Uberzweihander Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 BYOND Key: Uberzweihander Player Byond Key: Rusty Sh4ckleford Reason for complaint: Gloating, showboating, and being incredibly rude in OOC. (Note: I personally have no beef with their actions during the round IC: but. Gloating about it, antagonizing the players involved, and being a general ass is what has caused this complaint.) Approximate Date/Time:2015-08-15, 1:00 to 3:45 round, Extended-Custom.
Thundy Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Do you have logs or anything? Rusty is a long time player, thus this accusation being seemingly more serous.
Shadow Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 As a player I second that complaint because of the reasons stated above. Their OOC behaviour was quite rude but that's not the only thing. As a staff member I'll go and poke the admins for logs if needed.
Uberzweihander Posted August 15, 2015 Author Posted August 15, 2015 Unfortunately, I don't have the exact logs, since there have been several power shortages in my area and my computer's been going off an on for a bit. However, if anyone knows /how/ to recover logs from previous rounds, I would gladly volunteer my time to do so to back up my claim (if it is at all possible for a member to do so)
mirkoloio Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 Rusty's been antagonizing to Players the whole round. I got some screenshot where he's harrassing me just after that round over the BYOND Pager. It's been forwarded to the admins per AHelp as soon as it happened, but I think putting it up here into the complaint is something wich I should do. http://puu.sh/jCL3M.png
Rusty Shackleford Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 Huehuehuehuehue. All the actions I took during that round were in-character and made sense. The rest was just cause and effect. Mirk chose to take major offense because he "lost". He amassed a ballistic weapons stockpile, didn't even try to hide it from people. He got rekt by security. He got mad. Uber's character betrayed the security team to the mutineers. He tried to climb into escape by breaking windows while the HoS (me) watched. I shoot him into space with a carbine because my character saw several people die as a result of Uber's char's actions. He gets mad. I see you guys get mad. I decide to have fun with you, if something like this gets you mad. Hue.
Garnascus Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 Huehuehuehuehue. All the actions I took during that round were in-character and made sense. The rest was just cause and effect. Mirk chose to take major offense because he "lost". He amassed a ballistic weapons stockpile, didn't even try to hide it from people. He got rekt by security. He got mad. Uber's character betrayed the security team to the mutineers. He tried to climb into escape by breaking windows while the HoS (me) watched. I shoot him into space with a carbine because my character saw several people die as a result of Uber's char's actions. He gets mad. I see you guys get mad. I decide to have fun with you, if something like this gets you mad. Hue. It was explicitly stated the problem was with your OOC behavior, not what you did during the round, I haven't seen the full logs yet but after the Pm's to mirk im curious why you think that's acceptable.
Baka Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 Obviously I cannot dig into logs right now. When it's up I'll have a lookie loo.
Uberzweihander Posted August 16, 2015 Author Posted August 16, 2015 Huehuehuehuehue. All the actions I took during that round were in-character and made sense. The rest was just cause and effect. Mirk chose to take major offense because he "lost". He amassed a ballistic weapons stockpile, didn't even try to hide it from people. He got rekt by security. He got mad. Uber's character betrayed the security team to the mutineers. He tried to climb into escape by breaking windows while the HoS (me) watched. I shoot him into space with a carbine because my character saw several people die as a result of Uber's char's actions. He gets mad. I see you guys get mad. I decide to have fun with you, if something like this gets you mad. Hue. My character never went into space. o.o Mine actually was Roswell Fisher, the Cargo Tech that missed the security takedown on account of being blind from welding without a mask. The reason why I posted this complaint was because I saw your actions in the OOC as being rude and unnecessary. I actually never had IC interactions with much of the Security team, except during the end.
Guest Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 Rusty has a history of being an asshole, and a right foul one at that. (You know, he once banned me for stuffing him in a locker and locking it as antag for apparently doing something that was astray from my objective, I had to steal an EVA Jetpack, so I had to steal the Spare ID to access EVA, but thats besides the point and is just a fun little memory) In the Lore Team Chat, he has been kicked by Jackboot multiple times for being either rude or downright disgusting/inappropriate, and honestly I've never seen him be a nice person once. Also, I don't care who you are, you shouldn't fucking message someone after a round just to harass them for their failure in it. Fuck.Off. @Thundy, you are promoting elitism just by saying that.
