[Accepted] Proxy - Nanotoxin unban appeal

[Thundy]

BYOND Key: Nanotoxin

Total Ban Length: Indefinite

Banning staff member's Key: Skull132

Reason of Ban: http://prntscr.com/hn73x6 basically shitposting in the discord, and then someone carried the meme onto the forums months later.

Reason for Appeal: I made the meme on the discord, using a picture of Skull and a word he had spelled incorrectly at the time. I had just intended for it to scroll by in chat, but it had affected Skull negatively and I didn't think that'd happen. I thought it would've gone off as a joke, and just be gone forever afterwards. It wasn't my intention to hurt Skull or anyone else. I had also messed around on the forums, just responding on a ban appeal for a friend. It was immature, and I was just being a silly boy, just trying to get a few laughs. If given the chance, I wouldn't repeat the mistake.

[Azande]

This is the same guy you said was abusive(?) to you IRL and is also the same guy that followed me to another game community to accuse me of being cancer, a horrible shit humabeing, and an utter waste of skin and life.....

I'd say he is not someone many of us would enjoy having back, and not many of his characters were memorable.

[Thundy]

Thundy talking here: I will address all of the points in Xanders (is that you buddy?) post, though I want to start with the fact that it has been around 4 years, give or take. Please consider how different people can be in that amount of time. This does not excuse his previous behavior but it does need to be taken into account when considering this unban appeal.

1. This is the same guy you said was abusive(?) to you IRL

It's true that Nano and I had a big falling out, of which there was a lot of details I will not disclose here. Nano was not ever abusive to me, it was a break up. If I ever said he was, I apologise.

2. is also the same guy that followed me to another game community to accuse me of being cancer, a horrible shit humabeing, and an utter waste of skin and life.....

I am not prevy to this one and therefore cannot comment. Nano has gone to bed and can answer in the morning, im sure.

3. I'd say he is not someone many of us would enjoy having back, and not many of his characters were memorable.

I'm not sure what having memorable characters does to sway an unban appeal. Many of my characters are unknown and boring but that shouldnt affect if i play on the server or not.

Please continue to bring these points up. Your comments are appreciated.

[incognitojesus]

I honestly don't think that Nanotoxin should be unbanned. In my experience with him, he's always had a terrible demeanor in OOC, and never really contributed to any sort of decent roleplay that I've seen. Not to mention the whole tiff that went on with him OOCly with people like Xander, calling him cancerous, etc. Just not the sort of behavior we should encourage here. I also find it hard to believe that it was "just a joke bro" because of this past behavior.

[Azande]

1. This is the same guy you said was abusive(?) to you IRL

It's true that Nano and I had a big falling out, of which there was a lot of details I will not disclose here. Nano was not ever abusive to me, it was a break up. If I ever said he was, I apologise.

 

Just implications of how you spoke of him at the time, understandable if it was during a breakup, as both sides tend to say things about one another in every break up. I won't factor it in to my opinion, I still however cannot lend my own support for an unban, but I will make an effort to be welcoming should staff choose to approve this.

[Thundy]

Nanotoxin has replied:

"I'm not sure what you mean terrible demeanor in OOC, seeing as how I barely spoke in the general OOC. I contributed lots of great RP with lots of great people. I was part of the Mo'taki family? Secondly, you say a big whole tiff, but there wasn't much to it, he had posted something on the forums of a server I played on (I think it was Polaris) and I had given my opinion. I had called him cancerous, because my thoughts of him from when I had played on Aurora before were that of, I did not like him. He's clearly changed though, and I commend him for being the bigger person and making the effort to be welcoming should I be unbanned. I'm also not sure what past behaviour makes it hard to believe that I wasn't doing it with harmful intentions?"

[Scheveningen]

I can't emphasize how rare these appeals are. There's a lot of very old drama dating as to the reasons why this person is banned. It always sucks when a long-time player gets banned from one of the more prolific servers that they play on, but the history behind these decisions that get made are always very interesting. It's a gold nugget among the other plain old rocks of unban appeals.

 

This is the same guy you said was abusive(?) to you IRL and is also the same guy that followed me to another game community to accuse me of being cancer, a horrible shit humabeing, and an utter waste of skin and life.....

I'd say he is not someone many of us would enjoy having back, and not many of his characters were memorable.

 

Tactful, Xander. Very tactful.

Thundy has in the past confided info about whatever happened between Thundy and Nanotoxin, and despite much of the awful shit I've heard about Nanotoxin from the mouth of Thundy, no tangible "abuse" happened. Thundy had no reason to lie about it when she talked about these issues. No physical abuse was ever mentioned. Whatever people constitute "psychological abuse" as, that's a bit of a different field that gets more or less subjective dependent on who you're talking to and what was actually said.

