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BYOND Key: Voyd2000

Player Byond Key: Don't know. In game IPC player named Zairjah

Staff involved: None/no Did ask for RP outcome, got no reply.

Reason for complaint:


Just a quick complaint about this player chuckle fucking and feeding people brains, this is truly unacceptable for a whitelisted player.


Zairjah attempts to feed Kanza Al'Falak the brain.

Katelynn Mcmullen shakes Elijah Ehrlichmann trying to wake him up!

Katelynn Mcmullen shakes Elijah Ehrlichmann trying to wake him up!

Zairjah feeds Kanza Al'Falak the brain.


Approximate Date/Time: Round of ~7:15p.m. Sunday, 18 October 2015. EST

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So, after a quite hectic round with staff of change, I come in possession of a brain as roboticist, and while at the shuttle, I try to find out how to make organs edible. After finding out this wonderfull mechanic, I feed it once to the tajaran, which was mean to be a small joke, since, I was trying to test a mechanic ingame, besides it was in the shuttle.


I mean, I do see people making small jokes and silly thing in game, like putting papers named plastic explosives on others, or hitting windows with papers labelled revolvers and etc, or changing names of certain foods and feeding them to people, or random tablings and whispers with jokes and etc. I remember once, when Meow hide inside a locker waiting for Doomberg to walk by and peppersprayed him.


So, I am really sorry if this character in particular is not 100% srs business, or that I am not always serious during my rp. I don't still see how feeding someone an organ once in the end of round, which can be filled with a lot of non-sense icly, like people spinning or making jokes, can be called truly unacceptable for a whitelisted player.


Besides, making a player complaint about this inccident, just seems to be an overkill. As well, it seems that you didn't ahelp it it at all. And as staff said about the subject on complaints in other topic;

 

The most classic complaints of player complaints revolve around actions over a prolonged length of time (let's say, a player's conduct being constantly shit), a series of borderline cases, situations that you weren't originally sure about, but in retrospect, wish evaluated. Obviously, also cases where no staff received the adminhelp.

 

I don't see how this single act is worthy of a player complaint.

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Yeah this complaint is a bit nit picky if I'm being totally honest. I would have to perma ban half the server if one small instance like this was "truly unacceptable".


Yes we are a high role-play server but at the end of the day this is a game and we are here to have fun. Forcing our players into a 100% super serious workplace all the time isn't what I think is healthy for the server.

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Telling a joke is words, Spin in your seat is your choice you look stupid, two admins/mods chuckle fucking with each other? go nuts. Force feeding people brains not the same.


It's fine if you want to defend your buddy in this case but I draw the line at being force fed internal organs for no reason other than "Testing stuff lolz"


The round wasn't over, nor was it over for me. I was RPing and still talking with people only to suddenly have a brain shoved in my face. A random human baldie maybe I can let it go, a noob to the server maybe forgive it, but a whitelister? I guess I tend to expect more from said players. I stand by my statement and will say it again, this is truly unacceptable for a whitelisted player.

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this is truly unacceptable for a whitelisted player.

As the holder of a whitelist ban following a similar incident, I can confirm that all forms of chucklefucking and joking around while on a whitelisted species/role are wholly unacceptable, and should be strictly reserved for bald, human assistants.

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Guest Marlon Phoenix
I.. actually think this is well within the bounds of an IPC.



The short explanation is this: IPCs just don't understand what is taboo and what is not taboo for humanity/tajarans/unathi/ents/birdman

 

No, it's not acceptable because it's an IPC.


It's not supposed to be acceptable. However, it's the rule we don't enforce because we wind down at the end of the round. There wasn't any bad intentions behind it; FilthyFrankster didn't do it to chucklefuck.


I myself have whispered movie quotes or played "catch the flashbang" in the shuttle, so I would also need to be whitelist stripped.


What is best is that, since our allowing EoR behavior to slip has finally caused a complaint, we decide to uphold the standards and punish additional infractions.