Garnascus Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 @Thundy, you are promoting elitism just by saying that. Negative, long time players have no excuse to understand precisely the conduct we expect of players and as such cannot use any sort of excuse of being ignorant of rules/behavior expected. Im still curious why rusty is justifying his behavior with that post and blowing this off, it makes me wonder at his innoncence even without the logs.
Thundy Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 @Thundy, you are promoting elitism just by saying that. No. Read it again. Long term players know the rules, see other people get punished for them and know exactly what to expect from a punishment. If this was a complaint about someone who joined yesterday, we would punish then differently because they may not have known the rules.
Baka Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 Hi. I got the logs. I will post a few snippets here to read over. [15:31:34]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : Hue. Cry some more babies. I have IC justification. [15:33:06]OOC: Roswell Fisher/Uberzweihander : Rusty, just gotta say [15:33:10]OOC: Roswell Fisher/Uberzweihander : Kinda being a cunt [15:33:16]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : only "kinda"? [15:33:28]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : I'm always a cunt. [15:33:35]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : I'm surprised you didn't notice until now. [15:33:40]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : And nope! [15:33:56]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : I'm Cunty McCuntbag! [15:34:00]OOC: Jamison Stamos/Mirkoloio : Because sec will Rape the immershion and burn the RP [15:34:26]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : Mirk, you're just bein' a little bitch [15:34:31]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : Because you got rekt [15:34:34]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : For amassing weapons [15:36:08]OOC: Cristof Marmeladov/Rusty Sh4ckleford : MIrk, you were starting to assrape the event
Contextual Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Seems to me like Rusty is openly admitting to his disgusting OOC behavior. It also sounds like he expects to get away with it, because staff have had a history or saying "Oh, you!" and giving him a slap on the wrist, if that. I recall myself multiple times in the past where Rusty repeatedly pushed the boundaries of what is appropriate in OOC, singlehandedly causing the admins to mute it for a time. Can't blame him, though. It's not his fault the longstanding stance on his behavior is that he's just one of those good ol' boys.
Guest Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Seems to me like Rusty is openly admitting to his disgusting OOC behavior. It also sounds like he expects to get away with it, because staff have had a history or saying "Oh, you!" and giving him a slap on the wrist, if that. I recall myself multiple times in the past where Rusty repeatedly pushed the boundaries of what is appropriate in OOC, singlehandedly causing the admins to mute it for a time. Can't blame him, though. It's not his fault the longstanding stance on his behavior is that he's just one of those good ol' boys. This. We shouldn't have any sympathy for the old guard if they're going to be outright shitlers. If a long-time veteran of the community starts being an assclown to everyone they meet all of a sudden, they should be treated as if they were rulebreakers. This behavior isn't acceptable, at all, and is on-par with the arrogant shit I pulled a few months ago.
LordFowl Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 If he's being an assclown, he should certainly be punished for it. Just look at my record and you'll know deplorable OoC behavior shouldn't stand.
Frances Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 His history on the server shouldn't have anything to do with this, unless it's a history of either being very nice to people (in which case this should come as a surprise) or one of being a dick to people (in which case harsher punishment should be applied). When I look at these logs without attaching a name to them, what I see is someone being a little too salty in OOC. So yeah, that should be dealt with.
Guest Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 @Thundy, you are promoting elitism just by saying that. No. Read it again. Long term players know the rules, see other people get punished for them and know exactly what to expect from a punishment. If this was a complaint about someone who joined yesterday, we would punish then differently because they may not have known the rules. Ignorance is not an excuse to me excused from the rules. Both short-term and long-term player should be treated equally, both are expected to have read the rules, and brush up on them whenever they are updated.
Guest Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Plahunter got permabanned for repetitive bad behaviour, finally coming to a crescendo when he called another player a cunt in LOOC, I think Rusty is just as repetitive with rude behaviour as Pla was, and should be dealt with in roughly the same manner.
EvilBrage Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 The monster can't grow if you don't feed it. Far as I can see, Uberzweihander and Mirkoloio were probably asking for it by bringing things OOC in the first place - from what Baka's posted, I really don't see Rusty going out of his way to taunt someone who hasn't complained about the events of the round, only dishing out harsh words after the supposed victims brought their cases to the court of public opinion. Of course, I don't have the logs, but we should probably take a closer look at who initiated the conflict in order to determine who the instigator was. As far as the actual language itself, again - Uber and Mirk are the ones who start with the words "cunt" and "rape," unless there are earlier iterations that Baka hasn't shown. Let's not get into BYOND pagers either; enforcing a code of conduct outside the game starts a huge spiral that Aurora really doesn't need.
