BurgerBB

I didn't say you deserved it. I said that, from my point of view, what I did at the time given the current information, it made sense to stop you. So let me clarify what I meant. At the time of me saying it, I thought it was justified in me telling you in looc not to drag patients away while I'm treating them. I thought they were on the verge of death, and I thought you were killing them because of it. Given the information I have now, you did not deserve it because you were clearly not trying to kill them, as they were already dead.

Post examples so I can address them. So far no one has posted examples of any incidents where I'm too aggressive or over the top despite this being very important to this thread. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying that they're very important because there is a lot of context behind them. But I just want to bring up the fact that all of this is just coming in at once. If you have an issue with me, voice it when it happens or if you need to cool down or if you think I need to cool down, wait a day until it happens and drop me a PM. If you don't want to argue with me at all then I strongly suggest ahelping it because it can and will be dealt with. So far 2 people I can recall off the top of my head did this in the 2 years that I've been here. At this point I don't care if I fall into Shev's description of me trying to guilt trip people, but let's be reasonable. Waiting for the last straw in order to make a PERMANENT BAN request thread containing a psychoanalysis into I am as well as including such phrases as "Everyone knows this." when describing how awful I am is not only just fucking stupid but harmful. I want this to be addressed by admins because it seems like it's being overlooked about how reactive this thread is considering the following: I do not have a ban history on discord, or in game. I have, however, received 2 bans, one three day ban for being in a heated conversation with Kaed, and one week bad where me and Shev were banned for shitty behavior on the forums. I have 1 active warning on the forums, and it is because I joked about AMR users having a small penis. I have 6 warnings (1 is a glitch). 1 of them was for behavioral issues which was 7 months ago when I posted Menown's records in OOC and they had a breakdown because of it.

I don't see anything wrong with the statements. If someone has an issue with someone else's RP, then they should do something about it instead of talk behinds someone's back, start cliques, or other unproductive things. They should have a voice in the matter and there is nothing wrong with this. Make a thread about it. Tell them they didn't like the RP. Talk to them on discord. Tell them how you feel. Again, as I said, people have an issue with me because I complain a lot. That is what they say. That is the points they make. No one ever complains that I'm not nice, it's always "You complain too much." Occasionally I am rude, and when I am rude, I get warnings. I think I have 2 warnings for being rude over the 2 years that I've been here in game, none on discord, and I think 3 on the forums. That is quite minimal and I don't think it's deserving of "Remove Burger from the community." I thought you were dragging a critical condition player to the scanners first before treating them. I saw they had 120 oxyloss. They needed to be treated and at the time, medbay was incredibly bald. I told you nicely not to drag patients away while someone is treating them. You responded with sass that just wasn't "You're not the cmo." so I gave you a backhanded compliment. It was a bad move to say "I thought you were retarded." because of language, and I apologize for that. I, however, think I had every right to ask you to not drag away patients that are being treated given the context of the situation, which included: Medbay was struggling with new players at the time.. They were not properly in a body bag or on a stretcher. You weren't performing well as as a doctor earlier.

This is inaccurate. I was injecting the corpse with chemicals as I thought it was in critical condition, as no one else was doing anything. You were actively dragging them away from me. I told you in looc that you shouldn't do such a thing because I thought you were a new medical player. I found out that they were dead, despite not being on a body bag or anything, and you gave me sass, so I said jokingly "Sorry, I thought you were retarded, nevermind." It implies you weren't retarded and that I was in fact the idiot.

I think a better idea is that cargo has the option to charge different department accounts without needing the credentials for it.

I give reasons why I think people didn't do a very good job as antag and explain to them what they could've done better. A lot of people tend to ignore the latter part or the latter part is usually just so small because there are only so many times I can say "Please don't chairrp with command/security." I don't see another feasible way I could do this without being dishonest.

