LemonTheFruit - Player Complaint

[UnknownMurder]

BYOND Key: UnknownMurder

Player Byond Key: LemonTheFruit

Staff involved: Alberyk (He didn't know what was going on, but never responded to adminhelp that round, but the adminhelp the round after)

Reason for complaint:

This was during a Heist Round reaching to the end.

• Ranting in LOOC and Being too Salty 5 minutes prior to his death. It was very direct to me and Lord Lag.
  
• Little or No Reason to Mutiny. The only reason I know why Lemon chose to mutiny was because... However, he only claims to back himself up by stating (see next reason).
  
• Another Vaurca Pirate (who seemed to be confused [sleepy Wolf]): But, I'm not angry with Vaurca, he was confused until he tried to come up with mutiny RP in the end.
  
• I was asking question about his mutiny RPly. He chose to neglect the RP and decided to proceed to shoot me, while I am unarmed. No weaponry.

Before you start wondering, what happened before? The only two things I know there was disagreement on was:

Lemon wanted to return to HQ and end the round RP interests due to one ERT.

I snatched away Lemon's station bounced radio because he wanted to do a radio show, which was very stupid of him. The radio was left in the shuttle before the shooting of myself. However, I lived.

Lord Lag (Excalibur 48) was the only one to side with me. In the end, we never knew the reason why mutiny occurred. But, I felt a lot of hostility coming from Lemon in both IC and OOCLY directly to me. Lemon and Vaurca was dead at Excalibur's hand. While I took care of prisoner torture. Logs are in other thread.

Approximate Date/Time: 5:30 PM Central Time Zone (3/17/16)

Note: First time I've made a compliant. Something to note here.

[Chada1]

I was there as Cyborg Penny (MMI at the time, I was decapitated and was being used as a gruesome pAI). It was Sleepywolfs idea to Mutiny, not Lemons. Lemon was recruited by Sleepywolf to mutiny. Originally, Sleepywolfs character was going to shoot Lemons character, with the cooperation of Sharja (A kidnapped Shaft Miner) There's no rule against Antagonists fighting each other. It's bad to do but it's not against the rules.

That said, i'm not saying you deserved the mutiny, it was a jerk thing to do, but it wasn't Lemons idea. I'm pretty sure Zor (Sleepywolf) and Sharja (The Miner) had grew a bit close, so the Mutiny was probably about saving Sharja and not... uhh... a radio? That's just why Lemons character decided to join the mutiny.

This is my viewpoint.

[UnknownMurder]

Then, let me say something else..

None of us planned to kill Sharja anymore. It was dropped, everyone agreed to take Sharja alive. What was up with Vaurca spouting stuff in the end? "We hired hired to take care of you, etc."

I know they're allowed to shoot each other, but Lemon had no reason to join if he knows nothing about mutiny or just... Hurr, mutiny I'll join it.

Edit: This is what it feels like to me, luckily he was stopped.

[Chada1]

Then, let me say something else..

None of us planned to kill Sharja anymore. It was dropped, everyone agreed to take Sharja alive. What was up with Vaurca spouting stuff in the end? "We hired hired to take care of you, etc."

I know they're allowed to shoot each other, but Lemon had no reason to join if he knows nothing about mutiny or just... Hurr, mutiny I'll join it.

Edit: This is what it feels like to me, luckily he was stopped.

 

I don't think you understand the situation here, Unknown. He joins the Mutiny or he dies/gets perma-cuffed.. He's going to join the mutiny in that situation.

[Outboarduniform]

i was Dietrich that round , i think the only reason that they mutinied is because grey beard was bitching and being angsty and the Vaucra was just being an ass IE prefect time for mutiny i don't like what they're doing

[UnknownMurder]

Chads, I don't think you understand the part of the story either. Just saying, let me try to speak calmly with you.

Who said we were going to kill Gray Beard? Who said we were going to kill the prisoner? Who said we were going to kill the Vaurca. No one did. We were using radio headset communication. We agreed and said the prisoner is sill use to us. We lost interest in the prisoner and gave him to the Vaurca who enjoyed watching prisoners kill each other and left them alone to RP. In fact, we were taking the prisoner back to the HQ, because Vaurca insisted. Grey Beard wasn't even part of the discussion. He was just fooling around with Penny (you).

