Staff Complaint - Head Administrator Alberyk

[Marlon P.]

BYOND Key:
MarlonPhoenix
Game ID:
Aurora Discords and forum
Player Byond Key/Character name:
Alberyk
Staff involved:
Readthisnameplz, Garnascus
Reason for complaint: 
Alberyk has violated the use of the complaint system to retaliate against me for a staff-complaint.
Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation?
I have made this complaint after mentioning recurring behavior in passing to Garnascus, but I have only posted the staff complaint contesting a strike placed on me by Alb. I am making this staff complaint because, while I tried to make these same points in the complaint thread against me, I realized that I was improper and want it litigated in the proper way -- hence the staff complaint.
Approximate Date/Time:
2nd of August to current is when the behavior explicitly started.

Here is the timeline of events as I understand them.

• Alberyk's last explicit discord @ is on the 2nd of August -- presumably having not blocked me yet. During this time I had a staff complaint on Alberyk to overturn a strike he placed on me in the discord, primarily revolving around him saying this about my work and my response:
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• Readthisnameplz overturns the strike on the 5th.

• Alberyk argues against the decision in the complaint.

• The complaint is closed on the 7th still in my favor.

• Alberyk opens a player-complaint against me on the 8th.

The complaint relies on contradicting @ReadThisNamePlz verdict in the staff complaint. I believe that this is supported by additional logs being provided that focus primarily on conversations that Alb striked me for. Alberyk is re-litigating my behavior in-question over the strike, which should be a staff complaint on the admin that overruled him, and not a player complaint. I believe the fact that he blocked me presumably just before, during, or after he had his decision overturned reinforces this.

In the player complaint against me the Head Administrator brings up a past complaint that I placed on another player. In that original complaint I brought up allegations that I was facing abuse and bullying from said player. I provided logs showing the behavior I found abusive and provided the definition to what I meant by "abuse". The player was punished for their behavior which the handling admin Garnascus found to be rule-breaking. The behavior towards me from the player then stopped. There was no mention at the time about my allegation being rule-breaking. That complaint has since been hidden and I cannot link to it. Staff should still have access to it and I ask that if any logs involving that player be posted, please redact their discord name/pfb. They already had action taken against them, the behavior stopped, and I have no interest in bringing attention to them again for the peanut gallery.

In another conversation he alleges I was derailing, we were talking about something or other and I went into old DM's of a staff-member to get some info on the subject and re-discovered graphic and pornographic images that I had assumed the player had deleted at some point in the years that I had them blocked. I talked about how shocked I was in the convo and did go off-topic. While I acknowledge that I "derailed" the conversation, I believe that hearing about what I had just seen, callously reacting with "go on I guess" does not indicate that he at the time believed that I violated any rules or was behaving in toxic behavior, just that he was frustrated at me being upset in the first place because I was no responding to him properly. This is further evidenced by him saying in the player complaint about it:

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In the end of this discussion, I think we asked about examples related to articles, which he decided to derail it again by putting someone on blast, which prompted people to get curious about who did this (which was over 6 years ago and got the person banned) instead of doing what he said he would (it is also very hypocrite behavior when he complains about people holding him for stuff he did years ago):

---- And later in the player complaint ----
The discussion in the discord had nothing to do with what happened in 2019. You decided to bring it up without this ever being the context of the conversation. You were derailing a lore discussion about something unrelated by bringing it up. It prompted a lot of people to get curious and try to find out who did it. 

I believe that this kind of comment, in regards to me dropping a convo after suddenly having to look at a picture of a foot being impaled by a phone charger and two dudes doing anal on a table, is evidence that this is not a matter of me violating the rules but a matter of assuming misbehavior where there is none, and using it as evidence of misbehavior for their desire to see punishment on me reinstated for the sake of retaliation.

• While the staff-member that did this has not deleted the images for whatever reason fucking escapes me, they were at one point punished, apologized, and I've never had a problem with them since then so I'm not going to drag any beef about that in here. Please do not post their name if you reference the incident. If the person is reading this though: can you delete that stuff? Thanks.