I'm assuming the abuse accusation originates from Dea, another good friend of Thundy, but funny enough Dea had some things going on that didn't quite make her the most credible person either.

That being said, whatever was between Thundy and Nanotoxin should remain to be nobody's fucking business. What should be considered is the other conduct, the other things Xander brought up have a fair amount of merit to them. Hunting an individual down to another server just to broadcast how much of a shitty person they actually are equates to stalking someone who quit the job you worked with them at and telling the establishment they interviewed at some nasty things about their past. It defies any sense of allowing people to have clean slates with newer communities, and it's also quite creepy and manipulative to do. It's stalker type behavior, and given the other shit Nanotoxin has done it doesn't surprise me he's trying to buy sympathy through a friend's endorsement again to make the previous outrage over their conduct outdated. Barring the fact it's Xander, in what world is it ever okay to follow someone around just to embarrass them publicly and talk shit about them?

Because that's seriously disgusting. That is extremely shameful for someone to do and right now I'm wondering on what merit Nanotoxin thinks he should come back after having done that in addition to the multitude of other things he's done that's damned himself as a pathological liar and manipulator. Not to mention the other numerous attempts of ban evading and creating numerous accounts just to mock me. Totally not stalking behavior to try to harass and embarrass someone through ban evading and calling on another one of your metafriends to engage in another one of your petty self-righteous crusades again. Can you not stay away, or is there an actual desire to reform from the terrible individual you acted like?

Because if you tried I'd be 100% willing to endorse giving you a shot, despite how much of a terrible idea it is coming from a more rational perspective. Because either you'd eventually succeed and become a better person, something we'd all feel good in seeing happen, or you'd fail and I get to prod at Garnascus about the "everyone can change" meme he talks about a lot. The only thing that really matters is that a chance was given, and you give your best shot for once.

[Jakers457]

I can't say I've had many pleasant interactions with the guy back when I was last a part of this community. If I recall, it seemed like he would post on my threads for the sole purpose of derailing it. But in spite of this, I don't being banned for a shitpost via a shitpost isn't probably the fairest of situations, especially a permanent one. A permanent ban should be about someone's overall conduct opposed, which I am unsure if it is the reason for the ban.

[Garnascus]

or you'd fail and I get to prod at Garnascus about the "everyone can change" meme he talks about a lot. The only thing that really matters is that a chance was given, and you give your best shot for once.

 

I think its possible to change. I actually agree with you for once though. What happened between thundy and nanotoxin is definitely none of my business. I will however echo a lot of the concerns posted here. Nanotoxin, your attitude in the past has frankly sucked. Especially towards xander and skull. I am not asking you to be a perfect human being. if you can tell me straight up you will play here in good faith and NOT be a butt to other players and staff then i will happily urban you.

Sound good?

[Skull132]

First, let's also put up what NanoToxin and I discussed 2 weeks ago. I'm not really sorry for getting around to solving this matter; I actually did ask the head memes but never got around to enacting the decisions. For you see, I was busy. Anyways, here it is.

 

 

Incog summarized his first attempt quite aptly: "It was just a prank, bro," is a very valid description for how NanoToxin chose to approach the issue. Taking no responsibility for his shit. Though he did kind of seem more reasonable in this appeal. Well, until this little snippet:

 

I made the meme on the discord, using a picture of Skull and a word he had spelled incorrectly at the time.

 

And back to taking no responsibility, nor even acknowledging his actions, he goes. Actually, he managed to even further minimize his role in this whole affair. Here's the thing: he absoloutely did more than just make a meme over Discord. The meme persisted until we banned the folks doing it over Discord, NT probably included (though this is hard to verify because Discord tracking is a bitch). And then he and Ryfer carried the meme into the game. We banned Ryfer, but for some reason, we didn't ban the alt account NanoToxin was using. Which was just about the only mistake done here: he should have been banned sooner. And yes, he did use an alt account, one which I was able to verify as being him by digging up some logs and matching both computerID and IP addresses to ones used by NanoToxin around that time.

We do not get legitimate trolls here often, we truly do not. But I would class NanoToxin's conduct as that of a troll's. And we have a history of being very strict with people who legitimately troll to the detriment of others. Further, [mention]Garnascus[/mention], I do not think we should even begin entertaining an unban until NanoToxin figures out his role in this whole affair. Because he's clearly yet to take responsibility for his actions, and is trying to be dishonest about the matter.

[Skull132]

Because this is apparently being entertained, I went ahead and temporarily unbanned NanoToxin from the forums. It'll make the game of telephone less silly.