But that's up to the administration.

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The major issue would be Alber did it to somebody that wasn't willing. It's one thing to have a bit of fourth-wall ruining with somebody you know, it's another to walk up to somebody random and to force a brain down their mouth.


While this isn't that /bad/ of an incident, I suppose the only issue would be that. Since this didn't really destroy the round, or grossly violate your ability to play on the server, I really don't understand the point of this complaint.

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Telling a joke is words, Spin in your seat is your choice you look stupid, two admins/mods chuckle fucking with each other? go nuts. Force feeding people brains not the same.


It's fine if you want to defend your buddy in this case but I draw the line at being force fed internal organs for no reason other than "Testing stuff lolz"


The round wasn't over, nor was it over for me. I was RPing and still talking with people only to suddenly have a brain shoved in my face. A random human baldie maybe I can let it go, a noob to the server maybe forgive it, but a whitelister? I guess I tend to expect more from said players. I stand by my statement and will say it again, this is truly unacceptable for a whitelisted player.

 

Alberyk isn't my buddy, nor would it affect my defending him if he was. This is not even close to as big a deal you are making it to be, plain and simple. It would be one thing if this character did this a whole bunch through multiple rounds but as it stands you are making a complaint over him doing it once.


This also seems to me like it could have been solved a whole lot easier if you tried saying in LOOC something along the lines of "hey man I know you"re joking but I'm still roleplayin here" or if is been on i would have tried to reason some sort amicable solution for you both.

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This isn't they first time they've done something like. A while back they somehow managed to emag a cleaning bot during an extended round so he could roll around in the viscera. Then when my Unathi RD told him him to dismantle it and clean the robotics lab, he remade the bot and named it "Ligger," and then blamed it on the other roboticist who was demoted earlier in the round.

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This isn't they first time they've done something like. A while back they somehow managed to emag a cleaning bot during an extended round so he could roll around in the viscera. Then when my Unathi RD told him him to dismantle it and clean the robotics lab, he remade the bot and named it "Ligger," and then blamed it on the other roboticist who was demoted earlier in the round.

 

I could clearly argue that it is an ic issue, besides, I don't think the other roboticist was demoted because of a clean bot, but rather trying to build a gygax and etc. Still, if people see it as such a game breaking problem, why not ahelp it?

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This isn't they first time they've done something like. A while back they somehow managed to emag a cleaning bot during an extended round so he could roll around in the viscera. Then when my Unathi RD told him him to dismantle it and clean the robotics lab, he remade the bot and named it "Ligger," and then blamed it on the other roboticist who was demoted earlier in the round.

 

I could clearly argue that it is an ic issue, besides, I don't think the other roboticist was demoted because of a clean bot, but rather trying to build a gygax and etc. Still, if people see it as such a game breaking problem, why not ahelp it?

 

because this game clearly isn't fun without some sort of drama or conflict

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There's an old saying, Choose your battles wisely, And I think I choose poorly, For one the player behind this char is well known and likely has many people ready to jump on a metaphoric grenade to defend him.


I need to take a step back and better analyze given situations in the gamespace, Figure out who's who OOC and accept that some people will have favor over others for whatever reasons.


I came from a server that had higher standards on it's whitelisted people and maybe that's the issue, I'm in a new play space and I still have a lot of learn about the people and OOC relationships people have around me.


I still stand by my statement of such actions being truly unacceptable for a whitelisted player. However I also understand now that this is not the same play space I came from and that maybe it's the wrong statement for this server and its whitelisted players.


I have no ground to stand on and I'm the new guy here, It was a mistake to put myself out like this and complain about a community standard that I know little about, even more so when it's a far more established player than myself, But if the bar is going to be set so low for white listers I'd rather be the who tried to hold it up vs the one who takes it lower, If that leads to meta hate in the gamespace, so be it.