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He also alleges in the player-complaint that I lied about misreading a series of messages, in order so I can, I presume, win an argument.

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In the discussion of the first screenshoot, he claimed I told people we did not want feedback when someone said something about it, which I did not say this at all. He later tried to explain he missed what I wrote, but he send a message right away. He is either engaged in a discussion while not reading stuff, which just ends with him frustating people, or lied about not reading it:

I believe that this willful misinterpretation of me just misreading part of an active discord conversation and me then saying something incorrect and turning it into me being a liar is further evidence that he is retaliating by bringing up non-rulebreaking conversations. I believe that in that conversation I acknowledged I beefed it and apologized -- which someone maliciously and willfully misrepresenting his position would not do.

He also alleges that me bringing up what I thought was a completely neutral position - that events seem to have gotten more bloody, and that cloning being retconned retired characters who were canonically clones - is derailment, or that something else I say is a position that is completely made-up. He also uses the thought-terminating cliché "You don't even play the game", which does not mean anything and is just used to shut someone down, which I believe shows additional animus from him towards me which encouraged the retaliation.

He has also leaked my playtime to the discord server in order to prove that I don't play enough.

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He also says that,

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Claiming the the wiki dev team is a hostile ambient to work with without any evidence. This application was really low effort and just copy pasted from a previous lore one:

Alongside the rude comment about my application --- which I do not half-ass --- he claims that me not publicly litigating my feeling unwelcomed is evidence of misbehavior. I would like to point to the player complaint on me, with its repeated references to why I am bad for the community, as evidence as to why I felt weird vibes. I feel that this is evidence of Alberyk attempting to retaliate against me by alleging misbehavior where there is none.

He later posts a player complaint I posted in June of 2021, where I called out people that were talking about me in really rude ways on the discord. Nothing came of the complaint, but the name-calling from the listed players did stop so I never brought it up again. This is not misbehavior on my part, and is evidence that Alberyk is attempting to retaliate against me by alleging misbehavior where there is none.

He then goes into behavior from 2019. I have little comment since I don't remember any of these interactions. I will say I still agree with pointing out the similarities in the uniform but I guess I was a little aggressive in bringing it up. I think that thread is a violation of the rules.

I have no real comment on the identarian remark. The player it was towards deleted whatever he said which made me ask the question, so I have no way to tell the context. It probably is a violation of the rules, since it is pretty rude.

I do not feel that the two instances where I give that I violated the rules -- being that they are three years old -- are enough for Alberyk's claim that I have a whole pattern of misbehavior.

I hope to show that the behavior from Alberyk in making his player complaint was improper, and that he is unfairly castigating me only after he had been ruled against, and it is in order to have punishment re-instated on my account after he was unable to do it himself.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Marlon P.

[Alberyk]

A lot of this was already discussed in previous complaints which is still being handled, I don't see any point in trying to explain each log, so I will address the accusation that I am somehow abusing the complaint system.

I did not make this complaint because of the strike incident. I made this complaint because of marlon's behavior in the lore discord at day two of this month. I posted this log here in the player complaint:

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Biplane's post is pretty much how I felt about this whole discussion. After this, I blocked marlon, did not interact with him, started to work on a complaint and posted shortly after. I did not make this complaint to try to get marlon punished by the strike. I was approached by people complaining about marlon's behavior in the discussion above, and I refused to do anything as staff because he had a complaint open on me and I was actively involved in this discussion. So, I decided to make a player complaint.

My issue with the stev's complaint is how you were soapboxing it. You did not need to link a medical article on signs of abuse or try to pain them as an abuser. You could just point out how they were being mean to you. In fact, the player in question asked for the staff to hide the complaint because it was causing them distress to be painted a some kind of patholic/serial abuser.

23 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

I believe the fact that he blocked me presumably just before, during, or after he had his decision overturned reinforces this.