[nanotoxin]

First off, thank you thundy for writing on my behalf, and thank you skull for giving me access to my account when she became unable to do so anymore. To Delta, in the post before his I address the thing with Xander. I was playing on that server that I think was polaris. I had only been playing for about a month when Xander put in an application. I made the account to reply to him, yes, but I didn't "stalk" him. Next up, the "it was just a prank", that's not what I had said at all to neither skull or had said for this appeal. It was a joke that had admittedly gone pretty far. Next, to skull. You say I don't admit what I've done, while posting a quote of me admitting what I did. Granted, I left out the part where I played a totally normal character on an alt,(I wasn't banned, and wasn't evading, I had forgot to switch account, as I do play dragon universe from time to time) where his name was Korey Feldman. Other than his name, the character shouldn't really be an issue. I haven't lied, not been dishonest, and I'm confused why I'm being told I am, and also being called a pathological liar and manipulator. I had admitted what I had done wrong. The meme had not persisted over discord, I was banned almost immediately after making that picture of skull, which is then when I had gone onto the server as the Feld character.

I appreciate people keeping mine and thundy business out of this, because I've never given my side of the story and I don't want to, so thank you for removing that pressure. And also props again to Xander for being the bigger person. I am writing this on my phone so I apologize for mis spelled words and the such.

[Skull132]

Next, to skull. You say I don't admit what I've done, while posting a quote of me admitting what I did. Granted, I left out the part where I played a totally normal character on an alt,(I wasn't banned, and wasn't evading, I had forgot to switch account, as I do play dragon universe from time to time) where his name was Korey Feldman. Other than his name, the character shouldn't really be an issue. I haven't lied, not been dishonest, and I'm confused why I'm being told I am, and also being called a pathological liar and manipulator. I had admitted what I had done wrong. The meme had not persisted over discord, I was banned almost immediately after making that picture of skull, which is then when I had gone onto the server as the Feld character.

 

There is little need to add onto my words, as I:

• Did not say nor imply that your alt was banned; I simply stated that you were using an alternate account that I was able to identify as yours.
• Am fully certain that what you did was trolling; you once again leave out the actual connection between the character of Korey Feldman and the shenanigans that had, a few minutes ago, went down on Discord. Coupled with the meme photo as flavour text, all staff online at the time agreed that it constitutes as trolling. Hence why your comrade, Ryfer, got a ban with that exact reason.
  
• Have not referred to you as nor called you a pathological liar. My point is that you have thus far failed to own and take responsibility for your conduct, and are being deceptive about the nature of your trolling.

 

If you can clearly. In one paragraph or sentence. Without any attempt to justify, defend, or otherwise protect your ego. Take ownership of your conduct and apologize for it, then [in my eyes] there may actually be a reason for unbanning you. Thus far you've failed to do the former properly and have now misconstrued and exaggerated my words without need for it.

Or you could wait and see what Garn has to say about this whole affair.

[Scheveningen]

First off, thank you thundy for writing on my behalf, and thank you skull for giving me access to my account when she became unable to do so anymore. To Delta, in the post before his I address the thing with Xander. I was playing on that server that I think was polaris. I had only been playing for about a month when Xander put in an application. I made the account to reply to him, yes, but I didn't "stalk" him. Next up, the "it was just a prank", that's not what I had said at all to neither skull or had said for this appeal. It was a joke that had admittedly gone pretty far. Next, to skull. You say I don't admit what I've done, while posting a quote of me admitting what I did. Granted, I left out the part where I played a totally normal character on an alt,(I wasn't banned, and wasn't evading, I had forgot to switch account, as I do play dragon universe from time to time) where his name was Korey Feldman. Other than his name, the character shouldn't really be an issue. I haven't lied, not been dishonest, and I'm confused why I'm being told I am, and also being called a pathological liar and manipulator. I had admitted what I had done wrong. The meme had not persisted over discord, I was banned almost immediately after making that picture of skull, which is then when I had gone onto the server as the Feld character.

I appreciate people keeping mine and thundy business out of this, because I've never given my side of the story and I don't want to, so thank you for removing that pressure. And also props again to Xander for being the bigger person. I am writing this on my phone so I apologize for mis spelled words and the such.

 

You need to actually recognize that what you did in the past (the evidently not so distant past, as it seems from what Skull's provided in a byond pager conversation) was targeted harassment towards other individuals in this community, in addition to having done it once outside this community as well. You put forward quite the extra effort in this harassment and it surprises me to see that you take zero responsibility or accountability on the behalf of your friends either, because I don't think your buddy Ryfer or AbandonedScholar would've popped around here if you didn't decide one day you weren't going to let go and stay away from the server for once because you still harbor some petty grudge from almost two years ago now. Your influence over them is pretty present, I think it'd be ignorant to dismiss the idea that you didn't suggest it would be funny to harass individuals from a community you were all banned from for a simple chuckle.

