Reyjakai Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Furry, I've got to point this out here. Your round was shut down by you when you decided to go into cryo instead of letting me deal with things IC, which I /did/ end up doing. I spent most of that round working with Internal Affairs and the AI to get the Captain dealt with ICly. Not to be too cynical here, but you probably should have stuck around a lot longer. I'd say the Captain actually ended up creating a lot of RP, even if they weren't apart of it. We had a lengthy discussion over comms for ~20 minutes about the issue before I decided that it needed to be dealt with.
Alberyk Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Pretty much you can deal with this using ic means, like duty officers, which seems to be working, mostly to the recent events and directives about them. About the character itself, besides ignoring the orders from Odin at the cult round or being a 28 years old captain (which don't fits the requirements to be employed at this role, but, pretty sure that Safiya is too younger for her role at genetics research, or other heads of staff that don't fill same requirements and no one seems to care about) or being a not so exemplar at its role, nothing really that wrong. But, I kinda agree that hindering people's work because of ic racism can be somewhat questionable, since, you are supposedly stopping research due to it If you are playing a non-human, you should expect different treatment from people. What is the purpose of playing a xeno if you wish people to treat you in the same way they would deal with humans. Few people are up to roleplay their characters prejudices, or even include them. Besides the fact that are few things on the lore that would give you reason to have some kind of racism against certain kind of aliens, besides the pure fact they are aliens.
Alberyk Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Pretty much you can deal with this using ic means, like duty officers, which seems to be working, mostly to the recent events and directives about them. About the character itself, besides ignoring the orders from Odin at the cult round or being a 28 years old captain (which don't fits the requirements to be employed at this role, but, pretty sure that Safiya is too younger for her role at genetics research, or other heads of staff that don't fill same requirements and no one seems to care about) or being a not so exemplar at its role, nothing really that wrong. But, I kinda agree that hindering people's work because of ic racism can be somewhat questionable, since, you are supposedly stopping research due to it If you are playing a non-human, you should expect different treatment from people. What is the purpose of playing a xeno if you wish people to treat you in the same way they would deal with humans. Few people are up to roleplay their characters prejudices, or even include them. Besides the fact that are few things on the lore that would give you reason to have some kind of racism against certain kind of aliens, besides the pure fact they are aliens.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Also I really do not understand how not being to inject powers into yourself and walk outside is shutting your round down. You could just not inject yourself with powers and keep it to the protohumans or setup some sort of test with RD approval.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Also I really do not understand how not being to inject powers into yourself and walk outside is shutting your round down. You could just not inject yourself with powers and keep it to the protohumans or setup some sort of test with RD approval.
Contextual Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I highly doubt it would have been handled or even noted had I not made such a ruckus. Â Nope. Wrong. That would be metagaming, using OOC knowledge, concerns, and whatnot to affect IC actions. Everything played out naturally in character, completely separate from your attempted hugboxing in this thread. All I'm seeing here is you claiming the inability to irradiate your own genome is ruining the game for you.
Contextual Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I highly doubt it would have been handled or even noted had I not made such a ruckus. Â Nope. Wrong. That would be metagaming, using OOC knowledge, concerns, and whatnot to affect IC actions. Everything played out naturally in character, completely separate from your attempted hugboxing in this thread. All I'm seeing here is you claiming the inability to irradiate your own genome is ruining the game for you.
LordFowl Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 For example, scientists aren't typically allowed to bring research material outside of the laboratory unless they have a specific test in mind. In fact, geneticists and roboticists are really the only two science roles that get to bring out their materials regularly (I suppose roboticist is more utility than science in this regards). While I'm not going to advocate a change in opinion towards geneticists on this thread, I support the idea that this doesn't 'shut down your round'. It just makes how you play your round different.
