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Server Moderator Application

 

Basic Information

Byond Account: LordRaven001

Character Name(s): Night That Shatters Days, Embracing The Rain, Akero'Ceyta Veeta'Pleat, Keta'Ceet Ple'Teh, Arthur Whitemane, WHITEMANE (Cyborg), Whitemane(ERT), Archon (AI),Azeir Sssinzar, Kota Vimleel, Thtithik Pakseech, Korlas Lassei, Za'Akaix Azaeah Zo'ra, Ka'Akaix Snowa Zo'ra, Ka'Viax Zotra Zo'ra H.E.A.D (AI) H.E.A.D (Cyborg) Josiaph Vitilichi

AI Name(s): H.E.A.D, Archon

Preferred means of contact: Discord, Skype, Steam, Forum PM

Age: 18

Timezone: Mountain Time

When are you on Aurora?: Deadhour/All day (I basically take online courses so I stay on Aurora all day while doing online courses, I'm active 24/7 like a fish of anti-social behavior)



Experience

How long have you played SS13?: One year

How long have you played on Aurora: Two months

How much do you know about SS13 (Baystation build) game mechanics?: MOstly everything, I have a private server set up running Aurora's codebase.

Do you have any experience moderating for an SS13 server?: No

Have you ever been banned, and if so, how long and why?: No



Personality

Why do you play SS13?: To escape from the stressful real world, its a fun game

Why do you play on Aurora?: To engulf myself in HeavyRP.

What do moderators do?: They enforce the rules and guidelines of the server and also assist the players with anything they require, They are helpers.

What does it mean to be a moderator for our server?: Enforce the rules, Assist newer players with SS13 game mechanics, Teach new players our rules, Watch over the playerbase and round to make sure it is fun for everyone.

Why do you want to be a moderator?: I want to be a moderator because I wish to help people as-well as enforce the rules, I come onto the server to play and have fun and I don't want it being ruined by a person randomly murdering me, Or FailRP, We all come on Aurora for the same thing to have fun, And I want to be a person to enforce the rules so everyone can have fun. :)

What qualities do you possess that would make you a good moderator?: Friendly, Strict when need to be, I enjoy communicating and helping others, Self Discipline, And a strong work ethic/motivation.

How well do you handle stress, anger, or insults?: Pretty well, I just think there having a bad day and need to talk about it, But if there blatantly trying to be a rude dude I will strictly ask them to cease.



Anything Else You Want to Add:

I enjoy having feedback and listening to other peoples opinions, It is what betters me as a person and as a roleplayer, Please give me your most detailed feedback on my most important app, It will really help me improve and fix my mistakes, Thank you for reading

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You do know you can't be a DO AND a Mod at the same time right?

 

Correct, Skull, Xander and myself were chatting about it in OOC, I figured DO has a lot of applicants applying, More then moderator, And Skull told me he needed more mods for deadhour, I mainly play on Deadhour so I volunteered to further the growth of the server :)

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In the chance of you being accepted for both. You are allowed to go through both your trial and CCIA training at the same time. But once your moderator trial is up, you need to choose which one you want to be in. That was at least what I was told when I applied back in December.

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In the chance of you being accepted for both. You are allowed to go through both your trial and CCIA training at the same time. But once your moderator trial is up, you need to choose which one you want to be in. That was at least what I was told when I applied back in December.

 

This still applies, unless the DOs want to change it (the mods and mins don't).

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In the chance of you being accepted for both. You are allowed to go through both your trial and CCIA training at the same time. But once your moderator trial is up, you need to choose which one you want to be in. That was at least what I was told when I applied back in December.

 

This still applies, unless the DOs want to change it (the mods and mins don't).

 

I'm not Gollee, but I'm fine with that. Lets you find out which group you mesh with better.

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  • 3 weeks later...

With the retirement of SenpaiShadow/Itzal, I've been left alone during deadhour. I'm expressing a personal interest in those that would be available at this time.

I'll speak with my colleagues; in the event that you're trialled, I would be available and willing to help you with your conditioning, as deadhour, as you may guess, is slower for staff. It would be an excellent time to help you get your bearings and for a closer mentoring process.