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There's an old saying, Choose your battles wisely, And I think I choose poorly, For one the player behind this char is well known and likely has many people ready to jump on a metaphoric grenade to defend him.


I need to take a step back and better analyze given situations in the gamespace, Figure out who's who OOC and accept that some people will have favor over others for whatever reasons.


I came from a server that had higher standards on it's whitelisted people and maybe that's the issue, I'm in a new play space and I still have a lot of learn about the people and OOC relationships people have around me.


I still stand by my statement of such actions being truly unacceptable for a whitelisted player. However I also understand now that this is not the same play space I came from and that maybe it's the wrong statement for this server and its whitelisted players.


I have no ground to stand on and I'm the new guy here, It was a mistake to put myself out like this and complain about a community standard that I know little about, even more so when it's a far more established player than myself, But if the bar is going to be set so low for white listers I'd rather be the who tried to hold it up vs the one who takes it lower, If that leads to meta hate in the gamespace, so be it.

 

do not even try to paint this like we are playing favorites here.


You made a CHARACTER COMPLAINT with evidence of a /single instance/ of screwing around. what do you want us to do? crucify him? strip him of his whitelist? we dont just hand those punishments out willy nilly. ive said here that this issue would have been much better handled by asking nicely in LOOC for him to stop while you are still roleplaying. Or if i had seen it i would have asked alberyk to not do that to others still RPin as it can be kinda immersion breaking.

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There's an old saying, Choose your battles wisely, And I think I choose poorly, For one the player behind this char is well known and likely has many people ready to jump on a metaphoric grenade to defend him.

I, for one, have no idea who the heck either of you are. I'm fairly certain most people in this thread are defending this issue based on server culture, but not on popularity. And either way, popularity isn't something that matters in these situations - opinions should be considered for the value they hold, not for the names attached to them (and I'm pretty sure admins try to be impartial when making their final decisions - they've often gone against the popular opinion in the past, when it didn't reflect the set mentality of the server.)


Anyway, one thing I'd like to draw attention to (and that I might've wrongly explained in my first post as it didn't draw much attention) is that I don't think issues like these relate to a whitelist.


Whitelists, in their essence, are there to make sure that the people who play these species have a general idea of their lore, and the way they work. If someone makes an OOC prank and you have an issue with that, it should probably be treated as a player-to-player incident, because it hardly relates to that player's ability to roleplay as an IPC. (Besides, I often see IPC players instigate situations that would be funny in an OOC way because of the species' general lack of inhibitions and human social norms.)


(And yeah, in the end, if somebody is joking around and it bothers you because it's messing with your character, the easiest way to solve that problem would be to ask them to stop in LOOC. If they continued messing with you after that they'd clearly be in the wrong and you'd have grounds for a complaint, but the purpose of complaints is to solve issues and make sure everybody gets along, no?)

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There's an old saying, Choose your battles wisely, And I think I choose poorly, For one the player behind this char is well known and likely has many people ready to jump on a metaphoric grenade to defend him.


I need to take a step back and better analyze given situations in the gamespace, Figure out who's who OOC and accept that some people will have favor over others for whatever reasons.


I came from a server that had higher standards on it's whitelisted people and maybe that's the issue, I'm in a new play space and I still have a lot of learn about the people and OOC relationships people have around me.


I still stand by my statement of such actions being truly unacceptable for a whitelisted player. However I also understand now that this is not the same play space I came from and that maybe it's the wrong statement for this server and its whitelisted players.


I have no ground to stand on and I'm the new guy here, It was a mistake to put myself out like this and complain about a community standard that I know little about, even more so when it's a far more established player than myself, But if the bar is going to be set so low for white listers I'd rather be the who tried to hold it up vs the one who takes it lower, If that leads to meta hate in the gamespace, so be it.

 

do not even try to paint this like we are playing favorites here.