So, don't matter what I do here, I am somehow always in the wrong. This is barely an argument and makes no sense. I blocked you because what you did in the discussion above just made me not want to interact with you anymore.

22 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

Alongside the rude comment about my application --- which I do not half-ass --- he claims that me not publicly litigating my feeling unwelcomed is evidence of misbehavior. I would like to point to the player complaint on me, with its repeated references to why I am bad for the community, as evidence as to why I felt weird vibes. I feel that this is evidence of Alberyk attempting to retaliate against me by alleging misbehavior where there is none.

I explained why I said that in the player complaint. Also, you applied for unathi lore dev, when there was no opening, which shows you were not really up to par to what was even going on the team.

22 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

He also uses the thought-terminating cliché "You don't even play the game", which does not mean anything and is just used to shut someone down, which I believe shows additional animus from him towards me which encouraged the retaliation.

He has also leaked my playtime to the discord server in order to prove that I don't play enough.

I never said that to you. Someone else asked if you played this year, you said yes, I proved that you did not. I see no problem in bring data to verify claims. Also, observing is not really playing because you are not really interacting with anything or taking part in the game. I kept talking to you in that discussion despite that and never ever brought up your play time in any argument with you, besides in the one you claimed you did while you did not.

And above all, I am free to bring whatever I want for staff to analysis as rule breaking or not. If you can do it in this complaint, I can do the same anywhere as well.

[Marlon P.]

At the time i believed that not providing a definition of abuse and how their behavior tracked on that would be rule violating because it would be an ad hominem. I wanted to provide evidence. I would now just refer to their behavior as rule breaking, regardless of me still believing it was abusive behavior.

Players complaining about the conversation does not itself prove a rule violation happened. There was enough in that conversation for me to complain about -- I find "you cannot speak about our server because you do not play enough" is a violation of rule 2. If I complain about it enough, can those people start to get banned? I know it is a bad-faith thing because even when I started to play again, I saw somewhere someone claimed that me playing the game was a conspiracy by myself to win arguments or something. It is seeking misbehavior where there is none in order to support retaliation.

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I explained why I said that in the player complaint. Also, you applied for unathi lore dev, when there was no opening, which shows you were not really up to par to what was even going on the team.

Applying to a position isn't rule-breaking behavior. I had a drive to apply and wanted to get stuff done. Calling me "not up to par" is rude.

15 minutes ago, Alberyk said:

I never said that to you. Someone else asked if you played this year, you said yes, I proved that you did not. I see no problem in bring data to verify claims. Also, observing is not really playing because you are not really interacting with anything or taking part in the game. I kept talking to you in that discussion despite that and never ever brought up your play time in any argument with you, besides in the one you claimed you did while you did not.

Considering being an observer to be playing the game -- given i am sitting down and am engaged with your game -- is not rule breaking behavior that needs to be exposed to the entire community. Its retaliatory to use it in a complaint.

I see staff that don't play making policy about the game and punishing players. Why do they get to make policy but I can't even comment on it? Why don't you drop the playtime logs of admins at the end of complaints to show that the admin plays enough? You would not -- the only purpose of posting it is to shut me down, which is rude, and I believe shows that Alberyk engaged in misbehavior culminating in retaliation.

I've said what I wanted to say, and barring posts from other parties, I will wait for administration to respond.

[Alberyk]

10 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

At the time i believed that not providing a definition of abuse and how their behavior tracked on that would be rule violating because it would be an ad hominem. I wanted to provide evidence. I would now just refer to their behavior as rule breaking, regardless of me still believing it was abusive behavior.

 

That was never needed in any complaint ever about bad behavior. I don't think it would in this case at all. In fact, both of us made complaints without it.

10 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

There was enough in that conversation for me to complain about -- I find "you cannot speak about our server because you do not play enough" is a violation of rule 2.

I never said that. Only cybs brought this up.

