[UNRESOLVED - TIMEOUT] Unban Request - Surrealistik - Dr. Merrick Toboggan MD Purveyour of Test Results

[Surrealistik]

BYOND Key: Surrealistik

Total Ban Length: 3 days

Banning staff member's Key: nursiekitty (I think?)

Reason of Ban: http://i.imgur.com/LKXjbvC.png

Reason for Appeal: The ban is essentially baseless. A genius medical doctor is an unrealistic character? I can understand a genius Sec Officer, Cargo Tech, Assistant, Miner, etc as being dubious, but MDs are among those professions most likely to feature them on the station. Further, geniuses themselves aren't exactly that rare, constituting roughly 1-2% of the population depending on who you ask (with the % of MDs that qualify as one being significantly higher).

[SierraKomodo]

I feel like there has to be more to this than what's actually posted here. I have medical characters that are quite smart with PhDs and such, one of which is formerly a xenobiologist and still qualified to be one while having transferred over to medical chemistry instead in recent years, and not once have I been bwoinked over it.

[Surrealistik]

I feel like there has to be more to this than what's actually posted here. I have medical characters that are quite smart with PhDs and such, one of which is formerly a xenobiologist and still qualified to be one while having transferred over to medical chemistry instead in recent years, and not once have I been bwoinked over it.

 

There's only other thing I can think of besides a genius (as calculated by the game) skill set, is self-administering inaprovaline. This was done to test movement speed as I intended to significantly enhance medical response times by giving Paramedics a benign supervirus/AIDS (big time) I cultivated that round in addition to their test results after finishing testing of the virus (and getting those test results as well). Part of that testing was seeing how fast the virus enabled me to move with the assistance of inaprovaline.

I've self-administered inaprovaline a couple of times in the past to test and help with medical response times and got boinked for it, as apparently this is considered to be powergaming; likewise with using spaceacillin injections routinely as a standard preventative tool for disease/contagion as medical staff (outside of clear and present contagion danger to be clear, but medicine is rife with preventative measures). Neither of these things seem unreasonable to me (both of which I've stopped since, even though I don't feel the prohibition against them makes sense).

[Scheveningen]

 

 

https://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=NanoTrasen_Occupation_Qualifications

Where are your records with the equivalent degrees that permit you to have these skills, exactly? Because for the fields you filled in, Amateur would be a 2 year associates, Trained would be the range between 4-6 years for either the Bachelor's or the Master's, and Professional would be the 8+ year equivalent of a Doctorate. Your character is only 30 years old. We have no problem with "genius" characters but absolutely not to this extent of powergaming you've done with, frankly, an unoriginal reference to a character from a sub-par American sitcom.

You had the absolutely wonderful opportunity since you joined onto the server last month to take a good look at the rules and divulge in reading the resources provided and absorbing the helpful information provided by the server rule page for reading material. This, of course, did not stop you from...

- Bludgeoning crew prisoners in the brig with a fire extinguisher as a cyborg to pacify them.

- Using lethal force as a cyborg to pacify a cultist in spite of the fact they still counted as a crewmember.

- Sedating a hostage taker as a cyborg with little to no actual engagement or warning on the matter.

- Sedating someone in custody of security and also overdosed them, effectively acting in the stead of security as a medical cyborg.

- Sedating someone AGAIN because they broke regulations whilst security were on scene and available to do detaining if that was their intention. Wordlessly sedated someone to the same threshold.

- Joining as Mantis Toboggan. Always Sunny in Philadelphia reference, in case anyone else has no idea what that is.

- Injecting yourself near to the OD point each with inaprovaline, spaceacillin and et cetera for every round prior to having a discussion with you.

- Getting banned (finally) for the culminaton of pressuring the chemist to give you inaprovaline, hyperzine in addition to using virology to self-engineer an infinite adrenaline virus to sprint forever in the halls with no repercussions or drawback whatsoever. In addition to all of your history leading up to this point.

Plus you did a lot of complaining on discord in the middle of the night for close to 2 hours (from 12AM to 2AM) on this subject. Neither Spess nor complaining should dominate your life.

I honestly don't believe you've brought anything worthwhile or good to the server since you've rejoined, taking into consideration the amount of trouble you've created since the 8th of February. You are actually one step closer, upon your next offense, from being permanently removed from the server on the next related offense.

