him from sec is not a decision that I can support. A couple weeks of being demoted to cadet, perhaps, but nothing more. Not for someone who genuinely tries to improve.

 

Agreed, tbh.

[Snoopy11]

I've had a few interactions with Roderick's characters as someone who has played as security a member of security, and another character who used to get arrested a tad much on the regular.

My two cents is that Roderick has improved, a lot, I'd say.

However if the general consensus is that his sec play is bad, then why not a cadet-unbanning instead and leaving the other slots restricted; it's a very restricted role in terms of access and what you do/should do.

[Roderick Grey]

Of course players are going to have a different opinion, they can't look behind the scenes.

 

Isn't this why we have appeals? So we can get some transparency from the staff as form of justification?

I would definitely prefer a cadetship as it would allow me to observe and interact with other sec players directly and would benefit my sec play far more than a permanent/arbitrary-length ban. Is there a reason why this wasn't considered?

[Shadow]

I wasn't the banning staffmember, I just gave my go ahead for the ban.

I am sure we can talk about unbanning you from cadet.

[UnknownMurder]

I don't mind Carlin Hague being unbanned from Cadet however... There should be some OOC restrictions to what he can and cannot do, however he should have known better and to listen to Delta rather turning him down because you heard something you don't like.

[pickled_tomato]

I'm sure most staff members would agree with the idea that very few bans are meant to be permanent. A ban like this serves as an ultimatum to discuss what you've been doing wrong, and to get you to improve. You say you understand that you've wronged and that you plan to improve, then you quickly change the subject. You're not a victim to Delta, he's simply stating what he believes freely. The subject of this thread is you trying to get your ban appealed, Roderick. Try to accept criticism and apply it towards a plan to get better.

You mention playing other roles to get a feel for sec outside of the department, which I support. I also support the idea, after a plan of actual improvement is set, for you to be a cadet for a couple of weeks. You could also try spectating rounds, maybe do something in the background while following security and maybe command staff. There's two big things about your play that I see almost every round. You disregard station authority at almost every opportunity you can, almost at an unbelievable frequency. It doesn't make sense. If anything your character should understand that without an antagonist reason, disregarding station command is in nearly every situation is going to lead to more harm towards you than good. You defy commands with childlike logic. I ask you to take your sec gear off, as you were being demoted to Janitor, and you begin throwing your gear at me and slamming it in the table. You intentionally cause trouble for people playing regardless of if you're an antag, and it boarders on self antagging at times.

The second big thing I see you doing is an extension on the aggressive thing I see people are already bringing up. You go from zero to one hundred in a matter of seconds. You like to pull out your pepperspray and mash left click in someone's general direction, regardless of if they're wearing eye protection or not. You're always trying to pick a fight, and you often believe you're a victim when something doesn't go your way. You get flustered to the point of saying you're upset in looc, and you let this largely affect your in game behavior. It all comes off as unrealistic, and you need to think a lot more than you currently do before you act.

I see a good player in you, Roderick. I mean that. When everything's calm, and you're not building illegal walls for no reason, you play well. You're clearly interested in security, and interest gives motivation to learn and get better. You were getting better, but you need to accept criticism. You wind up breaking server rules, and that's what you're getting shit for.

If the formatting for this is trash, it might be because I'm on my phone.

[Roderick Grey]

I think you're mostly embellishing examples from a single round, but you raise some good points, although I'd like you to expand on the station command portion as I haven't really noticed that.

 

listen to Delta rather turning him down because you heard something you don't like.

 

In regards to delta I have no qualms with criticism as long as it's both true and somewhat constructive; accusing me of driving a wedge between community members and betraying the staff aren't either of those things. I understand that Delta beneath the sarcasm and condescension believes his input has value, and in a broad sense it does, the problem was he took his frustration from the one incident that sparked the ban and used it as fuel to vent his frustration and attack my sec play in it's entirety which I don't really think he has the familiarity with, or insight into my play to do. That's something I took issue with, but really it boiled down to him describing his actions as "assblasting" in a thread that's here to discuss my sec play, that's when they really need to take a step back and consider what they're doing, why, and how it's coming across.

[pickled_tomato]

I'm surprised you haven't noticed what I mentioned. I believe it stems from how angry you and your characters get in round. You disregard orders from Heads of Staff in a manner that at times suggests you're playing a rev, which you're not typically. You usually do it after you believe your side of whatever argument you've taken a side to is entirely correct. If a head of staff happens to be on the opposing argument's side, you don't seem to care, which is all fine and dandy, but it's detrimental at times. It's especially detrimental in the role of a Security Officer. Please keep the qualifications that are required for characters to be able to play these positions in mind. They're all at the very bottom of the list. https://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=NanoTrasen_Occupation_Qualifications Regardless of your position in an argument, I believe command staff's opinions should hold a fair bit of weight. Of course different characters will have different positions, but make sure you're not borderline self-antagging.

