BurgerBB

Science has always been broken. No developer really wants to touch science at all considering how much shitcode there is to touch and the fact that science mains are some of the most entitled players out of any department; even surpassing sec. I remember when I introduced modular kinetic accelerators, some science player didn't like it because mining players don't deserve improvements like that.

you know what? lock this thread. I don't want to deal with this shit. I legitimately don't trust a person to handle this where it's okay to say "what you're complaining that the warning you received is unfair? maybe you're right, maybe I should've done a harsher punishment" like jesus fucking christ

How about we don't issue bans for complaining? Saying this sort of thing shouldn't be okay.

BYOND Key: BurgerBB Staff BYOND Key: pratepresidenten Game ID: b5a-dzyJ Reason for complaint: Bad warning. "Continuing to make meme announcement as an AI, taking jabs at the Captain, something an AI should never do in the first place. Also, please be mindful of your turrets when you turn them on lethal, especially with crew in the room, even if it was an accident." I'm appealing the second part of the announcement here. One of the raider antagonists was trying to breach one of the walls so they could steal me, so I locked down the shutters and then activated my turrets so the watching security wouldn't be targeted by the turrets. I thought this turret controller would only control these 5 turrets. It makes sense because it is centered around that. Turns out it also controls some of the other turrets in the other room, which accidentally shot on security. It was an honest mistake but for some reason that's mentioned here too and pratepresidenten was extremely unsympathetic about this. They said I should know better because I play AI a lot, despite it being extremely rare for an AI to ever modify their turret settings and even more rarer for someone to go inside your core. I mean, I'm somewhat fine with a warning about the meme announcement, but I am absolutely not fine with the announcement about making a simple mistake that had no issues other than 2 security members were shot once while they had full body armor, and easily treated on scene by the paramedics that I let in earlier. It honestly feels like they were trying hard to ding me for something. The first incident isn't really worth warning over, and the second incident is definitely not worth warning for, so they decided to combine the warning together despite the first one being "eh sure" and the second one being "what."

I assume that the borer sprites remain largely unchanged from what we used to have and it's still that grotesque oversized worm that was designed for /tg/ servers with organic races. I recently saw an addition that excludes a good chunk of races from being infected with borer, and I think that's some pretty bad gameplay. I think it would be better to make it so that Borers are actually robotic spiders or something that latch onto your spine instead. They would send signals to the nerves for organics and just upload code directly for inorganics. I don't know if Aurora has this, but the only way to defeat a borer inside a body is pretty convoluted if you don't know already (sugar + morphine) while machines are more obvious (EMP). I think them being a machine is better, more realistic, and way more flexible than an organic when it comes to their powers and abilities.

Do you know what people will do now if they really don't want a borer inside them? They won't ready up. They'll join mid round. The reason why so many people are against this ruling is because that this really goes against what people expect from antags. Since my PR that made people not be antagonists if they don't want to, people have been reasonably comfortable with expecting that they're not going to have to deal with antag bullshit 0 minutes into the round. Having to be forced with an antag without any roleplay is just dumb and goes against existing norms and rules on the server, and honestly feels like an extremely poor attempt to turn another bug/oversight into a feature. Here is an easy solution: People who have borer enabled and didn't get borer in a borer round would get a borer spawned in them.

It's resolved but I hope that the attitudes here are changed. Didn't really appreciate the sarcasm by the other admin but I guess there isn't really anything I can do about it.

Look, I appreciate the intent, but I do not like the unsolicited advice. My mental state is currently fine as I've been stepping away from the server frequently for a break. I've been playing Goonstation, Yogstation, Paradise Station, and constantly working on my own station. The worst thing that happened to me was IBS from eating crackers, not this thread.

Right, it doesn't surprise me that the foundations of the argument "You should be allowed to be sexual towards other characters because worse things can happen to your character." were muttered after the ruling. I signed up to play Aurorastation for space station shenanigans. By playing the server, I consent to be being killed and shot and whatever and other players have agreed that I can do the same to them, all in the name of sport. When people are killed in game, they understand that it is nothing personal and it's just sport. However, I did not sign up to play Aurorastation for unwanted sexual advances and neither did anyone else, hopefully. In 99% of cases they don't do it for fun, but because of self-interest aka "I'm horny." There is a time and a place for sexual garbage and the place is definitely not Aurorastaiton. And this isn't because of a North American thing. If a player remarked in looc, ooc, or ic that they really want to torture or punch my character, I would 100% ahelp that because that's creepy as fuck.