 

 

 

So please stop. Especially with the shitty humblebragging over discord. You're not cool for powergaming, you win no awards or admiration for partaking in what an average /tg/Sybil fellow does for breakfast. After the ban wears off this is your actual last chance to get your shit into gear, unless you want to win a perma. Because you don't get to constantly break the rules of the server without pushback from staff.

[DatBerry]

stuff

 

yes but you didn't address the point above by sierra, if the ban reason was for powergaming medical equipment i'd understand that, but it seems to be over his skillset? if you take off the bit from engineering it becomes what you expect from a CMO most of the time. his score is 26, which isn't that bad, I'm sure if he aged the character up and set the records properly they'd be a few centimeters away from the snowflake line. there seems to be another incident

as for spreading the virus, i understand the hate for it, but part of virology is to develop viruses, as long as they went through the proper channels with command and made it only transferable through blood i don't know why you wouldn't be allowed to test viruses, as long as you don't abuse it yourself.

you didn't even give us insight on the incident and how it went, I'm not sure why you're getting so riled up and passive aggressive over this.

[Scheveningen]

stuff

 

yes but you didn't address the point above by sierra, if the ban reason was for powergaming medical equipment i'd understand that, but it seems to be over his skillset? if you take off the bit from engineering it becomes what you expect from a CMO most of the time. his score is 26, which isn't that bad, I'm sure if he aged the character up and set the records properly they'd be a few centimeters away from the snowflake line. there seems to be another incident

as for spreading the virus, i understand the hate for it, but part of virology is to develop viruses, as long as they went through the proper channels with command and made it only transferable through blood i don't know why you wouldn't be allowed to test viruses, as long as you don't abuse it yourself.

you didn't even give us insight on the incident and how it went, I'm not sure why you're getting so riled up and passive aggressive over this.

 

They didn't, they infected themselves with it at the start of the round and hadn't spoken to command once in relation to "testing". As it stands there are only two-to-three beneficial virus stages that are worthy of putting into a virus. I gave myself telepathy before and it turned into an amusing round. However, I had command approval to infect myself and I stayed in viro for most of the round until I vaccinated myself.

The ban reason, if you read it, is over a long history of powergaming in combination with other history of rule violations.

The skills are part of it. The attitude is part of it. The powergaming is part of it. You being ex-staff would know that people are not merely only banned for a single reason in every case.

[Surrealistik]

Where are your records with the equivalent degrees that permit you to have these skills, exactly? Because for the fields you filled in, Amateur would be a 2 year associates, Trained would be the range between 4-6 years for either the Bachelor's or the Master's, and Professional would be the 8+ year equivalent of a Doctorate. Your character is only 30 years old. We have no problem with "genius" characters but absolutely not to this extent of powergaming you've done with, frankly, an unoriginal reference to a character from a sub-par American sitcom.

You had the absolutely wonderful opportunity since you joined onto the server last month to take a good look at the rules and divulge in reading the resources provided and absorbing the helpful information provided by the server rule page for reading material. This, of course, did not stop you from...

- Bludgeoning crew prisoners in the brig with a fire extinguisher as a cyborg to pacify them.

- Using lethal force as a cyborg to pacify a cultist in spite of the fact they still counted as a crewmember.

- Sedating a hostage taker as a cyborg with little to no actual engagement or warning on the matter.

- Sedating someone in custody of security and also overdosed them, effectively acting in the stead of security as a medical cyborg.

- Sedating someone AGAIN because they broke regulations whilst security were on scene and available to do detaining if that was their intention. Wordlessly sedated someone to the same threshold.

- Joining as Mantis Toboggan. Always Sunny in Philadelphia reference, in case anyone else has no idea what that is.

- Injecting yourself near to the OD point each with inaprovaline, spaceacillin and et cetera for every round prior to having a discussion with you.

- Getting banned (finally) for the culminaton of pressuring the chemist to give you inaprovaline, hyperzine in addition to using virology to self-engineer an infinite adrenaline virus to sprint forever in the halls with no repercussions or drawback whatsoever. In addition to all of your history leading up to this point.

Plus you did a lot of complaining on discord in the middle of the night for close to 2 hours (from 12AM to 2AM) on this subject. Neither Spess nor complaining should dominate your life.

I honestly don't believe you've brought anything worthwhile or good to the server since you've rejoined, taking into consideration the amount of trouble you've created since the 8th of February. You are actually one step closer, upon your next offense, from being permanently removed from the server on the next related offense.