I must agree with Outboard. I didn't like Grey's attitude, but vaurca's reasoning was understandable. However, I want people to look at the evidences provided. His reason to join mutiny was because whoever 'he' took his radio, and Vaurca said 'Bullshittery' while Lemon keeps on saying "I warned you blah blah blah" is another reason to mutiny or has he misinterpreted that he shot me 5-9 times. No one planned to cuff anybody, prisoner was Vaurca's responsibility alone. We gave that responsibility to the Vaurca. Let me go back to what you said, Vaurca was PROBABLY going to save the Prisoner. So, hell... We were too the moment we boarded the Shuttle. We tortured the prisoner because he shot Excalibur and I without a word until later with turned out to be a better RP.

From my perspective, it just seems like a way for Lemon to get back at me for IPC Whitelist App and small silly antag disagreement. I mean seriously, to me. It is obvious. I mean, Outboard was a ghost that time. He was dead by Yinzr. He saw everything. Delta was there as a ghost too, from what I saw in end round. Maybe, I am just jumping to conclusion.

See my original complaint about Lemon's reason to mutiny and not to mention tried to flee from a round as antagonist, almost taking our antag roles in vain to make station a success, we even got into OOC argument which I had brought Alberyk. He still didn't seem to understand the situation.

I hope this clarifies things, Chada? (Do you prefer Chad or Chada?)

Edit: Just remembered: Vaurca and I did talk about recruiting the prisoner to the crew. He seemed happy.

[Chada1]

Chads, I don't think you understand the part of the story either. Just saying, let me try to speak calmly with you.

Who said we were going to kill Gray Beard? Who said we were going to kill the prisoner? Who said we were going to kill the Vaurca. No one did. We were using radio headset communication. We agreed and said the prisoner is sill use to us. We lost interest in the prisoner and gave him to the Vaurca who enjoyed watching prisoners kill each other and left them alone to RP. In fact, we were taking the prisoner back to the HQ, because Vaurca insisted. Grey Beard wasn't even part of the discussion. He was just fooling around with Penny (you).

I must agree with Outboard. I didn't like Grey's attitude, but vaurca's reasoning was understandable. However, I want people to look at the evidences provided. His reason to join mutiny was because whoever 'he' took his radio, and Vaurca said 'Bullshittery' while Lemon keeps on saying "I warned you blah blah blah" is another reason to mutiny or has he misinterpreted that he shot me 5-9 times. No one planned to cuff anybody, prisoner was Vaurca's responsibility alone. We gave that responsibility to the Vaurca. Let me go back to what you said, Vaurca was PROBABLY going to save the Prisoner. So, hell... We were too the moment we boarded the Shuttle. We tortured the prisoner because he shot Excalibur and I without a word until later with turned out to be a better RP.

From my perspective, it just seems like a way for Lemon to get back at me for IPC Whitelist App and small silly antag disagreement. I mean seriously, to me. It is obvious. I mean, Outboard was a ghost that time. He was dead by Yinzr. He saw everything. Delta was there as a ghost too, from what I saw in end round. Maybe, I am just jumping to conclusion.

See my original complaint about Lemon's reason to mutiny and not to mention tried to flee from a round as antagonist, almost taking our antag roles in vain to make station a success, we even got into OOC argument which I had brought Alberyk. He still didn't seem to understand the situation.

I hope this clarifies things, Chada? (Do you prefer Chad or Chada?)

Edit: Just remembered: Vaurca and I did talk about recruiting the prisoner to the crew. He seemed happy.

 

Alright, so. Let me explain too. I'm not going to defend anything Lemon said in OOC. I'm merely going to explain a scene you missed so that you realise the Mutiny was all SleepyWolf and/or Sharja-players idea, not Lemon/Grey-beards. As for what I was saying earlier, Lemon can speak for themselves past that... I just want it to be seen how it was. So we were sitting in the bridge of the skipjack talking, suddenly Zor and Sharja burst in and declare a Mutiny, it was this scene I was talking about when I said this.

 

Originally, Sleepywolfs character was going to shoot Lemons character, with the cooperation of Sharja (A kidnapped Shaft Miner)

 

That is the scene that Lemon joined the Mutiny in, and it was sort of like Conscription since if he hadn't offered to join the Mutiny there's no telling what they would've done ICly.

Accept the Mutiny wasn't Lemons idea and that you have the facts straight and i'm done here. As for the true reason of the Mutiny? SleepyWolf and Sharjas player would have to get in here for that.