Guest Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 The monster can't grow if you don't feed it. Far as I can see, Uberzweihander and Mirkoloio were probably asking for it by bringing things OOC in the first place - from what Baka's posted, I really don't see Rusty going out of his way to taunt someone who hasn't complained about the events of the round, only dishing out harsh words after the supposed victims brought their cases to the court of public opinion. Of course, I don't have the logs, but we should probably take a closer look at who initiated the conflict in order to determine who the instigator was. As far as the actual language itself, again - Uber and Mirk are the ones who start with the words "cunt" and "rape," unless there are earlier iterations that Baka hasn't shown. Let's not get into BYOND pagers either; enforcing a code of conduct outside the game starts a huge spiral that Aurora really doesn't need. By your logic, we should unban LoneTopHat, who was banned for sending a dickpic via Pager to another player as well as harassing them.
Garnascus Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 By your logic, we should unban LoneTopHat, who was banned for sending a dickpic via Pager to another player as well as harassing them. I can understand his point of view, it can be a grey area when we start to enforce server policy further and further from the server, in this case i think Byond PMs are a reasonable extension and i really don't think its unreasonable conduct yourself appropriately in them.
Tenenza Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Harassing people is not a good thing. Making others feel bad for only your own self gratification is against the ideals of the server and the spirit of the rules. I personally won't tolerate it under any circumstances. And if it is done outside this server, I see little to no difference then if it had been done on server. It is merely a matter of your personal behavior and who you are. If you choose to be the person who harrasses and makes others feel bad for your own self gratification elsewhere, then why act different here?
Guest Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 The monster can't grow if you don't feed it. Far as I can see, Uberzweihander and Mirkoloio were probably asking for it by bringing things OOC in the first place - from what Baka's posted, I really don't see Rusty going out of his way to taunt someone who hasn't complained about the events of the round, only dishing out harsh words after the supposed victims brought their cases to the court of public opinion. Of course, I don't have the logs, but we should probably take a closer look at who initiated the conflict in order to determine who the instigator was. As far as the actual language itself, again - Uber and Mirk are the ones who start with the words "cunt" and "rape," unless there are earlier iterations that Baka hasn't shown. Let's not get into BYOND pagers either; enforcing a code of conduct outside the game starts a huge spiral that Aurora really doesn't need. This is actually important, because it explains the context here. Mirkoloio has an infamous reputation of bitching and whining when he doesn't get what he wants or just gets outrobusted for being an awful, overtly confrontational and aggressive antagonist. I don't know who this other guy is, but considering they threw around colorful words, I'd consider it fair to lump him with Mirkolio. Context is really important. On one hand, we had two unsportsmanlike children complaining about how their Mary Sues are in fact not as invincible as they initially believed, and two, there was a moment of provocation in which the person who has a complaint brought up against them, decided to snark back. So, honestly... You three (Rusty-uber-koloio) are all wrong, because you all reacted like immature brats in this scenario, and it'd be a surprise to me if you all weren't duly warned. Should we mandate prefaces and opening context for complaints? It would make the administration's job much easier.
Uberzweihander Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 This is actually important, because it explains the context here. Mirkoloio has an infamous reputation of bitching and whining when he doesn't get what he wants or just gets outrobusted for being an awful, overtly confrontational and aggressive antagonist. I don't know who this other guy is, but considering they threw around colorful words, I'd consider it fair to lump him with Mirkolio. Context is really important. On one hand, we had two unsportsmanlike children complaining about how their Mary Sues are in fact not as invincible as they initially believed, and two, there was a moment of provocation in which the person who has a complaint brought up against them, decided to snark back. So, honestly... You three (Rusty-uber-koloio) are all wrong, because you all reacted like immature brats in this scenario, and it'd be a surprise to me if you all weren't duly warned. Should we mandate prefaces and opening context for complaints? It would make the administration's job much easier. I've avoided coming in here to let things take its due course, but I think I should re-iterate something. My character was not involved with Rusty's in any way. So please... don't just assume I am playing a Mary Sue because I am complaining. Because I was not, and I do in fact dislike that we're throwing out names in this thread. In any case, I do apologize for using the word "cunt". That was rude of me, but I was fed up with Rusty's repeated showboating and gloating in the OOC chat at the end of the round.
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