So please stop. Especially with the shitty humblebragging over discord. You're not cool for powergaming, you win no awards or admiration for partaking in what an average /tg/Sybil fellow does for breakfast. After the ban wears off this is your actual last chance to get your shit into gear, unless you want to win a perma. Because you don't get to constantly break the rules of the server without pushback from staff.

 

Haha, someone's apparently pretty angry and out for me; I mean the level of effort you sunk into this, screencaps and all is seriously impressive. I assume this has a lot to do with my pushback on both Discord and the Suggestion subforums. That said, lot to go over here.

First, there is absolutely no metric for determining how long each level of skill and proficiency requires; no guidelines, nothing written, period. My understanding is that amateur is not a 2 year degree, but something you could pick up either as a hobby in one's spare time, or basic schooling; which I feel to be completely reasonable. Trained in my view requires either schooling or significant individual study; how much is again, completely ambiguous; anything from 1-4 years post secondary or equivalent individual study seems about right depending on the subject, and this would be for an average person with no especial aptitude or intellect (a genius might be reasonably expected to achieve this level of proficiency sooner). Professional is less ambiguous, but again, is variable depending on the nature of the subject. Beyond that, my skill distribution is sensible for a surgeon. The most dubious part is the engineering elements, and those were taken exclusively to ICly justify repairs on prosthetics, which I envision as being a fairly pretty standard cross-discipline for surgeons 500 years in the future where they are as common as candy.

Second, I don't pretend to be 'cool' for powergaming, but I will gladly dispute my level of system mastery relative to the average /tg/ Sybil player anytime.

Third, that you apparently find It's Always Sunny to be 'frankly subpar' (assuming that this a genuinely held opinion as opposed to yet another tiresome, characteristically pitiful attempt at a backhand) is really an indictment of your taste in sitcoms to be entirely honest.

Fourth, no, I didn't spend 2 hours straight going over this; it was pretty on and off; evidently you are not familiar with tabbing and multitasking. That said, argumentation due to working compliance in commercial real estate as a day job does feature prominently in my life.

Lastly, to go over your bogus list of accusations that deliberately lack context and are intentionally phrased in an obvious and disingenuous attempt to portray me in as negative a light as possible:

Bludgeoning crew prisoners in the brig with a fire extinguisher as a cyborg to pacify them: I was defending an incompetent/new Security Officer after my flash had burnt out trying to subdue 2 prisoners assaulting her (who were both Assistants and of a lower rank than her in terms of Protect and Serve priority), and who continued to assault her, which she ultimately still failed to deal with in time. At one point, they blocked her means of escape. The crew were not killed. The use of a fire extinguisher was intended to knock down or KO the attackers in order to minimize the number of attacks needed to get the situation under control, but this did not come about unfortunately due to bad RNG. When they stopped attacking me and the officer, I left.

Sedating a hostage taker as a cyborg with little to no actual engagement or warning on the matter: I was directly commanded by the AI I was slaved to to stop the hostage taker given the absence of any and all viable security staff. The hostage taker in this case was a rogue Security Officer who clearly had a flash, and could very easily stunlock me to death. The location of engagement was the Security Substation in close quarters. At the time he was subdued, the taker had no lethals in hand, and could not readily menace the hostage. Second, applying a sedative to knock him out quickly was necessary both to avoid harm to the hostage, to the hostage taker, and to myself via flash stunlocking in said close quarters.

Sedating someone AGAIN because they broke regulations whilst security were on scene and available to do detaining if that was their intention. Wordlessly sedated someone to the same threshold: I was directly ordered to help security detain this person by the Captain.

Joining as Mantis Toboggan. Always Sunny in Philadelphia reference, in case anyone else has no idea what that is.: Guilty, I'll admit this one.

Injecting yourself near to the OD point each with inaprovaline, spaceacillin and et cetera for every round prior to having a discussion with you.: Spaceacillin was the only one I did consistently, and I stopped after I was confronted about it (as an addendum I felt and continue to feel self-dosing this makes perfect sense for medical personnel as a preventative measure seeing as it's highly effective against all forms of viruses as well as bacteria). Inaprovaline was self-dosed one (1) time only near round start to see the effect on movement speed, barring the following situation.