Also if I was being held, I could hear your comms, so I knew more than you seem to think I knew.

My final point is, he shouldn't have shot you so quickly, that is very VERY valid.

Chada works, and thank you for staying civil.

[UnknownMurder]

I would certainly like to hear Sleepy Wolf and Sharjas' reasoning, Lemon's reasoning to join mutiny too. Lemon was just a factor of the mutiny, I'll accept this. You've already reiterated it several times, Chada. I think I get your story... But, my complaints still stands for the entire mutiny group. But, thanks for involving your story/perspective.

Also, please clarify on Final Point? I shouldn't have been shot at, but it was valid? Are you saying that his actions were valid in his aggression, even when he has no idea what may be going on, or does he actually know?

Edit: Anyhow: I'll wait until Lemon, Sleepy, or Sharja to get on or Admin joins in and investigates, makes its decision and such.

[Garnascus]

The first time you have made a complaint isn't really something to note . If im understanding this correctly you believe the mutiny was for an awful reason? Three people took part in it?

[UnknownMurder]

Garn. Please. It's a note to myself and people who cares.

To answer your question, yes; with follow ups of other complaints listed in OP, and better clarifications made by Chada from his perspective with Outboard's testimony.

Does these clarification help, I cannot help if you cannot tell me if clarification is enough. Let me know when you need things clarified from my perspective that may help with your investigation.

[Chada1]

Also, please clarify on Final Point? I shouldn't have been shot at, but it was valid? Are you saying that his actions were valid in his aggression, even when he has no idea what may be going on, or does he actually know?

 

He did know what was going on. That's what that scene should tell you. Anyway, I was saying you have a valid point that he shouldn't have unloaded a full round into you.

[Garnascus]

Oki Oki, ill see what I can do in PMing sleep and lemon to post their side here. ill have to check to see who players sharja.

[Guest]

http://www.aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=4729#p47274

Semi-relevant. Lemon appears to not really give a damn as to regards to standard RP conventions and seems to take whatever happens in ICly with great levels of offense if they ever happen to 'lose'. They overescalate conflict beyond what is reasonable, and I'm fairly certain that even Pootis was job-banned forever from security for the same reasons.

Take that as you will, but I and a few other regulars have been tracking this sort of behavior and discussing it amongst ourselves, and it's mostly unanimously agreed that Lemon seems to be more concerned with hunting antagonists and getting blud in their mouf rather than engaging in any sort of interaction with other players/characters.

[LemonTheFruit]

http://www.aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=4729#p47274

Semi-relevant. Lemon appears to not really give a damn as to regards to standard RP conventions and seems to take whatever happens in ICly with great levels of offense if they ever happen to 'lose'. They overescalate conflict beyond what is reasonable, and I'm fairly certain that even Pootis was job-banned forever from security for the same reasons.

Take that as you will, but I and a few other regulars have been tracking this sort of behavior and discussing it amongst ourselves, and it's mostly unanimously agreed that Lemon seems to be more concerned with hunting antagonists and getting blud in their mouf rather than engaging in any sort of interaction with other players/characters.

 

You wanna discuss this, please talk to me. I don't appreciate the implication of people talking behind my back. I'll await any sort of PM or anything from you and these "Other Players".

Also, for convenience, I'll state three of the forum rules, rules that you agree to by posting.

-Stay on topic, this means that the posts should be constructive and focus on the complaint itself only. Any off-topic post made will be removed and met with a reminder to remain on topic.

-Do not use ad hominem. This means do not attack a person's character (character in this case meaning the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual). You are expected to argue the presented ideas, not the person. If someone were to attack you, don’t take matters into your own hands, report it to us.

-Only post if involved. If you are not a moderator or administrator and were not involved in the incident(s) referred to, you may not post or reply to a player complaint regarding said incident(s).

Edited March 18, 2016 by Guest

[LemonTheFruit]

In regards to this, I genuinely can't take the post seriously. About ten minutes after this incident, UM was sticking his full head into the sliced open stomach of a prisoner. If you're going to critique my behavior, please watch your own.

[Guest]

You wanna discuss this, please talk to me. I don't appreciate the implication of people talking behind my back. I'll await any sort of PM or anything from you and these "Other Players".

Also, for convenience, I'll state three of the forum rules, rules that you agree to by posting.

-Stay on topic, this means that the posts should be constructive and focus on the complaint itself only. Any off-topic post made will be removed and met with a reminder to remain on topic.