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Please post feedback as it goes.

 

Okay.


Uses leading questions to open adminpm conversations, "Can you tell me what rule you just broke".


This presumes guilt immediately and eliminates the player's ability to explain their position.


Observed a valid-hunting or lore-breaking (I'm fuzzy on this one) Dionae lunge into space to axe a vampire to death, then told me he saw it and would do something about it since the diona was validhunting/breaking character, but didn't want to interrupt a 'valid' scene. Logically the scene is not valid if he thought he should intervene for valid-hunting/diona lore breaking. Then told me to make a player complaint about the person he failed to deal with after the scene was over.


This appears lazy. If the combat wasn't valid because the Dionae was valid hunting that severely, we have "winded" and LOOC to suspend a character's action and call a time out. If it was desirable to let the scene play out and then address it, Raven failed to follow up on the issue he witnessed needing intervention. If it is entirely impossible to address for whatever reason, Raven should have proceeded to address it himself, rather than defer moderation work to the player. Pushing reporting bad play to a player to do a day after the play is witnessed by the moderator on duty is irresponsible.


Observed a Chief Engineer, under direct orders to destroy a known malf AI, emitter down the walls to the AI. Then warned him for 'valid hunting' when he carefully knocked out turrets with an ion rifle to verify the AI was actually dead, without completely smashing valuable hardware. A malfunctioning machine worth millions of dollars should be disabled surgically by an engineer and not shot to pieces by a security rush, which may or may not know the actual layout of the core as the CE does. Also blessed by the HoS in the effort, and with all of sec and medical behind him. Bwoinks interrupted the CE's work, allow the antagonists to light a plasma fire right under the CE. CE then warned against not roleplaying fear and valid-hunting, but not revived after burning to death having an adminpm conversation.


Considering the previous desire not to interrupt a scene, Raven is inconsistent in this regard.


Makes no effort to understand the player's point of view or an explanation of the character, IE why the character isn't afraid of X, why the character thinks he should do X. Instead this is regarded as being combative, when understanding character motivations is critical to a moderator judging if bad roleplay is actually the case. All attempts to explain character actions were met with incredulous repetition of the explaination, then telling the player their job title instead of their background as a reason why a behavior was out of character.


Does not exercise the same prudence in-character that he expects others to do. To be consistent, his research director should not have carried around a blood-sucking statue on the main station which actively drew blood from him every time he spoke and drew blood from his co-workers speaking in the next room over, all while one window away from the departures hallway. Also should not have deliberately summoned what were known IC to the round as murderous demons aboard the main station, when said statue was supposed to be on the research outpost. Same RD character caused several sec officers to chatter in parenthesis on the sec channel about how they didn't want to deal with him after last round, which was apparently the subject of a player complaint. At least one cryo'd.


There. Feedback. Very shortly I will be reminded why I do not write staff complaints, and after that will be looking for a new server. But this was cathartic.

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I want to back up the above, but I do want to add that it is not of any particular fault of the candidate. I do not believe LordRaven is being properly taught to follow any sort of moderator criteria in relation to dealing with incidents or simply dealing with formalities that shouldn't be such a struggle for them to deal with.


I don't believe such a program for schooling or guiding really exists and each trial moderator is effectively told "do whatever, good luck" and they get a stern yelling at whenever they do something wrong, which ends up demoralizing the candidate and makes them afraid to deal with anything ever so slightly controversial without being told by a higher-up to specifically deal with something.


The candidate does not seem to be encouraged by their peers/superiors to really do anything of themselves and it's gotten to the point where it might seem like a select few staff members may be intentionally breeding sycophants rather than teaching a candidate to think creatively and with introspection. Doing the "right thing" appears to be outright scolded and it seems the candidate is being outright told by a higher-up on exactly how to deal with someone rather than allowing said candidate to decide for themselves in relation to what right and wrong is.


Very simply, it's a mindset being reinforced by a staff clique mentality. It's proven to be very toxic and it's given way to many issues that people think are the fault of the candidate, quite a few complaints have been opened, but it seems each of those complaint's focus has been completely incorrect.


