MattAtlas

I'm going to limit what I say on the argument to one, maybe two posts because I think the discourse around Medical is so toxic and demotivating that it makes me want to revert brainmed and bring the server back to the stone age because of the sheer level of regret I have over contributing anything to this set of players. The level of shit I've gotten over a simple change (that I genuinely believe in, mind) is absolutely mindboggling and frankly unthinkable - if it were a contributor on my end I'm pretty sure they'd have quit the community already. But let's get on with it. This being used as an argument to keep sensors as they are is emblematic of the entire problem I have with medical as it is. It's a department where one mistake gets you crucified (before anyone says otherwise, this happened to me just a week ago and I had to delete a character over it, I adminhelped it and was told it was an IC issue - oh well!), where not having a window open on the right side of your monitor is seen as a bad thing because you need to be ready 24/7, where powergaming is the expectation rather than a rulebreak (how many people used the medkit exploit? that's right, most of them) and where toxicity is justified because otherwise the department would be nerfed. Oh, and it's also the only department where a nerf gets you accused of wanting to "humble" medical players or of "making spite PRs" or generally being clueless. Or, apparently as I'm seeing right now, the argument is so heated that it justifies calling one of my contributions "asinine and stupid". What people fundamentally miss is that you don't get out of this situation where not powergaming gets you abused by just ignoring it and keeping it as is. Sensors being nerfed is part of the work needed to do that. But other than that, I think they're unnecessarily limiting for antagonists and I've always held the idea that they run completely counter to the base of SS13, which is an action horror game - where's the horror part of it if you know where everyone is? Sure, everyone talks about "you need to be prepared" or "just make a radio jammer" but I'd like any of you to tell me out of the blue how to make one. That's pretty niche knowledge that 99% of the server simply doesn't have memorized. It feels like a gigantic noob trab - why should someone have to throw away their first round just to then know how to make something that counters sensors? I don't agree with that line of thought. Maybe other people do, but for a long time we've done nothing but ignore the problem of antags having zero space to operate in.

I asked for their reasoning and it's pretty objective - you just racked up too many notes in too short of a time, so it's not "just a mistake" that's keeping you banned. There's no real reason to think you'd improve only a month after. When we unban someone we generally want to be fairly certain that we don't have to permaban them again.

Try logging in now.

What exactly is being contested here? If the staff member in question feels like they're taking a risk unbanning you, then that's that. You aren't entitled to being unbanned only a month after a permanent ban: it's not supposed to be a light punishment.

I don't particularly know how I can believe that you posted a picture connected to a slur commonly used against Ukrainians without knowing what it meant. I can doubly not believe it when looking at your post history. You are also no stranger to using slurs in the relay: Or expressing fairly hostile sentiments to Ukrainians: In short, I don't believe you. Appeal denied.

Accepted.

Unbanned, sorry for the delay. Don't log in with that obscene ckey again though.

I'll handle this now. I think there are a few misconceptions in your post that come as a result of Aurora staff handling things differently from other servers (and maybe unintuitively). If we want something to be seen to the other person (generally if they logged out) we use warnings because they prevent you from joining unless acknowledged. It doesn't really necessarily mean that you'll get banned on the next go. Even if Read only noted you in this instance, if it happened again you'd still get a warning. Staff members generally respond to their own complaints as a form of courtesy. It doesn't mean that they're handling the complaint itself, just that they're trying to explain their viewpoint to you. I'm not sure why you'd call her insufferable when all she's done is just explain what she did. That said, I do think the warning's wording is maybe a bit too hostile, and I don't like part of her reply above. I'll be talking to Read about these two things, but the warning will stand. Locking in 24 hours.

Ban should be lifted, give it a go.

In your ban reason: Denied.

The old channel system isn't good. The channels fill up and we can't make any more apartments, plus it totally clogs the channel list. Would be an absolute pain in the ass to migrate everything back to channels too - there are people RPing in channels in the forums right now.

Unbanned.

Not happening.

I think the only thing I dislike is the name being a direct import from TG lore (Gorlex has been in game for ages, IIRC they were named on a few of the mechs way back). It should be unique to us.

Unbanned, although I also gave a heads up to bay admins that your account was hacked as you were in that server - you might have to ask them to unban you too. Remember to use the format next time.

I don't think you were griefing, but I can see how Rooster got that idea. Generally with new accounts we're pretty wary (there are more griefers than you might think!) and we are usually fairly heavy handed with permabans if we think they're here to mess around. Looking at the logs and the fact that you were putting effort into your xenobio work (doing cores, using bolts), it's clear to me that you're not a griefer. That said, you certainly didn't make it easy for yourself. AFKing in the middle of Xenobio without ahelping when there are that many slimes is kind of dangerous, especially if you're new! To any staff that don't play xenobio or know its mechanics, it would look really suspicious. There's some uncertainty here on what exactly happened to the pens - either they were broken by slimes or you opened them - which would have been cleared up easily if you just gave us a heads up. The ban will be lifted and replaced with a note detailing how you went AFK for a little too long. Next time, if you're AFK for long periods of time in a situation that's delicate or might look odd, remember to shoot us a quick ahelp.

