AWPen Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 BYOND Key: AWPenheimer Staff BYOND Key: (This is the Byond Login/Ckey of the staff member) Scheveningen Game ID: bOJ-daka (It was a voted merc round) Reason for complaint: (State your reason for your complaint) Giving my 3rd (And subsequent ban) in discord for mentioning the fact it was a mercenary round, even though it was voted in meaning everyone knew it was merc anyhow. Also the 2nd warning for mentioning how no one fear rp's opening doors into breached areas, not being specific to anyone in the game nor mentioning name, location or time. So in no way could it have ever affected the round. Evidence/logs/etc: Ingame logs. https://pastebin.com/J2F9UZAW Discord logs https://kama.skullnet.me/index.php/s/glVr5HWhcSwP8p6 Additional remarks: I understand the discord ban is only two days, but both my 2nd and 3rd warning I believe did not break the IC in OOC chat in anyway, shape or form and this is why I wish to talk about this. I mentioned opening an airlock into a vented area correct, I talked about it in discord and mentioned that no one fear rps it anymore but not mentioning names, time or any details that could affect the round. Also since mercenary were already voted in everyone knew the round time, thus making the 3rd warning and ban incorrect.
Alberyk Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 I did give you the first strike not because you said anything about fear rp, instead you told exactly what happened as in stand around with the sword; However, this all happened in a single day, and the ban seems to be result of you not understand that you should not talk about what is going in the round in the discord channel.
Scheveningen Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 As above. Inchs - Yesterday at 3:56 PM tf even is smc Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:56 PM I thought it was just PSched+StonedMC. DatBerry - Yesterday at 3:56 PM the game's heart Ron - Yesterday at 3:56 PM It's a stone that the server uses to run King Buttebot - Yesterday at 3:56 PM GarnMC is still rooted in the old PSched design, Lohikar. Ron - Yesterday at 3:56 PM From space DatBerry - Yesterday at 3:56 PM >garnMC Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:56 PM It doesn't actually run though. DatBerry - Yesterday at 3:56 PM garn codes? Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:56 PM and it's Carn.(edited) King Buttebot - Yesterday at 3:56 PM All of the old controllers you've been gleefully killing are CarnMC. Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:56 PM CarnMC just handles init in bay. Inchs - Yesterday at 3:57 PM mercenary Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:57 PM CarnMC also used subsystems iirc. Inchs - Yesterday at 3:57 PM feels bad man King Buttebot - Yesterday at 3:57 PM Ye, it doesn't tick I guess. But it's still in there. Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:57 PM It starts PSched then dies I believe. Inchs - Yesterday at 3:57 PM time for a shit fest boys Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:57 PM and @Inchs, SMC is a huge PR I made that overhauled the heart of the game engine. Inchs - Yesterday at 3:57 PM oh sweet Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:57 PM StonedMC was part of it. Inchs - Yesterday at 3:58 PM what did it actually do make it all smooth like my ass Lohikar - Yesterday at 3:58 PM In terms of player experience, less lag, faster boot. Inchs - Yesterday at 4:00 PM >mer >merc >no heads nice this si why people need to go through whitelists ParadoxSpace - Yesterday at 4:13 PM when are we getting sticky grenades Fire and Glory - Yesterday at 4:13 PM because they're not hard enough to avoid already Alberyk - Yesterday at 4:14 PM We have them It is called c4 Fire and Glory - Yesterday at 4:14 PM Just set the timer really short and throw it Alberyk - Yesterday at 4:14 PM Nope. Fire and Glory - Yesterday at 4:14 PM You can pretend it stuck to them because they couldn't escape it Alberyk - Yesterday at 4:14 PM Won't work Fire and Glory - Yesterday at 4:14 PM Are we talking about C4 or grenades Alberyk - Yesterday at 4:14 PM You need to do some snowflake bullshit to turn them C4 Fire and Glory - Yesterday at 4:14 PM I'm talking about grenades Alberyk - Yesterday at 4:14 PM not the same Fire and Glory - Yesterday at 4:15 PM C4 is not sticky grenades so Alberyk - Yesterday at 4:16 PM that is because you lack