The issue is not with the individual candidate themselves, but with their supervisors doing a very terrible job at supervising and effectively micromanaging staff operations themselves. I had this issue back when I predominately played captain back in late 2014 and early 2015 prior to my first whitelist strip, I used to personally control the decisions of every single department regardless of whether they asked for direction or not, and I often stepped on several toes thinking that I knew how to do the job of subordinates better. I can say that I could (the best boss is actually someone who knows how a good subordinate works, and will do their best to ensure the subordinate learns to grow and adapt naturally), but that's not how being a boss works. Subordinates must be sometimes given a chance to make their own decisions without being micromanaged each step of the way by a babysitter.


Some of the community may be under 18, but nonetheless people should be treated like adults.


My worries as of now are as follows, depending on these two scenarios (And before Skull decides to cite slippery slope as a fallacy, we are not limited to these outcomes but these are the two most likely):


LordRaven passes the trial to be a moderator, instated as fullmod.

-Underlying issues in regards to candidate's personal character and behavior get brought up, community confusion over how candidate got fullmod in spite of these issues.

-Concern about inner staff circle nepotism increases. Community wonders what parts of LordRaven are redeemable and generally overriding of character flaws, what makes them special, etc.


LordRaven doesn't "make the cut" by the 17th, loses trial mod status.

-People wonder why LR didn't make the cut, was it because LR was simply not a good candidate? Was it because LR was specifically told to do certain things, but apparently he did them in a manner that a supervisor didn't intend them to do? Or, just to get a chuckle out of it and being able to say it for irony's sake, is LR just the fall guy for the faults of their peers? Conspiratory-sounding as it is, it does happen fairly frequently in establishment cliques.


Either way, it doesn't look good. I genuinely wish for LordRaven to succeed and to be able to own that. I also genuinely wish the cliquey staff inner circle nonsense wasn't so visually obvious and that it didn't affect anyone or do any harm. I suppose beggars can't be choosers, though.


Best of luck, OP.

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I don't like raven as moderator. I feel his attitude is condescending, overly critical, and unbecoming of the professionalism needed. He seems to cause, or at least get into, a lot of trouble and friction with other players, and is sometimes overly aggressive in his conduct.


I'd rather see him remain a player, and his moderatorship end when the trial does. I don't think he's the right fit to be a face of the community, as a moderator has to be.

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Best of luck, OP.

 

Man, this is some history channel tier conspiracy theories.


We don't have training because we don't have the manpower, not like there's much to learn.


Raven already has a mentor, i dont because fuk u i do what i want


Imo the 'do whatever you want' is a great method to check someone's judgement skills instead of just getting told what to do like cattle.


 

get yelled at

Oh The horror

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I don't like raven as moderator. I feel his attitude is condescending, overly critical, and unbecoming of the professionalism needed. He seems to cause, or at least get into, a lot of trouble and friction with other players, and is sometimes overly aggressive in his conduct.


I'd rather see him remain a player, and his moderatorship end when the trial does. I don't think he's the right fit to be a face of the community, as a moderator has to be.

 

Sorry to call you out like this but please provide proof or evidence of this? I rarely take calls because of my crashing and when I do make a punishment I get the full support of the staff team behind me as I rarely make choices or decisions alone (As my English isn't the best and I require assistance in decoding your demonic language) , I rarely get into conflict with players, But I did get into some conflicts with you about the lore and how your many Nanako's is literally the most immersion breaking things as they look exactly the same. I'm quite confused on what you base this statement on and if you have feedback on how to improve instead of just listing negative things that is also helpful, Yours is just putting me down with zero chance to learn anything.



EDIT :I spoke with Nanako about this and here are their complaints in full,


[5:49 PM] Nanako: ok, you're not good with english, and technical problems are holding you back from doing the job properly. Maybe to you those seem like reasons for sympathy, but to me they seem like more evidence of unsuitability

[5:50 PM] Nanako: you come across as too serious, too intent on enforcing the letter of the law, when the role you're doing is really very subjective

[5:51 PM] Lord Raven VII: As I said before I work as a law enforcer.