Getting banned (finally) for the culminaton (sic) of pressuring the chemist to give you inaprovaline, hyperzine in addition to using virology to self-engineer an infinite adrenaline virus to sprint forever in the halls with no repercussions or drawback whatsoever. In addition to all of your history leading up to this point.: Utterly and wholly wrong. A complete fabrication in fact, that reflects fairly obviously your ill-intent towards me. First of all, I had no communication or contact with the chemist. Second, I did not inject myself with Spaceacillin during the round I was banned in as that would interfere with viral infection; inaprovaline yes, for testing purposes in determining response times as I intended to roll out the virus to the Paramedic staff (which yes, I would have gotten command approval for). Third, hyperzine derived from the beneficial disease I infected myself with. Fourth, self-engineering a highly beneficial virus is, so far as I can tell, not a heinous crime or something that's even unreasonable ICly, nor was any indication ever given that such a project, even with respect to self-infecting, would require command authorization.

Edited March 7, 2017 by Guest

[Fire and Glory]

My understanding is that amateur is not a 2 year degree, but something you could pick up either as a hobby in one's spare time, or basic schooling...

For what it's worth this matches my own understanding of the skill system (meaningless as it is), amateur means you've been exposed to that sort of thing and you might have a vague idea of how something works or a clear idea of how a certain part of it works, while trained means that you have been trained in this subject so you know how it goes.

Basically I think there's a pretty big-ass gap between the two instead of something like:

Amateur would be a 2 year associates,

Which isn't as much of a gap.

[Scheveningen]

Utterly and wholly wrong. A complete fabrication in fact, that reflects fairly obviously your ill-intent towards me. First of all, I had no communication or contact with the chemist. Second, I did not inject myself with Spaceacillin during the round I was banned in as that would interfere with viral infection; inaprovaline yes, for testing purposes in determining response times as I intended to roll out the virus to the Paramedic staff (which yes, I would have gotten command approval for). Third, hyperzine derived from the beneficial disease I infected myself with. Fourth, self-engineering a highly beneficial virus is, so far as I can tell, not a heinous crime or something that's even unreasonable ICly, nor was any indication ever given that such a project, even with respect to self-infecting, would require command authorization.

 

I never said spaceacillin. I said inaprovaline. But it's fine, it was a mistake in reading, I figure.

What you think is reasonable or not is irrelevant. When compared to the entire staff team that was online at the time electing unanimously in msay to have you banned for three days due to your attitude and consistent powergaming behavior, though? That's pretty ridiculous.

And in response to any of the other situations you had warnings or notes over, why didn't you use those excuses in talking to staff who questioned you about those situations? If it's clear-cut as you say it is then you'd be guilty of nothing as far as your history goes and these issues wouldn't keep popping up. But the notes tell a different story.

[Surrealistik]

I never said spaceacillin. I said inaprovaline. For all of the text you generated in response you didn't read that detail, did you?

 

Actually that was intended to directly address your earlier bogus accusation that I 'always dose on Spaceacillin even after being told not to'.

 

What you think is reasonable or not is irrelevant. When compared to the entire staff team that was online at the time electing unanimously in msay to have you banned for three days due to your attitude and consistent powergaming behavior, though? That's pretty ridiculous.

 

You mean a staff I couldn't defend myself to (barring Nursie who had clearly already made up her mind)? That had nothing but biased notes lacking critical context for reference?

 

And in response to any of the other situations you had warnings or notes over, why didn't you use those excuses in talking to staff who questioned you about those situations? If it's clear-cut as you say it is then you'd be guilty of nothing as far as your history goes and these issues wouldn't keep popping up. But the notes tell a different story.

 

The notes are apparently woefully incomplete and if that's all they say, they clearly lack important context and underlying causes. I cited all these things at the time I was warned or the note was drafted, and still they were not included or recognized. If this is the case, I suppose that makes some degree of sense as administrative staff have a vested interest in retaining only that information which serves their judgement or version of events for fear of reprisal or discipline.

 

You can complain about bias as much as you want, but at the end of the day we're still doing our jobs in ensuring quality of RP is held as the highest concern when playing on the server.

 

I'm sure most of the admin staff are doing good work; your disingenuously and deliberately one sided attacks on my person and character convincingly show you're probably not among them.

[Catnip]

Logs of the conversation leading to the ban:

 

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): you were talked to about this. what are you doing?

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): Formulating my new rapid response paramedic program

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): can you repeat what you said to me without the long-winded bullshit.

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): it's exactly as it sounds; imagine paramedic response times when they can move at sanic speed

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): i think you're having problems understanding what heavy roleplay is. also, your answer seems to be, still, completely missing my point: why is your doctor doing this? moreover, why does your doctor know virology?

