ReynTheLord Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 BYOND Key: Reyntime13 Game ID: Various rounds Player Byond Key: Sleepy wolf Staff involved: For one of the ahelps (about an incident where bloke two was welding a prisoner which was being re detained by a security officer into a locker), The name of the admin who responded escaped me, but it mightve been wolf. I also discussed with other staff. Oh and, either way, wolf was involved as wolf is indeed staff. Reason for complaint: General grief across multiple rounds as bloke two, an IPC, where they don't speak pretty much at all, and causes general havoc, such as welding a prisoner into a locker while said prisoner is being re-arrested, or generally tearing apart the dance floor in bar, all while constantly smiling, nothing else. A mute, insane ipc. Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation?At the time of the one incident where bloke two was welding someone into a locker, yes, I ahelped it, due to it being downright grief, and the staff responding said it was an IC issue. Approximate Date/Time: Various Additional notes: When the question of who plays bloke two was answered, this happened. [Moderator PM] Sleepy Wolf: it's me. Please note if i should either move this to A. a staff complaint or B. An incident report. or make this less general and if the situatuion would warrant a full on player complaint or full on character complaint instead of both.
SleepyWolf Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 The incident of welding the prisoner in a locker: Security asked me to do that, and then after security moved the locker to the holding cell, I unwelded it. The prisoner came out and beat up the officer, I closed the locker and welded it again responding to that. I unwelded it after security said unweld it again, and security handled the rest while I went away. Onto the 'destroying the bar'. I started to take apart a table, moved a light floor from the rave center to under the table, and then you shot me. I stopped what I was doing, put the table back, and you shot me again. I fixed everything after you said 'Stop', and then after that, I asked you 'May I change the tables over there?' - and ever since then, I have been asking if I can do changes to the bar to every barkeep. Bloke Two is a character I play to watch the rounds, I walk around the station and build small 3 tile seating areas to write Haikus, (Which I learned how to do from another player), and I make friends that teach me how to do most of the things or language that Bloke uses. Bloke has been taught how to build stuff, hack vendors, play 'Even or Odd', frown, say 'Cool' and 'Friend', write haikus, and to compliment people a lot. I'll change my character to be something less 'Freaky'. I am just tired of you constantly berating me for doing near nothing. I'm changing my character to be less of a meme, but the only meme he was was his look of being grey-tide. The rest was just learnt from other people.
DatBerry Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 I don't see why an IPC acting non-human should change to accommodate the social norms when they aren't breaking any lore or OOC rules, we're supposed to encourage weird, interesting and bizarre actions from IPCs not discourage them and end up with either a respirited human or hardcore ice cold robot.
Scheveningen Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 I already asked sleepy to reconsider changing Bloke Two's appearance from typical greytide to something less offensive to the ruleset. Any concerns relating to that are null considering I brought this up to him and other staff members before this complaint was put up.
nodnodnod Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 Being the person that was welded in the locker, and later released by the warden because of the security officer being at fault initially, I can say that I had not heard a single time where Bloke was ordered/requested by security to weld me in a locker. I would be very interested in the logs of that round, to see if they did, in fact, make that request. It's possible that I missed it, but again, I was watching chat because I was involved in it so heavily. It's also fairly meme-worthy to weld someone in a locker mid-combat, but I suppose that's something that should be fixed via game mechanics where welding takes several seconds to accomplish instead of being an insta-click thing. A second incident involving myself and Bloke on a different character was where I was dragged into a null-grav holodeck and held in the middle where I couldn't move, and subsequently beaten into pain crit and given a shattered skull because I "touched the gravity and his blonde friend had been seriously injured by gravity" (this is a paraphrase of what I was told by sleepy wolf later on, I cannot recall the exact words, but I believe it was said in discord). Overall, I don't have a problem with an IPC being quirky, but I do have a problem with meme-like activity and actions that equate into overt violence and potential murder of other crewmen. Bloke, as he exists, is far too quirky to exist on a NanoTrasen facility. It is beyond quirk most of the time and borders on what would be considered, if it were a human, to be sociopathic or mentally retarded, which obviously would restrict employment. But maybe I've just seen the bad and none of the good simply by chance.