[5:51 PM] Lord Raven VII: The letter of the law is how people convict other people.

[5:51 PM] Lord Raven VII: Its just how I was trained I guess

[5:53 PM] Nanako: i like garnascus, i ythink you should try to be more like him

[5:53 PM] Nanako: he generally lets things slide unless someone has a problem with it

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Not quite my complaints in full:

Lord Raven VII - Today at 12:17 AM

Kindly provide proof of your feedback on my mod app.http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5617&p=60734#p60734(edited)

Nanako - Today at 12:42 AM

I saw you editing that. Was it perhaps because it came across as too aggressive?

Lord Raven VII - Today at 12:42 AM

Yes

I work in a law field and I have been stressed out all day.

So I am fixing my previous salty comment.

Nanako - Today at 12:43 AM

maybe someone with a stresful day job, isn't the right for a stressful volunteer job,

The first message was edited, it had a much more aggressive and accusatory tone before



Then he mentioned technical issues:

Aimless and I both have a problem were our beyond crashes if we jump or admin PM

As seen in my quote, i don't think someone who's unable to properly do the job for technical or personal reasons is a good fit. It's unfortunate those factors exist,, but they do, and it has to be taken into account.


I also mentioned:

-An apparent ongoing feud with 1138/delta, which seems to get aggressive and show the worst of both sides frequently


-Unhelpfulness in adminhelps: A recent issue that came to mind was when i asked someone to tell me the wet value of a floor tile. I was looking through code at the time and attempting to figure out why it wasn't drying up. LordRaven answered, and told me that it didn't matter, and that it'd be the same even if it was 2141578, which was neither helpful, nor the answer i requested. There are at least two possible wet values for tiles that are set and checked in code, exactly which it is mattered a lot.


-There's also the issue with nikov. He was considering quitting, and only filed a complaint thread to get the matter resolved at my repeated insistence. (I actually advised him to file an unban request). I think it's a bad sign when a trial moderator is causing grief for a veteran player, that's directly damaging to the community, and i'm not seeing how it helped anyone.


-And as nikov mentions, there was also the issue of the vampire statue. I was there during that round, as the hapless doctor trying to fix a crew full of people suffering wounds and blood loss from that thing. I was one of the people telling him to take it to the research outpost, where such anomalies belong. He put the crew at risk repeatedly. That statue somehow surfaced in the vacant office later and summoned demons, at least one person died in the resulting incident

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Correct, I edited the first message on discord, as I just came home and sent it after a long stressful day, Let me get everything said.


 

[5:17 PM] Lord Raven VII: Kindly provide proof of your feedback on my mod app.http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5617&p=60734#p60734(edited)

[5:42 PM] Nanako: I saw you editing that. Was it perhaps because it came across as too aggressive?

[5:42 PM] Lord Raven VII: Yes

[5:42 PM] Lord Raven VII: I work in a law field and I have been stressed out all day.

[5:42 PM] Lord Raven VII: So I am fixing my previous salty comment.

[5:43 PM] Nanako: maybe someone with a stresful day job, isn't the right for a stressful volunteer job,

[5:43 PM] Lord Raven VII: Seeing as how almost all of the staff members have stressful day jobs.

[5:44 PM] Lord Raven VII: Nope.

[5:45 PM] Nanako: its stuff like the ongoing fued with delta, the issue with nikov, general unhelpfulness inadminhelps, etc

[5:46 PM] Lord Raven VII: Unhelpfull ness?

[5:46 PM] Lord Raven VII: wat

[5:46 PM] Nanako: like my question with the wet floor tiles the other day. That needed admin variable viewing powers to resolve.

[5:46 PM] Nanako: What was the point in you taking it?

[5:46 PM] Lord Raven VII: All staff have admin variable viewing problems.

[5:46 PM] Nanako: you do?

[5:46 PM] Lord Raven VII: Yes.

[5:46 PM] Nanako: well why didn't you use them then, and tell me what the requested value was

[5:47 PM] Lord Raven VII: Aimless and I both have a problem were our beyond crashes if we jump or admin PM

[5:47 PM] Nanako: you instead launched into a lecture about how the system worked and why the anwer didn't matter

[5:47 PM] Lord Raven VII: I relayed information from other staff.

