[Resolved] Player Complaint - NebulaFlare

[hivefleetchicken]

BYOND Key: Hivefleetchicken

Game ID: Neb's IR says bQd-a9o8 .

Player Byond Key: NebulaFlare

Staff involved: I spoke to Whiterabit, who in turn spoke to staff and got logs verifying my side of the story.

Reason for complaint: https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=8921

Nebulaflare made an incident report with the intent of getting Zouzoror in trouble while intentionally omitting several crucial facts about that round, including that they were antag.

There was a pretty ordinary traitor round. I was playing Shas'kala Sakaei, a puritan Unathi warden. Working alongside me was the Unathi templar Sonorous Zouzoror. At one point in the round a Guwan (someone who has decided to make a character that will be subjected to racism and discrimination) joined. They were stopped at the checkpoint by our checkpoint officer Zouzoror. What ensued was tasteful, subtle racist roleplay (from what I gathered). Zouzoror made them file out extra paperwork, acted paranoid, all that. Seemed apprehensive about letting a Guwan on. Things were repeated to this degree repeatedly in the round, until antags came and started killing everyone. Small things like having a search warrant for her, having her fill out unnecessary paperwork. Very realistic, subtle, and overall good prejudice RP. Nebulaflare, playing the traitor officer Echo, took GREAT issue with this, giving the crewmember weaponry to attack security with. Later in the round, we had officers being killed and numerous traitors declaring their evil allegiances and we were running around with guns hunting them. It was all in all a successful, but non-canon round with plenty of antags and some fun RP.

https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=8921

I was surprised to see that Nebulaflare actually made an incident report the next morning based from their point of view. An incident in a round that they were a traitor in, and one filled with inaccuracies under the guise of "making the traitor stuff non-canon." I have a huge problem with this, since you can't omit key influences on behavior, like murders and mayhem, in order to bust a guy for something he did amidst the chaos. If it is a nuke ops round, and there are no heads to raise the alert level, you cannot "omit" the entirety of the nuclear ops and the emergency to say "I SAW X OFFICER HOLDING A LASER GUN IN THE OPEN". That's just not fair. The entire round should be considered in order to get every influence, and if there are people being killed that round... Who the heck is going to actually consider that canon enough to make an incident report?

I'd like to pursue this a bit further by asking why Nebula didn't do anything as a traitor. If they solely kept from being majorly seditious so that they could keep their interactions canon and therefore get Zouzoror in trouble, I am very offended. That is not the way we play. In traitor rounds you add to the narrative, not do whatever you can to shut other peoples' down. We currently have a threat on punishing people who do not make anything of their antag selection. If you don't want to act like an antag, turn the preference off. I have gotten antag as Sakaei ONCE in my time playing on this map because there are people who keep all of their preferences on, and I am disappointed to see they don't do anything with the potential roleplay opportunities they take from me. Ok short rant on that over.

One more thing. I don't like Incident Reports, never will, because what I saw that round was excellent IC conflict RP. You are KILLING all subtle conflict and restricting it to purely non-canon traitor-slaughter-fests by reporting every small thing you see, every time you can. Zouzoror and the Guwan's players both seemed to enjoy that. If you did not enjoy it, don't interact, or shut it down, but keep it within the round. If people want to make characters that are prone to conflict when meeting very obvious opposing viewpoints on-station, who are you to run in with universal recorders and cameras and go "UMMM I'D LIKE EVERYONE TO KNOW... CHOOSE YOUR NEXT WORDS VERY CAREFULLY THIS IS GOING ON THE FORUMS", that's just like the opposite of roleplay in my opinion. This game is not made for people to sit at desks and get suspended the second they drop a cup of coffee on the ground or throw an egg at someone, or tell someone to fuck off. We have characters that are made to be troublemakers, and if they butt heads with other people and are enjoying it, why are we making it an OOC issue? (You can tell me that IRs are purely IC but in my opinion there's nothing IC about them. You get PMed to run somewhere one round and then job banned for a week. The only thing not OOC about them is that you have to use in-game chat to defend yourself, but it's all just forum complaint nonsense that you say in the voice of your characters instead of your own.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? I spoke to Whiterabit when I saw the Incident Report and made sure it was taken down.

Approximate Date/Time: uhh like 12:30 AM PST 8/29/2017

[NebulaFlare]

Wow. Um. Okay.

 

• I was antag - not denying it. When the checkpoint incident happened, I was still trying to come up with a gimmick to make the round interesting. I didn't have anything and I hadn't done anything. I hadn't purchased any antag devices yet, nor had I broken away from the mold of officer Echo. It was still very early into the round, and I had placed antaggery on hold until I could come up with something fruitful and interesting.
   