For the sake of making the punishment speedy and accurate, let me explain my intentions about why I complain. It's not because I hate you. It's not because I am angry with you. It's because I want you to actively improve. Emotions are very difficult to tell on the internet. A lot of people tend to mistake blunt honesty with being an insulting prick which is why in a lot of cases you see me say "I"m not salty, I'm not angry with you" or some variation. I don't know who the antag is at the time when the shuttle departs and the round is over so there is 0 influence over who says what. The only tool you have at your disposal is context and considering the context, I don't think it would be fair to say that I'm doing it to piss you off. I think this ban request is a prime example of what happens when you're not honest with someone and you wait until the very last straw to complain about someone. This ban request spawned because me and Shev were both in an argument, and I disagreed with him in what the problem was. He then listed a whole bunch of issues with me that happened before the argument that were never brought up, such as me twisting facts in a complaint. This isn't very healthy to either of us. People have also tried to behave like I do to "show me" what it's like to be complained about all the time. I believe someone in OOC did this once when I was antag but it never works because this is exactly how I want to be treated. If I fuck up as antag, I want you to tell me that I fucked up and why so I can improve upon it. Even as non-antag, I want you to tell me if I fucked up at a certain job or if I did something you didn't like in looc so It won't happen again. I think some people would say that they did this before, and that I reacted negatively to it. They would be half-true because of the context surrounding it. I can't tell you how many times where someone bring up a mistake I did as antag like a month ago and constantly milks it for whatever reason. Never in my 2 years of being here have I ever complained about a gimmick 2 days after it for the follow reasons: I have actual diagnosed memory issues from Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease. I am near incapable of remembering small, unimportant things 2-3 days after it occurs. I have more important things to try and remember/worry about. I say what I need to say and no longer say it again. There is also the issue of what people are complaining about and how often in the context. If you're a person that I know is hostile, has ironically used personal insults, has obviously have not-good intentions, then I would probably ignore you. For example, if you bring up something that occured a week ago in a heated debate, I'm going to think that you only brought it up because you're heated and won't take you as seriously. I think over the past 3 months only one person has ever said anything useful that I remember, and that was telling me that he's too scared to interact with me in fear that I might criticize them in looc. I took a note to improve my language over looc in order to appear less hostile and negative.

I disputed the neglect of duty charge heavily because I was doing quite a bit of work beforehand as a roboticist. As I said in the ahelp, I sent the equivalent of 5 sheets of metal to security and told them that this was 75% of a Durand. Neglect of duty charges involving access revocation should be for the examples outlined above with the phoron fires and such. My actions did not hurt anyone nor did it hurt productivity as I was actually doing my job as a roboticist. Also this was not a security issue. The Research Director specifically demanded these charges, on top of this, also demanded slander.

First reason, Alb told me to report all improper staff behavior to the forums. Second reason, whatever Alb was doing wasn't really working. I think this transcends beyond a simple PM on discord. As for your second question, For the instances where they were reported, they were all put in Jackboot's complaint. The instances where they weren't, I thought someone else would message about it.

I notice a lot of responses in this thread aren't really providing any evidence to support their claims nor how they were involved. Two of the posts in this have been "I've seen burger do this." and then use that as an excuse to give their 10 cents. Give me a situation and I will tell you why I behaved that way.