[5:47 PM] Lord Raven VII: All staff can see what is being said in adminPM's

[5:47 PM] Lord Raven VII: and ahelps.

[5:47 PM] Nanako: I was asking for that information because i was combing through code at the time and carefully reading how the functions worked, i wanted it to aid in diagnosing the issue

[5:47 PM] Lord Raven VII: I am not an english speaker and I require assistance in decoding the english language, Nanako.

[5:48 PM] Lord Raven VII: English is literally one of the most diverse languages in the world.

[5:48 PM] Lord Raven VII: And i've only been learning it for 6 months.

[5:48 PM] Lord Raven VII: The coders know how to fix it they just haven't been told about it in github.

[5:48 PM] Lord Raven VII: It just involves adding a timer to the wetness and forcevalues back to 0

[5:49 PM] Nanako: ok, you're not good with english, and technical problems are holding you back from doing the job properly. Maybe to you those seem like reasons for sympathy, but to me they seem like more evidence of unsuitability

[5:50 PM] Lord Raven VII: Lovely, This conversation is only furthering you putting me down in a very rude way, So I am going to stop talking, Please post your reply to my app or don't I don't really care, Ill be sending this to my mentor so he may help.

[5:50 PM] Lord Raven VII: Thanks!

[5:50 PM] Nanako: you come across as too serious, too intent on enforcing the letter of the law, when the role you're doing is really very subjective

[5:51 PM] Nanako: okay, sorry. you asked, just trying to be honest.

[5:51 PM] Lord Raven VII: As I said before I work as a law enforcer.

[5:51 PM] Nanako: wish you luck

[5:51 PM] Lord Raven VII: The letter of the law is how people convict other people.

[5:51 PM] Lord Raven VII: Its just how I was trained I guess :P

[5:52 PM] Nanako: you're not here to convict people though. you're here to ensure that everyone keeps having fun

[5:52 PM] Lord Raven VII: Yes, I am working on that.

[5:53 PM] Nanako: i like garnascus, i ythink you should try to be more like him

[5:53 PM] Nanako: he generally lets things slide unless someone has a problem with it

[5:53 PM] Lord Raven VII: Coolio, Post that on my mod app so you don't look like your just trying to list the negatves, ill take your feedback :P

[5:57 PM] Nanako: i dont have the time, i really should have gone to bed two hours ago. You're welcome to post/use this chatlog if you like though

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"Lord Raven VII: The letter of the law is how people convict other people."


The trouble is that moderators are not out to convict people. They're managing a roleplaying community, which requires an entirely different philosophy. I'm not sure the stress and contrary philosophy of your real work leaves you suited for this office, as we have seen a number of instances where you edit or walk back responses because of "a stressful day". Furthermore this office requires excellent communications skills, because it is nothing but speaking the English language to other people. If English is an obstacle for your communication then we will constantly face miscommunication.


I don't see this working out well in the long run.

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"Lord Raven VII: The letter of the law is how people convict other people."


The trouble is that moderators are not out to convict people. They're managing a roleplaying community, which requires an entirely different philosophy. I'm not sure the stress and contrary philosophy of your real work leaves you suited for this office, as we have seen a number of instances where you edit or walk back responses because of "a stressful day". Furthermore this office requires excellent communications skills, because it is nothing but speaking the English language to other people. If English is an obstacle for your communication then we will constantly face miscommunication.


I don't see this working out well in the long run.

 

Yes, That is one of the main points I am working on with my mentor, And I continue to work on every day with one to two hours of english schooling,

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You seem pretty reasonable, i'm happy to support your continued moderatorship as long as you can lighten up a bit.


Now this is a personal opinion, i can't speak for administrative policy but:

I'd say, if a rule being bent or slightly broken doesn't hurt anyone, then it probably doesn't need to be punished. The role of a moderator isn't to act as an automated enforcer of the law, or to convict/punish/give justice to anyone, a moderator is there to ensure people continue having fun, and to remove those whose fun is affecting others fun (and breaking the rules, just being a jerk isnt illegal)

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