10 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

Applying to a position isn't rule-breaking behavior. I had a drive to apply and wanted to get stuff done. Calling me "not up to par" is rude.

When I mean not up to par, I mean that you were not aware that the current positions in the team were already filled. It is not rude at all. If you knew that they were filled, you would not, or at least should have not, have applied for unathi deputy. So yes, it was low effort because it did not even consider the basic: if the position in question was even open.

10 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

I see staff that don't play making policy about the game and punishing players. Why do they get to make policy but I can't even comment on it? Why don't you drop the playtime logs of admins at the end of complaints to show that the admin plays enough? You would not -- the only purpose of posting it is to shut me down, which is rude, and I believe shows that Alberyk engaged in misbehavior culminating in retaliation.

I never ever used this argument against you. I did not shut you down in that discussion, I continued to talk to you even after I proved that you did not join any round. I was not even the person to bring it up. Please show me when I said that you should not talk about the server because you do not play.

10 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

Its retaliatory to use it in a complaint.

When did I even use that in a complaint?

Please stop trying to defend your behavior and focus on proving that I had ill intentions with opening the complaint. This is about my behavior, there is no point in trying to defend yourself from the accusations I made somewhere else.

[Marlon P.]

I got community banned. Is this complaint still relevant?

[Marlon P.]

It has been two weeks. Just checked in to see if i had missed any notifications.

To recap,

The head admin issued a strike against me and violated the rules of the discord server.

The strike was overturned. The head admin was also noted to have violated the rules.

The head administrator circumvented an admin ruling against them to make a player complaint, because the head admin wanted to retaliate. The punishment was then escalated to a full community ban.

I was banned for having critical commentary with not enough play time. This is despite "having opinions while not playing enough" being anywhere in the rules. A whole new precedent was just made up on the spot. The rule is also selective. I am the only player banned for having critical commentary without playing enough. A rule was made up then set aside exclusively to retaliate against me.

I was banned for reporting behavior i found to be abusive. I was called toxic for calling it abuse. This all happened only after their decision was overturned. They apparently had no problem with it until they could use the behavior to make me look bad.

I was banned for having a reaction to one of alberyks staffers having in their DMs to me photos of punctured feet and two men having anal on a table. There's been zero consideration to how having those photos in DMs to me might make it reasonable for me to suddenly lose interest in the flow conversation. So much concern for someone trying to bully me, but that behavior is apparently of no interest when it happens to me. Another use of selective standards.

Other members of Albs team posted claiming a conspiracy against them to make them look bad by editing my discord messages.

When i tried to resolve a problem in a confidential complaint, it was promptly and courtesly taken and responded to, whereas this has gone two weeks in the same span of time with zero response from anyone.

So alberyk has,

1) violated the rules to insult me.

2) violated the rules with an improper strike.

3) retaliated with an escalation of punishment by circumventing required processes.

4) violated the rules by insulting me for calling out bullying that violated the rules.

5) got me banned for not being deferential to his rule violations.

6) avoided having to justify his own behavior and making the focus about me thru this complaint rather than a staff complaint against the admin that overruled his rulebreaking decision.

His behavior is abhorrent, rule breaking, and the enabling of it is atrocious. 

A community ban was not on the table until he got a decision overturned.

Nothing i did bothered him until he violated the rules after feeling condescend to by the most milktoast commentary to his rulebreaking attitude.

Ive faced this kind of retaliation before when i made a staff complaint against a mod over antag contracts.

The staff member was fired.

It didnt take 2 weeks for the first reply from administration.

@Garnascus

[Alberyk]

1 hour ago, Marlon P. said:

3) retaliated with an escalation of punishment by circumventing required processes.

Once again, I had more than the strike to make a complaint. I posted something that happened after the strike, which as I explained a couple of times already, was what caused me to make the player complaint. I did not handle it as staff at the time because of the recent staff complaint, so I wanted someone else to look into it.