Right. Let's start with the threads. First instance I made a bunch of gygax's I admitted it was a mistake to do it. People have stated to "Make your own RP." and contribute to the round. I attempted this. Failed. Admitted that I will not do this again. Second one was what I did but worse considering the circumstances surrounding it (Getting kicked out of robotics, giving the gygax significantly better equipment.) and the fact that the gygax was made before I knew it was rev. As soon as I saw the announcement, I immediately fell into depression because I had a half made gygax here that I was seriously considering throwing in disposals. I cryo'd after I was arrested, part of the reason for that was so the gygax could never be finished. I think I did the right thing but that didn't matter because the Research Director made the situation worse. Third one was me look at all the situations involving this instance and concluding that "It is actually broken how easy a gygax can be made." and made an appropriate suggestion thread. I've done with with every single new job I've played. Everyone knows this. I'm pretty sure it was a meme at one point; someone even said "Oh burger is playing a new job, expect PRs about it." I don't think you understand how I make feedback threads. I thought everyone was aware of this meme. I play a job for a week. I determine all the flaws of the job. I make PRs or suggestion threads that remove those flaws. If I was as malicious as you're claiming I am, I would've done the following: First instance I would've forced myself into a rev or loyalist recruiting situation, breaking character, just so I can have the chance to use a gygax against loyalists or revs. I did not do this. Second instance I would've broken back into robotics after a rev in security broke me out and recruited me (one of them said they'll try to get me out, I believe it was Armory's character.) I did not do this. Third instance I would've been complacent with how easy it is to make a mech and not reported the problem in the first place. To get an idea of how I play, speak to the officer who arrested me during that second rev round. I believe I mentioned this over looc. I stole their baton, but I then threw it at them. I could've harmbatoned them into pain crit, but I didn't. I care more about roleplay than winning. Everyone should be an arbiter of RP. It would increase RP standards if people did what they would do unto others and admit their mistakes if they didn't. Me making a mech in the player complaint was a bad move and I admit this. A lot of people metagame the shit out of rounds, usually for the worst, but when I did it, and admitted to doing it like an adult, I attempted to make the round more interesting for the crew and for myself. This severely backfired, as mentioned above. I do not see how this should be a crime. People have an issue with me because I complain a lot. It doesn't matter the language I use. It doesn't matter if I sugar coat it. If this was true, people would be complaining about how rude or mean I am to people instead of how often I complain. In most cases, I do not use harsh language; in most cases it's just "The antags weren't very good. I honestly wish people would stop chairrping with command." and that anger some people. And when I mean some people, I mean SOME people. Only 4-5 people are offended at what I say. If the issue was greater than what people are claiming, then the whole server of 60 people would be on my ass. I specifically recall where I said a merc round wasn't very good and there were 6 antags. The people who got upset at my remarks were none of the people receiving the criticism, but a bystander who had nothing to do with the antags. Also, you should pay attention to what other people say in OOC about antags too. People say way fucking worse things than what I say to the point where I'm even like "Wew that's rude dude." Unfortunately, people tend to focus on the instances where I start with that, it gets heated, and I start to use harsh language after I use harsh language. I don't get surprised when people use harsh language, I get surprised when I'm said literally nothing in OOC and people start throwing insults at me in OOC as a preemptive measure or some bullshit. And lets cut the bullshit, I don't regularly share a condescending opinion. This was a meme started by a disgruntled regular who is no longer with us. For example, I went on hiatus for like a week, came back played a few rounds, after the 4th I pointed out that all the ninja did was chair RP and I was accused by the regular folk who tend to shit on me that all I do is complaint and that I'm a whiny little bitch. My failure is how often I complained in the past and there is nothing I can do to fix this except for just keeping my opinions to myself. It doesn't matter which tone I use, it doesn't matter if I complain at most once a month, I have fucked up hard enough to develop a reputation where I am a constant complainer and that's my failure. Whether or not that's worth of getting permanently removed from the community is up to debate. The answer to that is no, by the way. People have done way worse and are still here. The people who usually complain about my conduct have done way worse.

Sure. This would be good on top of another suggestion, like giving robotics access by default to disable mechs. This would be good alongside the EMP option. You can either EMP the mech, destroying it basically, or just eject the user.

I forgot about the parapen. Maybe I should revive my rework suggestion.

Everyone talks about how antags can "just" counter mechs. I've received several complaints on several rounds about how the creation, or the hint of a creation, of a combat mech, regardless of its contents scares antags. Like if you were an antag, you would be scared shitless of having to face a mech regardless of your status. It would make the ion rifle or emp a high priority and may waste precious time and resources that may ruin your gimmick. Cult, ninja, wizard, and possibly autotraitor and merc are the only gamemodes where you can REASONABLY counter mechs as they have access to EMPs and ions, and even then, they can be a pretty large burden. Rev can and will get shut down by a mech. Raider can and will get shut down by a mech. AI and their borgs can get shut down by a mech. Ling and Vamp can get shut down by a mech, but this is rare since they're both stealth gamemodes. Imagine the encounters you had with security as an antag. Now imagine those encounters with security having a Durrand equiped with a heavy ion rifle, gatling laser, repair droid, and energy relay.