Scheveningen Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 While I hate flipping complaints from the original focus, I'm mostly going to outline why I think the complaint is not really valid in the course of attempting to pursue OOC change beyond what was already done. 1.) The OP has a reputation for sending adminhelps and reports that "cry wolf", to explain the idiom, the OP has effectively not been able to step back and view the larger picture of something they take issue with, and approach it as objectively, unbiased and hopefully avoiding using emotionally charged language to challenge the issue. 2.) The OP has been told almost countless times to stop complaining in deadchat over what could be considered OOC issues and actually present them in a productive format such as on the forums. 3.) The OP has also been witnessed DMing staff members over the singular issue of Bloke Two and generally just complaining unerringly about it. The OP seemingly has not relented in this case and I am just out of patience when it comes to dealing with someone who just seems to be hell-bent on doing nothing other than focusing on this issue alone with such a massive amount of emotionally-charged investment. Any meme-like activity from Bloke Two has been curbed and Sleepy has been issued a "would you kindly" to better roleplay their new IPC character as a serious character concept rather than an unserious character archetype. In time such concerns may be dismissed over whether Bloke Two is still a meme character. But taking into consideration any other complaints on the same subject but on different facets of Bloke Two, I'm taking with a minuscule molecule of sodium when it is coming from the OP, because it has proven very difficult to trust testimony from Reyntime due to the issues I outlined above.
ReynTheLord Posted August 8, 2017 Author Posted August 8, 2017 In that case, adminhelps will be used more sparingly and formally
nodnodnod Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 Quote While I hate flipping complaints from the original focus, I'm mostly going to outline why I think the complaint is not really valid in the course of attempting to pursue OOC change beyond what was already done. 1.) The OP has a reputation for sending adminhelps and reports that "cry wolf", to explain the idiom, the OP has effectively not been able to step back and view the larger picture of something they take issue with, and approach it as objectively, unbiased and hopefully avoiding using emotionally charged language to challenge the issue. 2.) The OP has been told almost countless times to stop complaining in deadchat over what could be considered OOC issues and actually present them in a productive format such as on the forums. 3.) The OP has also been witnessed DMing staff members over the singular issue of Bloke Two and generally just complaining unerringly about it. The OP seemingly has not relented in this case and I am just out of patience when it comes to dealing with someone who just seems to be hell-bent on doing nothing other than focusing on this issue alone with such a massive amount of emotionally-charged investment. Any meme-like activity from Bloke Two has been curbed and Sleepy has been issued a "would you kindly" to better roleplay their new IPC character as a serious character concept rather than an unserious character archetype. In time such concerns may be dismissed over whether Bloke Two is still a meme character. But taking into consideration any other complaints on the same subject but on different facets of Bloke Two, I'm taking with a minuscule molecule of sodium when it is coming from the OP, because it has proven very difficult to trust testimony from Reyntime due to the issues I outlined above. I'm okay with this. I hadn't ever considered it enough of an issue to actually make a complaint about it, but Bloke is consistently noticed by myself and generally not in good ways. If there's going to be more effort to be a more reasonable and realistic IPC with quirks, as opposed to a meme that 'learns from what it sees' but only (from my experience) learns the stupidity that gets witnessed, then that's cool.
Scheveningen Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 That was the intention of the short discussion we had with Sleepy before this complaint arose. Personally I've not had issues seeing Bloke Two after the changes. The only initial issue I had with Bloke Two was that their image merely personified the greytide archetype, and that their behavior almost delved into similar territory, and I brought this up with sleepy pre-emptively since I had a feeling that it could create issues for the future.
sonicgotnuked Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 You know, I honestly seen no issues with bloke. The thing is, if you want trouble maker assistants to not cause trouble, than give it something to do.
Scheveningen Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 I will consider this resolved at this point. I'll give it 24 hours before I end up closing this report.
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