1 hour ago, Marlon P. said:

5) got me banned for not being deferential to his rule violations.

Making a player complaint is not against the rules when there are no ill intentions. Neither I was involved in the ban besides making the complaint.

1 hour ago, Marlon P. said:

6) avoided having to justify his own behavior and making the focus about me thru this complaint rather than a staff complaint against the admin that overruled his rulebreaking decision.

Why would I have to justify my behavior in a complaint that is not about myself? I already explained why I did x or y in the complaints about myself.

1 hour ago, Marlon P. said:

I was banned for having critical commentary with not enough play time. This is despite "having opinions while not playing enough" being anywhere in the rules. A whole new precedent was just made up on the spot. The rule is also selective. I am the only player banned for having critical commentary without playing enough. A rule was made up then set aside exclusively to retaliate against me.

If you don't agree with the ban, you should make a staff complaint instead of trying to claim that I was somehow involved in getting you banned and discussing it here.

1 hour ago, Marlon P. said:

Nothing i did bothered him until he violated the rules after feeling condescend to by the most milktoast commentary to his rulebreaking attitude.

Sorry but you can't decide how I feel about what you do or not. Like I explained, you did more stuff after that.

[Marlon P.]

What you did with the complaint would be the equivilant of me contesting it by dragging out years worth of logs showing the mod to be a totally awful person in order to get them banned.

It's retaliation.

You violated the rules. 

You not needing to defend your actions is the point. You didn't appeal it because you know you violated the rules and you wanted to reapply punishment without having to justify your inappropriate behavior.

I'm logging out again. Let arrow or garn know to message me on discord once a staffer takes this - i talk to them outside the server still. I dont get emails from threads.

[Alberyk]

11 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

What you did with the complaint would be the equivilant of me contesting it by dragging out years worth of logs showing the mod to be a totally awful person in order to get them banned.

I did not do this.

Like I said, I had stuff that happened after the strike. And the majority of the stuff I posted was from this year.

13 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

You not needing to defend your actions is the point. You didn't appeal it because you know you violated the rules and you wanted to reapply punishment without having to justify your inappropriate behavior.

Me calling the arc bullshit was already handled in the other complaint. Once again, you did more things after this, which is why i made the complaint.

[Alberyk]

I also would like to point out that I have nothing to do with what people posted. Saying that someone is alberyk's staffer is irrelevant.

3 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

I was banned for having a reaction to one of alberyks staffers having in their DMs to me photos of punctured feet and two men having anal on a table. 

The person in question was not staff when they did that.

3 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

Other members of Albs team posted claiming a conspiracy against them to make them look bad by editing my discord messages.

And what I have to do with this? Everyone in the staff is theoretically in albs team. So anything that staff does is my fault or relevant to the complaint?

3 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

When i tried to resolve a problem in a confidential complaint, it was promptly and courtesly taken and responded to, whereas this has gone two weeks in the same span of time with zero response from anyone.

Because it was dismissed, not solved at all.

3 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

Ive faced this kind of retaliation before when i made a staff complaint against a mod over antag contracts.

Can you show when and how exactly?

3 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

The staff member was fired.

It didnt take 2 weeks for the first reply from administration.

Untrue. The person in question resigned before anything could be done or investigated.

[Marlon P.]

1 hour ago, Alberyk said:

Can you show me [how]?

. . .

Untrue. The person in question resigned before anything could be done or investigated.

https://forums.aurorastation.org/topic/8623-resolved-staff-complaint-delta/#comment-84377

"Well now you've gone ahead and burned this particular bridge. You where almost out the door nicely. You would have been fired had you not resigned. Complaint is....resolved?"

[Alberyk]

3 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

"Well now you've gone ahead and burned this particular bridge. You where almost out the door nicely. You would have been fired had you not resigned. Complaint is....resolved?"