I will promise myself that I will not post in here often because I do not think it would be health to me nor a productive conversation. I've read through some of this and it's quite difficult to rationally address this as it makes a lot of bold claims without proof, and sometimes sprinkling on "Everyone knows this." which quite frankly hurts. This is false. I believe that my attitude issues with others started around when the organ damage PR was released. I believe that this was more than a year after I started playing so it wasn't the cause of this. I believe that several members of the community, including staff, voiced their appreciation in how my behavior improved when I became staff. I would like those people to come forward if that is the case. When I point out issues regarding how people conduct themselves over feedback or how they make their decisions, my goal is to get them to change their behavior and possibly let them know that this might be an issue. I do not intend to damage their reputation because I do not care about that. I think you are being very dishonest when you're claiming that I am as manipulative as you think I am. The number one reason why I get hostile with someone is because I've had the displeasure of arguing with them before, unproductively. I think it's entirely reasonable to just say "No, go bother someone else. I don't care what you have to say." to someone who has a history of insulting, randomly provoking, or just generally being a dick to a specific person. I don't employ guilt-trip tactics and I hate whenever anyone says this about anyone. Just because someone brings what someone feels about something doesn't mean they have the intent to rack up guilt. Also, I do not care for anyone's sympathy. I don't give a shit if anyone hates me; I only give a shit when it becomes an issue, such as them constantly voicing it in the inappropriate context or when it influences actions that should not be influenced by hate. Claiming that people are aware of this make-belief pattern is not only malicious but just a fucking awful thing to say. Like I genuinely wanted to write up a paragraph on how just fucking awful it is to say about anyone. It's part of the reason why I'm honest and don't fuck around when it comes to issues; it just becomes bottled up to the point where people talk shit behind your back or make a ban request thread like this. If I was the man you claimed to be, I wouldn't be around. I would've been permanently forum banned by now if I didn't argue rationally. Forum standards are super fucking strict so that should speak volumes about how wrong you are about this. Look into the latest suggest threads I created and tell me where I've gotten out of line with arguing irrationally. If I had an issue with how Alb, or others, conducted themselves during that conversation I would've made a staff or player complaint. I did not because I found very little issue with the things they said. Lord Fowl was the one who was being unproductive, so I chose to make a staff complaint about him. I do not deny that I wasn't negative. I believe I have told Lord Fowl to shut the fuck up and told him he wasn't unfunny. I am not free of sin, but compared to the sin of him, that is nothing. Which facts I twisted? Please post them in the thread there so you can correct the record in the case I was wrong. Okay. If an admin gives a ruling that you do not agree with, you're supposed to make a staff complaint. That is what they are for. That is what alb has recommend. This is what alb has constantly suggested. Whether or not my complaints are valid are up to the people looking at them.

This sounds excellent.

You don't have to make them ludicrously difficult. Just because I'm suggesting nerfs of indeterminate magnitudes doesn't mean that I will opt for the worst option.

BYOND Key: BurgerBBStaff BYOND Key: Lord Fowl Alb told everyone to drop a heated conversation, which involved Lord Fowl. https://i.imgur.com/RKJAsgc.png 2 minutes later Lord Fowl attempts to continue the heated conversation. https://i.imgur.com/PyjOaTB.png You have a staff member who constantly makes fun of people who make staff complaints against them. You have a staff member who, while there during an active staff complaint, constantly makes references to that active staff complaint. You have a staff member who belittles and insults current and previous staff members. You have them spewing insults like "autistic, retarded, ect" when the person next to them is being hanged and quartered for not being allowed to use those words. When confronted about it, they say it's just humor. This. Is. Not. Normal. This should not be normal behavior.

BYOND Key: BurgerBBStaff BYOND Key: EvandorfGame ID: bZt-dzi8Reason for complaint: (State your reason for your complaint) Was roboticist. Was working on a Gygax to give to security maybe near the round end if the round called for it. Announcement came on saying our pay was cut by 25%. Okay. I asked the research director (EL1) for 2 sheets of diamond for a gygax. They didn't care and didn't communicate with me at all about that material request. I printed out a ripley torso and arm, attached it, and gave it to security. Said that this was 75% of a Durand because I didn't want to waste metal over a meme. The total cost of it was like 4 sheets of metal. Research Director immediately demanded that I was arrested and my access revoked. I argued it was a load of shit. Didn't care. Charged with MAXIMUM SENTENCE for neglect of duty and my access revoked, all for sending a Ripley to security. This was 15 minutes and access revocation. Maximum sentences are usually reserved for the examples provided in the neglect of duty charge, such as releasing phoron. The Gygax was then outfitted with military tech: A laser CANON (Read: CANON), a HEAVY ION RIFLE (read: HEAVY ION RIFLE), a repair droid, and a energy relay. This is absolutely non-standard. Absolutely nothing of substance happened and did not justify the creation of a Gygax with these armaments. In most cases it is equipped with a laser carbine, a taser carbine, a repair droid, and an energy relay. The Gygax was used semi-frequently throughout the round as a deterrence whenever anything happened. Thankfully the loyalist head of security was not keen on using it 24/7 in the hallways. EL1 wasn't a loyalist by the way. I ahelped it and Evandorf deemed it valid. I do not think it was valid. I went on discord to talk about it and the dude that was the research director FUCKING ADMITTED that it was dumb to build a gygax but released it anyways to security loaded with more than what was needed.