-Do not use ad hominem. This means do not attack a person's character (character in this case meaning the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual). You are expected to argue the presented ideas, not the person. If someone were to attack you, don’t take matters into your own hands, report it to us.

-Only post if involved. If you are not a moderator or administrator and were not involved in the incident(s) referred to, you may not post or reply to a player complaint regarding said incident(s).

 

I actually didn't break any of the rules regarding posting in this subforum? I'm pretty sure of it.

I think that if I were to ask anybody regarding your conduct as a player in-game and out-of-game, I think I would get a fair deal of testimonies regarding what I've pointed out. A good majority of the playerbase prefers to not get involved in this sort of thing, but I will respect that.

In addition, what do you expect people to do? They see something happen and they talk about it. Hell, right now it's only made public because it's what complaints should be filed for, to discuss issues being brought up by the community at large about someone in particular, that being you, in regards to a set behavior that you've been following. It's not malicious nor insidious to discuss with people you know regarding what happened on the server. It would be malicious if we actually did anything about it aside from making a complaint, as is our right and what we are told to do when we have a legitimate problem with players acting the way they do.

I think I've been rather nice with you too, I've only gotten to the point regarding the issues that I, for certain, and several others, most likely, take issue with when it comes to your conduct. So the point regarding me constructing ad hom stuff is invalid, because that's not true in the post I made. I'm not sure if you would be one to police me in this regard, given a complaint discussing the same conduct (this one, actually) has been put up against you. And, again, I've been pretty nice.

I think I can consider myself involved, because I was ghosting in LOOC at the time and I did bear witness to the nasty insults and salt flung the way of the OP and anyone else, not to mention some deadchat shenanigans accompanied with that. I've been warned about this before, too, so I think I understand the specifics of what consists of "too far".

 

In regards to this, I genuinely can't take the post seriously. About ten minutes after this incident, UM was sticking his full head into the sliced open stomach of a prisoner. If you're going to critique my behavior, please watch your own.

 

Well, okay. That's actually ad hominem because it does nothing but attack others personally. But it's your choice if you don't want to answer the complaint seriously, nobody expects much aside from being nice to people.

[LemonTheFruit]

You wanna discuss this, please talk to me. I don't appreciate the implication of people talking behind my back. I'll await any sort of PM or anything from you and these "Other Players".

Also, for convenience, I'll state three of the forum rules, rules that you agree to by posting.

-Stay on topic, this means that the posts should be constructive and focus on the complaint itself only. Any off-topic post made will be removed and met with a reminder to remain on topic.

-Do not use ad hominem. This means do not attack a person's character (character in this case meaning the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual). You are expected to argue the presented ideas, not the person. If someone were to attack you, don’t take matters into your own hands, report it to us.

-Only post if involved. If you are not a moderator or administrator and were not involved in the incident(s) referred to, you may not post or reply to a player complaint regarding said incident(s).

 

I actually didn't break any of the rules regarding posting in this subforum? I'm pretty sure of it.

I think that if I were to ask anybody regarding your conduct as a player in-game and out-of-game, I think I would get a fair deal of testimonies regarding what I've pointed out. A good majority of the playerbase prefers to not get involved in this sort of thing, but I will respect that.

In addition, what do you expect people to do? They see something happen and they talk about it. Hell, right now it's only made public because it's what complaints should be filed for, to discuss issues being brought up by the community at large about someone in particular, that being you, in regards to a set behavior that you've been following. It's not malicious nor insidious to discuss with people you know regarding what happened on the server. It would be malicious if we actually did anything about it aside from making a complaint, as is our right and what we are told to do when we have a legitimate problem with players acting the way they do.

I think I've been rather nice with you too, I've only gotten to the point regarding the issues that I, for certain, and several others, most likely, take issue with when it comes to your conduct. So the point regarding me constructing ad hom stuff is invalid, because that's not true in the post I made. I'm not sure if you would be one to police me in this regard, given a complaint discussing the same conduct (this one, actually) has been put up against you. And, again, I've been pretty nice.

I think I can consider myself involved, because I was ghosting in LOOC at the time and I did bear witness to the nasty insults and salt flung the way of the OP and anyone else, not to mention some deadchat shenanigans accompanied with that. I've been warned about this before, too, so I think I understand the specifics of what consists of "too far".

