Opinions on the Clown/Wrestler NukeOps from this morning

[FluffyBirb]

What did you think of the change of pace? Did you have fun? Do you think it broke the atmosphere?

I'm just asking everyone's opinions because I personally feel that there should be some change of pace in game mods, so they don't always follow the general same pattern. What do you all think? I'm just curious :3

[Garnascus]

The cringiest part about it was the uproar against it, my thing is that yeah we are a high roleplay server but silly rounds like this every now and then are fine. I just don't think its that big a deal and I don't have a particularly strong opinion either way. It would be one thing if antags or nuke ops consistently did this i agree but.... I think its unreasonable to pretend we all would had more fun if the new cops bombed the armory/the bridge/cargo and then... Shot security/ERT.

[Frances]

Pretty much my opinion as well. Sadly I didn't get to observe the entirety of the round, but this really goes to show there's always going to be some form of outcry against anything that isn't "super-srs".

[Guest]

I thought it was fun, despite not observing until the last part of the round. I think it's quite depressing to see certain attitudes pop up that quite honestly just boil down to "I don't like the thing, please don't do it again", when there was nothing especially wrong with what the antagonists of the round even did.

Granted, the particulars that piped up and said "i didn't like it" were basically the same people who responded to the nuke ops in borderline meta/powergamey ways, and they got stomped to the curb for it. So you have to take a biased perspective with a grain of salt.

I think the lesson that needs to be learned about this is that folks need to understand that the state of antagonists and roleplay is not going to be always catering to them. You get the hand you are dealt and then the game goes on, with or without you. Hell, a game of dejarik is not played without pawns. Some pieces on the board may not even move or be involved at all, but their very presence makes them important in the grand scheme of things nonetheless.

The round was 8/10 from what I saw, I imagine it could've escalated differently with a few unpredictable factors mixed in, but that could be said for just about anything. You and everybody else did well.

[Guest]

Sorry for the double post Frances, but I think the rule is that people will always find something to whine about. Just how it is.

[Killerhurtz]

My opinion is pretty much the same. It was all fun and games until glass and people started breaking.

[hivefleetchicken]

Nuke ops only carried shields and prop melee weapons to the station but we're greeted with flash bangs and riot gear when entering an airlock and announcing their arrival as very lost space wrestlers.

[hivefleetchicken]

Nuke ops only carried shields and prop melee weapons to the station but were greeted with flash bangs and riot gear when entering an airlock and announcing their arrival as very lost space wrestlers.

[EvilBrage]

It didn't just break the atmosphere. It took a dump on it.

You didn't show up in wrestling masks with your brightly colored jumpsuits rolled down after a brief foray with the station's security forces about holding a wrestling tournament. You showed up with military-grade syndicate masks and tossed on clown outfits and xeno robes while quoting the John Cena prank call with "GWE" instead of "WWE" and expected everyone to go along with it because look how goofy and funny we are. Unannounced visitors arrive on secure research station and start babbling nonsense without warning, crew responds by subduing and capturing intruders, and then someone called a shuttle because the "armed with prop weapons" wrestlers set off a bomb. The entire round was over within 20 minutes of their arrival and absolutely nothing of substance happened.

Honestly, how did you think this was going to go? Hell, there's nothing wrong with being silly, but there are literally dozens of other servers that do this sort of thing on the regular. Go there when you want to be silly, come here when you want to be serious, but don't use the "if this happened all the time we wouldn't allow it" excuse. We have to set standards that are very clear; how often is too often, exactly? You either allow it, or don't allow it - because when you ping someone for doing it, they're going to come right back and say you've allowed it before - and they're right for pointing it out.

That's administration 101, guys - if this kind of nonsense is acceptable, you're setting a bad precedent for any chucklefuck who walks in.

[Garnascus]

I actually will use "if it happened all the time" excuse. I am, and this community is intelligent to know where the line is. The same reasoning I use to justify the thunderdome that happened a while ago. Its actually fairly easy...

I think, its healthy to have the atmosphere "dumped on" as you put it. At least every now and then.

[Frances]

Some players' discontent seems to come from the idea that "non-serious roleplay robs the server of high-quality, serious roleplay we already have so little of".

No. It doesn't. If most of the rounds are bland, average and unremarkable (or even bad by some's standards), then people taking an occasional round to goof off (especially when they're the round's antagonists) is unlikely to eat into much of high quality.

There's a limited number of rounds, yes. But when 80% of the rounds are average, you don't turn to squashing the 10% of variety you don't like. You find opportunities to turn more of the remaining 80% into great.