They still resigned. If anything, this case is not a valid comparison at all to make a complaint about this complaint taking too long. Both cases are not even the same, because I did not use any admin tool to mess with your stuff or took any action after the strike using my power, I only made a player complaint for someone else to handle.. There was a lot of complaints being open and staff is smaller than back than, so it is going to take longer. We should also take in consideration that this was not even the first thing the person in question did against you.

[Scheveningen]

Hi. As the person who indeed retaliated against you roughly 5 years ago as a former staff member, I would like it stated for the record that while it was a very poor call of judgement to do as I did that long ago, I fail to see the purpose in invoking that specific situation and drawing it directly to what has been (rather sloppily) described by you in this thread. It is not retaliation for another staffmember to punish you for misconduct against another staff member or against the staff as a whole unit. It strikes me as very bizarre to be drawing a comparison between the actions from myself very long ago and then drawing a parallel to the rather-mild-by-comparison and otherwise very justified reaction Alberyk has responded to you with in turn. I also do not appreciate you essentially committing drama necromancy to recite the vendetta I once had against you to fuel your vendetta against Alberyk. I really think you should just let this go, it really is not healthy.

Edit: For clarification, I am involved with which that complaint was apparently cited, since I did a dumb as a staffmember a long time ago, and it is being cited here for some reason. I do not really know why the real reason that is, but I am otherwise establishing context in my role in that, since I do remember it relatively well.

Edited August 26, 2022 by Scheveningen

[Marlon P.]

On 25/08/2022 at 16:29, Alberyk said:

They still resigned. If anything, this case is not a valid comparison at all to make a complaint about

It was retaliation. Its not a 1:1. Still retaliation. The same behavior, different tools. I provided the link after because you asked to be shown it.

You should have filed a staff complaint against the admin and cited my alleged misbehavior as reason to maintain the strike. Or done so in my original staff complaint.

You chose a complaint to avoid having to defend your trolling/misbehavior because it was cited by the handling admin as a violation of the rules.

You violated the rules by trolling me and i get striked for saying the trolling is just your opinion, then later get banned only after your rulebreaking was pointed out and reversed.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Marlon P.

[Alberyk]

2 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

You should have filed a staff complaint against the admin and cited my alleged misbehavior as reason to maintain the strike. Or done so in my original staff complaint.

Once again, you did stuff after the strike incident. That is why I made the complaint. I posted something that you did after the strike. This is like the 4th time I explain this. It would be crazy to make a staff complaint and point something totally unrelated in the staff complaint that happened later. I did not make a complaint solely on the strike situation, which could just be, and fairly sure was, ignored and I would still have the entire rest of the complaint. Once again, the reason I made the complaint was because of a discussion that happened later in the lore discord.

2 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

You chose a complaint to avoid having to defend your trolling/misbehavior because it was cited by the handling admin as a violation of the rules.

That was handled in the complaint already.

[ShesTrying]

@Garnascus and I will be handling this. Give us some time to go through everything. 

[Marlon P.]

Garn is an irl friend of mine; is there any need for him to recuse himself?

[Garnascus]

7 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

Garn is an irl friend of mine; is there any need for him to recuse himself?

No

[Garnascus]

From my perspective Alberyk did not use the complaint system to retaliate against you. Alberyk had absolutely nothing to do with the judgement against you on that complaint. The staff member who banned you brought up a multitude of issues. I dont think its fair to say Alberyk was re-litigating the strike. I do think its weird that Alberyk posted your play time though. We shouldn't be trying to invalidate opinions based on play time. Our positions should be able to handle a little scrutiny. 

[Marlon P.]

It doesnt matter if it's weird. It matters if it's a violation of rules or staff conduct because violating the rules to "gotcha" me is something that head admins should not be allowed to do.

Alberyk engaged in misconduct thru the original strike and it was overturned.

Did alberyk violate the rules when sharing my playtime to the public?

Would it be retaliation if he directly banned me?

Is he violating any rules by calling me toxic for reporting abuse, on top of his other insults against me and my work?

