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A response like this is precisely the reason why I made a thread about it in general. These exists some members of the community where they think any IC interaction at all should be kept IC no matter what. They think that minor issues such as these, regardless of the frequency, means literally nothing and has no indication of a higher problem and just must be an issue of the person reporting it or that they didn't report enough. Well, it isn't, considering that situations have been reported, hasn't been deemed an issue, complaints were made towards people who didn't see it an issue, a Head Admin ruling that it is indeed an issue, but regardless of all that there are people who still don't think it's an issue. There also exists posts like yours that instead of really addressing any of the points in the thread, they decide to declare their indifference and personally attack the person my own perspective by mentioning incredibly awful claims and comments about the personal nature of the person which has no use for this here as it contains nothing of value. Degeneracy and hostility thrive in indifferent communities. It's the reason why you're allowed to make a post to bring up some pretty shitty accusations about me and why I made the thread. I made the thread not to start shit, but to spread awareness about the issue and hopefully get some input from other users about the issue to see if they've experienced or witnessed similar issues. If I wanted to stir shit, I would've made a multi-user player complaint of every user who has said something really fucking weird and made a statement about it, but I didn't because that's petty as shit and asking for administrative action is not the goal here. The goal here is to get people to understand that there is a player behind every screen. While you can constantly proclaim that your creepy flirtation is entirely ICly, it affects the OOC enjoyment of the person involved, usually for the worse. While the expectations of the server are set in the rules that involve killing and being forced out of the round because of antagonism, there are no expectations set for creepy flirtatious comments. A general advisory, that was perfectly worded (thank you @geeves), is exactly what was needed. Because of this, now administrators and moderators can now better handle any future situations that come up. Postscript: Complaints are shitflinging fests because it is inherintly about always being on the defense and always being on the offensive. There exists two complaints that I have ever seen on here where the defendant actually admitted wrongdoing right off the bat, one was a decision made by Paradox, and one was about me. In complaints, only select people can bring in their input and almost always in the plaintiff's control. If I made a complaint about someone's conduct regarding the comments, no one else except for them and the person dealing with the complaint can weigh in on the accusations which is honestly quite unfair when discussing a server wide issue. A general thread was the best option here because anyone can comment about it and no specific person has to defend themselves here. This is literally a thread about discussing something, rather than attacking or defending someone.

Good idea, but it would be a little difficult to code since you'd have to go through all the machineries in code and add special checks and conditions for them.

It's exactly this. If moving it to unban requests is too confusing, then maybe make a new section.

I probably should just speak for myself here, but I don't like the fact that in order to appeal a decision that isn't a direct ban, I have to make a staff complaint. This is probably snowflakey as shit, but I think that the word "complaint" it way too strong for the message I'm getting across, and I'm not actually complaining about the staff's conduct, just trying to appeal the decision. I think that it also creates unnecessary drama and unwanted tensions as well as a side effect. But yeah to me it doesn't make sense that appealing decisions by staff is put into the same subform as complaining about poor staff behavior.

Like just to be clear, I am no way saying that I was justified in calling someone a cunt or saying that their actions are retarded. It was out of anger, and it has not happened again since then. I touched on this in that thread and I don't really feel like repeating this here. What I'm seeing here is that most of what people are complaining about is situations that have already been touched on and resolved. The rest of what is posted is about the fact that I make a lot of complaints and appeals over what people think is trivial, and that's an issue because it wastes administration time. While I am not saying "these situations are resolved, let's move on", I am saying that I don't think it's very fair to request a ban over situations that have been marked as resolved and I absolutely don't think it's fair to ding someone over the quantity of complaints and appeals they make. I avoid complaints like the plague when it's necessary. I legitimately go out of my way to avoid ahelping unless it is absolutely needed. I avoid staff at all costs considering I have been made fun of my complaining and the length of my staff complaints by players, admins, and hosts. Yet, staff ask me to make a complaint due to legitimate reasons. Sometimes they can't handle the situation on the spot because it needs to be looked into. Sometimes there aren't any staff online that can handle the situation. Sometimes the issue is against another member of staff and they can't handle it in an ahelp because it also needs to be investigated and it would also create a conflict of interest. I use player complaints and staff complaints not to ask for bans but rather than to deal with things I could not ahelp at the time (see reasons above) or ongoing issues with users. I don't know if anyone else does this, but not every punishment has to result in a ban, a warning, or a note, and you can sometimes see me in those threads going "I am not asking for a ban." to make my intent very clear. I actually gathered some statistics. I looked in the first page of the archive section of all 3 complaint boards (Player Complaints, Ban Requests, Staff Complaints) and ArmoryBlaine has the same amount of archived complaints as me. The only time that I ever exceed another user in complaints is staff complaints, with 4 of mine while ArmoryBlaine has 3. In every other section, someone has more complaints than me. Most of my staff complaints have more to do with appeals of warnings and notes than actual bad behavior done by staff, because that is the process.