[EvilBrage]

Some people think it's great fun to release the singularity, or to unload a plasma canister in a hallway. I suppose this makes a round "less bland" as well, then? Oh, but I wasn't being serious, it's funny to watch people keel over and vomit and die! And bombs on the escape shuttle? Hilaaaarious! I think I'm going to play my head of security and order the entire force to wear swimsuits instead of their uniforms. Doesn't this sound like such a quirky and fun way to spice up the round? EEEEEE!

I hope more administrators will chime in here, because if this is acceptable, then my years here have clearly given me the wrong impression of this server.

[Frances]

Some people think it's great fun to release the singularity, or to unload a plasma canister in a hallway. I suppose this makes a round "less bland" as well, then? Oh, but I wasn't being serious, it's funny to watch people keel over and vomit and die! And bombs on the escape shuttle? Hilaaaarious! I think I'm going to play my head of security and order the entire force to wear swimsuits instead of their uniforms. Doesn't this sound like such a quirky and fun way to spice up the round? EEEEEE!

I hope more administrators will chime in here, because if this is acceptable, then my years here have clearly given me the wrong impression of this server.

Because playing a round for comedy = literally grief.

ayyyy strawman arguments

[EvilBrage]

Who's to define grief, though? I thought it was pretty funny - and since it was funny, it's completely okay!

[Garnascus]

Hello there! I define grief, as well as my fellow team. Releasing the singularity and atmos meddling is grief. I have banned quite a few people for it. These tongue in cheek arguments aren't really helping.....

[Carver]

I want to see a return of these lads when the new map comes, and the Baycode merge means you can then pin your opponents in melee.

[Garnascus]

Maybe it would help the discussion if some logs got posted? It would help if we could figure out where the problem started (if any).

[canon35]

What's with everyone's issue here? Having a funny round every now and again is fine, but having silly antags over and over again can get tiring. I see this as a great one time thing and hope it doesn't get re-used constantly and constantly.

[Garnascus]

What's with everyone's issue here? Having a funny round every now and again is fine, but having silly antags over and over again can get tiring. I see this as a great one time thing and hope it doesn't get re-used constantly and constantly.

 

Granted I wasn't really paying attention during this round when it happened but... I only recall about three players tops who where angry about it, including evilbrage. I feel like the majority understand exactly what you posted here.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

people did a thing that i dont like, aurora is dead my immersions are dead rp is fucking dead

[Guest]

remember several months ago when we found ourselves disagreeing with tainavaa

hooooo man.

[EvilBrage]

Having a funny round every now and again is fine, but having silly antags over and over again can get tiring. I see this as a great one time thing and hope it doesn't get re-used constantly and constantly.

 

Except anyone who wants to do something like this will have a precedent set by the administration's failure to react to this incident - which means they can't be punished for doing it without setting a double standard. Which means it won't stop. See where I'm going with this? Allowing this sort of thing once opens the floodgates for everyone who's ever wanted to do it, and they're completely within their rights to follow through. "Humorous" as it was to some of you, that's how servers devolve from serious to, well, most of the other servers you see out there.

What's the difference between this and the greasers we had running around a year ago or so? We 'enjoyed' that, but ultimately the administration had to put their foot down, and that's my point.

I may secretly judge those of you who liked the round, but I'm not bashing you - it's not your fault you're ridiculous. I'm bashing Garnascus and Killhurtz for failing to understand the consequences of inaction in a circumstance like this. I'm not new to this kind of thing, so you can take me for my word on this and see how it turns out.

[rrrrrr]

The consequences of this round are far reaching and pervasive, even today. I simply cannot play on Aurora without getting Stone Cold Stunned by a clown.

[Garnascus]

See there's a bit of a problem with your precedent and slippery slope argument. We do not moderate or punish on IFS and this is also not exactly a democracy. I know when it goes too far, I know when players do silly stuff too much. I bwoink them and politely tell them to stop.

Its that simple, really. There isn't an argument when I tell you to stop something in PMs, no calling on "precedent" is not going to help. I know where the line is and when players cross it i punish/tell them to stop. You're making a whole lot out of a very very easily handled issue.

[Frances]

I think what Brage is saying is that this will encourage players to toe farther with the chucklefucking/silly RP line. Which, it might. But when it does, I can confirm the staff are actually there to push back.

The very vocal ranting of a select few people is also doing an efficient job at ensuring not too many people try to break the norm too often.