I should specify that it is possible for slimes to break through under some circumstances - mobs can sometimes clip through windoors by moving diagonally, and I'm pretty sure that angry slimes can break windows. I'll be handling this, so give me like a day to check over everything.

Unbanned. Tell me if it sticks.

This PR isn't being merged due to people mostly not being a fan of it. but I'd like to precise that 'this isn't needed because the old system worked fine' is the only kind of feedback that I hate hearing. Things working fine doesn't mean someone can't try to improve upon them if they find them to be lackluster. Whether the improvement they try making actually makes the experience better is a different question, but nobody should be discouraged from trying to improve something that works as is.

I have nothing else to really add. I get what you are saying.

If it came off that way then I'm sorry because I was more trying to convey my surprise at these complaints being made publicly visible rather than confidential.

It doesn't matter - permanent bans are also handed out when the offense is heavy enough, and in this case it was. That's the same reason why I didn't reach out to you to contact you, to me this would've ended up as a permaban either way. More on this below. People not ahelping doesn't justify what you did. I don't agree. This is a difference in interpretation that the headmins will have to resolve. You have 31 notes and 9 warnings: you were in fact extremely lucky to not be banned yet, but that's just what established community member privilege does to someone. What this makes me wonder is how many warnings and notes you think you should have before being ejected from a community. And while we're at it, you do actually have a history of playing fast-and-loose with sexual themes - the complaint on you and Dekser by Goolies comes to mind, or when I warned you for making red light districts part of your vampire gimmick. This is a reach that I personally don't believe, summed with everything else that was said. This doesn't matter when I used it to establish a pattern of behaviour. The mere fact that it happened is what matters here. When you do something that ends up becoming public one way or the other, and then it ends up coming under staff review because one of the parties involved did something bad wherein your actions are relevant for the staff member's judgement, you can't expect it to stay private, or at the very least you should expect staff to mention it in the relevant complaint that might pop up. This is why the people involved should have made a confidential complaint (an option they didn't pick, for some reason). I didn't call into question your character's actions nor did I call you out in particular. I didn't say the age gap itself was a problem nor did I mention the cheating as the problem - if you read the ban reason none of these things were mentioned as problems, because if they were you would have received punishment too, and LordPwner would've been banned months ago. They were only mentioned to point out a pretty blatant lie in the original post. You'll also find that this is why I was reluctant to comment on this complaint at all, and I only did it when I was told that LordPwner would've liked to present a defense.

I don't think there's anything I need to add here.

Hi. In regards to what you said to Avery, I didn't get any time to "prepare" anything while this complaint was open because I fundamentally don't have anything to prepare - the ban stands on its own with just the screenshots I have provided, and I didn't think there was any need to even reply to you or ATG. I blocked you because it would have been pointless to get into a back-and-forth of "You did this" "no I didn't it's a misunderstanding" "Yes you did" at what was 4 AM at the time. A staff complaint is a lot more productive for both of us. Onto what you actually did - you try to tell me that you just "roleplay Marcus as someone who tries to find people and make friends", but this is either a warped perception of what you are actually doing, or you are lying to me. You yourself know that your character is a womanizer - - as this screenshot points out pretty blatantly. No character that isn't a womanizer makes this kind of joke, and the context here doesn't change the reading of "We could've talked for hours about all the beautiful women". That aside, the history of your character is blatantly known to almost everyone that knows your character. It's more than an open secret that your character tried cheating on their spouse (which I should add is ten years younger than Marcus and is also his subordinate!), not once but more than once. This defence of Marcus' behaviour doesn't hold up, and reads more like something you'd say to defend yourself while assuming that staff aren't familiar with your character. All of this gives a very different tinge to what you actually did in that apartment channel. Your defence is essentially trying to tell me that we took things the wrong way, or that there was "context" that would make them innocuous. Before I give you the logs, I would like to know from you personally exactly what kind of context would make a sentence such as "I'm going to put you in your place, girl" or giving someone who is telling you to "put them back to where [they] once were as a servant" the last name of your character's birthplace that they have a claim to, an innocuous sentence. There's a limit to how much we can believe that something is being misspelled or that there's a language barrier or that there was some sort of writing error - that limit was breached the moment this roleplay kept going on and on and on in public for everyone to see. Once is an incident, twice is unlucky, three times is intentional. You were banned for exactly what your ban reason says - what you did in that channel, summed with your character's overall behaviour.

These doors are temporary - there's a 3x1 door sprite, we just haven't implemented it in time for the deadline