Why are you putting words in my mouth.

You're referring to a situation where you openly harassed and shittalked me for several days, and I was telling you to knock it off each time with a stronger and harsher tone. You made a staff complaint about it because the moderator in question didn't see a reason to punish either of us. The complaint was marked as resolved with punishment given to you for attempting to provoke me and punishment towards me for taking the bait, being aggressive, and not informing an admin sooner. I wasn't given an outright ban because the handling admins understood perfectly well that it was done to provoke me and that I never actually called you a "retarded cunt." I recall that after that occurrence you still continued to try and provoke me, including saying shit like "Since Burger is banned, deadchat is all he has to complain." and "That's just burger, he complains a lot." I have not engaged with you when you say that sort of stuff because I respect the administrators. You don't talk to me about "my behavior". You shittalk me and I choose not to engage with you.

The thing that I want to get across here to you, the people reading this thread, and to the people handling it is that since I've gotten back from my 6 month ban, people have undergone a significant effort to get me re-removed from the server. New shit has been made up. Lies have been spread. Screencaps of out of context quotes have been shared and posted. Mountains have been made out of molehills. People still bring up things that have happened 2 year ago that were already dealt with by administrators and that I have apologized or shown improvement about. This isn't me excusing my poor behavior. I can go over the line, and when I do, I am always apologize an express my sympathy even if they spit in my face. I do not do this because I do not want to suffer the consequences, I do this because that is how I expect others to act towards me as well. I expect people to call me out when I behave wrongly. I expect people to call me out when I do something bad. I expect people to actually point out and provide criticism on the actions that I have done. But this thread as made me deeply concerned about the motives and honestly state of how we solve problems here. I am deeply concerned about people posting in here because of rumors shared. I am deeply concerned that there are people who shit on me because I write paragraphs. I am deeply concerned that I never get player complaints, but only ban requests. I am deeply concerned that no one has commented on my character feedback posts about the characters I play. I am deeply concerned that the only time I ever hear about these issues is during threads like these. I am deeply concerned that not once anyone has messaged me on discord about issues they have with me. I am deeply concerned about how most of the "evidence" about my poor conduct is the fact that I have been listening to staff and making staff/player complaints. I am deeply concerned about the unfortunate reason that this thread exists.

I need to know if this is instances that you saw or that instances that other people talked about.

I really don't know what to say here because I'm starting to get confused here. Let me just repeat everything to avoid confusion because I think we're not going anywhere with this. I don't know who your character is. I don't know who you play. I don't know the username "BoxWulf" from anywhere and I don't think I've seen you in OOC. I don't know anything about you, but that shouldn't stop me from ahelping someone or making a complaint. I've ahelped people before for doing what I know to be beginner's mistakes because there is an off chance that they might be griefing. I've done this for 3 years and as far as I know, admins don't mind if I do this because they rather have a false positive than a negative that isn't reported. Yeah, I feel like an asshole when doing it. I'm sure admins have made a note of me saying "Yeah I don't mean to be an asshole." or "I don't know if this is an issue." as a bad habbit because I always like to let admins know that I am unsure of something and would like their input. I feel like an asshole reporting you but in the context of a complaint, I think it was the right thing to do. It's rude. But it's true. I don't care enough about you to hate you. I don't hate you. I don't think you're a bad person. I just see you as another player on the server and that's it. If I had an lasting OOC issue with you, I would voice it. And honestly given your claims here, I am starting to have an issue with you. I never lied in the player complaint. I do recall that you made some remarks alongside the other unathi that I found as offensive. That is what I remember so that it what I put in the complaint.