  
• I like the IC banter between Zouzoror and Guwan - it builds RP. Echo isn't going to sit idly to the side when there is this self-righteous Unathi - who fires off all the triggers in his circuit brain - starts harassing a Guwan. Zouzoror was being a straight-up jerk to the Guwan. Socially permittable for Unathi? Yes. Socially permittible for non-Unathi? No. Echo's going to defend her. He was concerned for the Guwan's well being, since she did say she was scared for her life. That's more than enough for Echo to try and shield her from Zouzoror.
   
  
• Guwan asked me to make the IR for them. I shrugged, went, "Yeah. Sure. I can do that. I saw it and it's something Echo would file a report on anyway."
   
  
• I pulled back on antagging the harassments - heck, I could have gone full 'white knight', buy a gun, and assassinate Sakaei and Zouzoror. That would have been justified! But the RP you were having with Guwan was good: it was entertaining. I did not need to antag it. I did not want to spoil that. I really wanted to focus my antagging on something else.
   
  
• The most I did was purchase a parapen and give it to Guwan for self-protection. In my eyes, it would have been akin to handing her a flash.
   
  
• Sakaei was holding a laser weapon outside of the brig. That's a breach of protocol. He also left the brig and ran off to respond to calls. He was a warden, not an officer. It wasn't a nuke round, and as far as I was concerned, the explosions were accidental screwups - not warranting a gun. There wasn't any 'murder and mayhem' until the very end of the round, and he was out and about the entire time.
  
   
  

  Half of your job is to look after the prisoners; make sure they aren't abused or given unfair sentences and that they don't escape. The other half of your job is to arm security with weapons in emergencies. You are not a Security Officer and should not leave the brig if possible. However, you may operate as an officer shall the need arise, under the permission of your HoS.

  There were four officers on duty. Sakaei did not need to act as another officer.
   
  
• My first antag mission was trying to find out how to rob the station of credits - I never got the chance. My second antag mission at the very end was to try and kill the paramedic. But...that didn't happen. (and I'm not going to go kill the paramedic when the Unathi who hate Echo are already hunting him down. Paramedic will die, objective met. Getting in the way was just suicide. They don't care if Echo gets scrapped to meet their goal, and Echo knows this very well.)
  

[hivefleetchicken]

I get the wiki referencing, and I WAS out of the brig for a large portion of the round. For the first quarter of the round, I left because the Guwan asked me to mediate the conflict at the checkpoint.

In the second quarter of the round, the available officers had a disagreement and I had to go over and mediate it. I kept my pistol out, which was described as a laser carbine in your IR, but oh well. I told you to cease harassing each other.

I also left the brig because of the package I was bringing to the armory from research, and was kept outside because the attempted firebombing incident happened in the room next to the one I was in.

Then after that, Hynes said he was being killed in disposals. I went with the borg, having lethals, hoping to cover officers. Immediately after that, I got appendicitis and was in surgery for a while. When I finally got back to the brig it had been broken into. I took a shotgun out, handed what supplies we could find to officers, and then I went hunting for, and killed, the antags.

It was a pretty busy round for me if you can't tell.

[Butterrobber202]

just going to slap this in here

Making IC Reports while you or the Offender is an Antag is generally seen as a no-no, considering all traces of antag actions are wiped from lore after each round ends.

[sonicgotnuked]

No clue, I ran around with a syndicate balloon the entire time that I brought with my TCs and failed molitove the fucking Guwan like the smug paramedic ligger I was. Anyway, it was fun but a incident report should not be filed because there was a lot of traitor things going on

[Scheveningen]

I think the IC report was closed, either way.

So beyond that, could it be iterated what the goals of this complaint are?

[hivefleetchicken]

I think the IC report was closed, either way.

So beyond that, could it be iterated what the goals of this complaint are?

 

yeah i'd like neb to be reminded not to make untrue or deceptive incident reports that poorly (and inaccurately) represent characters thats all

[Scheveningen]

I think the IC report was closed, either way.

So beyond that, could it be iterated what the goals of this complaint are?

 

yeah i'd like neb to be reminded not to make untrue or deceptive incident reports that poorly (and inaccurately) represent characters thats all

 

Ignoring the fact that Nebula wrote the incident report as an antagonist, characters are allowed to lie in incident reports, it just so happens that they get punished for doing so when the DOs find out. A character lying ICly in a report is not OOCly actionable.

So the only takeaway from this is that Nebula should respect the rules regarding when you can OOCly make an incident report, and that's it. Which was already relayed to them, and I have no mind to reinforce something that was already relayed to someone.

Irrespective of whether you think otherwise, considering this resolved and not actionable.