Because his flagrant rulebreaking already shown in insulting me shows he had interest in retaliation to get me banned.

[Alberyk]

15 hours ago, Garnascus said:

We shouldn't be trying to invalidate opinions based on play time.

I never did this. Someone asked if marlon played any round this year, I said he did not, he said I was wrong, I posted the information showing he did not join. In no moment I said that his opinions or anything he said was invalid because he did not play. I never did this. In fact I kept talking to him without even bringing this up at any point in the multiple discussions we have in the discords.

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As you can see, I never said that anything he ever said was invalid because at that point he did not play a single round.

2 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

Because his flagrant rulebreaking already shown in insulting me shows he had interest in retaliation to get me banned.

Besides calling a seven years old arc bullshit, when did I even insult you directly?

2 hours ago, Marlon P. said:

Is he violating any rules by calling me toxic for reporting abuse, on top of his other insults against me and my work?

I never called you toxic or anything like that. At worst I said that your behavior was toxic.

I would also like to point out that me calling the old arc bullshit and bringing up marlon's playtime was already discussed and handled in another complaint. Trying to get another rulling on it here is essentially adminshopping. This complaint should be if I was retaliating or not with the player complaint.

[Marlon P.]

Showing Alberyks bad behavior and bad attitude is necessary to show why and how he retaliated.

I observed rounds and read all the lore shit being released and started playing more in-round, and wanted to talk about it like any other media. My playtime wasnt good enough and Alb releases it to the public as a Gotcha in a way any reasonable person would recognize as a way to make me look like a liar or whatever. 

If its not against the rules, can we see the playtime of other players? Where do i write in a request? I know a few important staffers play less than i did before i got banned for having commentary critical of alberyk.

My behavior being toxic. What a terrible thing to say. Pointing out abuse from a member of this community isn't toxic. 

This kind of snide belittlement of me reinforces that he engaged in retaliation. He continues to berate me and use secondhand excuss -- "its your behavior thats toxic not you" and then accusations that i am admin shopping, on top of lying about his reason for showing my playtime.

Edited September 8, 2022 by Marlon P.

[Marlon P.]

Also im open to ideas on how alberyk expects me to give him evidence of anything now that they locked the door behind me when i left the discords. Otherwise aurora doesnt have any precense on my devices but for artwork i commissioned or someone had made for something.

[Alberyk]

18 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

Showing Alberyks bad behavior and bad attitude is necessary to show why and how he retaliated.

Okay, that is fine. Still there is no point in taking action on stuff that has already been handled in another complaint.

19 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

I observed rounds and read all the lore shit being released and started playing more in-round, and wanted to talk about it like any other media. My playtime wasnt good enough and Alb releases it to the public as a Gotcha in a way any reasonable person would recognize as a way to make me look like a liar or whatever. 

I also released that you did observe but did not join as any character in a crew job. If you meant that you were observing, anyone looking at the image could see that you did connect to the server. You later explained what you mean and I said nothing.

20 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

If its not against the rules, can we see the playtime of other players? Where do i write in a request? I know a few important staffers play less than i did before i got banned for having commentary critical of alberyk.

Same way you ask arrow for info you use to make suggestions. And once more, this complaint is not about your ban, if you don't agree, go make a staff complaint over it.

21 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

My behavior being toxic. What a terrible thing to say. Pointing out abuse from a member of this community isn't toxic. 

I am unsure if it is irony or not. I don't think I ever insulted you in that complaint.

24 minutes ago, Marlon P. said:

This kind of snide belittlement of me reinforces that he engaged in retaliation. He continues to berate me and use secondhand excuss -- "its your behavior thats toxic not you" and then accusations that i am admin shopping. 

I am not berating you in any way.

[Garnascus]

On 08/09/2022 at 11:30, Marlon P. said:

Did alberyk violate the rules when sharing my playtime to the public?

Yah id say so. At least in spirit. 

I just dont see how he retaliated against you. The strike he issued you was not a reason for your ban.