Ah, yes I remember. Yes, my issue with their play was that they were refusing to interact with security and that as ninjas, they were grouping up frequently together to interacting with one or two people. While I did praise them for interacting with people other than security, but the issue is that they were intentionally avoiding security for the round despite security behaving reasonably. As AI, I would wait 5 minutes after spotting the antagonist, then report their location to security. I was intentionally giving the antagonists breathing room as AI because I didn't want to ruin their gimmick, but every time security would show up, they would almost always instantly flee and I could tell via comms and my previous experiences as security, that they were getting exceptionally irritated. I thought unfair to security, so I voiced these concerns the best I could to them but they didn't want to have it. I did not know who played the ninja at the time, but If I knew it was Freshrefreshments, I wouldn't have said anything because I know they don't like my unsolicited criticism. I don't recall insulting Freshrefreshments. They were annoyed by my criticisms, even though by most people's standards it was constructive. I recall them constantly mocking me and throwing personal attacks my way, and an admin who was involved said that me giving criticism wasn't against the rules and it wasn't really against the the rules for freshrefreshments to behave that way. Since then I have not voiced any concerns in OOC and just decided to fill OOC with stupid shitposts like "how was my ninja" every time it was extended (not because ninja is boring or that it's a shot at ninja players, it's just that I was a really good ninja because stealth and all) or recently, "How was our merc gimmick where we pretended to be crew" as a reference to me discovering a few days ago that mercs can buy a fake arrivals computer announcement where they can join as crew with a record and a manifest.

Most of this post is based on hearsay then. Which incidents have you witnessed me giving someone a hard time? Have I ever personally given you a hard time for being new? Have you seen this behavior?

Right. It's incredibly hard to defend myself without examples given. The closest thing to complaining that I remember was me complaining about a ninja suicide implant explosion and making it absolutely fucking clear that I had no issue with security or the ninja that round, just the feature. Even if I did, and I'm pretty sure I didn't, complaining about the round at the end isn't an issue. Garnacus said this last time people kept bringing it up. And if I did complain about the round in a way that violated the rules, and I didn't, I would be bwoinked. People would ahelp it. And I find it absolutely fucking ridiculous that people keep bringing up the masturbation comments without any context whatsoever so I honestly think that it's a stupid gotcha at this point. Here is what happened. Someone told me to go masturbate in OOC in order to calm down. As a joke, I told them that I already did. People ahelped me saying that I did and completely ignored the comment of the person who told me to rub one out. @Cnaym bwoinked and noted me over it, telling me not to say things like that. Given that I have 0 history of being weird, I believe they did not think that it was worth a ban. OOC talks about dog dick, eating ass, yiffing, musk, thicc lizard waifus, on a daily basis. Staff sometimes participates in it and no one complains because everyone knows they're joking. While the comment is bad, and I apologized for it at the time, and after the fact, I honestly think that the concern over it isn't in earnest.

Right. I have apologized countless times for coming off of abrasive for you. I cannot know if you're upset if you do not tell me that you're upset, but even when I take a stab in the dark, I have told you countless times what my opinion of you is and yet you seem to ignore it. You seem to think that the IR is OOC. It isn't. It's IC. Bar Shaleez submitted the IR against your character, not me. Please understand this because OOC in IC is against the rules. I'm going to be a dick here because I need you to understand this. I don't hate you. I don't know who you are. You were never in my mind as someone who I hate. I literally forgot you existed. I can't even remember your character's name even if my life depended on it. If you literally played engineering, I wouldn't recognize you. The only Unathi's name I know that currently plays has the name Issana. That is because I played with them a long time ago as another character and they were one of my only Unathi friends at the time.

I want you to please understand the following: Understand that I did not know you were new or were learning a new job. You had a unathi whitelist and I assumed that since you were an atmos tech, and not an engineering apprentice, you had prior engineering experience and understood the lethality of electrical shocks. Understand that you were acting extremely superior to me while in game and belittling my character. Understand that considerable time and effort was expended trying to rescue you that didn't need to be spent. Understand that I was not ordering the admins to ban you. The most they could really give you here is a note if you don't have any prior offensives. Given all this, I do not think it is reasonable to hold this large of a grudge to the point where you are uncomfortable playing engineering and that you want me gone from the server. And no, I didn't want OOC punishment for you being new to a job.

I think it would be nice if the "Join Game!" menu included the following game information: - Alert Level (Can only be determined if you're in the lobby and it is changed then) - Voted Round Type (Secret will display secret, voted extended with display extended, voted traitor will display extended... etc) - Custom Event information (If any). While it is possible to some access this information using verbs or whatnot, I think it would be better if it was displayed. on the menu so players don't have to check every time. Most servers already do this, even MRP ones that heavily care about metagaming issues.