creativity Gomplate Cabbage - Yesterday at 4:16 PM Adding duct tape to frag grenades for ghetto C4 when(edited) DatBerry - Yesterday at 4:20 PM we need space succubi race Gomplate Cabbage - Yesterday at 4:21 PM Resomi Or maybe we could overhaul taj to fit that role Make cute cat waifus canon Inchs - Yesterday at 4:30 PM why is fear rp just not a thing anymore Synthy - Yesterday at 4:30 PM Borgs? Inchs - Yesterday at 4:30 PM no people casually entering areas open to space Gomplate Cabbage - Yesterday at 4:31 PM Like Without any protection? Inchs - Yesterday at 4:31 PM yes Gomplate Cabbage - Yesterday at 4:31 PM That's dumb and you should have a very good reason to do it When you see it happening ahelp Itzal - Yesterday at 4:31 PM Time to make space mor lethal Inchs - Yesterday at 4:31 PM i did Alberyk - Yesterday at 4:31 PM Walk into space without a suit for a bit gibs you Like in real life Gomplate Cabbage - Yesterday at 4:32 PM >for a bit instantly* Inchs - Yesterday at 4:32 PM i did ahelp and it was deemed ic issue King Buttebot - Yesterday at 4:33 PM If you object, complant time. Inchs - Yesterday at 4:35 PM more issue then help Scheveningen - Yesterday at 4:37 PM @Inchs what is your goddamn deal and bringing IC shit into OOC ?strike @Inchs Anime is ShitBOT - Yesterday at 4:37 PM @Scheveningen, operation successful! Inchs - Yesterday at 4:37 PM what? Scheveningen - Yesterday at 4:37 PM this is the second time today you've brought IC stuff into the discord Inchs - Yesterday at 4:37 PM what ic stuff Scheveningen - Yesterday at 4:37 PM this is an OOC channel. Inchs - Yesterday at 4:37 PM someone opening an airlock wow round changing that is thats going to stop the mercs this round that one airlock Scheveningen - Yesterday at 4:38 PM Okay, goodbye. ?strike @Inchs Anime is ShitBOT - Yesterday at 4:38 PM @Scheveningen, operation successful! Synnono - Yesterday at 4:38 PM Shev means try to keep IC out of OOC while the round is still going on. It's high up there on the rules. Or Are they gone >_> Scheveningen - Yesterday at 4:38 PM thats 3 strikes in one day unbelievable
AWPen Posted May 31, 2017 Author Posted May 31, 2017 I am not contesting nor complaining about your strike Alberyk, so theres no need to be here. I am contesting the 2nd and mostly 3rd warning received. The 2nd one which I assume was for this people casually entering areas open to space How is that in anyway specific to the round or in anyway relating to the round? This provides no detail to anyone in that channel that knows it is from the current round. I also assume the third warning was from this someone opening an airlockwow round changing that is thats going to stop the mercs this round that one airlock Here admittedly I did get angry. However since I was already warned for mentioning the airlock here, you couldnt have warned me again for saying it, if I murdered one person I do not get charged with murder twice after all. I assume your talking about how I mentioned it was mercenary, even though we voted mercenary in and everyone could see it was mercenary anyways. Which is why I am mostly contesting the 3rd warning, however this does not exclude me contesting the 2nd one.
Faris Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Here's what I gathered from the strikes and how I think they're justified. Mentioning that there are vented areas which you were directly affected to gives the indication or a certain idea of how the round is going. Third is you back talking the staff member that originally strikes you in a very unfriendly tone, while I'd have personally told you to cool it, staff aren't required to attitude from the players just because they disagree. Furthermore, your comment also gives an idea that could be true or false about the round. Personally I think you should apologize and appeal to have your ban removed.
AWPen Posted May 31, 2017 Author Posted May 31, 2017 No indication was given that talking about vented areas was relating to the current round. By following how the staff are acting about it now, players should never be able to talk about vented areas and such because it may relate to the game? By this logic no ooc chat can ever occur if there is a chance it can relate to the current round.
AWPen Posted May 31, 2017 Author Posted May 31, 2017 I did not mean to be aggressive to the staff in anyway, and I apologise if it game off that way however my point still stands that I should not have received warnings.