To be fair, a better analogy for cultists would be an admin ruling that it's okay for cultists to stun and instantly convert a crewmember next to them at round start.

The OP was intended as a general advisory of "Hey. This behavior exists and some people don't appreciate it, so if you're doing it or enabling it, you should probably stop." and not a "Hey admins, look at this situation. Ban people."

I think this is a pretty bad post honestly and honestly I hope you're not the same guy who messaged me on discord about a similar topic. I'm invested in Aurorastation consider I play on it on a daily basis and have contributed quite a lot in terms of time and code when it comes to the development of the server. I have made many overhauls and feature improvements that have left a long-term impact on Aurorastation and I think I have a right to bring up shit like this instead of being a basic bitch and keeping everything I say quiet because people seem to believe it's better that way, when it actually isn't. I am doing what I'm told by staff to do. All the complaint threads that you see are threads that staff have told me to make. I don't know if you read this thread but I am being told by staff I should've made more complaints. I am literally making less threads than staff have recommended me to do.

She... does not do porn. This is like saying it's okay to say some weird shit to Geeves' character because he is featured in a ScalesNStuff magazine. Guess I'm going to have to remove that.

You literally dragged a player that I was talking to away and said something in the other unathi language to them when I was mid conversation with them. I mentioned to security that you were with a cadet who screamed for help and you threatened to "report me." I am not complaining that you won't interact with me, I am currently complaining that you acting like the older brother who is going "I'm not touching you! I can't get in trouble!" when you're poking me with a stick.

A few things about this post. My original post did not mention him or his behavior; it was meant to talk about the general sexual behavior, not sexist behavior, of unathi players. The only time sexism was brought up in the original post was when I noticed that the justifications for sexual behavior were similar to the justifications used in real life for women and men receiving sexual harassment. I had no reason to mention Marlon in the post because administrators/mods are currently looking into it. They mentioned it anyways so I responded and here we are. There is currently an IR up for his behavior, but it is currently being put on hold because they are wondering if this is an OOC issue or an IC issue.

No. Let me just repeat things that I've said to you and add new things because it doesn't seem to be clear what I think the issue here is and we keep going back to the "Burger thinks Marlon is sexist." You are not a sexist. You don't think that women are inferior. You are not a misogynist. You don't hate women. You are not a creep. You aren't creepy OOC. Your character acts like a sexist to an unreasonable level. Your character acts like a creep to an unreasonable level. Your character acts like a misogynist to an unreasonable level. As someone who is subjected to it and has to suffer because of it, I don't think it's appropriate for your character to do these things from an OOC perspective. I think it's unreasonable to play a character who does this in Tau Ceti employed by Humans. I think it's unreasonable to ignore my concerns and shift blame onto myself when I say that your interactions towards me make me uncomfortable. I don't think it's unreasonable for me to be uncomfortable when a player constantly targets my character and treats them worse than most characters, and honestly even worse than most female characters. I'm not asking you to stop the casual sexism that's defined in the lore. I'm asking you to stop doing so in a high level towards me and possibly even towards other people who might not like it. I'm asking you to please take it down a notch and understand that there is another player behind the screen who feels very uncomfortable when you're doing something that is extremely topical and can easily be mistaken for an actual creep. I understand that you want to roleplay, and that you don't like being told what you can and cannot do, but I think that you should understand here that there is someone who doesn't appreciate it when you cross the line on multiple occasions, with honestly some really poor intent here. I understand why you'd get angry when I call your character's behavior creepy. I understand why you'd get angry when I'm telling you that you should stop doing something. I've done my best not to defame you, and avoid mentioning your name because I respect you as a person, and the issue here is not you but the ideals you have so that is what I am talking about, but I can understand feeling attacked because these are your ideals. What I have issue is the fact that you do not seem to be very understanding of why I don't appreciate being targeted like this. I'm telling you OOCly that I do not like the way your character harrasses and berates me ICly and honestly It's starting to become reasonable that this is motivated by OOC factors because your character's behavior gets more worse the more I complain. It's just abusive behavior. Like, when I tried making friends with another character, you looked at our conversation, and then decided to drag them away, and I think that's where I drew the final line. Like I've said countless times, your character's behavior is unironically extremely similar to actual abusive people and it really blurs the lines between OOCly motivated and ICly motivated.