You made a CHARACTER COMPLAINT with evidence of a /single instance/ of screwing around. what do you want us to do? crucify him? strip him of his whitelist? we dont just hand those punishments out willy nilly. ive said here that this issue would have been much better handled by asking nicely in LOOC for him to stop while you are still roleplaying. Or if i had seen it i would have asked alberyk to not do that to others still RPin as it can be kinda immersion breaking.

 


I believe all he wants is that snowflakes should be judged like regular players(remember sue right, ok), if Alberyk would've welderbombed entire security/medbay as a cultist with ghost manifest, take this as example, no roleplay, outright aloha snackbaring and ganking. We'd agree with antagbanning him, if this was the case, right?(some people done this before, ahelps were sent, not much of replies:/ )

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I see that claims of favoritism are nothing but null. I am pretty sure that I am bwoinked and smacked as much as anyone else. I do see people that are veteran players being punished as well, I believe that the staff do their best to deal with people with much equality as possible, if anyone thinks otherwise, staff complaints are a thing. So, yeah, I don't think I get away if I do wrong.


Besides, if you have any problem in game, why not speak using looc or just ahelp? The author of the complaint did neither, why then just jump to a whole topic about a single incident?

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Guest Marlon Phoenix
There's an old saying, Choose your battles wisely, And I think I choose poorly, For one the player behind this char is well known and likely has many people ready to jump on a metaphoric grenade to defend him.

 

I just mixed up the players of the lizards (Filthfrankster instead of Alberyk) and said the behavior isn't acceptable be technicality of the rules. No one is playing favorites here. If this was a constant thing, he'd be punished. But this was a single incident, and you didn't ahelp it. What do you want done?

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I cannot believe you all are just letting this slide.


Aurora is supposed to be a heavy roleplaying server; I fail to grasp how behavior like this is acceptable. Need I remind you that newer players have been banned or penalized for similar 'lel its round end lemme do something stupid' behavior, like the ERT agent who C4'd the admin armory just before the round ended so he could check it out. The fact of the matter is that you need and should remain IC until the next round begins. Literally, are you incapable of maintaining character for like three minutes while the game winds down?


Plus, this isn't the first instance of Alberyk chucklefucking; nor is it the first time he's skirted the rules. I can specifically remember a round in the last week or so - I can't check, as I'm at college - where he brought M'rychny Lyar to maintenance and beheaded him in the last few moments of the round because he wanted to. Because he was the antagonist.


It's not about whitelisted players behind held to higher standards. It's about the fucking quality level of roleplay you want on this server. Signature is relevant.


We're heavy roleplay. We're not goon. If you want to feed people brains and cut their butts off go there.

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Sue, I'm almost certain, the major uproar people have over this complaint isn't that it was a minor issue. It's that it wasn't ahelped when it happened. Admins can hold the round over and let shit get figured when people are in-game. Instead it was taken to the forums over what in honesty is a really minimal issue. Something that could have been handled through a simple ahelp.

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Sue, I'm almost certain, the major uproar people have over this complaint isn't that it was a minor issue. It's that it wasn't ahelped when it happened. Admins can hold the round over and let shit get figured when people are in-game. Instead it was taken to the forums over what in honesty is a really minimal issue. Something that could have been handled through a simple ahelp.

 

I did a-help but it was not in a context of a crying child to mom and dad screaming GRIF GRIF He hit me!, it was along the lines of "Can you make Kanza puke, I was just force fed brains by a chuckle fuck" so yes, I did a-help almost as soon as I noticed what had happened. However it was seeking an RP outcome, I got no reply to, or actions taken based on said ahelp(Kanza never puked) so let's put the "Never a-helped" to bed. as it even says in the report "Asked for RP outcome but got no reply"

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Only an admin would have had the power to do that for you, mods cant. either an admin didn't notice the ahelp or there wasn't one on at the time. Also ahelping for help with RP isnt even close to ahelping about a problem you had with the player doing it in the first place. If you had ahelped that you werent happy with what alberyk had done to you then we might have been able to go from their.

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