I've been playing robotics for the past week or so, and I can tell you right now that it's... honestly broken in most gamemodes. Of course I'm referring to combat mechs and the equipment you can give them. Machine guns that cost only 5 steel sheets. Laser rifles that cost 5 steel sheets. Gygax's that only cost a stack of sheets and some diamonds. I think that in a given round where research is maxed and mining is going ham, you should most be able to make 1 durand and 2 gygax's if you're really trying. 2 roboticists with a lot of materials can make like 10 durands if they wanted to. I've been told countless times that my mech making abilities have ruined rounds. So here are my suggestions to improve it. You can pick one. You can pick all. You can pick some. These are just ideas I had that would remove the problems of robotics. All combat mechs should have higher combat levels so you'd have to max research in order to get them. All combat mechs should have resource costs other than steel. All combat mechs should have some sort of firing-pin like device that you need to order from cargo or get from the warden in order to use. All exosuit weapons such as machine guns and whatnot should have a higher cost other than 5 sheets of steel. Honestly I don't see the difference between what happened with science when they could print lawmakers and other shit freely. It's the same thing, but possibly worse.

A better idea is to make cameras significantly weaker (one hit kill, no rng shit), and for them not to trigger a camera alarm when destroyed.

Either the AI needs to be whitelist or AI need to be held to higher standards than normal. If an AI shuts down a round by bolting down the revs in a room, that's just them doing their job. If an AI shocks the door of a merc and fries both their arms and puts them into paincrit, therefore putting them out of the round, that's just the AI doing their job. If the AI locks the cultists on the sublevel that's just them doing their job. AIs can get away with shutting down a round and it can be dismissed by saying "It's just them doing their job." I mean eventually if antags get smart enough, they're going to break into engineering and chemistry every round to steal tools and thermite to counter AIs.

I would agree with you except other people commented on the round and have commented on the round. Other people have said worse things about the round. Other people have resulted to actual insults and ad hominem about the round. I said the antags were garbage and I gave valid reasons. They attempted to blame the fault of the round on me for making a Durand with 4 passenger compartments. This is what started the entire argument. Also I don't do that every round. People think I do it every round because someone started a stupid fucking meme about it. It's the same reason why earlier today Kaedwulf said that I want everything removed recently when the reality is that I only made 2 threads this month. People like to make up the frequency of when shit happens so when it occurs, they can clutch their pearls and have an excuse to dismiss everything I say. Also I think you're being malicious right now. You missed a very key quote that you cropped out to make it look like that I started the conversation. But I think we're going off topic. Lets say for the sake of argument that I started it. How was what you said and done in any way shape or forum acceptable?

Right. Another issue. I pinged Garnacus on discord. I asked him not to do highlander because it was a 40/30 vote, yes no. He told me to shut the fuck up. Yeah sure whatever, I'll move on with my life. The someone on discord was being an ass and accusing me of being a salty metagamer for making a Durand with four passenger seats and naming it "Black Taxi". I talked to alb over discord because they were being incredibly rude. Albert said they'll watch the conversation. Garnacus then entered the conversation and proceeded to shitpost, not making it any better. https://imgur.com/a/cA8zXsC I don't see how this is contributing productively.

I never said this. Please reread it. " I mean, this behavior gets reported but in a majority of cases this occurs" which means "Yeah the behavior is reported but a lot of people still do it anyways."