As a specific example, as I suppose one's needed. I wasn't watching this situation, but I think you and Chaz, someone who was involved in it, have a little bit of a case. You two started a round, took your handguns, and did your business. The warden asks those who took a handgun to sign a sheet. Most wardens don't do this, I understand this. You two refused to sign the sheet, and instead decided to argue with the warden for supposedly 15 minutes. The captain aboard got involved, and you two still refused to sign the sheet. You two were using your own time that you could've used to patrol instead of arguing with the warden. Now, my telling of this event may be one sided since I heard about it from one person in particular. I accept that I could've potentially told the story wrong, and I hope you might be able to clarify if you want. The point of the incident still stands though. When command staff, especially the damn captain tells you to do something, you usually do it. Not following orders is nothing but detrimental for your character and his reputation. Of course there's variance from character to character, but you still need to be believable. There's personality traits that deviate too far from believable. In my opinion, everyone benefits from the ability to separate their RP train of thought from their personal train of thought. It's a video game. If what you're doing isn't getting you anywhere, don't keep doing it. Try something else.

The quickest way I can see your security whitelist restored is for you to own up to yourself and your actions. Regardless of what you believe, administrators have deemed certain aspects of your character to be violations of server rules. I'd like to see you in round, Roderick. I like to see you play, as you have a genuine interest in Security and how it operates. The way you question the wiki and what's actually standard procedure made that clear to me. Work with Serveris. Serveris is nice and has already expressed that he doesn't believe your ban should be permanent. Possibly have a forum PM conversation with him. Serveris knows a lot about how security operates. Trust his opinion. Go in with an open mind, because there's not a person in the world who has mastered something to a point of not being able to learn anything new. Everyone on the server would benefit from looking at themselves and understanding that they have a lot of room for improvement in what they're doing.

[Zundy]

Just quickly, if the Warden issue is the one I'm thinking of then the Warden did trigger the misunderstanding (because that's what it was) by threatening to brig every who didn't do it and suspend them when they had no authority to do so. Might be thinking of a different time though.

[pickled_tomato]

I believe you may be referencing a different issue, Zundy. The warden at the time was an Unathi. The warden also reportedly only threatened to brig Roderick and Chaz after they went against the captain's orders to sign the release forms. I'm simply stating an example since Roderick wanted one. I don't really want to turn this thread into a "Let's bring up everything we've seen Roderick do that might've broken some rules" thread, though I have a few more examples if need be. I stand by what I originally said. If you want to be un-jobbanned in a timely manner, please contact Serveris directly. Questioning people for specific evidence in a circular manner isn't going to get this thread anywhere.

[Zundy]

Yep different. The warden in my tale was a human. Never mind!

[Roderick Grey]

Alright, I think there's been a lot of player feedback but I haven't really heard a lot from the banning staff member, I'll try to talk with them in PMs about the reasoning in-depth and see where things should best go from there.

[Serveris]

RIGHT.

I've been neglecting this for far longer than I would've liked; I've had a very busy week and weekend due to real life concerns that have popped up, but I've also wanted to take some time to let this all sink in. I've spoken with several staff, some of which were present when this banned was applied, and some are completely arbitrary onlookers. All of which shared a similar opinion on the matter. You've received numerous warnings and notes for poor security decision-making skills, violations of some of our most basic OOC security expectations, and have been spoken to at least two dozen times by staff members concerning either motive or the execution of your actions as a security officer, with no tangible results. We continue having to speak with you, usually for the same things. Warnings and notes do not appear to be having any positive effect.

Logically, this would be the next step.

I've spoken with both head administrators concerning the matter, and reviewed your notes several times, giving the decision a lot of thought.

Overall, it is my decision that this jobban will remain for the time being, however, in a couple weeks, assuming you do not cause issues elsewhere during this time, I would be willing to consider unbanning you from cadet so that you may have a chance to prove we can handle you in this role oncemore. At this time, however, you've given me very little reason to believe that unbanning you immediately wouldn't result in these problems re-occurring right away. If you can avoid moderator action for that long, I will contact you, informing you of my intention to remove the cadet jobban. Perhaps, from there, we can look at removing the bans for the rest of the security slots if administration can come to an agreement that as a cadet, your methodology has improved. Here's to hoping.

As mentioned previously, at this time, I am standing on my decision to keep this ban in place for the time being, and I'll be actively tracking you in the coming days.

Locking and archiving.