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): it's in his skill set

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): you're ignoring my point about heavy roleplay. i'll expand. your character, a thirty year old doctor, currently has a genius level skillset, having trained skills in engineering, medical, and research. this is not the only problem, but the fact that your genius-level doctor has utilized virology to make paramedics go at.."sanic speed" with a pathogen.

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): what's wrong with having a genius doctor?

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): have you read our rules?

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): doctors are statistically more likely to be geniuses

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): answer the question.

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): yes, I didn't see a mention of the fact that I'm not allowed to have a genius level character

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): is it age locked or something?

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): i will try to make this simple. this is a heavy roleplay server. we expect people to play believable characters. to play a genius character itself is unbelievable. this is not up for debate.

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): what do you mean it's unbelievable?

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): geniuses aren't exactly super duper rare; ~1-2 in 100 people

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): it is not believable. to have a genius skillset is unrealistic in the context of your character. age and skills are deliberated coded in this way. and, again, it is not up for debate. we are not allowing characters who are geniuses.

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): i think there's a very clear attitude of not wanting to make any changes to your character or playstyle. you have been contacted about powergaming multiple times before. as a last result, we're giving you a ban for three days.

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): I didn't even know there was a 'no genius' rule

PM: NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel)->Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan): the rules state you are expected to play realistic characters. it is very clear about this.

PM: Surrealistik/(Merrick Toboggan)->NursieKitty/(Phoebe Essel): there is nothing unrealistic about a genius doctor

ADMIN: nursiekitty has banned surrealistik.

Reason: multiple instances of power gaming, and no intents to change his 'genius doctor' despite reading the rules about realistic characters.

This will be removed in 4320 minutes.

[witchbells]

I'm going to make this very concise, even though Delta has said what I have far better than I already could.

 

 

You were banned for, as the ban reason states, multiple instances of powergaming (with no intention to stop) and an unreasonable character (which, as this thread has told me, you have no intention to change.) with a genius skill set. You are not allowed to play "genius" characters. Nobody is, as it breaks our rule about reasonable characters. Doctors and scientists are not geniuses, as you have repetitively stated. They are people that have schooled and trained for several years to get where they are.

The powergaming is a separate issue, but still relevant. Especially since you were even talked to about the inaprovaline thing for, if I'm correct, a second time during that round.

[SierraKomodo]

Just for the record, as I did mention I had a character with higher level skills, mine isn't at 'Genius' level. Here's the skillset for her (It's Miraj Zi'Ad if you're curious - Formerly a xenobiologist, now a chemist with a PhD and EMT experience, 37 years old)

 

[Scheveningen]

Which is absolutely fine, Sierra, you were even the one who innovated the records system in the first place and we used that as a standard for a very long time. In the event your character had multiple ranges of skills you needed degrees to tell off of employment records what your character was competent at.

The bar we typically set is no further than a low-point exceptional character, and even that is pushing it. The skill tree, as I know Sierra knows, tells us who is attempting to justify powergaming or not. Simply saying this for anyone else who is confused about this.

Now, Surrealistik, the rest is pointed towards you.

This isn't the first time someone had to be talked to or even been banned based off of ridiculous skill levels, though. The OP was a rather exceptional case in that they have outright refused to listen to anyone else's logic save for their own and have been dismissive of any criticism.

We will not be making exceptions for you. Permitting you to play a genius-level one in a million-type character would not be fair to anyone else that plays to the character limitations we have set to keep an even playing field, avoid cross-class skill drama, and issues where one person completely takes over the job of another simply because they've shoehorned themselves into a role where they can counterplay any situation without any consideration for the people who play specifically to be able to do their job without it being hijacked by another not even in the same role. It would set a terrible precedent, not unlike the bar of awful powergaming you seem to have reset.

You will rebalance your character, you will cut out the powergaming and you will improve your attitude when you log onto the server next. Is this much clear?

[DatBerry]

As the two staff members failed to mention it in a clear manner, ill just have to give my onions on what you should've done to:

Nuke the knowledge in engineering, age up the character, setup his records to justify his knowledge in the fields and get command approval before having the pathogans leave virology.

[Scheveningen]

As the two staff members failed to mention it in a clear manner, ill just have to give my onions on what you should've done to:

Nuke the knowledge in engineering, age up the character, setup his records to justify his knowledge in the fields and get command approval before having the pathogans leave virology.

