Is ATLAS canon?

[Marlon P.]

The wiki page for ATLAS has not been updated since 2019, predating the KOTW arc, which itself utilizes ATLAS. This is only referring to the page i was redirected to when searching ATLAS on the wiki. 

I've heard a few times on the discord that ATLAS was retconned, and others said they weren't sure. This came after I actively looked for a little when asked if I could summarize all the Alliance news articles; half of which would be noncanon if atlas was retconned.

A channel on the discord where users can vote for things also only has one post saying theyll retcon ATLAS, which seems like a joke but it's added a buff to the existing confusion.

A lot of build up here to explain why I ask this question:

Is ATLAS canon? What was retconned? What's still the same? Was it just rebranded?

Thank you. 

[Kintsugi]

10 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

The wiki page for ATLAS has not been updated since 2019, predating the KOTW arc, which itself utilizes ATLAS. This is only referring to the page i was redirected to when searching ATLAS on the wiki. 

To my knowledge, Atlas did not appear at all during the KotW arc. I am curious as to how you got this impression - would you mind pointing out where it may have appeared? Perhaps there was a passing reference to Frost's involvement in Atlas, but it was not at all an active party during KotW.

Anyway, no, Atlas was not retconned. It's a defunct organization that is no longer really involved in Solarian politics. What is ambiguous is how that happened - but its canonicity is not up for debate.

Edited October 15, 2021 by DanseMacabre

[Marlon P.]

7 hours ago, DanseMacabre said:

Perhaps there was a passing reference to Frost's involvement in Atlas, but it was not at all an active party during KotW.

Any reference to him during an overview was assumed to be as the head of ATLAS, given he was the leader of ATLAS prior to my departure in 2019. I did not see a point in which he defected to another movement before being assassinated.

It seems like it was soft retconned if your summary is correct. Does it have any successor? Any lasting impact on sol? Is it acknowledged by human developers?

Im sure these sound like the stupidest questions in the world. I don't want to work on a labor intensive project of helping summarize half a decade of human lore articles if it's in a very tenious position of canonity.Im sure these sound like the stupidest questions in the world. Outside the other reasons; I would not want to work on a labor intensive project of helping summarize half a decade of human lore articles if it's in a very tenious position of canonity

Edited October 15, 2021 by Marlon P.

[Kintsugi]

13 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

Any reference to him during an overview was assumed to be as the head of ATLAS, given he was the leader of ATLAS prior to my departure in 2019. I did not see a point in which he defected to another movement before being assassinated.

Atlas stopped being a functional party in our lore at the very beginning of 2020, so the assumption here isn't accurate. It can be assumed that he either became an independent after abandoning Atlas, or that he became involved with Human Unity.

13 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

It seems like it was soft retconned if your summary is correct. Does it have any successor? Any lasting impact on sol? Is it acknowledged by human developers?

The de facto successor of Atlas is Human Unity, which is a pan-Human nationalist party which occupies a number of political positions similar to Atlas. It currently shares power in the Alliance alongside the Sol First Party, which is a populist Solarian nationalist party, and the Solarian navy. I'd say it certainly does have a lasting impact on Sol, considering it got Frost into power and therefore contributed to the collapse, but it has not been mentioned by the lore team since it became defunct, and does not need to be mentioned - it played its part and that's that.

[Zelmana]

I've gotten mixed responses from this over the few years it has come up in OOC. I think sometimes even staff mentioning that it was retconned or reworked and therefore should no longer be mentioned. Back in the day there were a lot more arcs and tensions between players over species. Think how different contractors are viewed now, people would be the same with species. With contractors and a lot of Sol-lore being defunct or focus shifted elsewhere it has been phased out.
 

[Lmwevil]

atlas doesn't exist according to this

[Kintsugi]

11 minutes ago, Lmwevil said:

atlas doesn't exist according to this

this is a joke

[Marlon P.]

40 minutes ago, DanseMacabre said:

this is a joke

What is the punchline?

[Marlon P.]

My post sounds pretty snarky, and maybe that slipped out. The major disconnect here seems to be that there's inside jokes about atlas et al. It's a small club and I'm not in it.

It's something i experience as a dungeons and dragons DM. I have the answers to a riddle and it seems to obvious. Meanwhile my players are floundering.

I dont have the information, so the punchline to an inside joke doesnt mean anything. 

Just need a good solid answer please. I have free time so i could do a little bit of article summaries but human lore is vexing - due to the irony floating around it.

[YourDaddy117]

2 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

My post sounds pretty snarky, and maybe that slipped out. The major disconnect here seems to be that there's inside jokes about atlas et al. It's a small club and I'm not in it.

It's something i experience as a dungeons and dragons DM. I have the answers to a riddle and it seems to obvious. Meanwhile my players are floundering.

I dont have the information, so the punchline to an inside joke doesnt mean anything. 

Just need a good solid answer please. I have free time so i could do a little bit of article summaries but human lore is vexing - due to the irony floating around it.

The joke is that Schwann, a lore writer, wrote in a completely disconnected channel made for emojis on the lore discord: "For 1 like I will delete ATLAS." This is in similar fashion to many social media posts talking about how they'll do silly things for a lot (or a little) of likes or upvotes. The joke is that the number is so low and the post is in a channel no one can even talk in. Its clearly not serious. We would know if this happened because the human lore team is incredibly good at communicating changes to the rest of us. It's not an inside joke by any stretch of the imagination. Honestly? I feel like there's been a lot of weird passive aggressive stabs at the human lore team lately.

The discord post was silly. This thread is silly. And this post is silly.

[Marlon P.]

I apologize if my posts appear passive aggressive; it's not my intention.

I can't speak to anything else about the human lore team or jabs. I'm not within the human lore channels enough to get the vibe. Other channels in emojiocracy were used for updates chosen by players, so I have no way to tell if human emojiocracy's joke is the retcon itself or if a retcon was planned and its the fact it was put to a vote was the punchline. Again, I'm not in on the joke.

My OP is pretty silly. It's a very dumb question. And posts here have said there have been conflicting answers, and I've asked this question on discord and got "yes" and '"no" roughly the same.

that is why i made it a thread; so it can get an official response visible to everyone else so hopefully it resolves the uncertainty. Discord answers will get gobbled up relatively fast.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Marlon P.

[Garnascus]

Why dont we ask @Mofo1995 and @Caelphon to settle this matter. I have absolutely no idea how a simple question is able to generate such a trainwreck of a thread.

[The7thLain]

Hi all. 

We in human lore are working on a solution to this question, as it has been something that we have also been mulling over for some time and are working towards a consensus on. Please expect a definitive answer in the next few days.

[Marlon P.]

Thank you!

[The7thLain]

Right. After thinking on this some more this week, I have come to this decision.

ATLAS as an organization is not retconned as of now, however it is defunct. After the assassination of formerly Admiral, then Prime Minister Frost, the party fell to prey to internal struggles. Additionally, the party lost most if not all power it held over the Sol Alliance after the military dissolved the Solarian Parliament in order to form the current system of government that Sol is governed under, a naval junta. Most high-ranking members of the party have either disappeared in the chaos of the Collapse of the Solarian Outer Colonies, been arrested by the current government, or have found themselves integrated into other parties. Lore mentioning ATLAS in the present tense is outdated and will be fixed.

This is all subject to change if we in the Human Lore team decide it is pertinent to do so, however this is the current canon regarding ATLAS. It did exist at one time but does no longer in any way, shape, or form.  

Edited October 24, 2021 by TheBurninSherman

[Marlon P.]

Thank you!