Staff Complaint - Garnascus

[Garnascus]

I'm sorry, Skull.

You're completely and utterly full of shit, as is Garnascus for thinking this to be 'valid'.

What overarching RP, Skull? What literal overarching RP? We died, Medical cloned us within ten minutes and not too long after that we hoarded them about and shoved them into prison when it was made painfully obvious they were the only ones who could have killed us, anyway. They interacted with no one else. There was no grand plan, no advanced roleplay. It's the same fucking shit every god damn Changeling ever does when they get arrested because we can't valid them since they regenerate.

Sit there, bucklecuffed, entirely disregarding any roleplay or pain and spam hallucinogen stings or voice transformation. In this case, that's exactly what happened. They didn't do a single fucking interesting or unique thing. It is the same shit from every Changeling round. Research wasn't involved. Medical was only barely involved. There was no in-depth scenarios created by this. It was just them being chucklefucks and murderboning because they could.

And don't you dare pin this on security. I'm sorry for actually trying to include people in roleplay, unlike some people. But I forgot in my absence from Aurora we've devolved into Goonstation-tier roleplay standards, so I don't know what I expected. In the future, Garnascus, I'll make sure to treat everyone as if they're an antag and shove them out of any roleplay and scene because they'll valid me sooner or later. Thank you for clearing this entire situation up for me. I know my folly was expecting sporting behavior from my fellow players; instead, I must assume they're all TG-reject mongoloids and treat them as such.

I've seen the error of my ways.

Edit: I'd also like to point out the lings were going to space-cleaner up all the blood, disabled our sensors purposely and were going to stuff us in some fuck-off closet so we'd never be found.

 

If he simply hides all the corpses and only slurps on them for the victory points, then it's gank and shit roleplay.

 

You dont have to assume everyones going to valid you at any moment but not taking a few precautions to at least even the playing field a bit isnt anyone's fault but yours. Only ten minutes? i thought it was a lot longer than that honestly. Personally i wouldnt mind borrowing a page out of skull's book and having a bash on this among staff to establish some clear consensus around ambushes. If aurora is such a shit hole and RP is fucking dead you dont have to keep coming back yah know.

[Dreamix]

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You don't have to assume everyone's going to valid you at any moment but not taking a few precautions to at least even the playing field a bit isn't anyone's fault but yours. Only ten minutes? i thought it was a lot longer than that honestly. Personally i wouldnt mind borrowing a page out of skull's book and having a bash on this among staff to establish some clear consensus around ambushes. If aurora is such a shit hole and RP is fucking dead you don't have to keep coming back you know.

Nah, they have to sustain the position of lore writer by an illusion of activity. I don't know about you, but usually when I'm playing, the HRP happens. I'm having fun, yes.

Besides, if only some security "roleplay" of catching and containing the antagonists was a result of these deaths, perhaps that wasn't the best use of antagonist's abilities and the overall role? I wasn't there, but it really seems like it was a misuse of the antagonist role (as I said, I wasn't really there, playing that round).

Also, an assassination probably isn't a gank, and that's what we already know. And no matter how many minutes of "roleplay" happened before the death, the outcome is still the same. You're still dead, only that with a few redundant say's.

[Chaznoodles]

Can we just forum ban Sue for the duration of this thread to stop her spewing hate? This happens in pretty much every thread it gets involved in, they state their horrific opinions as fact and insult everyone who disagrees.

On a different note, it does seem like you have a huge grudge against Garn, for no clear reason that I can see.

Ps this thread is like a hundred levels of fuckin dumb, grow some manballs and remember this is just a game

[Guest]

this is the 11th complaint against garnascus hrk

 

Warning me for EOR Grief, for roleplaying a beating of a prisoner who had murdered myself earlier and was being a problem, because it occurred on the shuttle, and after allowing said person to get away with what was basically gank as a ling, and saying it was completely fine.

 

Didn't ban you when he could have. Why are you beating people -- on the shuttle, no less? Why is it suddenly okay for officers to completely forget their training and go all-out Stasi when an antag (a cuffed and buckled prisoner that was in the shuttle brig, no?) suddenly becomes valid enough to warrant beating.

No, a changeling killing you earlier on in the round does not justify it. Clone Memory Disorder would prevent you from even remotely recalling the circumstances surrounding your death, if not forgetting more than that.

 

What occurred here was that Security was called to a crime scene involving a dead officer. I, respond, along with the Detective. The group of engineers who were lings show us the scene, and then, without a word, or anything, shove us down and attack us, and kill us without any remote amount of roleplay other than the initial 'Hey, we've found a body' (which they actually had). Garn, on the other hand, said it was not gank, because they planned it out and had executed an ambush, despite the completely lack of actual roleplay involved.

 

Looks like changelings doing their part in taking down prey. I've seen sec do no different during nuclear rounds.

I don't see why them legitimately killing you and doing their part as antagonists in the round deserves the over-use of a telebaton (which is a huge jump of escalation of force up from, say, a flash or the use of pepperspray?) at the end of round.

And overall, you only got a warning for it.