Right. I'm not going to argue with you further than this post because it seems that you're not reading what I'm saying and you're still confusing one situation with another while others don't seem to have the same problem, and I'm honestly questioning your intentions here with your remarks here and your previous interactions with me. The ex-moderator's creepy behavior was brought up to Arrow as they were the only one I could contact as I was permabanned as they handled forum moderation before. They didn't see the need to act or report it. It was then brought up to administrators, but they didn't really care and chastised me for not making a complaint at the time. I regret not realising their intentions sooner and I regret not making a complaint. The "tummy rubbing" remarks were send to paradox as I was in another conversation with them. They said it wasn't ban-worthy, but they said they'll look into it anyways. Marlon's character believability, not their sexism, was brought up in a player complaint. Marlon's sexism and hostile behavior was brought up in an ahelp. Alb handled it, and said that was an IC issue because I couldn't prove that he was doing it with his other characters despite not knowing their other characters. Marlon's sexism was brought up in a CIAA complaint that hasn't been touched. Marlon being a dick was brought up to Lady Fowl, who hasn't responded because they are currently ghosting on discord due to an illness. Incidents reported included them dragging players who I was talking to mid conversation away, them being a vampire and threatening to report me for saying that they were with a cadet screaming for help, and the two incidents in the screenshot.

I reported the person to Paradox with their character name over discord after I thought about how reporting it would be beneficial to everyone, and someone told me to report it. I'm not attacking or anything, but I have stated this several times to them in the deadchat conversation, but here it is for reference. This thread is not a player complaint. It's not meant to be about a specific person but rather the behavior I've noticed from other whitelisted players, mostly Unathi. The staff complaint I made was because they showed some pretty toxic viewpoints regarding enabling this sort of behavior. I would've included ParadoxSpace in my complaint but I don't know what he did or what he argued or what he ruled so I thought it would be unfair to him. To me, the comments that alb and prate made were worse than the actual crime here because I don't think this is acceptable for Aurorastation. Would you like me to make 2 policy/lore discussion threads in a proper format so this can be discussed more officially?

I hate this post because it confuses when and what happened at different times and then ends with a remark that isn't the point of anything. I've dealt with administration long enough to understand that there are some administrators that require several paragraphs of incidents in order for them to do anything at all about a single incident. In most cases, this is a good thing, but in some cases it isn't because some adminstrators/mods think that just because it's a single incident, doesn't mean they don't have to really do anything. It's extremely easy to establish doubt and you will be made fun of for reporting players who say one lewd remark to a character. If I ahelped all those incidents individually, no one would take me seriously. I know this for sure now because I reported the "tummy rubbing" remarks to a moderator and they said it wasn't worth dealing with. I talked to two admins in deadchat, one said that it was cute and the other said it was cringe, but both said it wasn't worth dealing with. I mean, as I was writing this, someone just came into the thread, quoted literally one incident out of like 12 , and said "I don't see this as sexist" while ignoring everyone else. Do you see how easy it is to establish doubt, regardless of how reasonable it is? I mean you're establishing doubt here too. You're doing here with the long-time-ago incident where someone was erpy around my character by saying "pinning people against a wall isn't sexual"despite me literally describing several other incidents. I didn't think I had to say this, but during emoted wall pins, they emoted an attempt to kiss me several times. I shouldn't have to say that when I gave other context too to describe their intent. You're doing it with Marlon here earlier too so I honestly think your intentions here aren't good, especially with that last remark which completely misses the point. The issue here is not that they're ignoring me, but they're going "lalala you don't exist, I don't hear you!" while doing it over basic trivial fucking shit like a question on whether or not the solars are up or if they want me to bring an air pump to the bar and then fuck off.