LordFowl Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 For example, scientists aren't typically allowed to bring research material outside of the laboratory unless they have a specific test in mind. In fact, geneticists and roboticists are really the only two science roles that get to bring out their materials regularly (I suppose roboticist is more utility than science in this regards). While I'm not going to advocate a change in opinion towards geneticists on this thread, I support the idea that this doesn't 'shut down your round'. It just makes how you play your round different.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Holy crap this thing exploded on my car ride home. Now, let me start by saying that this was a judgement call made by Chaznoodle's character. Judgement calls aren't really whitelist abuse; it's a sticky situation. It's better to try to keep these things IC due to the fact it's inherently easier to deal with IC judgement calls with IC reprimands. But since that's no longer possible, all I can do is established what is expected in these situations and the overall justification and allowance of racism. Now, Nanotrasen is the biggest corporation in the history of the known galaxy. Their motives are questionable and their methods are in many cases very objectionable. They are a human-based company, and almost all of the officials above the rank of Aurora staff are human or Skrell. I think I've seen one or two Tajaran ERT members, but they have been rare enough for me to let slide without worry of it become a fad. Official policy, now, is that racism is bad. Why would Nanotrasen say racism is bad? Because it has employees from all the major races and, as a corporation, needs a minimum of good will from the populations they've investing in to avoid their profits taking a hit. That leads to Chaznoodle's actions against Safiya. "I denied an employee the right to retain important research findings outside of the lab because members of her species were a security risk" is not a statement that would fly in any sort of hearing. You can't be so blatent as to paint and treat all of a race or species under one stroke. That's teir 1 tyranny and it's as transparent as it is counterproductive. If that was the intention, this Captain's judgement call was extremely poor. I reinforce the point that the NSS Aurora is a research station, so Command staff need a very good reason to shut down research requests that don't break regulations. "She's a cat and cats are bad right now." is absolutely not a reason to impede research. If Safiya herself was a security risk or the Captain felt she specifically was causing security issues, or that the research was too dangerous to let outside the lab during a security risk (kidnapped scientist; hulked out mutineers) then it becomes a question of whether or not the damage done to research operations was worth it. Blue alert or higher would obviously see standard operations being amended to deal with a security risk. Question: Was a fax sent to CC, or this issue brought up with IAA, HoP, RD, or literally anyone else before Safiya went into cryo? How long was the duration between "No you fucking cat meow somewhere else" and "Safiya has entered longterm storage."?
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Holy crap this thing exploded on my car ride home. Now, let me start by saying that this was a judgement call made by Chaznoodle's character. Judgement calls aren't really whitelist abuse; it's a sticky situation. It's better to try to keep these things IC due to the fact it's inherently easier to deal with IC judgement calls with IC reprimands. But since that's no longer possible, all I can do is established what is expected in these situations and the overall justification and allowance of racism. Now, Nanotrasen is the biggest corporation in the history of the known galaxy. Their motives are questionable and their methods are in many cases very objectionable. They are a human-based company, and almost all of the officials above the rank of Aurora staff are human or Skrell. I think I've seen one or two Tajaran ERT members, but they have been rare enough for me to let slide without worry of it become a fad. Official policy, now, is that racism is bad. Why would Nanotrasen say racism is bad? Because it has employees from all the major races and, as a corporation, needs a minimum of good will from the populations they've investing in to avoid their profits taking a hit. That leads to Chaznoodle's actions against Safiya. "I denied an employee the right to retain important research findings outside of the lab because members of her species were a security risk" is not a statement that would fly in any sort of hearing. You can't be so blatent as to paint and treat all of a race or species under one stroke. That's teir 1 tyranny and it's as transparent as it is counterproductive. If that was the intention, this Captain's judgement call was extremely poor. I reinforce the point that the NSS Aurora is a research station, so Command staff need a very good reason to shut down research requests that don't break regulations. "She's a cat and cats are bad right now." is absolutely not a reason to impede research. If Safiya herself was a security risk or the Captain felt she specifically was causing security issues, or that the research was too dangerous to let outside the lab during a security risk (kidnapped scientist; hulked out mutineers) then it becomes a question of whether or not the damage done to research operations was worth it. Blue alert or higher would obviously see standard operations being amended to deal with a security risk. Question: Was a fax sent to CC, or this issue brought up with IAA, HoP, RD, or literally anyone else before Safiya went into cryo? How long was the duration between "No you fucking cat meow somewhere else" and "Safiya has entered longterm storage."?
Baka Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 From what I have seen of the complaint, this is an IC issue. The act of their racism, while not agreeable with some player, is one not exactly unheard of. With this line of logic, we should be punishing Tajaran players for calling humans stupid apes and dumb hairless monkeys, and doing things against humans that can hinder one's work. This is something that should be dealt with ICly, with the use of duty officers, not something deserving of OOC intervention. No baka, because tajara (unless they are whitelisted) can’t shut down an entire persons round by calling them an ape. This became an ooc issue when the player abused his whitelist to shut down a players game under the guise of racism. The racism is not the actual issue here.  Anyone is capable of fucking over someone's day, Furry. Species knows no bounds to this.
Baka Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 From what I have seen of the complaint, this is an IC issue. The act of their racism, while not agreeable with some player, is one not exactly unheard of. With this line of logic, we should be punishing Tajaran players for calling humans stupid apes and dumb hairless monkeys, and doing things against humans that can hinder one's work. This is something that should be dealt with ICly, with the use of duty officers, not something deserving of OOC intervention. No baka, because tajara (unless they are whitelisted) can’t shut down an entire persons round by calling them an ape. This became an ooc issue when the player abused his whitelist to shut down a players game under the guise of racism. The racism is not the actual issue here.  Anyone is capable of fucking over someone's day, Furry. Species knows no bounds to this.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 This thread is going so fast. I suggest we all stop asap and allow the two involved + staff to get a word in. I'm not reading all 5 pages myself I know that for sure. Or, since a Tajaran is involved. Fur sure.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 This thread is going so fast. I suggest we all stop asap and allow the two involved + staff to get a word in. I'm not reading all 5 pages myself I know that for sure. Or, since a Tajaran is involved. Fur sure.