Scheveningen Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 The discord ban will wear off later this evening. You may rejoin the discord when it wears off around 5PM EST. In case I wasn't clear the first time, though... If at any point in time you feel like; - discussing any moments in OOC or discord that happened in an ongoing round: don't. - complaining in OOC or discord about staff action that wasn't taken on someone who made an honest mistake in an ongoing round: don't. - discussing the current antagonists and their current doings in an ongoing round: don't. You may NOT discuss anything pertaining to the current round in terms of relevance, excuses such as hypotheticals and etc will not be accepted. Adminhelp for specific questions, and if nothing comes of it, drop it, and get over it. I will not make a point of disciplining people who make IC mistakes such as opening firelocks, that is up to security to be dealing with. Funny enough in that round, you were playing as security and rather than making the attempt to detain them and move the person you were complaining about opening a firelock into a depressurized area, you instead adminhelped to complain about him and you insisted I talk to him. Come on. You have a baton. Deal with him. I will make a point of dropping the hammer on people who misuse discord to talk about the current round. Discord is an OOC outlet as well, especially as it is the official Aurora discord. Anything to be discussed regarding the current round, had better stay in IC. Anything else goes in OOC, for obvious reasons. We aren't babysitters for IC stuff, and we shouldn't be called upon for really minor cases like that. Stuff like, "Man opens firelock into depressurized area, security adminhelps to whine about it" is awful context for us to be talking to people for. What I'm not able to get over is that you still broke the rule on IC in OOC and you were handed a discord ban for it, especially after the two warnings preceding the ban should've told you, "Okay, maybe I should stop."
AWPen Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 I am not contesting the Discord b an more as how you handled the situation. Yes I did mention airlocks and fear rp, however what I'm saying is unless it is directly sinkable to the round via very obvious things (and minor of course) such as names, locations etc then it cannot be classed as IC in OOC. By the logic your trying to instate players can never talk about any rounds, game modes or anything such as fear RP because it /may/ link to the round. I could be talking about the mercenary game mode for example and get warned for it by your logic, because it may link to the round in progress coincidentally. In the situation you did not ask me if it was about the current round nor did you question what I was actually saying, but instead jumped to a conclusion and warned me without having properly reviewed the situation ,as many staff members seem to do.
Scheveningen Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 By the logic your trying to instate players can never talk about any rounds, game modes or anything such as fear RP because it /may/ link to the round. You've misinterpreted my words and my intent. The rule regarding IC in OOC is in place to prevent people who are upset about how things didn't turn out their way from spoiling the outcome of the round to other people and letting them know of antagonists, who got killed, who did what that was right/wrong or whatever. Just don't do it. It is not a hard precedent to follow. If you're going to say something that relates to the round and in turn breaks the rule about IC in OOC, why do it? OOC is not the place to discuss such things, especially when the round is still ongoing. The players aren't going to know anything for absolute certain about the rules and nor do they have any influence in enforcing the rules beyond reporting things to the people who actually do it, so there's no point in asking their opinion in OOC, the administration team does know how to do that and is given that power, that is why we're here. What part of what I said about the ruling don't you understand? In the situation you did not ask me if it was about the current round nor did you question what I was actually saying, but instead jumped to a conclusion and warned me without having properly reviewed the situation ,as many staff members seem to do. I did not have to ask you anything. I was about ready to go offline after having observed a good portion of the round, and I checked discord just to see you ICing in OOC again after already being warned a few hours prior. The first one should've given you a hint to stop ICing in OOC. I knew immediately right off the bat you were ICing in OOC because it was relating to a round I was watching intently. There's no excuse for what you did at 11AM this morning, you got a strike for that. The second strike was for ICing in OOC again. And then when I told you to stop after the second strike, you decided to keep going and reveal more details about the round, which earned you a 2 day ban from the discord.
AWPen Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 Is talking about airlocks and areas open to space anyway intending to ruin anybodies round? I do not understand how talking about fear rp regarding airlocks is spoiling the outcome of the round for anyone. The second strike was for ICing in OOC again. And then when I told you to stop after the second strike, you decided to keep going and reveal more details about the round, which earned you a 2 day ban from the discord. I infact DID NOT reveal any information about the round, yes i did mention it was a mercenary round however, WE VOTED MERCENARY IN, so that means only one thing, you warned me for mentioning airlocks yet again, effectively charging me twice for the same crime. If someone is in court for murder, do they get charged twice for the same murder? No. Your making this look a lot worse on yourself by saying that you warned me for the same thing twice.
Faris Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 Hi, sorry for the delay, assumed someone took it over. So, in regards to OOC in IC rules, you can be as obscure or as obvious as you like, it doesn't change the fact a rule was broken here. It is my firm believe that the two strikes were just and that you've corrected your ways since then, I don't believe you suffered any infractions after that. Locking and archiving.
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