I can see the reason for complaint questioning whether the changelings really ganked you or not, but I don't see it over the line.

[coolbc2000]

M-My I but in here? Thanks.

Its seems that An-tags have been Un-Original as of late. (My self included, I have been just either. 1. Try and find the clown ship and come back and be the Clown Overlord HONK, or find the Spy Satalite and play music and listen to private coms for the whole round. The problem with the both of these is that it takes time finding one of them.)

An-tags need Auto-Objectives, I say this now, they really do. Getting a Auto-Objecitve is great, Here is a example. 1. Steal the (What ever head is on, if there is no head, then a random person on the station) jumpsuit. That involves the An-tag to get friendly with the Character and (When the time comes, steal the jumpsuit). Sure they could just shoot the fucker, but that would be just ganking, and would ruin a perfectly good jumpsuit.

To be honest, I love when An-tags go on a killing spree, and when we have a firefight, oh boy, is that fun. (Thats just my robust talking, fix them revolvers yo.)

That concludes my side of it, it is not perfect and in no way means that it SHOULD be there, but as a option, you know? Feel free to jump in on ideas and how An-tags could be original and stuff.

[Guest Complete Garbage]

M-My I but in here? Thanks.

Its seems that An-tags have been Un-Original as of late. (My self included, I have been just either. 1. Try and find the clown ship and come back and be the Clown Overlord HONK, or find the Spy Satalite and play music and listen to private coms for the whole round. The problem with the both of these is that it takes time finding one of them.)

An-tags need Auto-Objectives, I say this now, they really do. Getting a Auto-Objecitve is great, Here is a example. 1. Steal the (What ever head is on, if there is no head, then a random person on the station) jumpsuit. That involves the An-tag to get friendly with the Character and (When the time comes, steal the jumpsuit). Sure they could just shoot the fucker, but that would be just ganking, and would ruin a perfectly good jumpsuit.

To be honest, I love when An-tags go on a killing spree, and when we have a firefight, oh boy, is that fun. (Thats just my robust talking, fix them revolvers yo.)

That concludes my side of it, it is not perfect and in no way means that it SHOULD be there, but as a option, you know? Feel free to jump in on ideas and how An-tags could be original and stuff.

 

I don't see how this is an argument that in any way related to the topic at hand. If you have an idea like that, take it to general or suggestions, where the community members can discuss it. We're here to talk about a specific event(which has seriously devolved enough already).

[coolbc2000]

I don't see how this is an argument that in any way related to the topic at hand. If you have an idea like that, take it to general or suggestions, where the community members can discuss it. We're here to talk about a specific event(which has seriously devolved enough already).

Well, I WAS trying to help the post get on track... Suppose it did not work.

[Dumplinz]

I think Coolbc was saying: If there was auto-objectives, you would have less "boring assassinations/killing/gank complaints" and more easily justifiable scenarios where antags did things to clearly move toward their greater goal( and the posibility for antags to target non-sec roles, thus interacting with a greater variety of the station), I'll drop it there, Since I suppose that is very off topic.

It's relevance is in the sense things like this complaint could be more justifiable if Antags weren't given a sort of blank "slate" to provide role play for the station.

[coolbc2000]

I think Coolbc was saying: If there was auto-objectives, you would have less "boring assassinations/killing/gank complaints" and more easily justifiable scenarios where antags did things to clearly move toward their greater goal( and the posibility for antags to target non-sec roles, thus interacting with a greater variety of the station), I'll drop it there, Since I suppose that is very off topic.

It's relevance is in the sense things like this complaint could be more justifiable if Antags weren't given a sort of blank "slate" to provide role play for the station.

 

Aye, that is what I wanted to say, thanks ^^

[SierraKomodo]

Alright this thread has a lot of reported posts, alot of posts being made by staff members that I'd normally be binning but can't because they're staff, and this seems to be going off topic. Again.

Locked until an admin can get in here to clean things up and sort out what to do.

[Garnascus]

Did some things here, lets please remain on topic from now on. I don't want to see any more personal attacks and anger.

[Skull132]

The mods, they whisper many things in my ears.

Regardless, the points which I outlined on page 8 or 7 stand. Lings need to kill people in order to gain power, and they need to gain power in order to enable further development of their storyline. This means that ambushes happen, death happens, yadda. There is no really better way to handle the gamemode, due to the inherent nature of the gamemode (and partially that of our playerbase).

As for EOR grief, the unwritten part of that rule is that conflict is permitted to continue as long as it's logical/not overly escalated. Meaning this would have been straying on the "fine" part, maybe with a note added just in case.

(And yes, apparently we are clearing out the archive here.)

[DatBerry]

I just want to point out the ambush was really bad, 2-3 antag engineers team up and all they come up with is a surprise stabbing in maints. Something i would expect from a greytider. Not someone with the best job to setup ambushes.

All these unused assemblies, welder tanks, gas canisters, rigged airlocks.... i am disappointed.

Taking out the head of security should've been a major part of the story, having a important character dying plainly like this is... meh.

[Garnascus]

Let the record show this is the complaint i am most fond of. Anyways its looooong past its expiration date. Time to archive it.