I literally told you it spawned several rounds. I told you that it has happened before and you insisted that it wasn't metagrudging because there was no evidence that he did to me with other characters he played, and you closed the ticket because I gave the response "I don't know if he did it with other characters."

Just to be clear this thread is about mainly the sexual remarks as opposed one person being an issue, which is why I didn't touch on this in the OP because this conversation always gets derailed and turned into a shitflinging fest of everyone posting out of context screenshots while ignoring the main part of the conversation.

I just want to say that I agree with most of what you said in this post and I'm glad you took some time to respond and read it. Just to be clear on one issue, all of the issues regarding borderline erp and creepy behavior were never done outside the server but all done within the server itself. Some scenes included me unironically being grabbed and pinned against the wall and me saying in IC and OOC that I'm not comfortable with it, and making jokes related to erp spiders. I made this thread because I'm being told that the behavior outlined in both instances was okay according to several players and 3 admins, and you can see sort of that in action with FreshRefreshment's post which honestly is the most attention I'm going to give to it because it's just so corrupt. There is still some other unresolved issues that I really want to pay attention to, that you mention in this post, and it is the issue of unathi being weird with their sexism to the point where I'm unironically going to have to bring up citadel here. On citadel, I played a female because I was uncomfortable playing a male there as I was a homosexual and I did not want to get involved in scenes. People were very respectful about being denied erp, and would leave you alone if you showed the slightest bit of disinterest. A dude had a massive tribal fetish because of his headcanon of "lizards are from lavaland" and would unironically act like a grug except with a boner who would say and do some of the same things that Jackboot was doing. When I told them my concerns, they were like "Yeah, yeah that's cool." and toned it down to acceptable levels. In another instance, Citadel staff went apeshit on a dude who said "don't play a female if you don't want to be treated like a female" in response to someone who was doing something similar, but worse. When administration was brought in for the second time, I bought all of my concerns to him. He basically told me it's my fault that I'm offended and that he won't change his playstyle. There was a lot more said by me and I'm depressed again that Jackboot still insists on taking out of context screenshots in order to somehow validate. It's extremely clear that they're not acting in good faith here. Like, the things he do isn't just sexism. When I got into engineering, he started throwing shit at me. He started challenging me to a duel despite me telling them to fuck off. They started making several creepy sexist remarks that I wasn't comfortable with. They told to fuck off whenever I had an engineering concern. They started "locker spamming" as a meme despite me telling them to stop and I knocked them down with a claw in maintenance, and ran away. They literally followed me into maintenance and started grabbing me despite me telling them to stop several times, resulting in me headbutting them, and running away again. They then chased me, again, and tried assaulting me with a goddamn shovel. When telling them that this isn't okay because I feel that it's honestly metagrudging at this point and note roleplay, they get super defensive and blame everything on me. They ended up throwing their hands in the air and saying that they'll just not interact with me. I thought that meant "hey I won't don't any roleplay with you" but apparently that meant going "lalalala I can't hear you, you don't exist" whenever I bring up things. This would be hilarious if it wasn't high school and there was one instance where they literally said IC that "I will report you." when I said that they were doing antag shit. I've had players refer to me as female and that's it. That's fine to me. What isn't fine is literally everything I outlined above, and more because I've never seen a character do this sort of thing to other characters. I've seen greytide do this where they scream "ligger female" and then try to grab and toolbox me, which is actually hilarious here. What isn't hilarious is a loredev who can't really be held accountable since they're the god damn loredev for unathi and make the rules and don't realise that maybe a player isn't comfortable when you're doing things that is indistinguishable from roleplay and metagrudging. And honestly I should stop using the word sexism here because it's easy to defend for some reason and easy for people to go "It's IC!" even though I've said that it's MUCH more than that. I think Jackboot knows it because he keeps going back to it even though I've said "I'm not bothered by sexism, I'm bothered by the creepy behavior of you harassing my character."

