Kaed Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 Will ponder and may redo the PR. But soporific in borgs is dumb considering the current policy on silicons and their abilities. It is policy that silicons can intervene without fear of death in situations where a crew member's life is in danger or there's a legitimate chance of them getting the opponent down without injury to themselves. @Garnascus and @Shadow can correct me. This makes mechanical adjustments in lieu of this fact necessary, unless policy is altered. So they either get an injection timer, or they get sopo removed. Or some third solution that I'm open to. All to make them less effective combatants because fuck soporific hyposprays. How about giving them a specific, separate injector tool for soporific that has 1 second timer and some sort of public alert ("Now injecting soporific, please hold") that they are using it. That way, it can be quickly dispensed, and also alerts people that is what they are being injected with. There is no valid reason you should be stealth injecting people with soporific as a borg so quickly that they have no time to react. People who actually need it won't mind, and people who are already antags have to be stunned first to get sleepytime for being a bad guy.
Bygonehero Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Will ponder and may redo the PR. But soporific in borgs is dumb considering the current policy on silicons and their abilities. It is policy that silicons can intervene without fear of death in situations where a crew member's life is in danger or there's a legitimate chance of them getting the opponent down without injury to themselves. @Garnascus and @Shadow can correct me. This makes mechanical adjustments in lieu of this fact necessary, unless policy is altered. So they either get an injection timer, or they get sopo removed. Or some third solution that I'm open to. All to make them less effective combatants because fuck soporific hyposprays. How about giving them a specific, separate injector tool for soporific that has 1 second timer and some sort of public alert ("Now injecting soporific, please hold") that they are using it. That way, it can be quickly dispensed, and also alerts people that is what they are being injected with. There is no valid reason you should be stealth injecting people with soporific as a borg so quickly that they have no time to react. People who actually need it won't mind, and people who are already antags have to be stunned first to get sleepytime for being a bad guy. We have that it's called a syringe.
Kaed Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Will ponder and may redo the PR. But soporific in borgs is dumb considering the current policy on silicons and their abilities. It is policy that silicons can intervene without fear of death in situations where a crew member's life is in danger or there's a legitimate chance of them getting the opponent down without injury to themselves. @Garnascus and @Shadow can correct me. This makes mechanical adjustments in lieu of this fact necessary, unless policy is altered. So they either get an injection timer, or they get sopo removed. Or some third solution that I'm open to. All to make them less effective combatants because fuck soporific hyposprays. How about giving them a specific, separate injector tool for soporific that has 1 second timer and some sort of public alert ("Now injecting soporific, please hold") that they are using it. That way, it can be quickly dispensed, and also alerts people that is what they are being injected with. There is no valid reason you should be stealth injecting people with soporific as a borg so quickly that they have no time to react. People who actually need it won't mind, and people who are already antags have to be stunned first to get sleepytime for being a bad guy. We have that it's called a syringe. Syringes take 3 seconds to inject unless you are in hostile intent, so I'm not sure you're really making a valid analogy here. Wasn't the entire purpose of this suggestion thread at this point 'what can you do rather than giving them syringe nerf? This seems unnecessarily dismissive as a reply. This seems to me to be a middle ground between making it hard to dispense medicine and making it hard to sedate people in seconds.
Scheveningen Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 this is a lot of circular discussion over nerfing robot hyposprays, never knew such a topic could be so controversial.
Chada1 Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 this is a lot of circular discussion over nerfing robot hyposprays, never knew such a topic could be so controversial. I think it's mostly that the old nerf affected every player, and the new nerf only affects the players who were misusing it, and yet still completely eliminates the problem feature. That's the main reason it blew up and ended here.
Bygonehero Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Pretty sure replacing soporfic with Tramadol in borg hyposprays is the best solution. Its simple, doesn't change whether or not medi borgs can do a surgery in triage situations. Soporfic is the kind of chemical you want administered in exact amounts during surgery. Other than a syringe there isn't really a better way to do that.
Scheveningen Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Replacing it with Tramadol is fine. It goes against the core values and effectively speaking the laws of a cyborg to be sedating people because it does constitute as a form of harm to forcibly put someone to sleep. No good reason to give a borg soporific anyway.
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