Contextual Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I was one of the duty officers receiving faxes from the IAA about the incident. The investigation was sparked by Nasir Ha'kim and Katelynn McMullen. As far as I could tell, Safiya Isra took no steps to appeal through the IAA, instead going to cryo and making a player complaint.
Contextual Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I was one of the duty officers receiving faxes from the IAA about the incident. The investigation was sparked by Nasir Ha'kim and Katelynn McMullen. As far as I could tell, Safiya Isra took no steps to appeal through the IAA, instead going to cryo and making a player complaint.
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) I was one of the duty officers receiving faxes from the IAA about the incident. The investigation was sparked by Nasir Ha'kim and Katelynn McMullen. As far as I could tell, Safiya Isra took no steps to appeal through the IAA, instead going to cryo and making a player complaint. *edit* as I said, at the time I had no other options, kate told me she wasn't gona investigate and i just had to wait till the shift was over. and we had no IA. so that left me wtih empty bar rp, tiny box rp, or cryo. it wasn't till i was complaining and nasir heard about it did shit start happening. Edited September 14, 2015 by Guest
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) I was one of the duty officers receiving faxes from the IAA about the incident. The investigation was sparked by Nasir Ha'kim and Katelynn McMullen. As far as I could tell, Safiya Isra took no steps to appeal through the IAA, instead going to cryo and making a player complaint. *edit* as I said, at the time I had no other options, kate told me she wasn't gona investigate and i just had to wait till the shift was over. and we had no IA. so that left me wtih empty bar rp, tiny box rp, or cryo. it wasn't till i was complaining and nasir heard about it did shit start happening. Edited September 14, 2015 by Guest
Contextual Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 ...it wasn't till i made the complaint and nightmare heard about it did shit start happening. Â Are you accusing Nightmare of metagaming? This is why complaints are not to be posted until the round in question is over.
Contextual Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 ...it wasn't till i made the complaint and nightmare heard about it did shit start happening. Â Are you accusing Nightmare of metagaming? This is why complaints are not to be posted until the round in question is over.
Guest Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I'm very tired and just read the whole thread, at the current state I only have 2 things to say  it wasn't till i made the complaint and nightmare heard about it did shit start happening. Furry with what you said there you broke the forum and complaint rules. http://puu.sh/kaEZJ/f00e4492ac.png Chaz is currently banned from the forums so they are unable to defend themself right here at this moment, so everyone stop and wait for administration staff to say something.
Guest Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I'm very tired and just read the whole thread, at the current state I only have 2 things to say  it wasn't till i made the complaint and nightmare heard about it did shit start happening. Furry with what you said there you broke the forum and complaint rules. http://puu.sh/kaEZJ/f00e4492ac.png Chaz is currently banned from the forums so they are unable to defend themself right here at this moment, so everyone stop and wait for administration staff to say something.
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 I'm very tired and just read the whole thread, at the current state I only have 2 things to say it wasn't till i made the complaint and nightmare heard about it did shit start happening. Furry with what you said there you broke the forum and complaint rules. http://puu.sh/kaEZJ/f00e4492ac.png Chaz is currently banned from the forums so they are unable to defend themself right here at this moment, so everyone stop and wait for administration staff to say something. wow lets get that out of the way real quick, it wasnt till 'nasir' heard about it (how i've no idea) that anything happend. how bout we not put words in my mouth. my point was at the time /i/ had no other options or avanues to rp. nasir being a more popular and liked charater is more likely to be listened to and when he started making his complaint icly thats what sparked the investigation (from what i understand) 8edit* i was also advised to make a complaint sooner rather than later. or atleast thats what was implied.
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 I'm very tired and just read the whole thread, at the current state I only have 2 things to say it wasn't till i made the complaint and nightmare heard about it did shit start happening. Furry with what you said there you broke the forum and complaint rules. http://puu.sh/kaEZJ/f00e4492ac.png Chaz is currently banned from the forums so they are unable to defend themself right here at this moment, so everyone stop and wait for administration staff to say something. wow lets get that out of the way real quick, it wasnt till 'nasir' heard about it (how i've no idea) that anything happend. how bout we not put words in my mouth. my point was at the time /i/ had no other options or avanues to rp. nasir being a more popular and liked charater is more likely to be listened to and when he started making his complaint icly thats what sparked the investigation (from what i understand) 8edit* i was also advised to make a complaint sooner rather than later. or atleast thats what was implied.
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