Honestly I just want to share a hilarious situation here and possibly offer some very unique insight that is never talked about here. Note that this isn't a callout post of a specific person. Some context. About a year ago another player's tried courting one of my Unathi characters. I semi-played along with it because I thought it was in the spirit of RP, and I personally found it hilarious. But as time went on, shit became creepier and creepier considering they wanted to have an in-game wedding and wanted me to wear schoolgirl uniforms. I decided to just completely cut ties with the person full stop and didn't say anything considering the dude involved was a fucking moderator, was actually 40 years old or something (rumor I think), and other staff, mostly lore folks, was completely aware of how some of the scenes would turn into borderline erp so it was clear I had 0 chance of getting this resolved without me putting a bullet through my brain. But yeah, when I eventually realised "hey this isn't actually funny, I'm pretty fucking sure this dude is a creep", I reported it to someone who was staff but wasn't an admin because they were literally the only one I could contact as I was kinda permabanned and no one responded to my DMs or friend requests. He didn't see the use in pursuing it at the time. I talked about it again when I got back from the permaban to but some administrators made fun of me for not reporting it properly and didn't seem welcoming when it came to try and talk about. Keeping the above in mind when I got back, I remade a new character. A 25 year old obnoxious, yelling, extremely tall, and overweight female lizard who is only snowflake in how generic they look. Their flavortext was 3 sentences long, stating that they were female, 6'8 or whatever the fuck, and borderline overweight. There were 0 references to where their body fat was located; for all we know they could just have 200 pounds of fat in the arms and 10 pounds of fat elsewhere (artist's rendition). Regardless, for their outfit, they dressed in a scottish kilt and a large black leather sleeveless vest. They were a closet lesbian at most and were always mistaken as a male by 99% of human players. They were completely unfuckable and literally designed that way to avoid players who got a little too into that "wives are property" lore shit to avoid creepy behavior. But despite this, people still found a way to be fucking weird about them. My character has been subjected to and seen some pretty deplorable behavior, IC and OOC. Examples include being called "mistress", "thicc", "girthy", "voluptuous", and unironically "nubile" which I actually had to look up in a dictionary which made me laugh, cry, and die all at once. A more specific and recent example, someone said in LOOC that they want to rub my character's "tummy" in which case I promptly told them to fuck off in a polite way aka saying "Please don't say that." About 90% of these are jokes but there is that 10% there that makes you uncomfortable and question whether or not the 90% is actually 90%, but maybe like 75%, 50%, or even 25%. The number gets lower and lower each time I report the 10% of instances just based on the excuses other players and staff have for this behavior. Like I've dealt with some weird fucking shit from admins and staff across all games and servers, but never have I suffered an admin telling me that it's okay for someone to say something sexual towards a character that I control because they personally find the remarks cute. Given that I complain and ahelp a lot, I get other justifications too to excuse some questionable behavior from other players that I don't feel comfortable with. These are the ones that I can mostly remember without butchering the hell out of it. - Don't play a female unathi if you don't want to be treated like one. - It's part of Unathi culture. - Seperate the IC from the OOC. - You shouldn't be uncomfortable OOCly when someone does something uncomfortable to your character ICly. - The behavior has good intentions therefore that is all that should matter. - It's not creepy, it's endearing. And I'm not saying the people who are justifying this are sexist, but the language and justifications they use are DANGEROUSLY CHEESY CLOSE to the language and justifications people use to justify IRL sexual harassment. Now, I'm not saying that actual IRL sexual harassment is the same as one of my characters being called thicc in a 2d atmos simulator, but you just can't help comparing and contrasting the logic people use to defend this sort of behavior in game and in real life. I think a good starting point towards a solution to maybe cut down on this behavior is to maybe consider the comfort levels of other players and maybe not say or do things that would reasonably get a normal person to be weirded out. Like most people just use themselves for self reference and say "well if it doesn't make me uncomfortable, then it probably won't make me uncomfortable" and then unironically proceed to talk about how their desire as a unathi male is becoming a husband completely subservient woman (THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED). If that doesn't convince you, then consider this: Aurorastation doesn't have an age requirement. Consider for a moment that you may be talking about your robust sexual attraction to 2d lizardpeople, to a 15 year old dude.