This is the lore I have for my other server and I suggest that you guys implement it too as it fits with how bluespace works in code. Bluespace is an alternative dimension as endless as the universe. For every atom in the universe, there is room to fit it inside the bluespace dimension. In order to access bluespace, you must have a bluespace crystal and send a very precise electrical charge to retrieve a coordinate inside the bluespace world, with the amplitude being the y coordinate and the wavelength being the x coordinate . From there, you can dose the crystal in radiation to open a bluespace pocket to open a portal relative to the strength of the radiation. You can also do this inside the bluespace dimension to go back to the real world. Bluespace bags are a portal that is constantly open. A box that expands is placed inside the bluespace dimension and stretched out to fit the portal's radius. It effectively acts as a near bottomless bag that allows you to fit all sorts of things inside it. Bluespace beakers do the same thing. Bluespace travel is done by sending an electrical charge to open the portal, forcing the object inside the portal, and then opening another portal inside the bluespace dimension to access the real world again. Unfortunately this process slows down based on the size of the object, which is the reason why people can teleport instantly while shuttles take 2 minutes to travel a few lightyears. As for why the galaxy or in fact universe can't be explored with bluespace, the destination needs to be safe, or else you'll get telescience mishaps and create large explosions when a large object teleports inside another large object.

I kind of want to know why you think this is amazing. Not trying to call you out or anything, but there is a reason why this thread got 4 pages.

Unwanted sexual tension is part of sexual harassment. Sexual tension includes heavy use of double entendres, which can constitute as sexual harassment. For example, there is currently another engineer who calls me mistress occasionally but says that it's because of a reference to another incident. I personally don't have a problem with it because they're not creepy with it, but that is an example of sexual tension that would be fine in accordance with the rules. There was also another Tajara who behaved in a similar way, but was talked to by staff because it was getting overboard. Full disclosure, I didn't report them, someone else did or the admins caught them or something. Also I'd appreciate that you'd treat me with a little more respect. Please don't tell me to stop posting.

I have explained to you several times that I did not want OOC punishment for being new to a job. I don't know how to make this any more clear. My issue with your complaint is that you engaged and wasted the time of your fellow players by not being communicative at all. It's all in the thread and I strongly suggest that you please listen to the words that I'm saying here. I told you then, and I'm telling you now, that the reason why I mentioned you in the complaint is because you weren't being communicative at all and did some pretty questionable things that seems very unrealistic for someone to do.

My reply for this post got deleted when checking a reply to this thread, so I apologize if this is brief. The post in the xenobiology thread was an explanation that I regret posting because it applied a sweeping statement to all science mains and rather not a few science mains. What I should've said is that science PRs are very high risk, but low reward, considering that the code itself is quite ancient and some of the users there aren't very keen on changing science because of a handful of users that have elitism with research points. At the time when I was developer, the science discord (?) was very toxic towards changes, but it seems that the views have died down upon further investigation with the departure of some very toxic science main players that I and some other ex-devs and ex-contributors had the displeasure of dealing with whenever we wanted to improve science. But yes, it's a very harsh truth that science additions are very high risk and very low reward. I regret explaining that in a very poor way and you're right to call it out. As for my choice of words, most of them are bad habbit or my attempt to lighten the situation. "Unironically, Like" fit into bad habit, while all of them are meant to lighten the seriousness of what I'm saying. For example, I used "Absolute State" in my post describing how a 40 year old wanted to erp an unwilling me, a 23 year old, on the Aurorstation server because of shitty unathi values. As for the toxicity witchhunt, I grew up in a community that had witchhunts on a monthly basis. While I wasn't the target of witchhunts, others were and that made me uneasy because whenever a mob tramples something, the facts don't matter anymore and people start to go at eachother's throats. It's literally mob mentality. While removing toxicity from the server is generally a good goal, intentionally trying to seek out toxic individuals and finding reasons for them to get banned, especially as a group, usually ends very poorly for the community and usually ends in excessive shitflinging or false bans. I honestly think that this thread is one of them considering that the entire OP of this thread is filled with some pretty abhorrent reasons to eject someone from the community ,as well as some posts that either provide claims without proof, or somehow turning me having a concern about there being toxicity witch hunts means that I must be a toxic person.

Show proof of all your claims, please. I know that I haven't been complaining about gimmicks in 2020 because I literally set that as a New Years Resolution and instead opted to play on other servers including Fulpstation and Paradise Station.