The only thing that needs to be said in response to anything else is, "I'm sorry for the harassment and it won't happen again", and this entire issue blows over and the odds are decent you'll be unbanned. With the caveat that you simply need to have a little restraint on who/what to make fun of. I personally don't care if you were a sub-par roleplayer or not, I think anyone should be able to play here while understanding they need to follow the rules and simply not be a dick to people. And know how to apologize and make up for failing to communicate appropriately.

[nanotoxin]

The connection was that skull had spelt the word "felt" as "feld" I had said in my post that I was banned almost immediately after making and posting the picture, and had gone onto the server right after that. I didn't say that you had said my alt or my main account was banned, I just wanted it explained to avoid miscommunication, I also am not exaggerating your words, Delta earlier in the thread had said I was a pathological liar. I'm not sure why you're on the attack with me, but I'm not trying to take the piss here. I have nothing to protect, defend not justify. I've given the facts of the situation and reasoning behind what I had done.

Some friends and I were in the discord with matching themed pictures. I forget what we were doing, but skull explained to someone that we were "memes who feld neglected." I searched through the forums to find the picture I had seen of skull beforehand, and I had captioned a "do you feld it now Mr Krabs" over it. I was then banned after uploading it to the aurora discord, so I can't vouch for what happened there. I then got another friend in on the joke and got onto aurora with the word Feld in my name. I don't believe I had a link to the picture in my flavourtext, I thought I had just described Corey Feldman from Stand By Me, but I could not be remembering correctly. I apologize to skull, and to garn, I give you my word I won't be a butt to other players.

[Skull132]

I'm not sure why you're on the attack with me, but I'm not trying to take the piss here. I have nothing to protect, defend not justify.

 

I will answer this one for the record. You and Ryfer are the first and only people to actually make a meme and a trolling attempt out of a picture posted by a community member out of good faith. While I understand that posting our likeness opens us up to said memes, with the internet being the internet and all, I truly do not think we have a place for people who cross that particular line here within our community. You also apparently had a fun time with Xander. All this makes you out to be an individual that I would rather this community have no dealings with, outside a very marginal entry in our database's ban table. I am certain you can understand the reasons behind such a belief. I am also a great disbeliever of, "It's been 4 years man, I've changed man!" Specially when concerning adults who are usually credited with being fully mentally able to review their decisions before carrying them out.

Regardless. That's basically all I have to say on the matter. I suppose you have ticked all of the basic niceties now, so perhaps we get to see whether or not you display the same broken thought process that landed you here in the beginning. Up to Garn to decide.

[Scheveningen]

The connection was that skull had spelt the word "felt" as "feld" I had said in my post that I was banned almost immediately after making and posting the picture, and had gone onto the server right after that. I didn't say that you had said my alt or my main account was banned, I just wanted it explained to avoid miscommunication, I also am not exaggerating your words, Delta earlier in the thread had said I was a pathological liar. I'm not sure why you're on the attack with me, but I'm not trying to take the piss here. I have nothing to protect, defend not justify. I've given the facts of the situation and reasoning behind what I had done.

Some friends and I were in the discord with matching themed pictures. I forget what we were doing, but skull explained to someone that we were "memes who feld neglected." I searched through the forums to find the picture I had seen of skull beforehand, and I had captioned a "do you feld it now Mr Krabs" over it. I was then banned after uploading it to the aurora discord, so I can't vouch for what happened there. I then got another friend in on the joke and got onto aurora with the word Feld in my name. I don't believe I had a link to the picture in my flavourtext, I thought I had just described Corey Feldman from Stand By Me, but I could not be remembering correctly. I apologize to skull, and to garn, I give you my word I won't be a butt to other players.

 

You were a pathological liar based on your previous reputation. Whether that's changed has yet to be seen but I needed to clarify that distinction first in having said it.

[nanotoxin]

If it's not too off topic, I would like to know what my previous reputation was. Maybe I could clear the air or put minds at ease.

[Garnascus]

If it's not too off topic, I would like to know what my previous reputation was. Maybe I could clear the air or put minds at ease.

 

I have seen enough. Lets just put it in the past and focus on the now. Your apology does look kinda textbook but im willing to give you a shot. Your appeal is accepted on the STRICT condition that being a but to our players or our staff will quickly land you back in permaban land.

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