I understand you didn't make it the last rotation around for moderator applications, and that must be unfortunate, but there's no need to backseat moderate and tell staff what they should've been doing in response to a case that happened on the server that you yourself were not present for. Staff decisions are final on the server until appealed. This doesn't seem to be getting appealed, and it expires tomorrow.

He was asked to adjust and tone down behavior before. The second time, he had to be told, and when he refused to be compliant in both and seemed more intent on continuing on the path to powergame, the ban was issued to create a wake-up call.

I'd be more than happy to discuss with him when the ban wears off how to avoid getting bwoinked again for similar behavior.

[Surrealistik]

Again, geniuses are not even remotely 'one in a million' (again, more like 1-2 in a hundred), and a genius doctor is not an unrealistic character. These assertions are straight up ridiculous. Further, I didn't say that scientists and doctors aren't geniuses, but that though they may not always be geniuses, they are significantly more likely than the general population to be geniuses (average IQs for MDs are around the 120-130 mark, which is damned close to genius level).

If there's some completely unwritten rule or prohibition against them that I'm forced to abide by under penalty of banning, fine, I'll comply, but there's no way these things make even the slightest iota of sense.

Third, no, inaprovaline only came up once during that round after I left virology to treat some patients, and used it to get to them with sanic speed as precursor testing to my paramedic program you interrupted with admunning.

Fourth, I did not and do not hijack anyone's role/job. I focus on my role as Surgeon as I'm supposed to save when I choose to commit to another role (like Virology/Chemistry), and fill cracks in Medbay as needed.

[DatBerry]

I understand you didn't make it the last rotation around for moderator applications, and that must be unfortunate, but there's no need to backseat moderate and tell staff what they should've been doing in response to a case that happened on the server that you yourself were not present for. Staff decisions are final on the server until appealed. This doesn't seem to be getting appealed, and it expires tomorrow.

 

???? i was giving them advice on how to go around experimenting with virology and how to setup their character skills. from the logs on server all nursie said was that their character needs fixing, without any real pointers on how.

you did give some in the thread but they weren't bundled up in one response clear of passive aggressiveness, it's hard to take criticism when people giving it seem rude.

 

Again, geniuses are not even remotely 'one in a million' (again, more like 1-2 in a hundred), and a genius doctor is not an unrealistic character. These assertions are straight up ridiculous. Further, I didn't say that scientists and doctors aren't geniuses, but that though they may not always be geniuses, they are significantly more likely than the general population to be geniuses (average IQs for MDs are around the 120-130 mark, which is damned close to genius level).

If there's some completely unwritten rule or prohibition against them that I'm forced to abide by under penalty of banning, fine, I'll comply, but there's no way these things make even the slightest iota of sense.

 

 

even if you're a 2% genius, that doesn't mean you can take all the courses and work experience to get that skillset in 30 years, besides, it's also toeing the Mary Sue law, we had an IPC who knew everything about science a bit of medical and was also a combat robot, while maybe it's not so unrealistic for a robot to know so much, but it was simply too much of a snowflake mary sue to be allowed to continue, if your character is so damn good, he wouldn't be working in a random station in the edge of the local system.

[Surrealistik]

even if you're a 2% genius, that doesn't mean you can take all the courses and work experience to get that skillset in 30 years, besides, it's also toeing the Mary Sue law, we had an IPC who knew everything about science a bit of medical and was also a combat robot, while maybe it's not so unrealistic for a robot to know so much, but it was simply too much of a snowflake mary sue to be allowed to continue, if your character is so damn good, he wouldn't be working in a random station in the edge of the local system.

 

Pretty much all of the medical skills could be acquired in that time; MD learn pretty much all of it to trained proficiency in their 8 years as is in the modern day.

Keep in mind that the speed at which you acquire skills is a function of intelligence and the density of your educational itinerary. Assuming admission at 18, a true full time student, nevermind a genius, could most certainly acquire all of those abilities in 12 years (Constrution at 'trained' was not intentional though; that should be amateur).

That said, there definitely could be reasons for geniuses being at backwater stations. Hell, geniuses work rote, shitty jobs IRL routinely, and often because they can't quite nail the social/emotional intelligence which is so important for advancement and integration within society. In the case of my character I envisioned it as being more the outcome of professional censure due to overtly aggressive and controversial experimentation in biochemistry that push the bounds of what is acceptable/ethical, and may arguably transcend them (appropriate!).

[Muncorn]

Due to the ban timer ending a good while ago, I'll be closing this appeal.