If we're talking about faith, I don't think this thread was made with it. I have said this before. Nearly all the complaints I have made were suggested by staff. I'm pretty sure @sonicgotnuked, who handled the MALF incident, can attest to me acting out a little when they suggested that I make a player complaint. Because do you want to know something? I fucking despise making complaints. I fucking do. I fucking hate posting on the forums but it the amount of hatred I have for making a complaint outweighs the amount of hatred I would have for players and staff constantly saying "Well, why didn't you make a complaint?" whenever I bring up serious issues that have happened. Skull has also told me to make complaints before but I never actually did it. Alb has also told me to make complaints before but I never actually did it. Garn has also told me to make complaints that I never made. I remember this very topic being brought up before about how I'm a terrible person for making complaints, but I am literally told to make these complaints but most of the time I don't listen and just move on. Like honestly your assumption just makes me want to fucking die. Like fuck sakes I'm actually royally pissed off right now because not only is this a shitty thing to say, it's a full on assumption, and honestly I think this entire ban request is made to get me riled up like last time because none of this is what a human being should say to another human being. It's bad for me to assume too, but you need to read what you wrote here because this isn't good. I recognize that I can be blunt, courase, and extremely opinionated. I recognize that my attitude can be a problem, but I don't think it applies for 75% of what has been said in this thread, which I'll get to eventually.

Hello. There is a lot to unpack here. There was no slandering taking place with Jackboot. I have never mentioned jackboot in any of the OPs and only brought them up when they brought themselves up. When they brought themselves up, they started posting private logs that were blatantly out of context and slandering a conversation so I decided to post logs from the same chat that way. I genuinely think that he is playing a game here because countless times I have clarified that anything "creepy" was referring to what his character was doing and not what Jackboot was doing. Please actually look at this situation before making judgement. Find the instance where I brought them up in the OP because I haven't. Here are the countless times that I clarified myself. Countless times I had to clarify to Jackboot that I did not believe that he was OOC sexist, a creep, or anything at all. I just thought his characters were creepy and sexist to an uncomfortable level and I wanted him to please tone it down. There is absolutely no slander here. I have countlessly clarified privately and publicly that I do not think that Jackboot is a creep or a sexist or absolutely anything. Most of his deputies were actually the one to expand on some of the strange sexist/creepy practices but I have never mentioned that before because I did not want to slander anyone and that is besides the point. --- "Spamming the forums with negativity." is ridiculous. I was told to make staff complaints. About 90% of my staff complaints were told to be done by staff. The only instance where I was negative on the forums was when I was given a 24 hour ban for doing so, the first punishment I've received on the forums in over a year which was when I made the joke about AMR users having a small penis. The ban itself actually wouldn't have applied either, because the person who gave the previous warning forgot to set an expire time. It would've been super fucking easy staff complaint material; only banned because of a staff mistake, but I decided not to start any more shit publicly and did not make a staff complaint. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with appealing notes or warnings. Notes or warnings leads to bans. There have been plenty of times that notes and warnings have lead to bans before. Actually, a minor warning that I wanted to appeal, but didn't because I didn't want to, lead to a permaban. As for some of these complaints, I'm actually pretty pissed off about how you're representing them. I was complaining about IC unrealistic behavior on an extended round. I mean right now there is currently a thread up about someone doing the same thing and them trying to appeal the punishment for it. This had nothing to do with qualification, and I even straight up said I didn't want their characters deleted. I thought it was rule breaking, so I made a complaint about it. I even clarified several times in the thread what the issue here is but we're ignoring that too in our synopsis. You're literally complaining that I'm putting effort into my complaint. This is not okay. This is not a valid reason to get someone banned. I find it absolutely outrageous that you're also ignoring how hostile they were in the complaint and think that me responding in a direct matter is bad. I did not use any insults in the complaint. I did not insult them. I only talked about their points. This is roughly the tone that I had in the complaint. I was very upset that the player in question was disregarding the player behind the screen. They were being very hostile and weren't being very courteous either when they made a player complaint about me, but I'm not complaining about that because I understand why they would be upset, which is why I ignored their emotions and just focused on the substance. There is absolutely nothing wrong with appealing a note. I was told to make a staff complaint to appeal complaints. In the end, the note was reworded properly and everyone went their separate ways in a very chill fashion. More to come. I'm posting this in case the editor accidentally deletes it.

Some forms of Sexual harassment is actually not against the rules. The server unironically allows sexual tension and "romantic" scenes.