 

In regards to this, I genuinely can't take the post seriously. About ten minutes after this incident, UM was sticking his full head into the sliced open stomach of a prisoner. If you're going to critique my behavior, please watch your own.

 

Well, okay. That's actually ad hominem because it does nothing but attack others personally. But it's your choice if you don't want to answer the complaint seriously, nobody expects much aside from being nice to people.

 

If you have a problem with me, again, bring it to my attention personally. I will address it. This topic has to do with a specific incident, and you've not contributed anything to that incident. I'm not being condescending, or mean in any sense. I'm pointing out that this is the wrong place to post, if the issue is what you feel about me.

I understand that you and Unknown seem to have a thing against me. At the least, it's not cool to harbor complaints behind my back. Again. PM me, this is not the place to talk.

[Garnascus]

In regards to this, I genuinely can't take the post seriously. About ten minutes after this incident, UM was sticking his full head into the sliced open stomach of a prisoner. If you're going to critique my behavior, please watch your own.

 

This is the kind of attitude i really dont want to see, you have a complaint made against you and your behavior. Its expected you respond to it. this actually IS the place to discuss this. character complaints are a forum for players to bring up issues with other players conduct.

[UnknownMurder]

Lemon, you should know that myself sticking my head and eating the prisoner's body was RP, or other words IC RP. You, misbehaving in LOOC, is not IC RP. It's OOC, you are misbehaving yourself. Also, I'm becoming one of the 'other players' who are talking privately.

Allow me to reiterate and summarize, the complaints are:

The quotes is either attached to bulleting above reason OR is bulleted itself. Check the bulleting before you read on.

Current Complaints Toward to Lemon:

• OOC Behavior (which was clearly shown by Garncanus) in Forum
  
• OOC Behavior (which was clearly shown by me) in Game.
  
• Bitching and Attempt to ruin RP by threating the Antags to leave them and end the round's interest.
  i was Dietrich that round , i think the only reason that they mutinied is because grey beard was bitching and being angsty...i don't like what they're doing

  
   
  
• Unloading entire Magazine on Zero. Let me ask a question on this. Was there no way to go around the violence? Everything you've done ends in violence.
  Anyway, I was saying you have a valid point that he shouldn't have unloaded a full round into you.

  
  
• Unknown Reason to join the Mutiny?
  
• Potential Toxic Player.
  
• Lemon appears to not really give a damn as to regards to standard RP conventions and seems to take whatever happens in ICly with great levels of offense if they ever happen to 'lose'.

 

Current Complaint Toward to Vaurca [i think Sleepy Wolf]:

• Why start Mutiny? We agreed not to kill the prisoner. Vaurca was happy to recruit the prisoner.
  i was Dietrich that round , i think the only reason that they mutinied is because...Vaucra was just being an ass IE prefect time for mutiny i don't like what they're doing

 

I've clarified this even more. Hope this helps.

[UnknownMurder]

Bump. Lemon and Sleepy were notified of this compliant awhile ago. Either they choose not to address to it or 'don't have enough time' to do so.

[Serveris]

I will contact them serverside next time I see them on the server.

[UnknownMurder]

Much appreciated.

[SleepyWolf]

As Zor, I decided to take advantage of the situation and attempt to have a bit of end-round roleplay. Something interesting, so I decided to use my hostage as a weapon, and was going to take the ship for myself. I went into the cockpit, crossbow pointing at both my weapon/hostage and Lemon. After speaking with the lackluster old man, I decided to use him too to get the other two that were just coming back from a fight with ERT I believe. I planned a form of ambush, waiting at the other side of a door and holding the crossbow up at the first one to come in. Things went to shit, everyone started shooting, I pinned Lemon to the wall on accident, I shot myself with the crossbow, and death ensued for everyone who attempted a mutiny.

TLDR;Don't trust pirates.

[UnknownMurder]

Taking ship for yourself like every antag... Alright then, Lemon was the one who escalated the gun fight during RP, I believe. He was actually the first person to shoot his gun, a SMG Magazine on me.

Edit: You still got a complaint from Outboard.

[LemonTheFruit]

Taking ship for yourself like every antag... Alright then, Lemon was the one who escalated the gun fight during RP, I believe. He was actually the first person to shoot his gun, a SMG Magazine on me.

Edit: You still got a complaint from Outboard.

 

I told your character to get on the ground. They did not. They were shot with a firearm that was set to automatic.